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This post shows how deluded and out of touch with reality you are. Addressing all the errors here would take too long, but...I know some of you are old enough to remember the liberalism of the 1960s. So you remember a time when:
1) Liberals believed the First Amendment was absolute and people should be able to say what they want regardless of how offensive it was. Now conservatives hold that opinion.
2) Liberals believed in the goal of a race-blind society, where someone would be judged on his character rather than skin color. Now conservaitves believe that.
3) Liberals believed in individual freedom to decide important issues without government interference. Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in an America that was engaged in the world and a force for good, helping those oppressed by communist dictatorships find their freedom.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in the press as the Fourth Estate, whose role was to inform the people and act as a check on a government.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in a genderless society where women were hired on the basis of their qualifications alone.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in the ideal of free and fair elections that were by the rules and above board beyond reproach.
Now conservatives believe that.
For most of the old time liberals, they didnt leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left them.
1) Absolute?Hardly. Read opinions of liberal Justices
2) Misreading of MLK, using one sentence in one speech. geeze!
3) The Right Wing Culture Wars belie this
could go on but...
As usual some general statements not backed up by facts. That's a big ole fail.
Translation: I've been pwned.This post shows how deluded and out of touch with reality you are. Addressing all the errors here would take too long, but...
1) Absolute?
2) Misreading of MLK, using one sentence in one speech. geeze!
3) The Right Wing Culture Wars belie this
could go on but...
As usual some general statements not backed up by facts. That's a big ole fail.
I'll meet your faulty logic and raise you two facts out of context
Translation: I've been pwned.As usual some general statements not backed up by facts. That's a big ole fail.
I'll meet your faulty logic and raise you two facts out of context
Yes, you have, Dainty.
What is conservatism? In my opinion, it is respect for the past and the wisdom of our ancestors. Their lives were built on their ancestors and so it goes, from one generation to the next. You ultimately respect their lives and toil not by paying lip service to it or using empty rhetoric like 'family values'. You do it by embracing those values. You do it by making their hard earned lessons your easy learned lessons. You do it by respecting and fighting for the policies and programs they crafted that increased the benefits and lessened the losses to our communities and our society.
How did our ancestors craft these policies and programs, were they based on some ideology? I believe they were based on common decency, respect for your neighbors, common sense, experience, trial and error and a strong sense of community.
I was raised in the 1950's. My dad was the sole provider, and my mom was a housewife and mother. We didn't call it 'family values', we called it family. When I came home from school, no matter what kind of day I had, it became brighter as soon as I walked in the door to a 'hi honey' from my mom. It not only brightened my day, it built self worth and a positive self image. All my friends and school mates had a similar story...a father that worked and a mother that stayed home to raise and nurture their children. None of us kids ever knew or even cared what anyone else's father did for a living. None of us had to go without; food, clothing, pets, bikes, baseball gloves, doctor care (our doctor used to come to the house), a quality public education with all the extras; sports, arts, school run ice rink, summer swimming and sports programs etc. But none of us were pampered or spoiled either.
THAT is exactly what I want for my kids and for my grand-kids.
So...In a very real way I AM truly a conservative.
So, what is conservatism? I don't hear people that call themselves conservatives talk that way or think that way. I don't hear talk of building, I hear talk of tearing down. I don't hear talk of a helping hand, I hear talk of letting them fail. I don't hear talk of the public good, I hear talk about me and mine. I don't hear compassion for fellow citizens, I hear disdain. I never hear them talk about human capital, just mammon. These so called conservatives are ideologues that want to dismantle any shred of community and replace it with SELF interest.
That is not 'conservatism', that is called narcissism.
"You shall rise in the presence of grey hairs, give honor to the aged, and fear God, I am the Lord"
Leviticus 19:32
What is conservatism? In my opinion, it is respect for the past and the wisdom of our ancestors. Their lives were built on their ancestors and so it goes, from one generation to the next. You ultimately respect their lives and toil not by paying lip service to it or using empty rhetoric like 'family values'. You do it by embracing those values. You do it by making their hard earned lessons your easy learned lessons. You do it by respecting and fighting for the policies and programs they crafted that increased the benefits and lessened the losses to our communities and our society.
How did our ancestors craft these policies and programs, were they based on some ideology? I believe they were based on common decency, respect for your neighbors, common sense, experience, trial and error and a strong sense of community.
