Conservatives say Obama is like Neville Chamberlain. They said the same about Reagan.

[Jroc]

Once again, Reagan-love has clouded the memories of conservatives who just can't remember anything negative about Hollywood's most famous B actor. But at the time, conservatives were very critical of The Gipper and didn't think he was very conservative at all!

Are conservatives dishonest, or do they just name-call anyone whom they disagree with?

Conservatives say Obama is like Neville Chamberlain. They said the same about Reagan.


The accused: Neville Chamberlain
Who: Neville Chamberlain, prime minister of the United Kingdom from 1937 to 1940.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Was in fact Neville Chamberlain.
Accuracy of accusations: Very accurate.

Chamberlain famously tried, unsuccessfully, to avert war by appeasing Hitler with the Munich Agreement. That agreement gave Hitler the Sudetenland, a large chunk of Czechoslovakia. The plan failed spectacularly: Hitler was not satisfied with the Sudetenland, and soon invaded Poland.



The accused: Ronald Reagan
Who: Ronald Reagan, 40th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Negotiated with the Soviet Union.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.

Reagan is now the patron saint of the American right. But during his presidency he was accused of Chamberlain-style appeasement because of his negotiations with the Soviet Union. In 1985 Reagan met with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at the Geneva Summit, where the two leaders discussed the arms race, the Strategic Defense Initiative (the anti-ballistic missile system also known as "Star Wars"), and human rights. Newt Gingrich called the meeting ''the most dangerous summit for the West since Adolf Hitler met with Chamberlain in 1938 at Munich."

And in 1988, Conservative Caucus Chair Howard Phillips ran an ad that compared Reagan signing the INF arms-control treaty with the Soviet Union to Chamberlain signing the Munich Agreement with Hitler in 1938. "Appeasement Is As Unwise In 1988 As In 1938," said the ad, which showed pictures of Chamberlain, Hitler, Reagan and Gorbachev.

The accusations against Reagan are a clear reminder that the frequent cries of "Munich! Munich! Muuuniccccchhhh!" in American politics aren't really about appeasement: they're just code for "negotiation with dictators we don't like."



The accused: Barack Obama
Who: Barack Obama, 44th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Willingness to hold talks with Iran.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.​

Obama's willingness to negotiate with Iran, as well as with other hostile regimes around the world, has led to a steady stream of Chamberlain comparisons since before he even became president. In 2008, then-President Bush gave a speech in Israel that was a thinly veiled attack on Obama, who at the time was a US senator and presidential candidate, and had argued that the US should hold direct talks with countries like Iran and Syria.​

"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said in the speech. "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.'"


Get it? A SENATOR? Just like ANOTHER SENATOR WE KNOW?


(Bush's speech also prompted the famously uncomfortable Hardball segment in which conservative radio host Kevin James criticized Obama for being like Neville Chamberlain, but turned out not to have any idea what Chamberlain had actually done.)


The Munich comparisons started cropping up again as the nuclear negotiations with Iran progressed. In 2013, Gingrich said the Iran negotiations were "the Munich of the Middle East,"and that "This is not a negotiation, this is a surrender to the Iranian dictatorship."


And just last week, Republican Senator Mark Kirk compared the negotiations over Iran's nuclear program to Chamberlain's negotiations with Hitler, telling Politico that Chamberlain "got more out of Hitler at Munich" than the Obama administration's negotiators had gotten out of Iran.

Somebody namedHoward said reagan was Chamberlain and you're holding the rest of us to account for his statement? Nonsense. I've never said or thought that. Now, every conservative alive knows Obama Hussein is pulling a Neville Chamberlain.

Also, someone named Newt.

You know what's funny one the most fervent Israel haters on the board posts as if he has concern for Israel

I don't hate Israel. I just don't see them as any more important than any other ally, and a lot less important than some.

But I'm not an Israel-Firster like you, pledging allegiance to another country while enjoying the protection and comfort and safety of America.

Shut up ....you support Obama's weakening of our country globally ...the only thing you really support is leftism

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Unlike Obama, Reagan built up our mitary he negotiated from a position of strength. Obama is the opposite of Ronald Reagan

Reagan also refused to kow-tow to the Zionists at every occassion, and actually favored Islamic Allies over Israel.

But you guys like to forget that.

Lol Reagan kept Iran and Saddam busy fighting each other

really? You should let the Iranians and Iraqis know this myth

 

[Jroc]

Unlike Obama, Reagan built up our mitary he negotiated from a position of strength. Obama is the opposite of Ronald Reagan

Reagan also refused to kow-tow to the Zionists at every occassion, and actually favored Islamic Allies over Israel.

But you guys like to forget that.

