Cop shoots dead Licensed Conceal Carry holder (MN)

[Papageorgio]

My observation

1. The victim did nothing wrong and the traffic stop was hardly warranted
2. The officer overreacted to a black man having a gun (which he was legally entitled to have) and fired in a panic
3. After the shooting, the girlfriend remained calm while the cop was hysterical
4. The officer will not be charged with murder, he will claim he thought the man was reaching for his gun
5. The officer will be relieved of duty for failing to follow proper procedure
6. The city will settle out of court

Well the camera started rolling after the shooting so how do you know what happened before the driver was shot?
From what I surmise the driver told the cop he had a gun then reached behind his back
Licensed to carry or not if you tell a cop you have a gun on you you'd better keep your hands in plain sight at all times

This is where the he said she said comes into play

Trivial traffic stop for a tail light. Man with girlfriend and young child in the car. I see a woman who is calmly recounting what happened while it is fresh in her mind and an officer who is hysterical and repeatedly swearing Fuck....fuck...Fuck

A driver is entitled to reach for his wallet when asked to do so. The officer will say he told him to hold still, the woman will claim he asked for his license

If the officer was carrying a camera and video, there would be no such questions

His career is over, but he will not be prosecuted

I am thinking this story is not over and I think there will be an investigation. I also think he will be prosecuted because of the publicity.

Have to see if the cops have their own video

If it plays out exactly like the girlfriend reported, there could be manslaughter. But cops are usually given the benefit of the doubt in these cases

You may be right but I am not so sure. When a member of congress gets involved, it puts added pressure on the prosecution to push charges.

 

[rightwinger]

It's also now being reported that the man in Baton Rouge was not armed. Initial lies (reports), claimed that he was.

He was selling CDs

 

[paulitician]

Baton Rouge Cops execute Citizen...

 

[Divine Wind]

Baton Rouge Cops execute Citizen...

Translation: Black men need to start executing cops.

You really need some help, fella. Do you know the #1 killer of black males age 15-34? Is it 1) cops, 2) aliens from Mars or 3) other black males age 15-34?

 

[paulitician]

Baton Rouge Cops execute Citizen...

Translation: Black men need to start executing cops.

You really need some help, fella. Do you know the #1 killer of black males age 15-34? Is it 1) cops, 2) aliens from Mars or 3) other black males age 15-34?

You didn't watch the video.

 

[rightwinger]

From the guys girlfriend...

Reynolds said he kept it in a thick wallet in a right-back pants pocket.

"As he's reaching, he lets the officer know, 'I have a firearm on me,'" Reynolds said. "I begin to yell, 'But he's licensed to carry.' After that, he began to take off shots — bup bup bup."

Reynolds said that "nothing in (Castile's) body said intimidation," but the officer ordered him, "Don't move, don't move."



If the guy is reaching for his wallet and says "I have a firearm on me" it could be mistaken as a statement he is reaching for a gun

 

[paulitician]

From the guys girlfriend...

Reynolds said he kept it in a thick wallet in a right-back pants pocket.

"As he's reaching, he lets the officer know, 'I have a firearm on me,'" Reynolds said. "I begin to yell, 'But he's licensed to carry.' After that, he began to take off shots — bup bup bup."

Reynolds said that "nothing in (Castile's) body said intimidation," but the officer ordered him, "Don't move, don't move."



If the guy is reaching for his wallet and says "I have a firearm on me" it could be mistaken as a statement he is reaching for a gun

He was ordered to produce ID. You don't follow the order, you die. You follow the order, you die. He didn't stand a chance. He was a black man, he had to go. The tail light probably wasn't even broken. The woman has said it wasn't.

 

[charwin95]

Anyone else find it odd how calm she was? Is it me?

Tragedy and it sure seems like an over zealous asshole cop.

I guess BLM did not consider the ramifications of chanting, "we want dead cops!!!"

Then, how many cops have been shot by blacks over the last two years?

Not a contributor to these paranoid cops?

No eh?

More obamerica consequences.

Let me get this right.

You're casting a shadow on the passenger because she was calm? Something fishy there

Cop was not wrong just "overzealous"

You make a sidebar about cops being shot in a thread about a cop shooting a citizen...?

Blames Paranoia....not overzealousness anymore

Blame Obama for the cops actions

I was not insinuating anything you stupid piece of race baiting shit.

I just think it is a little odd that she was so calm. I guess it is just me you patronizing left wing racist asshole.

Oh, and keep on thinking how those rallies where they chanted for dead cops does not contribute to very paranoid cops.

How many cops have been shot and killed by blacks over the last two years?

You moron

That's mighty of you to justify how other people react during a tragedy.
I've witness a mother screaming at his dead son who just got run over blaming him for playing in the street.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Completely disgusting.

This is a new low for America.
How does a stop for a broken tail light escalate so quickly into this?
How does the officer open fire on the driver with a woman and child in the car?

I think what I find the most disturbing is how calm the woman is. She seemed not surprised at all with the outcome even taking the time to live stream on facebook. This is now almost to be expected by black folks in America.

This one has my guts churning.

Just obey the fucking law . be moral and decent to the cops stupid fucks

And they just might drive you home.


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You have evidence that this man wasn't?

Pretty sure the cop didnt just walk up to the guy and shoot him.
He obviously did something stupid.

Did he or did the cop do something stupid?
How did a stop for a broken tail light escalate to the driver being shot four times before a license was even produced?

Because the guy obviously did something stupid.

 

[Divine Wind]

You didn't watch the video.

Ahhh, so you are not only a racist cop-hater, but a fucking liar who claims be clairvoyant.

