Covid isn't killing me. The governments reaction to it is.

[citygator]

If masks and lockdowns work why are we supposedly seeing spike number 3 all around the world?

If seatbelts work how come people die in car crashes?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If masks and lockdowns work why are we supposedly seeing spike number 3 all around the world?

If seatbelts work how come people die in car crashes?

No, you're subtly trying to move the goalposts. We were told that masks would stop the transmission yet CA has been in full mask and the numbers are off the charts rising.

 

[citygator]

The National all causes death numbers have not moved

Every single death tracking tool shows the same thing... excess deaths in 2020. Again.. are you retarded?

 

[Hellbilly]

We were told that masks would stop the transmission

Perhaps you were told that.
I was told that wearing a mask, social distancing, avoiding crowds, washing your hands, taking your temperature ALTOGETHER would HELP in the spread of Covid-19

 

[citygator]

If masks and lockdowns work why are we supposedly seeing spike number 3 all around the world?

If seatbelts work how come people die in car crashes?

No, you're subtly trying to move the goalposts. We were told that masks would stop the transmission yet CA has been in full mask and the numbers are off the charts rising.

Goalposts? You left the stadium. Link to a statement that masks would STOP transmission. You can’t. Masks reduce the likelihood of transmission as does social distancing. Reducing is not the same thing as eliminating. Unabated spread would be much worse. What are you even debating??

The fact is certain sectors of the economy are screwed until people feel they aren’t taking risks. Just like vacationing in Afghanistan isn’t illegal there just isn’t a large demand to go to unsafe places.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We were told that masks would stop the transmission

Perhaps you were told that.
I was told that wearing a mask, social distancing, avoiding crowds, washing your hands, taking your temperature ALTOGETHER would HELP in the spread of Covid-19

Yeah, fauci and the other brood of idiots said that........before they didn't say that. Anyway, I don't listen to them since they're pushing the liberal agenda.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If masks and lockdowns work why are we supposedly seeing spike number 3 all around the world?

If seatbelts work how come people die in car crashes?

No, you're subtly trying to move the goalposts. We were told that masks would stop the transmission yet CA has been in full mask and the numbers are off the charts rising.

Goalposts? You left the stadium. Link to a statement that masks would STOP transmission. You can’t. Masks reduce the likelihood of transmission as does social distancing. Reducing is not the same thing as eliminating. Unabated spread would be much worse. What are you even debating??

The fact is certain sectors of the economy are screwed until people feel they aren’t taking risks. Just like vacationing in Afghanistan isn’t illegal there just isn’t a large demand to go to unsafe places.

They already are masked up in CA and have been and yet the transmission continues to rise. You have no idea of what you're talking about other than pushing the liberal agenda. Bow down to your lib masters because that's all you know. Lol.

 

[Hellbilly]

Yeah, fauci and the other brood of idiots said that........before they didn't say that. Anyway, I don't listen to them since they're pushing the liberal agenda.

What makes you think Dr. Fauci was my only source of information?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The danger to business is spreading virus not the mandates to address it. People are choosing not to go out.

There is nothing closed in my Democratic Governor state of NC. We can pretty much do whatever. There are mask rules and capacity rules. I’ve seen very few restrictions impact business but I’ve seen businesses impacted because people are CHOOSING not to partake in riskier behavior.

Yea Cracker Barrel has less seating which impacts them on the weekend. Yes a small restaurant with about 7 tables is closing til they can open all 7. But the vast majority of everything is open except where low demand is killing them. Went to a bar the other day and waited for my sushi. There wasnt a wait nor was the bar crowded like it used to be... all cuz of customers not going out.

The danger to business is spreading virus not the mandates

Most folks want to live and not endanger their vulnerable relatives by contracting and spreading disease.

That means taking sensible precautions that include avoiding more risky venues until they no longer present a danger.

People exhibiting common sense until there have been sufficient vaccinations to eliminate the threat is a prudent reaction.

Don't go to the grocery store then

Spoken like a low information Trump voter. People are at grocery more actually rather than less since they aren’t going out. Are you retarded?

You call Republicans low information voters while supporting a party who wants to lower the voting age to 16.

How does that logic work?

 

[colfax_m]

If masks and lockdowns work why are we supposedly seeing spike number 3 all around the world?

If seatbelts work how come people die in car crashes?

No, you're subtly trying to move the goalposts. We were told that masks would stop the transmission yet CA has been in full mask and the numbers are off the charts rising.

Did they actually tell you that masks would stop the transmission or are you just making that up?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They have done a good job at putting the fear of God himself into people.