I was raised in the 1950's. My dad was the sole provider, and my mom was a housewife and mother. We didn't call it 'family values', we called it family. When I came home from school, no matter what kind of day I had, it became brighter as soon as I walked in the door to a 'hi honey' from my mom. It not only brightened my day, it built self worth and a positive self image. All my friends and school mates had a similar story...a father that worked and a mother that stayed home to raise and nurture their children. None of us kids ever knew or even cared what anyone else's father did for a living. None of us had to go without; food, clothing, pets, bikes, baseball gloves, doctor care (our doctor used to come to the house), a quality public education with all the extras; sports, arts, school run ice rink, summer swimming and sports programs etc. But none of us were pampered or spoiled either.
THAT is exactly what I want for my kids and for my grand-kids.
So...In a very real way I AM truly a conservative.
So, what is conservatism? I don't hear people that call themselves conservatives talk that way or think that way. I don't hear talk of building, I hear talk of tearing down. I don't hear talk of a helping hand, I hear talk of letting them fail. I don't hear talk of the public good, I hear talk about me and mine. I don't hear compassion for fellow citizens, I hear disdain. I never hear them talk about human capital, just mammon. These so called conservatives are ideologues that want to dismantle any shred of community and replace it with SELF interest.
That is not 'conservatism', that is called narcissism.
"You shall rise in the presence of grey hairs, give honor to the aged, and fear God, I am the Lord"
Leviticus 19:32
Agreed. Especially the belief in "a race-blind society, where someone would be judged on his character rather than skin color." No Wrongpublican EVER believed this before President Obama took office and shattered the racial barriers in America forever.
President Obama's mere existence cured 80% of racists of their brain-crippled disorder. Fact.
Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
-- Ronald Reagan
He was talking about you.
Prove it.
What is conservatism? In my opinion, it is respect for the past and the wisdom of our ancestors. Their lives were built on their ancestors and so it goes, from one generation to the next. You ultimately respect their lives and toil not by paying lip service to it or using empty rhetoric like 'family values'. You do it by embracing those values. You do it by making their hard earned lessons your easy learned lessons. You do it by respecting and fighting for the policies and programs they crafted that increased the benefits and lessened the losses to our communities and our society.
How did our ancestors craft these policies and programs, were they based on some ideology? I believe they were based on common decency, respect for your neighbors, common sense, experience, trial and error and a strong sense of community.
I was raised in the 1950's. My dad was the sole provider, and my mom was a housewife and mother. We didn't call it 'family values', we called it family. When I came home from school, no matter what kind of day I had, it became brighter as soon as I walked in the door to a 'hi honey' from my mom. It not only brightened my day, it built self worth and a positive self image. All my friends and school mates had a similar story...a father that worked and a mother that stayed home to raise and nurture their children. None of us kids ever knew or even cared what anyone else's father did for a living. None of us had to go without; food, clothing, pets, bikes, baseball gloves, doctor care (our doctor used to come to the house), a quality public education with all the extras; sports, arts, school run ice rink, summer swimming and sports programs etc. But none of us were pampered or spoiled either.
THAT is exactly what I want for my kids and for my grand-kids.
So...In a very real way I AM truly a conservative.
So, what is conservatism? I don't hear people that call themselves conservatives talk that way or think that way. I don't hear talk of building, I hear talk of tearing down. I don't hear talk of a helping hand, I hear talk of letting them fail. I don't hear talk of the public good, I hear talk about me and mine. I don't hear compassion for fellow citizens, I hear disdain. I never hear them talk about human capital, just mammon. These so called conservatives are ideologues that want to dismantle any shred of community and replace it with SELF interest.
That is not 'conservatism', that is called narcissism.
"You shall rise in the presence of grey hairs, give honor to the aged, and fear God, I am the Lord"
Leviticus 19:32
Wow, straw man argument if there ever was one. First you define conservativsm based on what you think, and then criticize others for not being conservative. Way to go.
What is conservatism? In my opinion, it is respect for the past and the wisdom of our ancestors. Their lives were built on their ancestors and so it goes, from one generation to the next. You ultimately respect their lives and toil not by paying lip service to it or using empty rhetoric like 'family values'. You do it by embracing those values. You do it by making their hard earned lessons your easy learned lessons. You do it by respecting and fighting for the policies and programs they crafted that increased the benefits and lessened the losses to our communities and our society.
How did our ancestors craft these policies and programs, were they based on some ideology? I believe they were based on common decency, respect for your neighbors, common sense, experience, trial and error and a strong sense of community.