Alton Sterling had previously pulled a gun on the homeless guy who called 911. Although this morning's news didn't give all the details of the event, the video isn't the only evidence of what happened.

Still, it's sad when anyone is killed.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

From the guys girlfriend...

Reynolds said he kept it in a thick wallet in a right-back pants pocket.

"As he's reaching, he lets the officer know, 'I have a firearm on me,'" Reynolds said. "I begin to yell, 'But he's licensed to carry.' After that, he began to take off shots — bup bup bup."

Reynolds said that "nothing in (Castile's) body said intimidation," but the officer ordered him, "Don't move, don't move."



If the guy is reaching for his wallet and says "I have a firearm on me" it could be mistaken as a statement he is reaching for a gun

He was ordered to produce ID. You don't follow the order, you die. You follow the order, you die. He didn't stand a chance. He was a black man, he had to go. The tail light probably wasn't even broken. The woman has said it wasn't.

Some how I doubt the story is quite that simple

 

[paulitician]

You didn't watch the video.

Ahhh, so you are not only a racist cop-hater, but a fucking liar who claims be clairvoyant.

Alton Sterling had previously pulled a gun on the homeless guy who called 911. Although this morning's news didn't give all the details of the event, the video isn't the only evidence of what happened.

Still, it's sad when anyone is killed.

Watch the video. It was a horrific execution.

 

[Papageorgio]

From the guys girlfriend...

Reynolds said he kept it in a thick wallet in a right-back pants pocket.

"As he's reaching, he lets the officer know, 'I have a firearm on me,'" Reynolds said. "I begin to yell, 'But he's licensed to carry.' After that, he began to take off shots — bup bup bup."

Reynolds said that "nothing in (Castile's) body said intimidation," but the officer ordered him, "Don't move, don't move."



If the guy is reaching for his wallet and says "I have a firearm on me" it could be mistaken as a statement he is reaching for a gun

I agree. The lack of communication or the timing of him telling the officer he had a weapon as he reached for his wallet would have been a very bad move. However did the officer need to use deadly force? He seemed to be in control of the situation and maybe only needed to draw the gun.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Let's see, a guy tells you he's armed then reaches behind his back

how do you feel?

He wouldn't tell the officer he was armed if he intended to use it. Would he?

Not an assumption you want to make is it?

I don't know. Is it better than your assumptions?

Not in my opinion

Guy tells me he's carrying then reaches behind him I'm going to err on the side of safety and not stand there waiting to see if he pulls a gun

Probably why you'll never be a cop.

And you'd never make past your first shift as one if you're just going to stand there when a person you know is armed reaches behind him

 

[Fair&Balanced]

The sad fact is our police forces have been weakened by mandated hiring quotas. We absolutely have people enforcing the law who should not be police officers.

Plus, when are blacks going to figure out that fighting with police ends with a dirt nap?

 

[paulitician]

He wouldn't tell the officer he was armed if he intended to use it. Would he?

Not an assumption you want to make is it?

I don't know. Is it better than your assumptions?

Not in my opinion

Guy tells me he's carrying then reaches behind him I'm going to err on the side of safety and not stand there waiting to see if he pulls a gun

Probably why you'll never be a cop.

And you'd never make past your first shift as one if you're just going to stand there when a person you know is armed reaches behind him

He was following the law. Concealed Carry permit holders are required to tell the officer about the firearm. The mongoloid cop overreacted and executed the man. He should be held accountable. But i doubt it'll happen.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Not an assumption you want to make is it?

I don't know. Is it better than your assumptions?

Not in my opinion

Guy tells me he's carrying then reaches behind him I'm going to err on the side of safety and not stand there waiting to see if he pulls a gun

Probably why you'll never be a cop.

And you'd never make past your first shift as one if you're just going to stand there when a person you know is armed reaches behind him

He was following the law. Concealed Carry permit holders are required to tell the officer about the firearm. The mongoloid cop overreacted and executed the man. He should be held accountable. But i doubt it'll happen.

Actually, in MN a concealed carry permit is NOT required to transport a weapon in your car, as long as it is unloaded, and you are under NO obligation to inform a police officer that you have a weapon in your car UNLESS he specifically asks (usually prior to a search) in other words, if you have a gun under your seat and you get pulled over for speeding. just take your ticket and go on, no need to mention the gun.

NO ONE believes the guy had his wallet under his seat though, come on.....

No judgement on the shooting yet. It looks bad for the officer, but it's still early

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Completely disgusting.

This is a new low for America.
How does a stop for a broken tail light escalate so quickly into this?
How does the officer open fire on the driver with a woman and child in the car?

I think what I find the most disturbing is how calm the woman is. She seemed not surprised at all with the outcome even taking the time to live stream on facebook. This is now almost to be expected by black folks in America.

This one has my guts churning.

Just obey the fucking law . be moral and decent to the cops stupid fucks

And they just might drive you home.


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You have evidence that this man wasn't?

Pretty sure the cop didnt just walk up to the guy and shoot him.
He obviously did something stupid.

Did he or did the cop do something stupid?
How did a stop for a broken tail light escalate to the driver being shot four times before a license was even produced?

Because the guy obviously did something stupid.

You're right. The cop acted stupidly.

 

[paulitician]

My guess is, this started out as just another racist cop fishing expedition. They were looking to 'justify' taking this man to jail for something. He died because he was a black man. I know most white people won't accept that, but it is the ugly reality.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

My guess is, this started out as just another racist cop fishing expedition. They were looking to 'justify' taking this man to jail for something. He died because he was a black man. I know most white people won't accept that, but it is the ugly reality.

No doubt it is a reality, for a very small minority of cops.