Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

[IM2]

History? Lefties have no idea of history. Democrats used the KKK as political muscle to intimidate Blacks during the 20th century. Democrats voted against the Civil Rights act. President Roosevelt authorized the incarceration of Americans without due process and appointed a KKK member to the Supreme Court who wrote the decision that justified his actions. Truman (illegally) sent Troops to Korea on an executive order and bungled the mission so badly that it turned into a three year meat grinding quagmire that ate up anywhere from 35,000 to 50,000 Americans depending on which list you use. JFK used the CIA to illegally raise, train and equip an illegal invasion army and then abandoned them at the Bay of Pigs. LBJ sent Troops to Vietnam on a fake crisis and set the rules so that we could win every battle and still lose the war. Jimmy Carter made such wrong economic decisions that the media created a "misery index".

I know his much about history:

“The lily-white movement was an all-white faction of the Republican Party in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It battled and usually defeated the biracial element called the Black-and-tan faction.


During Reconstruction, following the U.S. Civil War, black leaders in Texas and around the country gained increasing influence in the Republican Party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative whites attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party. The effort was largely successful in eliminating African-American influence in the Republican Party leading to black voters predominantly migrating to the Democratic Party for much of the 20th century.


The term lily-white movement was coined by Texas Republican leader Norris Wright Cuney, who used the term in an 1888 Republican convention to describe efforts by white conservatives to oust blacks from positions of Texas party leadership and incite riots to divide the party.[1] The term came to be used nationally to describe this ongoing movement as it further developed in the 20th century,[2] including through the administration of Herbert Hoover. Localized movements began immediately after the war but by the beginning of the 20th century the effort had become national.”


“This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.”

Michael K. Fauntroy - Republicans and the Black vote​

we get it, you hate white people.....for something that never happened to you....wait to keep the hate alive

The standard dumb white republican response when they get shown a truth they can't fuck with.

OBTW, don't celebrate the fourth of July next week. That didn't happen to you.

 

[buckeye45_73]

History? Lefties have no idea of history. Democrats used the KKK as political muscle to intimidate Blacks during the 20th century. Democrats voted against the Civil Rights act. President Roosevelt authorized the incarceration of Americans without due process and appointed a KKK member to the Supreme Court who wrote the decision that justified his actions. Truman (illegally) sent Troops to Korea on an executive order and bungled the mission so badly that it turned into a three year meat grinding quagmire that ate up anywhere from 35,000 to 50,000 Americans depending on which list you use. JFK used the CIA to illegally raise, train and equip an illegal invasion army and then abandoned them at the Bay of Pigs. LBJ sent Troops to Vietnam on a fake crisis and set the rules so that we could win every battle and still lose the war. Jimmy Carter made such wrong economic decisions that the media created a "misery index".

I know his much about history:

“The lily-white movement was an all-white faction of the Republican Party in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It battled and usually defeated the biracial element called the Black-and-tan faction.


During Reconstruction, following the U.S. Civil War, black leaders in Texas and around the country gained increasing influence in the Republican Party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative whites attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party. The effort was largely successful in eliminating African-American influence in the Republican Party leading to black voters predominantly migrating to the Democratic Party for much of the 20th century.


The term lily-white movement was coined by Texas Republican leader Norris Wright Cuney, who used the term in an 1888 Republican convention to describe efforts by white conservatives to oust blacks from positions of Texas party leadership and incite riots to divide the party.[1] The term came to be used nationally to describe this ongoing movement as it further developed in the 20th century,[2] including through the administration of Herbert Hoover. Localized movements began immediately after the war but by the beginning of the 20th century the effort had become national.”


“This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.”

Michael K. Fauntroy - Republicans and the Black vote​

we get it, you hate white people.....for something that never happened to you....wait to keep the hate alive

The standard dumb white republican response when they get shown a truth they can't fuck with.

OBTW, don't celebrate the fourth of July next week. That didn't happen to you.

Sorry Bob Taft was the conservative and was great on civil rights, same with Eisenhower, the switch is a complete lie.
We weren't for jim crow and we're not for affirmative action.....we're consistent.....but you guys swing back and forth on which race you'll hate.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

And yet the left was the party of slavery and segregation.

 

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

You know by about now all that is played out. It's dead. This ain't 1860 and Lincoln, who you guys try using to make your party what it's not, was a racist.

It's not played out its historical fact and I bet you belive people like LBJ weren't racist

It's played out. Lincoln was a racist but you guys brag all the time about him endling slavery hoping you can fool enough blacks to vote republikkkan.

But Johnson signed the voting rights act and the civil rights act. And that's historical fact also.