I was raised in the 1950's. My dad was the sole provider, and my mom was a housewife and mother. We didn't call it 'family values', we called it family. When I came home from school, no matter what kind of day I had, it became brighter as soon as I walked in the door to a 'hi honey' from my mom. It not only brightened my day, it built self worth and a positive self image. All my friends and school mates had a similar story...a father that worked and a mother that stayed home to raise and nurture their children. None of us kids ever knew or even cared what anyone else's father did for a living. None of us had to go without; food, clothing, pets, bikes, baseball gloves, doctor care (our doctor used to come to the house), a quality public education with all the extras; sports, arts, school run ice rink, summer swimming and sports programs etc. But none of us were pampered or spoiled either.
THAT is exactly what I want for my kids and for my grand-kids.
So...In a very real way I AM truly a conservative.
So, what is conservatism? I don't hear people that call themselves conservatives talk that way or think that way. I don't hear talk of building, I hear talk of tearing down. I don't hear talk of a helping hand, I hear talk of letting them fail. I don't hear talk of the public good, I hear talk about me and mine. I don't hear compassion for fellow citizens, I hear disdain. I never hear them talk about human capital, just mammon. These so called conservatives are ideologues that want to dismantle any shred of community and replace it with SELF interest.
That is not 'conservatism', that is called narcissism.
"You shall rise in the presence of grey hairs, give honor to the aged, and fear God, I am the Lord"
Leviticus 19:32
Wow, straw man argument if there ever was one. First you define conservativsm based on what you think, and then criticize others for not being conservative. Way to go.
You really are an idiot. If I said black, you would argue white.
It is not a strawman, I used the classic definition of conservatism:
conservatism
: belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society
: dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
World English Dictionary
2. a political philosophy advocating the preservation of the best of the established order in society and opposing radical change
What is conservatism? In my opinion, it is respect for the past and the wisdom of our ancestors. Their lives were built on their ancestors and so it goes, from one generation to the next. You ultimately respect their lives and toil not by paying lip service to it or using empty rhetoric like 'family values'. You do it by embracing those values. You do it by making their hard earned lessons your easy learned lessons. You do it by respecting and fighting for the policies and programs they crafted that increased the benefits and lessened the losses to our communities and our society.
How did our ancestors craft these policies and programs, were they based on some ideology? I believe they were based on common decency, respect for your neighbors, common sense, experience, trial and error and a strong sense of community.
I was raised in the 1950's. My dad was the sole provider, and my mom was a housewife and mother. We didn't call it 'family values', we called it family. When I came home from school, no matter what kind of day I had, it became brighter as soon as I walked in the door to a 'hi honey' from my mom. It not only brightened my day, it built self worth and a positive self image. All my friends and school mates had a similar story...a father that worked and a mother that stayed home to raise and nurture their children. None of us kids ever knew or even cared what anyone else's father did for a living. None of us had to go without; food, clothing, pets, bikes, baseball gloves, doctor care (our doctor used to come to the house), a quality public education with all the extras; sports, arts, school run ice rink, summer swimming and sports programs etc. But none of us were pampered or spoiled either.
THAT is exactly what I want for my kids and for my grand-kids.
So...In a very real way I AM truly a conservative.
So, what is conservatism? I don't hear people that call themselves conservatives talk that way or think that way. I don't hear talk of building, I hear talk of tearing down. I don't hear talk of a helping hand, I hear talk of letting them fail. I don't hear talk of the public good, I hear talk about me and mine. I don't hear compassion for fellow citizens, I hear disdain. I never hear them talk about human capital, just mammon. These so called conservatives are ideologues that want to dismantle any shred of community and replace it with SELF interest.
That is not 'conservatism', that is called narcissism.
"You shall rise in the presence of grey hairs, give honor to the aged, and fear God, I am the Lord"
Leviticus 19:32
Wow, straw man argument if there ever was one. First you define conservativsm based on what you think, and then criticize others for not being conservative. Way to go.
You really are an idiot. If I said black, you would argue white.
It is not a strawman, I used the classic definition of conservatism:
conservatism
: belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society
: dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
World English Dictionary
2. a political philosophy advocating the preservation of the best of the established order in society and opposing radical change
Wow, straw man argument if there ever was one. First you define conservativsm based on what you think, and then criticize others for not being conservative. Way to go.
You really are an idiot. If I said black, you would argue white.