99%+ survivability and they have us locked down as if the Walking Dead were roaming the streets.
By this point we COULD have had herd immunity but instead we fucked around long enough to give the virus time to adapt and mutate.
Would more have died up to this point? Likely so
Would more have been saved in the long run by preventing suicides/overdoses and all the other social bullshit that the government has IMPOSED ON US? Likely so as well.

And now we're likely to get round 2 of the government mandates thanks to their own ineptitude.

And don't give me that herd immunity is not an answer bullshit because since the vaccine became a reality that's all they've talked about.

Instead we're gonna have a "Biden" response to it if the new strains make it here.

God help us

So what are you prepared to do about it, Gramps? That is the real question everyone wants answered—but not necessarily with words.

I am an ex convict. I have to give an ID to buy bullets for my kids so what are my odds of getting a gun to defend my rights with?
My opportunities long passed me by because of my own mistakes.
I guess I could walk into home depot without a mask but that gets me fuck all of nothing.

I am an ex convict. I have to give an ID to buy bullets for my kids so what are my odds of getting a gun to defend my rights with?
My opportunities long passed me by because of my own mistakes.
I guess I could walk into home depot without a mask but that gets me fuck all of nothing.

Hope you saved one of those bullets for yourself.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They have done a good job at putting the fear of God himself into people.

99%+ survivability and they have us locked down as if the Walking Dead were roaming the streets.
By this point we COULD have had herd immunity but instead we fucked around long enough to give the virus time to adapt and mutate.
Would more have died up to this point? Likely so
Would more have been saved in the long run by preventing suicides/overdoses and all the other social bullshit that the government has IMPOSED ON US? Likely so as well.

And now we're likely to get round 2 of the government mandates thanks to their own ineptitude.

And don't give me that herd immunity is not an answer bullshit because since the vaccine became a reality that's all they've talked about.

Instead we're gonna have a "Biden" response to it if the new strains make it here.

God help us

Was there something you wanted to do this year, that you did not get to do? "The government" made your life a living hell, or did you just hear how bad it was for other people? Only thing I missed out on was a couple of traveling vacations, which I did not skip for the government. I skipped because I did not want to take unnecessary risks moving to beach condos, or flying. Imagine, all that public misery and I didn't get to participate.

There has only been 2 years in my adult life where I could not put back the necessary winter nest egg required in my line of work. Obviously the first was a result of the 2008 crash. This winter is a DIRECT result of government mandates and the fear it put in the public. I was mid project when this shit started and the customer halted all work. To this day that project has not been finished. The 3 jobs on the schedule after that also canceled. Then after months of unnecessary shit downs I got to start back up only to have the unified government of KC shut shit down AGAIN. Now they are talking about yet more forced closures.

And just to come full circle I still have not recovered from the first shut down. Caught back up yes. Saved for the normal winter construction blues? Not a chance

There has only been 2 years in my adult life where I could not put back the necessary winter nest egg required in my line of work. Obviously the first was a result of the 2008 crash. This winter is a DIRECT result of government mandates and the fear it put in the public. I was mid project when this shit started and the customer halted all work. To this day that project has not been finished. The 3 jobs on the schedule after that also canceled. Then after months of unnecessary shit downs I got to start back up only to have the unified government of KC shut shit down AGAIN. Now they are talking about yet more forced closures.

And just to come full circle I still have not recovered from the first shut down. Caught back up yes. Saved for the normal winter construction blues? Not a chance

How many lives do you demand to satisfy your uninterrupted prosperity?

Who of yours are you willing to sacrifice for others’ prosperity?

 

[schmidlap]

You call Republicans low information voters while supporting a party who wants to lower the voting age to 16.

How does that logic work?

Your two fallacies fail.

The pretense that age = informed is unsupported by evidence.

The Democratic-led House rejected a proposal to let 16-year-olds vote in federal elections

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The government's position is "EVEN ONE COVID DEATH IS TOO MANY!!!" That sounds all noble and shit except when you realize the 10s of thousands of shutdown related deaths and millions more in misery don't mean a thing to them.

That tends to happen during times of crisis.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

They have done a good job at putting the fear of God himself into people.

99%+ survivability and they have us locked down as if the Walking Dead were roaming the streets.
By this point we COULD have had herd immunity but instead we fucked around long enough to give the virus time to adapt and mutate.
Would more have died up to this point? Likely so
Would more have been saved in the long run by preventing suicides/overdoses and all the other social bullshit that the government has IMPOSED ON US? Likely so as well.

And now we're likely to get round 2 of the government mandates thanks to their own ineptitude.

And don't give me that herd immunity is not an answer bullshit because since the vaccine became a reality that's all they've talked about.

Instead we're gonna have a "Biden" response to it if the new strains make it here.