 

[IM2]

History? Lefties have no idea of history. Democrats used the KKK as political muscle to intimidate Blacks during the 20th century. Democrats voted against the Civil Rights act. President Roosevelt authorized the incarceration of Americans without due process and appointed a KKK member to the Supreme Court who wrote the decision that justified his actions. Truman (illegally) sent Troops to Korea on an executive order and bungled the mission so badly that it turned into a three year meat grinding quagmire that ate up anywhere from 35,000 to 50,000 Americans depending on which list you use. JFK used the CIA to illegally raise, train and equip an illegal invasion army and then abandoned them at the Bay of Pigs. LBJ sent Troops to Vietnam on a fake crisis and set the rules so that we could win every battle and still lose the war. Jimmy Carter made such wrong economic decisions that the media created a "misery index".

I know his much about history:

“The lily-white movement was an all-white faction of the Republican Party in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It battled and usually defeated the biracial element called the Black-and-tan faction.


During Reconstruction, following the U.S. Civil War, black leaders in Texas and around the country gained increasing influence in the Republican Party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative whites attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party. The effort was largely successful in eliminating African-American influence in the Republican Party leading to black voters predominantly migrating to the Democratic Party for much of the 20th century.


The term lily-white movement was coined by Texas Republican leader Norris Wright Cuney, who used the term in an 1888 Republican convention to describe efforts by white conservatives to oust blacks from positions of Texas party leadership and incite riots to divide the party.[1] The term came to be used nationally to describe this ongoing movement as it further developed in the 20th century,[2] including through the administration of Herbert Hoover. Localized movements began immediately after the war but by the beginning of the 20th century the effort had become national.”


“This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.”

Michael K. Fauntroy - Republicans and the Black vote​

we get it, you hate white people.....for something that never happened to you....wait to keep the hate alive

The standard dumb white republican response when they get shown a truth they can't fuck with.

OBTW, don't celebrate the fourth of July next week. That didn't happen to you.

Sorry Bob Taft was the conservative and was great on civil rights, same with Eisenhower, the switch is a complete lie.
We weren't for jim crow and we're not for affirmative action.....we're consistent.....but you guys swing back and forth on which race you'll hate.

Lie to yourself but don't try lying to me.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

You know by about now all that is played out. It's dead. This ain't 1860 and Lincoln, who you guys try using to make your party what it's not, was a racist.

It's not played out its historical fact and I bet you belive people like LBJ weren't racist

It's played out. Lincoln was a racist but you guys brag all the time about him endling slavery hoping you can fool enough blacks to vote republikkkan.

But Johnson signed the voting rights act and the civil rights act. And that's historical fact also.

But Johnson and the majority of Democrats voted against every prior Civil Rights acts. Republicans overwhelmingly voted for them.

 

[buckeye45_73]

History? Lefties have no idea of history. Democrats used the KKK as political muscle to intimidate Blacks during the 20th century. Democrats voted against the Civil Rights act. President Roosevelt authorized the incarceration of Americans without due process and appointed a KKK member to the Supreme Court who wrote the decision that justified his actions. Truman (illegally) sent Troops to Korea on an executive order and bungled the mission so badly that it turned into a three year meat grinding quagmire that ate up anywhere from 35,000 to 50,000 Americans depending on which list you use. JFK used the CIA to illegally raise, train and equip an illegal invasion army and then abandoned them at the Bay of Pigs. LBJ sent Troops to Vietnam on a fake crisis and set the rules so that we could win every battle and still lose the war. Jimmy Carter made such wrong economic decisions that the media created a "misery index".

I know his much about history:

“The lily-white movement was an all-white faction of the Republican Party in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It battled and usually defeated the biracial element called the Black-and-tan faction.


During Reconstruction, following the U.S. Civil War, black leaders in Texas and around the country gained increasing influence in the Republican Party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative whites attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party. The effort was largely successful in eliminating African-American influence in the Republican Party leading to black voters predominantly migrating to the Democratic Party for much of the 20th century.


The term lily-white movement was coined by Texas Republican leader Norris Wright Cuney, who used the term in an 1888 Republican convention to describe efforts by white conservatives to oust blacks from positions of Texas party leadership and incite riots to divide the party.[1] The term came to be used nationally to describe this ongoing movement as it further developed in the 20th century,[2] including through the administration of Herbert Hoover. Localized movements began immediately after the war but by the beginning of the 20th century the effort had become national.”


“This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.”

Michael K. Fauntroy - Republicans and the Black vote​

we get it, you hate white people.....for something that never happened to you....wait to keep the hate alive

The standard dumb white republican response when they get shown a truth they can't fuck with.

OBTW, don't celebrate the fourth of July next week. That didn't happen to you.

Sorry Bob Taft was the conservative and was great on civil rights, same with Eisenhower, the switch is a complete lie.
We weren't for jim crow and we're not for affirmative action.....we're consistent.....but you guys swing back and forth on which race you'll hate.

Lie to yourself but don't try lying to me.

Dude you're so full of hate, I'm not trying to convince you, there is no way of doing that.......just keep on hating whitey.