Lol Reagan kept Iran and Saddam busy fighting each other

So why would Bush want to help Iran by deposing Saddam?

Because that's exactly what he did, and now Obama has to clean up yet another Republican fuckup.

Yeah by confounding isis

 

[jasonnfree]

Obama spent most of his first term on a non-stop worldwide apology tour. He traded half a dozen enemy generals for an AWOL private. He insulted our only ally in the Mid-East and now he is trying to authorize nuclear weapons technology for a country that chants "death to America". Reagan said "Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall" and it happened. Who is more like Chamberlain?

Obama in his first term was able to both vacation and fix the economy the repubs left us. bush was able to vacation for a whole month and allow 9-11 to happen on his watch. All in one year .

 

[Jroc]

Obama spent most of his first term on a non-stop worldwide apology tour. He traded half a dozen enemy generals for an AWOL private. He insulted our only ally in the Mid-East and now he is trying to authorize nuclear weapons technology for a country that chants "death to America". Reagan said "Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall" and it happened. Who is more like Chamberlain?

Obama in his first term was able to both vacation and fix the economy the repubs left us. bush was able to vacation for a whole month and allow 9-11 to happen on his watch. All in one year .

Its not good to stray in your Mommy's basement posting as if you actually know something

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Obama spent most of his first term on a non-stop worldwide apology tour. ...

At least President Obama spent most of his second term preparing to qualify for the PGA Tour.

.

As opposed to Reagan, who spent most of his second term engaging in criminal activity with Iran, our sworn enemy, and then forgetting all about it. Literally.

Or Bush, who spent most of his second term fucking up the response to Katrina, trying to get his cleaning lady appointed to SCOTUS, selling our ports to the Arabs, and crashing the economy.

There must be a place called the United States on Mars because you people don't know shit about our history.

 

[jasonnfree]

Obama spent most of his first term on a non-stop worldwide apology tour. He traded half a dozen enemy generals for an AWOL private. He insulted our only ally in the Mid-East and now he is trying to authorize nuclear weapons technology for a country that chants "death to America". Reagan said "Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall" and it happened. Who is more like Chamberlain?

Obama in his first term was able to both vacation and fix the economy the repubs left us. bush was able to vacation for a whole month and allow 9-11 to happen on his watch. All in one year .

Its not good to stray in your Mommy's basement posting as if you actually know something

But what I said was true, you have no intelligent response so you do the mom's basement routine.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Obama spent most of his first term on a non-stop worldwide apology tour. ...

At least President Obama spent most of his second term preparing to qualify for the PGA Tour.

.

As opposed to Reagan, who spent most of his second term engaging in criminal activity with Iran, our sworn enemy, and then forgetting all about it. Literally.

Or Bush, who spent most of his second term fucking up the response to Katrina, trying to get his cleaning lady appointed to SCOTUS, selling our ports to the Arabs, and crashing the economy.

There must be a place called the United States on Mars because you people don't know shit about our history.

Oh the irony! The irony.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Once again, Reagan-love has clouded the memories of conservatives who just can't remember anything negative about Hollywood's most famous B actor. But at the time, conservatives were very critical of The Gipper and didn't think he was very conservative at all!

Are conservatives dishonest, or do they just name-call anyone whom they disagree with?

Conservatives say Obama is like Neville Chamberlain. They said the same about Reagan.


The accused: Neville Chamberlain
Who: Neville Chamberlain, prime minister of the United Kingdom from 1937 to 1940.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Was in fact Neville Chamberlain.
Accuracy of accusations: Very accurate.

Chamberlain famously tried, unsuccessfully, to avert war by appeasing Hitler with the Munich Agreement. That agreement gave Hitler the Sudetenland, a large chunk of Czechoslovakia. The plan failed spectacularly: Hitler was not satisfied with the Sudetenland, and soon invaded Poland.



The accused: Ronald Reagan
Who: Ronald Reagan, 40th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Negotiated with the Soviet Union.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.

Reagan is now the patron saint of the American right. But during his presidency he was accused of Chamberlain-style appeasement because of his negotiations with the Soviet Union. In 1985 Reagan met with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at the Geneva Summit, where the two leaders discussed the arms race, the Strategic Defense Initiative (the anti-ballistic missile system also known as "Star Wars"), and human rights. Newt Gingrich called the meeting ''the most dangerous summit for the West since Adolf Hitler met with Chamberlain in 1938 at Munich."

And in 1988, Conservative Caucus Chair Howard Phillips ran an ad that compared Reagan signing the INF arms-control treaty with the Soviet Union to Chamberlain signing the Munich Agreement with Hitler in 1938. "Appeasement Is As Unwise In 1988 As In 1938," said the ad, which showed pictures of Chamberlain, Hitler, Reagan and Gorbachev.

