Crimes against humanity in Europe

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I started this thread to discuss complicity of European governments in violation of human rights in Europe. If you wish to discuss human rights violation in any other place than Europe, please start a separate thread. Please do not disrupt this thread by bringing up non European countries.

I wanted to share the plight of Roma people in France to get this thread started. The article below is a must read. If you have beating heart and soul which can see past skin colors, you will feel for the plight of Romas.

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No one could envy the Rostas family. They live in three broken-down cars with flat tyres on a patch of mud beside a disused factory hidden away on the outskirts of Paris.
Every night at eight o’clock the French police turn up, check the names of the 11 members of the family and then tell them to leave France. ‘Go back to Romania,’ say the officers. ‘You are not welcome here.’
Now, the Rostas have their final marching orders. The police have given them a deadline to pack their few miserable belongings, including the battered pushchairs of the two children, a girl called Diana, five, and a ten-month-old boy, Armando.
This weekend, the cars they live in — a Renault, Citroen and Suzuki — will have been towed away by the Paris authorities and the Rostas will be homeless.

‘We are frightened because we will have nowhere else to go. We came here to feed our children, to get a better life,’ says the head of the family, 58-year-old Toma, in a frayed check shirt.

‘In Romania, we are squashed together in a house with two rooms, no water, no heating, no toilet and no work. Now we are not wanted in France.’

Toma could not have spoken a truer word. He is one of 20,000 Eastern European gipsies or Roma (the vast majority from Romania and Bulgaria and half living in Paris) who have descended on France over the past three years, only to be met by a wave of hostility.

Even the Left-wing President, Francois Hollande, has remained tight-lipped as scores of illegal Roma squatter camps in Paris are pulled down by police, who then send the inhabitants fleeing or put them on paid-for flights and bus-rides back home.

Recent opinion polls show that 83 per cent of the French — whatever their political outlook — approve of the mass destruction of the gipsy camps. And 70 per cent are so worried about the Roma influx that they put it higher on their list of worries than the fragile economy and housing problems.

A firecracker has been hurled into this powder keg by French Interior Minister Manuel Valls, an immigrant from Catalonia in Spain. Valls said the forced evacuation of Roma from squatter camps was vital — and polls showed three-quarters of the French supported him.
The gipsies, he pronounced, deserved to be thrown out of France because they failed to integrate, bringing crime and mafia-style gangs with them.

A few days after Vall’s pronouncement last month, five Eastern Europeans were captured in a £1 million jewellery raid on a watchmaker’s store in the French capital. Police believe a Roma gipsy gang was behind the robbery, stoking more hostility against the newcomers.

The crackdown even led to the arrest of a Roma schoolgirl as an illegal immigrant while she was on a school trip and the removal of her family back to Kosovo — sparking student protests yesterday as teenagers erected barricades on streets outside their school and marched through Paris.

The students considered the treatment of the girl a step too far, saying it betrayed France’s image as a champion of human rights.
Many suspect that Vall’s hardline stance has a cynical edge to it and is designed to divert votes from France’s Right-wing parties in municipal and EU elections next year.

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The Roma: A thousand years of discrimination continues in Europe, advocates say


(CNN) -- From the time they entered Europe from India a thousand years ago, the Roma were targets of discrimination.
Countries passed laws to suppress their culture and keep them out of the mainstream -- and sometimes went much further. Roma were enslaved in Hungary and Romania in the 15th century and targeted for extermination by Nazi Germany 500 years later.
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The Roma: A thousand years of discrimination continues, advocates say - CNN.com
 
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Toma the Roma. I like that.

I have a soft spot for these people as I am 1/4 Roma.

They have much more going for them than do the poor and downtrodden in America, as they are proud of their race culture, and heritage.

Is it a crime to want to eat? And to live?
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGDj0B5WQaA]Gypsy Child Thieves (BBC Documentary) - YouTube[/ame]
 
Toma the Roma. I like that.

I have a soft spot for these people as I am 1/4 Roma.

They have much more going for them than do the poor and downtrodden in America, as they are proud of their race culture, and heritage.

Is it a crime to want to eat? And to live?

When Hitler decided to start his gas chamber enterprise, it is the Romas who were first ones to be marched into the holocaust. Europe for the most part is a very racist place. There has been systematic discrimination against Romas for centuries now. They are denied opportunities. They are not even allowed to live in peace. They are constantly given marching orders from one country to another. Under these circumstances how are they going to make living? The result is that they resort to all kinds of unconventional means to survive. Then the Europeans turn around and say. "Look at these Romas ... "

Their persecution has been particularly bad in catholic countries like Italy, France, etc.
 
Toma the Roma. I like that.

I have a soft spot for these people as I am 1/4 Roma.

They have much more going for them than do the poor and downtrodden in America, as they are proud of their race culture, and heritage.

Is it a crime to want to eat? And to live?