 

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

And yet the left was the party of slavery and segregation.

Both parties were.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

And yet the left was the party of slavery and segregation.

Both parties were.

No, the left championed slavery and segregation. They have been trying to whitewash their sordid history for decades.

 

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

You know by about now all that is played out. It's dead. This ain't 1860 and Lincoln, who you guys try using to make your party what it's not, was a racist.

It's not played out its historical fact and I bet you belive people like LBJ weren't racist

It's played out. Lincoln was a racist but you guys brag all the time about him endling slavery hoping you can fool enough blacks to vote republikkkan.

But Johnson signed the voting rights act and the civil rights act. And that's historical fact also.

But Johnson and the majority of Democrats voted against every prior Civil Rights acts. Republicans overwhelmingly voted for them.

Your argument is disingenuous. The south at that time was majority democrat. Today its majority republican. How did that happen? Today you guys rant about the northeast liberals, but they were republicans at that time. Now they are democrats. How did that happen? You don't know your history son.

 

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

And yet the left was the party of slavery and segregation.

Both parties were.

No, the left championed slavery and segregation. They have been trying to whitewash their sordid history for decades.

Nope. You are trying to whitewash the racism of todays republican party by making disingenuous claims about the past.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

History? Lefties have no idea of history. Democrats used the KKK as political muscle to intimidate Blacks during the 20th century. Democrats voted against the Civil Rights act. President Roosevelt authorized the incarceration of Americans without due process and appointed a KKK member to the Supreme Court who wrote the decision that justified his actions. Truman (illegally) sent Troops to Korea on an executive order and bungled the mission so badly that it turned into a three year meat grinding quagmire that ate up anywhere from 35,000 to 50,000 Americans depending on which list you use. JFK used the CIA to illegally raise, train and equip an illegal invasion army and then abandoned them at the Bay of Pigs. LBJ sent Troops to Vietnam on a fake crisis and set the rules so that we could win every battle and still lose the war. Jimmy Carter made such wrong economic decisions that the media created a "misery index".

I know his much about history:

“The lily-white movement was an all-white faction of the Republican Party in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It battled and usually defeated the biracial element called the Black-and-tan faction.


During Reconstruction, following the U.S. Civil War, black leaders in Texas and around the country gained increasing influence in the Republican Party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative whites attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party. The effort was largely successful in eliminating African-American influence in the Republican Party leading to black voters predominantly migrating to the Democratic Party for much of the 20th century.


The term lily-white movement was coined by Texas Republican leader Norris Wright Cuney, who used the term in an 1888 Republican convention to describe efforts by white conservatives to oust blacks from positions of Texas party leadership and incite riots to divide the party.[1] The term came to be used nationally to describe this ongoing movement as it further developed in the early 20th century,[2] including through the administration of Herbert Hoover. Localized movements began immediately after the war but by the beginning of the 20th century the effort had become national.”


“This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.”

Michael K. Fauntroy - Republicans and the Black vote​

Wow, 4 paragraphs (more like 2 1/2), I'm sure someone will be impressed with how much history you know.

Especially when that history refutes bullshit right-wing talking points.

 

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Leftists however, are the king of being wrong. That's why they are attempting to remove the word "wrong" from their ideology. Everything is upside down.

IM thinks that just because Blacks by far can't make it under Conservative Policies that said policies are "failures". The problem he and his "brothas" have is that Conservative Policies demand self discipline and hard work.

You stupid son of a bitch, blacks have worked harder and have had more discipline that any other group. Bitch we worked 24-7 for free for over 200 years. How much discipline did it take for blacks to fight overt white racism with non violence? Your pink ass couldn't do it. Stop talking about things your white ass has no clue about. Whites are the laziest most undisciplined group here. And when we consider all of what the government has given whites, people like you need to keep your mouths shut. Conservative policies fail because they suck. They are not based in reality.

So handouts and purposefully being kept dependent on the teat of the Gov. is how you think you are being best served. U ever talked about this or that individual in the black community as being an "Uncle Tom"... Examine their work ethic, their spirit in the face of adversity... Seems to me you could learn a lot from their example! Quite frankly, in a Nation where you can get an Associates even Bachelors degree for free, if you are hard working and unable to pay, you would do well to STFU and pour your energy into bettering yourself and others! It is quite obvious that you are well invested in your mantra of bitterness and hate.

The dumb is strong amongst conservatives. So are the idiotic assumptions. STFU.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

No you don't, you have no clue.
None what so ever.
For the conservatives were racist and backed jim crow (a staple myth of you lefties)
Just tell me the last time a democrat was more conservative than the republican in a presidential race......

Conservatives didn't back Jim Crow laws?

Oh in 68, one could argue George Wallace was the most conservative candidate -- even if he was a Democrat.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

But Johnson and the majority of Democrats voted against every prior Civil Rights acts. Republicans overwhelmingly voted for them.