It is not a strawman, I used the classic definition of conservatism:
conservatism
: belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society
: dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
World English Dictionary
2. a political philosophy advocating the preservation of the best of the established order in society and opposing radical change
i think the problem is that he is confusing not only liberal and conservative but is pretending that reactionary regressive behavior is somehow liberal.
but then again, it's not like we can expect more from him
Wow, straw man argument if there ever was one. First you define conservativsm based on what you think, and then criticize others for not being conservative. Way to go.
You really are an idiot. If I said black, you would argue white.
It is not a strawman, I used the classic definition of conservatism:
conservatism
: belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society
: dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
World English Dictionary
2. a political philosophy advocating the preservation of the best of the established order in society and opposing radical change
It was a complete strawman. Conservatives vary so there is no one definition. Just for starters. Secondly, today's conservatives are yesterday's liberals. Which was the point of this thread, in case you missed something else.
Translation: I've been pwned.As usual some general statements not backed up by facts. That's a big ole fail.
I'll meet your faulty logic and raise you two facts out of context
Yes, you have, Dainty.
Nothing is more curious than the almost savage hostility that humor excites in those who lack it.Agreed. Especially the belief in "a race-blind society, where someone would be judged on his character rather than skin color." No Wrongpublican EVER believed this before President Obama took office and shattered the racial barriers in America forever.
President Obama's mere existence cured 80% of racists of their brain-crippled disorder. Fact.
Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
-- Ronald Reagan
He was talking about you.
Prove it.
I know you'll have trouble comprehending this simple fact, but not all conservatives agree with each other. We don't insist on groupthink and rigid lockstep. We're not progressives.Someone utterly unable to form his own opinions probably shouldn't be telling other people what they believe.And conservatives began believing all that at the exact same moment...amazing!
Before that...CRICKETS...
I argued with plenty of 'new conservatives' when Bush was in office. NONE of them were calling for less government. These are the very same 'less government' conservatives who gave us the 'patriot act and fatherland security.
Remember Obama comparing himself to Reagan?I know some of you are old enough to remember the liberalism of the 1960s. So you remember a time when:
Liberals believed the First Amendment was absolute and people should be able to say what they want regardless of how offensive it was.
Now conservatives hold that opinion.
Liberals believed in the goal of a race-blind society, where someone would be judged on his character rather than skin color.
Now conservaitves believe that.
Liberals believed in individual freedom to decide important issues without government interference.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in an America that was engaged in the world and a force for good, helping those oppressed by communist dictatorships find their freedom.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in the press as the Fourth Estate, whose role was to inform the people and act as a check on a government.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in a genderless society where women were hired on the basis of their qualifications alone.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in the ideal of free and fair elections that were by the rules and above board beyond reproach.
Now conservatives believe that.
For most of the old time liberals, they didnt leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left them.
Don't worry...
When "progressive" returns to being the epithet it should be, bed wetters will disassociate themselves from that.
If being "conservative" ever becomes trendy, count of the bed wetters to hijack that term.
The far right has never believed and never will in a race blind society.
If they did, they would have no reason to exist.
Look at Pete wetting his bed nightly because America is changing forever, renouncing the America of the 1950s.
So have liberals. You don't believe in liberty any more.Conservatives criticize Liberals, and then try to act as if they are Liberals. In their hearts, they must know that we are right.
You've missed the entire point.
Today's conservatives are what liberals used to be.
Today's liberals are what Stalinists used to be.
Yes, the world changes, as did Conservatives.
It's projection from the left.Yes, the world changes, as did Conservatives.
OK so you admit I am correct.
Next.
Why are Conservatives no longer Liberal? Where did the hatred come from?
You are not entitled to your own reality.I know some of you are old enough to remember the liberalism of the 1960s. So you remember a time when:
Liberals believed the First Amendment was absolute and people should be able to say what they want regardless of how offensive it was.
Now conservatives hold that opinion.
Liberals believed in the goal of a race-blind society, where someone would be judged on his character rather than skin color.
Now conservaitves believe that.
Liberals believed in individual freedom to decide important issues without government interference.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in an America that was engaged in the world and a force for good, helping those oppressed by communist dictatorships find their freedom.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in the press as the Fourth Estate, whose role was to inform the people and act as a check on a government.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in a genderless society where women were hired on the basis of their qualifications alone.
Now conservatives believe that.
Liberals believed in the ideal of free and fair elections that were by the rules and above board beyond reproach.
Now conservatives believe that.
For most of the old time liberals, they didnt leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left them.
I knew you folks would start monkeying around with this word as soon as you discovered that Conservatives had no part in creating this country.
No..you guys are NOT Liberals.