The accusations against Reagan are a clear reminder that the frequent cries of "Munich! Munich! Muuuniccccchhhh!" in American politics aren't really about appeasement: they're just code for "negotiation with dictators we don't like."



The accused: Barack Obama
Who: Barack Obama, 44th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Willingness to hold talks with Iran.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.​

Obama's willingness to negotiate with Iran, as well as with other hostile regimes around the world, has led to a steady stream of Chamberlain comparisons since before he even became president. In 2008, then-President Bush gave a speech in Israel that was a thinly veiled attack on Obama, who at the time was a US senator and presidential candidate, and had argued that the US should hold direct talks with countries like Iran and Syria.​

"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said in the speech. "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.'"


Get it? A SENATOR? Just like ANOTHER SENATOR WE KNOW?


(Bush's speech also prompted the famously uncomfortable Hardball segment in which conservative radio host Kevin James criticized Obama for being like Neville Chamberlain, but turned out not to have any idea what Chamberlain had actually done.)


The Munich comparisons started cropping up again as the nuclear negotiations with Iran progressed. In 2013, Gingrich said the Iran negotiations were "the Munich of the Middle East,"and that "This is not a negotiation, this is a surrender to the Iranian dictatorship."


And just last week, Republican Senator Mark Kirk compared the negotiations over Iran's nuclear program to Chamberlain's negotiations with Hitler, telling Politico that Chamberlain "got more out of Hitler at Munich" than the Obama administration's negotiators had gotten out of Iran.

Somebody namedHoward said reagan was Chamberlain and you're holding the rest of us to account for his statement? Nonsense. I've never said or thought that. Now, every conservative alive knows Obama Hussein is pulling a Neville Chamberlain.

Also, someone named Newt.

You know what's funny one the most fervent Israel haters on the board posts as if he has concern for Israel

. Jake?

 

[jasonnfree]

Obama spent most of his first term on a non-stop worldwide apology tour. ...

At least President Obama spent most of his second term preparing to qualify for the PGA Tour.

.

As opposed to Reagan, who spent most of his second term engaging in criminal activity with Iran, our sworn enemy, and then forgetting all about it. Literally.

Or Bush, who spent most of his second term fucking up the response to Katrina, trying to get his cleaning lady appointed to SCOTUS, selling our ports to the Arabs, and crashing the economy.

There must be a place called the United States on Mars because you people don't know shit about our history.

Another inability to come up with a decent response to an intelligent post. No wonder republicans have to field all these whacko candidates for office.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Obama spent most of his first term on a non-stop worldwide apology tour. He traded half a dozen enemy generals for an AWOL private. He insulted our only ally in the Mid-East and now he is trying to authorize nuclear weapons technology for a country that chants "death to America". Reagan said "Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall" and it happened. Who is more like Chamberlain?

Obama in his first term was able to both vacation and fix the economy the repubs left us. bush was able to vacation for a whole month and allow 9-11 to happen on his watch. All in one year .

Obama "fixed" the economy alright. 10.5% unemployment. Poor and middle class falling behind the rich. 18 trillion in debt now and rising.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Obama spent most of his first term on a non-stop worldwide apology tour. ...

At least President Obama spent most of his second term preparing to qualify for the PGA Tour.

.

As opposed to Reagan, who spent most of his second term engaging in criminal activity with Iran, our sworn enemy, and then forgetting all about it. Literally.

Or Bush, who spent most of his second term fucking up the response to Katrina, trying to get his cleaning lady appointed to SCOTUS, selling our ports to the Arabs, and crashing the economy.

There must be a place called the United States on Mars because you people don't know shit about our history.

Another inability to come up with a decent response to an intelligent post. No wonder republicans have to field all these whacko candidates for office.

That was an appropriate response to that ack of lies. Bush was out in front of Katrina. The fucking mayor and governor dropped the ball.

 

[Avatar4321]

The difference between accusations against Reagan and Obama:

Reagan ended a global conflict

Obama is starting one.

 

[HUGGY]

Once again, Reagan-love has clouded the memories of conservatives who just can't remember anything negative about Hollywood's most famous B actor. But at the time, conservatives were very critical of The Gipper and didn't think he was very conservative at all!

Are conservatives dishonest, or do they just name-call anyone whom they disagree with?

Conservatives say Obama is like Neville Chamberlain. They said the same about Reagan.


The accused: Neville Chamberlain
Who: Neville Chamberlain, prime minister of the United Kingdom from 1937 to 1940.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Was in fact Neville Chamberlain.
Accuracy of accusations: Very accurate.