Until LBJ whipped enough votes to pass it -- now one party is more on the record for pushing policies to gut both the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts -- which party is that? or better yet, which political ideology is that?

 

[tigerred59]

According to the right, all a president has to do to spur growth is to show up, like Trump.

It worked for Obama....

According to the right, all a president has to do to spur growth is to show up, like Trump.

Growth works better if you're not trying to strangle it.
What was Obama's average growth in GDP?

Would he have had more growth if he added even more regulations?
What about cap & trade? Would that have given him a year of +3%?

GDP rose slightly more under Obama than Bush and a bit less than Trump so far.

Your point is?

GDP rose slightly more under Obama than Bush

Despite $9.3 trillion in new debt and all those new jobs we got "slightly more"?
Weird, Obama must have done something wrong.

Maybe you talk to congress about that. After that, face the truth of the depression this nation was facing that Obama saved us from. He handed Trump a healthy economy at full employment with jobs already being made.

After that, face the truth of the depression this nation was facing that Obama saved us from.

Obama sure was magic.
It seems like the depression went away only months after he took office.
Magic!!

He sure gave us a crappy recovery though...…...

That crappy recovery stemmed from our refusal to raise wages and despite all the hoopla around this economy, wages are still an issue. Corporate america has been sitting on trillions of dollars in profits since Obama and with this latest tax break, even more profits and still no concession on raising wages.

 

[tigerred59]

No you don't, you have no clue.
None what so ever.
For the conservatives were racist and backed jim crow (a staple myth of you lefties)
Just tell me the last time a democrat was more conservative than the republican in a presidential race......

Conservatives didn't back Jim Crow laws?

Oh in 68, one could argue George Wallace was the most conservative candidate -- even if he was a Democrat.

Hitler was a socialist democrat also.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

You know by about now all that is played out. It's dead. This ain't 1860 and Lincoln, who you guys try using to make your party what it's not, was a racist.

It's not played out its historical fact and I bet you belive people like LBJ weren't racist

It's played out. Lincoln was a racist but you guys brag all the time about him endling slavery hoping you can fool enough blacks to vote republikkkan.

But Johnson signed the voting rights act and the civil rights act. And that's historical fact also.

But Johnson and the majority of Democrats voted against every prior Civil Rights acts. Republicans overwhelmingly voted for them.

Your argument is disingenuous. The south at that time was majority democrat. Today its majority republican. How did that happen? Today you guys rant about the northeast liberals, but they were republicans at that time. Now they are democrats. How did that happen? You don't know your history son.

The South is no longer the hotbed of racism it was when Democrats were the majority. The switch started because of economics not racism.
The Myth of Republican Racism | National Review

 

[tigerred59]

You know by about now all that is played out. It's dead. This ain't 1860 and Lincoln, who you guys try using to make your party what it's not, was a racist.

It's not played out its historical fact and I bet you belive people like LBJ weren't racist

It's played out. Lincoln was a racist but you guys brag all the time about him endling slavery hoping you can fool enough blacks to vote republikkkan.

But Johnson signed the voting rights act and the civil rights act. And that's historical fact also.

But Johnson and the majority of Democrats voted against every prior Civil Rights acts. Republicans overwhelmingly voted for them.

Your argument is disingenuous. The south at that time was majority democrat. Today its majority republican. How did that happen? Today you guys rant about the northeast liberals, but they were republicans at that time. Now they are democrats. How did that happen? You don't know your history son.

The South is no longer the hotbed of racism it was when Democrats were the majority. The switch started because of economics not racism.
The Myth of Republican Racism | National Review

As long as we got white mops trampling after sorry ass negro men, racism regardless of its demographics will be prevalent in this country....just ask a 30 year old white virgin male

 

[IM2]

You know by about now all that is played out. It's dead. This ain't 1860 and Lincoln, who you guys try using to make your party what it's not, was a racist.

It's not played out its historical fact and I bet you belive people like LBJ weren't racist

It's played out. Lincoln was a racist but you guys brag all the time about him endling slavery hoping you can fool enough blacks to vote republikkkan.

But Johnson signed the voting rights act and the civil rights act. And that's historical fact also.

But Johnson and the majority of Democrats voted against every prior Civil Rights acts. Republicans overwhelmingly voted for them.

Your argument is disingenuous. The south at that time was majority democrat. Today its majority republican. How did that happen? Today you guys rant about the northeast liberals, but they were republicans at that time. Now they are democrats. How did that happen? You don't know your history son.

The South is no longer the hotbed of racism it was when Democrats were the majority. The switch started because of economics not racism.
The Myth of Republican Racism | National Review

The same democrats are now republicans. The switch started because of racism. There is no myth only reality. Donald Trump is the leader of the republican party. The base that controls the party are racists.