Colin norris
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Catholics do not worship Mary.
Catholics do not believe Mary is, or ever was, part of the Trinity.
And there's no evidence whatsoever she was a virgin after having 6 children.
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Catholics do not worship Mary.
Catholics do not believe Mary is, or ever was, part of the Trinity.
So you don't think shared ancient celebration dates can't translate to shared dates on the new calendars because?lol rubbish. They used a modern calendar back then, before there even was a 'December'? lol that's rich.
The goal should always be to get what the authors intended. No matter what that might be.Ultimately, what you get out of the bible is justification for what you already decided to believe. No matter what that might be.
I personally care what the author meant, but in many cases, that is unknown, and undiscoverable. I personally know sweet little grey haired ladies who would shank you and leave you in an alley to die if you tried to tell them they misunderstood a passage in their bible.The goal should always be to get what the authors intended. No matter what that might be.
I suspect it's how you go about it.I personally care what the author meant, but in many cases, that is unknown, and undiscoverable. I personally know sweet little grey haired ladies who would shank you and leave you in an alley to die if you tried to tell them they misunderstood a passage in their bible.
The Trinity is a man made, definitive term that tries to define the existence of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
However, the trinity is not didactic in nature nor should it be used to define what is and isn't orthodox since it is never mentioned in scriptures.
Right... Sure. But the relationship between the three was never anything that believers were to wrestle with to this degree. And this is the problem I have with the Trinity. Allow the term to exist as a way to introduce and discuss the relationship, but understanding how or why the relationships exists was never a tenet of salvation.It's merely aspects of one God, and nothing complex. God sends his avatar, a 'son of man', figuratively, Jesus, to deliver the New Covenant personally; the 'Holy Spirit' is the force that touches those who are saved personally and acts on an individual level throughtout the body of believers, just as church is a single entity made up of several or many thousands of beleivers. Simplistic answer but roughly true without posting a book long exegesis on the concept; there are many of those out there already.
Right... Sure. But the relationship between the three was never anything that believers were to wrestle with to this degree. And this is the problem I have with the Trinity. Allow the term to exist as a way to introduce and discuss the relationship, but understanding how or why the relationships exists was never a tenet of salvation.
Just put another trinity on top of that upside down and you've got yourself a bright yellow star of David there, Mister, because you've been watching the Da Vinci Code instead of reading the Bible.problem is:
The original trinity was father/mother/son, the church used the mystery religions mother son devotion and idols.
Then it became Father, word, son until it became Father, Holy Spirit, Son.
The Moon Goddess?
Isa 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus is God. The Holy Ghost is God, as it says in Acts 5.
Know it.
Live it.
1 problem is:
The original trinity was father/mother/son, the church used the mystery religions mother son devotion and idols.
Then it became Father, word, son until it became Father, Holy Spirit, Son.
The problem with that is when Daniel has his vision, he did not claim to be the messenger giving the message, nor be claimed one with- but a part of that messenger. Nor did any prophet claim or be claimed a duality or trinity they just were Oracles of the message.
Most damaging is Rev 1:13 Jesus is claimed
"like unto" son of man. Like unto: emulation, impersonation of son of man.
problem 2; counting is off
Their early writings say;
"God will give you another with a new name", so thats a 4th portion not 3, and really 5 since they never recognized the the body-face of the first return.
That passage is not about Jesus. Isaiah is writing about Cyrus the Great.
BwahahhahhahahHAH HAH HAH !!