When Hitler decided to start his gas chamber enterprise, it is the Romas who were first ones to be marched into the holocaust. Europe for the most part is a very racist place. There has been systematic discrimination against Romas for centuries now. They are denied opportunities. They are not even allowed to live in peace. They are constantly given marching orders from one country to another. Under these circumstances how are they going to make living? The result is that they resort to all kinds of unconventional means to survive. Then the Europeans turn around and say. "Look at these Romas ... "

Their persecution has been particularly bad in catholic countries like Italy, France, etc.

I remember my mother telling me about dad's ancestors being rousted from their beds in the middle of the night, taken away, and not being seen again.
 
Toma the Roma. I like that.

I have a soft spot for these people as I am 1/4 Roma.

They have much more going for them than do the poor and downtrodden in America, as they are proud of their race culture, and heritage.

Is it a crime to want to eat? And to live?

When Hitler decided to start his gas chamber enterprise, it is the Romas who were first ones to be marched into the holocaust. Europe for the most part is a very racist place. There has been systematic discrimination against Romas for centuries now. They are denied opportunities. They are not even allowed to live in peace. They are constantly given marching orders from one country to another. Under these circumstances how are they going to make living? The result is that they resort to all kinds of unconventional means to survive. Then the Europeans turn around and say. "Look at these Romas ... "

Their persecution has been particularly bad in catholic countries like Italy, France, etc.

I remember my mother telling me about dad's ancestors being rousted from their beds in the middle of the night, taken away, and not being seen again.

You will not see Romas resorting to unconventional means to make living here in the US. Why is it happening in the Europe? Because, Europeans have systematically and methodically denied the most basic of the opportunities to Romas just because they are dark.

How can Europeans live with themselves doing this kind of heinous deed against innocent people?
 

Roma fear witch hunt after Greek case


When Maria Demeova sat down on her bus to work and glanced at newspaper headlines about the "blonde angel" child taken from a Roma couple in Greece, her heart sank. "Though the facts of the case haven't been established, there is a fear that the whole Roma community across Europe is being put on trial for something which might or might not have happened in one family," she says.

Now a teaching assistant at a Sheffield secondary school, 28-year-old Demeova, who is Roma, says she grew up with daily prejudice and discrimination, which persists in her native Slovakia.

"I was segregated at school, kept away from the non-Roma children, but I worked hard, I got a good degree."

In the UK, she supports Europe Roma International. "We spend a lot of time countering stereotypes that are totally wrong – that none of us have blue eyes or fair hair, that we don't want to work, that we're all musicians. Roma are very worried about this child case and media coverage across Europe. Even in the UK, Roma are talking about it, asking, will people be afraid of us all now?"

The 10 to 12 million Roma people in Europe already make up one of the largest, most disadvantaged minorities on the continent. They frequently live in makeshift camps with no water or electricity, face routine evictions, become victims of violence, are discriminated against over jobs, and find their children segregated at school.

Rights groups are now, however, concerned about a knock-on effect across Europe of an anti-Roma witch hunt gathering pace following the frenzy over the case of Maria, the fair-haired child found in the Roma camp near Farsala, Greece.

DNA tests have shown that Maria is not related to the couple raising her and the man and woman have been held on charges of abduction and document fraud while an investigation continues.

Days after this discovery, two fair-haired Roma children in Ireland, a girl aged seven, and a two-year-old boy , were taken from their parents by police on the basis that they looked different from their relatives. But after DNA tests they were returned to their families.

Martin Collins, of the Traveller and Roma centre Pavee Point, says he blames a kind of "hysteria" sweeping the continent since the Greece case. He says he fears the start of racial profiling, with authorities going into Roma communities and forcibly removing children in the absence of any welfare concerns.

There are also fears of the public taking matters into their own hands. In Serbia last weekend there were reports of skinheads entering a Roma area and trying to take a boy aged two from his family because he was "not as dark as his parents". The parents called the police.

The Roma community, suffering stereotyping and prejudice over perceived criminality, was alreadybeen a target.

Earlier this year some people in Dortmund, Germany, called the police to report that adults of Roma appearance were taking children to a flat and leaving without them. When the police investigated, they realised the flat was the venue for a children's birthday party.

In Italy, in 2007, three weeks after the murder of an Italian woman by a Romanian immigrant sparked an intense anti-Roma outcry, a 15-month-old girl was snatched from her mother's parked car in the small town of Cernusco Lombardone, near Milan, while her mother went into a supermarket. One of the first places the police looked, according to reports, was a nearby Gypsy camp. They found nothing there because soon afterwards the baby was discovered at the home of a mentally unstable Italian woman in the area.

Dezideriu Gergely, executive director of the European Roma Rights Centre (ERRC) in Budapest, says: "If a crime has been committed in Greece, and it's still by no means clear, those who committed it should be treated as individuals, not as representatives of their ethnicity.

"The Irish cases show how easily authorities can act on assumptions or perceptions. This type of action is racial profiling, targeting a group following a concept of guilty until proven otherwise. Since the Greek case [in Roma communities], the assumption that their children don't belong to their families is causing a lot of anxiety.

