Creationists aren’t happy that Pope Francis ripped their worldview

[Derideo_Te]

Zeus is a fictional God made up by mans imagination

Oh the irony!

 

[guno]

The sole authority comes from God thru the Bible

Your religion and God don't outrank all other religions and deities. They have just as much right to their belief as to what constitutes the "sole authority" as you do. And under the US Constitution none of them outrank the Law of the Land.

the US Constitution was written with principals from the Bible in mind. Like it or not this country was founded with the one true God in mind.

what an ignorant ass

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."


The preliminary treaty began with a signing on 4 November, 1796 (the end of George Washington's last term as president). Joel Barlow, the American diplomat served as counsel to Algiers and held responsibility for the treaty negotiations. Barlow had once served under Washington as a chaplain in the revolutionary army. He became good friends with Paine, Jefferson, and read Enlightenment literature. Later he abandoned Christian orthodoxy for rationalism and became an advocate of secular government. Joel Barlow wrote the original English version of the treaty, including Amendment 11. Barlow forwarded the treaty to U.S. legislators for approval in 1797. Timothy Pickering, the secretary of state, endorsed it and John Adams concurred (now during his presidency), sending the document on to the Senate. The Senate approved the treaty on June 7, 1797, and officially ratified by the Senate with John Adams signature on 10 June, 1797. All during this multi-review process, the wording of Article 11 never raised the slightest concern. The treaty even became public through its publication in The Philadelphia Gazette on 17 June 1797.

So here we have a clear admission by the United States in 1797 that our government did not found itself upon Christianity. Unlike the Declaration of Independence, this treaty represented U.S. law as all U.S. Treaties do (see the Constitution, Article VI, Sect.2: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.")

 

[guno]

The sole authority comes from God thru the Bible

Your religion and God don't outrank all other religions and deities. They have just as much right to their belief as to what constitutes the "sole authority" as you do. And under the US Constitution none of them outrank the Law of the Land.

the US Constitution was written with principals from the Bible in mind. Like it or not this country was founded with the one true God in mind.

The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity. The U.S. government derives from people (not a God), as it clearly states in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of a God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

 

[guno]

The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism is a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists do not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.

Fundamentalist Christians are currently working overtime to convince the American public that the founding fathers intended to establish this country on "biblical principles," but history simply does not support their view.


some information to educate the dumb ass fundies
Welcome To The Deism Site

 

[Derideo_Te]

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
Thomas Jefferson

 

[AmericanFirst]

The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism is a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists do not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.

Fundamentalist Christians are currently working overtime to convince the American public that the founding fathers intended to establish this country on "biblical principles," but history simply does not support their view.


some information to educate the dumb ass fundies
Welcome To The Deism Site

I read the link and it is nothing but propaganda, is not proof of anything. As far as the treaty you don't think that politicians would lie to make sure the other side signs a treaty? I am still not believing you.

 

[guno]

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
Thomas Jefferson

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816

 

[guno]

The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism is a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists do not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.

Fundamentalist Christians are currently working overtime to convince the American public that the founding fathers intended to establish this country on "biblical principles," but history simply does not support their view.


some information to educate the dumb ass fundies
Welcome To The Deism Site

I read the link and it is nothing but propaganda, is not proof of anything. As far as the treaty you don't think that politicians would lie to make sure the other side signs a treaty? I am still not believing you.

look it up yourself in history books and you can even see the treaty it self

Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty of Peace and Friendship Signed at Tripoli November 4 1796

Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

The sole authority comes from God thru the Bible

Your religion and God don't outrank all other religions and deities. They have just as much right to their belief as to what constitutes the "sole authority" as you do. And under the US Constitution none of them outrank the Law of the Land.

the US Constitution was written with principals from the Bible in mind. Like it or not this country was founded with the one true God in mind.

Doesn't matter what you think.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The sole authority comes from God thru the Bible

Your religion and God don't outrank all other religions and deities. They have just as much right to their belief as to what constitutes the "sole authority" as you do. And under the US Constitution none of them outrank the Law of the Land.

Gods law outranks the law of the land, the one true God, not the man made ones like allah, budda, and numerous other fictional deities.

The secular Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. If you don't like it then I suggest that you find somewhere else more suited to your dictatorial theocratic beliefs.

Wrong again.

The law is neutral on freedom of and from religion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and Allan were either deists or polytheists. Read all of their writings chronologically. The conclusion is not even problematic.

 

[PratchettFan]

The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism is a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists do not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.

Fundamentalist Christians are currently working overtime to convince the American public that the founding fathers intended to establish this country on "biblical principles," but history simply does not support their view.


some information to educate the dumb ass fundies
Welcome To The Deism Site

I read the link and it is nothing but propaganda, is not proof of anything. As far as the treaty you don't think that politicians would lie to make sure the other side signs a treaty? I am still not believing you.

Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. You can look at bits and pieces of it and think it is derived from the Bible, the Qu'ran or the Tibetan Book of the Dead. It doesn't matter, because what is written in that document is what matters.