Chamberlain famously tried, unsuccessfully, to avert war by appeasing Hitler with the Munich Agreement. That agreement gave Hitler the Sudetenland, a large chunk of Czechoslovakia. The plan failed spectacularly: Hitler was not satisfied with the Sudetenland, and soon invaded Poland.



The accused: Ronald Reagan
Who: Ronald Reagan, 40th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Negotiated with the Soviet Union.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.

Reagan is now the patron saint of the American right. But during his presidency he was accused of Chamberlain-style appeasement because of his negotiations with the Soviet Union. In 1985 Reagan met with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at the Geneva Summit, where the two leaders discussed the arms race, the Strategic Defense Initiative (the anti-ballistic missile system also known as "Star Wars"), and human rights. Newt Gingrich called the meeting ''the most dangerous summit for the West since Adolf Hitler met with Chamberlain in 1938 at Munich."

And in 1988, Conservative Caucus Chair Howard Phillips ran an ad that compared Reagan signing the INF arms-control treaty with the Soviet Union to Chamberlain signing the Munich Agreement with Hitler in 1938. "Appeasement Is As Unwise In 1988 As In 1938," said the ad, which showed pictures of Chamberlain, Hitler, Reagan and Gorbachev.

The accusations against Reagan are a clear reminder that the frequent cries of "Munich! Munich! Muuuniccccchhhh!" in American politics aren't really about appeasement: they're just code for "negotiation with dictators we don't like."



The accused: Barack Obama
Who: Barack Obama, 44th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Willingness to hold talks with Iran.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.​

Obama's willingness to negotiate with Iran, as well as with other hostile regimes around the world, has led to a steady stream of Chamberlain comparisons since before he even became president. In 2008, then-President Bush gave a speech in Israel that was a thinly veiled attack on Obama, who at the time was a US senator and presidential candidate, and had argued that the US should hold direct talks with countries like Iran and Syria.​

"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said in the speech. "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.'"


Get it? A SENATOR? Just like ANOTHER SENATOR WE KNOW?


(Bush's speech also prompted the famously uncomfortable Hardball segment in which conservative radio host Kevin James criticized Obama for being like Neville Chamberlain, but turned out not to have any idea what Chamberlain had actually done.)


The Munich comparisons started cropping up again as the nuclear negotiations with Iran progressed. In 2013, Gingrich said the Iran negotiations were "the Munich of the Middle East,"and that "This is not a negotiation, this is a surrender to the Iranian dictatorship."


And just last week, Republican Senator Mark Kirk compared the negotiations over Iran's nuclear program to Chamberlain's negotiations with Hitler, telling Politico that Chamberlain "got more out of Hitler at Munich" than the Obama administration's negotiators had gotten out of Iran.

Was Chamberlain a senile old fool also?

 

[Meathead]

Reagan's accomplishment meant are legendary and a matter of historical record. Something more intangible is that after a series of failed presidencies, begining witer, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and ending in Carter, Reagan was a breath of fresh air and where he went out to change America, he changed the world.

Best damn president anyone alive today has ever seen.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They told us Saddam was the next Hitler too.

So why do you continue to support Democrats after they lied to you like that?

Because Republicans started the war.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan's accomplishment meant are legendary and a matter of historical record. Something more intangible is that after a series of failed presidencies, begining witer, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and ending in Carter, Reagan was a breath of fresh air and where he went out to change America, he changed the world.

Best damn president anyone alive today has ever seen.

Reagan's only meaningful accomplishment was saving Social Security.

 

[The Rabbi]

They told us Saddam was the next Hitler too.

So why do you continue to support Democrats after they lied to you like that?

Because Republicans started the war.

Democrats voted for it in Congress.
Do you sit up nights thinking of stupid things to post here or is it spontaneous?

 

[JoeB131]

Mainly because he is best known for signing the Munich Agreement with Adoplh Hitler in Sepetember of 1938 which gave part of Czechoslovakia to Germany in exchange for Germany taking no further aggressive action in Europe. The problem was by September of 1939 Hitler tossed the agreement and invaded Poland and the second World War in Europe began when a western leader is compared to Chamberlian it's because they either have made a bad deal with tyrant or it's believed they are in the process of making one.

The Munich Agreement didn't apply to anything but the Sudetenland. One could even argue that Chamberlain giving a blank check to the Polish Colonel's Regime over Danzig probably threw Hitler and Stalin into an alliance that started the war.

 

[JoeB131]

It's easy to forget fiction.

I remember when Reagan sold AWACs and F-15 to the Saudis, and the Zionists whined like little bitches.

I remember when Reagan went to the Germany Military Cemetery at Bittburg, and the Zionists whined like little bitches because there were a handful of SS Soldiers buried there.

Sadly, that's before the GOP became a wholly owned subsidiary of the Zionist Lobby.