God help us

The new strains are less harmful.
Politicians are more harmful.
Biden has sworn an EO for 3 month mask mandate; I don't know if that is constitutional.

It is not. It's not even scientifically valid.

 

[JWBooth]

They have done a good job at putting the fear of God himself into people.

99%+ survivability and they have us locked down as if the Walking Dead were roaming the streets.
By this point we COULD have had herd immunity but instead we fucked around long enough to give the virus time to adapt and mutate.
Would more have died up to this point? Likely so
Would more have been saved in the long run by preventing suicides/overdoses and all the other social bullshit that the government has IMPOSED ON US? Likely so as well.

And now we're likely to get round 2 of the government mandates thanks to their own ineptitude.

And don't give me that herd immunity is not an answer bullshit because since the vaccine became a reality that's all they've talked about.

Instead we're gonna have a "Biden" response to it if the new strains make it here.

God help us

So what are you prepared to do about it, Gramps? That is the real question everyone wants answered—but not necessarily with words.

I am an ex convict. I have to give an ID to buy bullets for my kids so what are my odds of getting a gun to defend my rights with?
My opportunities long passed me by because of my own mistakes.
I guess I could walk into home depot without a mask but that gets me fuck all of nothing.

Black market, or build your own.

 

[Thinker101]

If masks and lockdowns work why are we supposedly seeing spike number 3 all around the world?

If seatbelts work how come people die in car crashes?

No, you're subtly trying to move the goalposts. We were told that masks would stop the transmission yet CA has been in full mask and the numbers are off the charts rising.

Did they actually tell you that masks would stop the transmission or are you just making that up?

Are you fricken stupid or just don't pay attention. Your ass-wipe heros say it.

 

[Seawytch]

These are all highly respected doctors and researchers in biochemistry and microbiology.

That is no substitute for being a multiple casino bankrupt and faded reality-tv performer when it comes to matters of medical science and public health.

I don't wear one nor will I start to wear one. There is proof beyond doubt when you look at the virus and contrast it with pore spaces in the fabric of masks. All the rest is just the liberal media, politics, agenda, and propaganda.

The virus isn't just floating around in a vapor cloud. It is in droplets. The masks stop the droplets. You aren't risking yourself by not wearing the mask, you are selfishly risking others.

If masks and lockdowns work why are we supposedly seeing spike number 3 all around the world?

Because people are getting complacent and they are relaxing their guard. Holiday travel has contributed to the huge spike.

 

[Manonthestreet]

The danger to business is spreading virus not the mandates to address it. People are choosing not to go out.

There is nothing closed in my Democratic Governor state of NC. We can pretty much do whatever. There are mask rules and capacity rules. I’ve seen very few restrictions impact business but I’ve seen businesses impacted because people are CHOOSING not to partake in riskier behavior.

Yea Cracker Barrel has less seating which impacts them on the weekend. Yes a small restaurant with about 7 tables is closing til they can open all 7. But the vast majority of everything is open except where low demand is killing them. Went to a bar the other day and waited for my sushi. There wasnt a wait nor was the bar crowded like it used to be... all cuz of customers not going out.

The danger to business is spreading virus not the mandates

Most folks want to live and not endanger their vulnerable relatives by contracting and spreading disease.

That means taking sensible precautions that include avoiding more risky venues until they no longer present a danger.

People exhibiting common sense until there have been sufficient vaccinations to eliminate the threat is a prudent reaction.

Don't go to the grocery store then

Spoken like a low information Trump voter. People are at grocery more actually rather than less since they aren’t going out. Are you retarded?

You call Republicans low information voters while supporting a party who wants to lower the voting age to 16.

How does that logic work?

just following the science

 

[Dragonlady]

These are all highly respected doctors and researchers in biochemistry and microbiology.

That is no substitute for being a multiple casino bankrupt and faded reality-tv performer when it comes to matters of medical science and public health.

I don't wear one nor will I start to wear one. There is proof beyond doubt when you look at the virus and contrast it with pore spaces in the fabric of masks. All the rest is just the liberal media, politics, agenda, and propaganda.

The virus isn't just floating around in a vapor cloud. It is in droplets. The masks stop the droplets. You aren't risking yourself by not wearing the mask, you are selfishly risking others.

If masks and lockdowns work why are we supposedly seeing spike number 3 all around the world?

Second wave, which every scientist in the world predicts, and which Trump denied would happen. If masks don''t why is the rate of infection, illness and death in jurisidictions with mask mandates, so much lower than those without?

If they don't work, there is no harm in wearing a mask, but if they do work, there is great harm in not wearing one. Do no harm, wear the fucking mask. It's not a matter of freedom, and it's not political. It's a matter of common sense.