"There is a misconception, a prejudice and stereotype, which is that Roma are thieves and therefore they steal babies, and on the basis of this stereotype people expect authorities to act. I've never seen a case like this before."

Campaigners warn that European countries' administrations have for years fostered widespread violations of the rights of Roma children. Roma children are statistically much more likely than others to be put into state care, forced into segregated school classes to be kept apart from the majority populations, and forcibly evicted from their homes.

A 2011 report by the ERRC found "significant over-representation" of Roma children in state care institutions in Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Italy, Romania and Slovakia. The researchers said children were often removed due to prejudice and racism.

While poverty was not officially an acceptable criterion for removing children to a home, in the case of Roma the authorities were blaming families for not being able to improve their social and living conditions; they took children away on the basis of poverty.

The placing of Roma children who do not have any unusual educational needs or mental disability into special needs schools continues in countries such as the Czech Republic.

The European court of human rights has ruled against several countries, including Hungary, Greece, the Czech Republic and Croatia, for segregating Roma schoolchildren.

"You'd hope educating children in special schools simply because of their ethnicity would be unthinkable in Europe in 2013," said Fotis Filippou, of Amnesty International, after one ruling.

Gabriela Hrabanova, the former head of the Czech government's Roma office, and now policy coordinator for the European Roma Grassroots Organisations Network, in Brussels, warns that speculation around the Greek case may fuel the rhetoric of extreme-right political groups in the runup to European elections.

She says: "There's a real fear of increased stigmatisation against Roma as a whole because it will feed the racist rhetoric of hard-right parties rising in Europe. Already politicians are using this case. In the runup to elections this is particularly worrying, because this discourse will have a negative effect on politicians deciding public policy."

She says the case feeds into stereotypes embodied in storytelling by adults, especially the old saying: "Behave, or the Gypsies will take you."

Despite recent moves by bodies such as the European commission and Council of Europe to highlight and combat discrimination against Roma, deprivation and segregation of many their communities in Europe has increased. Meanwhile, the anti-Roma political discourse, once the preserve of the far right, has moved more and more into the mainstream.

Last month the EU told France it could face sanctions over the treatment of its Roma community after the Socialist interior minister said most should be deported and France was "not here to welcome these populations". Amnesty International reported 10,000 Roma evicted from makeshift camps in France in the first half of this year.

François Hollande, the French president, is embroiled in a row over Leonarda, a Roma girl, aged 15, who was ordered off a school bus in France and deported to Kosovo. The Czech Republic has seen a wave of anti-Roma street demonstrations in recent months.

In Greece, in an atmosphere of rightwing extremism and growing racism, authorities have targeted the 300,000-strong Roma community, human rights groups say. The raid on the Farsala Roma camp, where Maria was found, is a part of that drive, they say. "Roma have been persecuted [here] for as long as anyone can remember but they have been particularly scapegoated recently with camps being raided supposedly in search of weapons and drugs," says Petros Constantinou, who runs Greece's leading anti-racist, anti-fascist movement, Keerfa.

The government, he adds, "is determined to assume the far-right mantle" in law and order. "And it has seen that attacks on Roma work." He says the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party has seen its popularity rise on the back of "progroms" against the Roma. Like other human rights defenders he thinks the media's "blonde angel" discovery has served to reinforce racist stereotypes.

Nikos Voultsos, who also works at Keerfa, says: "From what we know, there have been raids on camps nationwide following the discovery of the little girl. The case has been used to stigmatise an entire community."

Roma fear witch hunt after Greek case | World news | The Guardian
 
When Hitler decided to start his gas chamber enterprise, it is the Romas who were first ones to be marched into the holocaust. Europe for the most part is a very racist place. There has been systematic discrimination against Romas for centuries now. They are denied opportunities. They are not even allowed to live in peace. They are constantly given marching orders from one country to another. Under these circumstances how are they going to make living? The result is that they resort to all kinds of unconventional means to survive. Then the Europeans turn around and say. "Look at these Romas ... "

Their persecution has been particularly bad in catholic countries like Italy, France, etc.

I remember my mother telling me about dad's ancestors being rousted from their beds in the middle of the night, taken away, and not being seen again.

You will not see Romas resorting to unconventional means to make living here in the US. Why is it happening in the Europe? Because, Europeans have systematically and methodically denied the most basic of the opportunities to Romas just because they are dark.

How can Europeans live with themselves doing this kind of heinous deed against innocent people?

Why don't you stop imagining this false reality and start to see some common sense. It's very funny, but I notice almost everywhere race represented here in Europe working and living. Gee today I must have noticed twenty black people in suits heading to work in the offices in the City of London. So where and how do Europeans systematically and methodically deny basic opportunities to Roma? Well one they are illegal migrants. Even so, given the chance to send their children to school and get an education and enter the workforce at a later age, they are systematically and methodically denied the access and encouragement by their own people to assimilate in society. So it is not any European racist thought pulling the strings keeping these 'Roma' in their current state. This is their lifestyle, heritage and culture. To willingly move and depend on the resources of others, illegally and then break the laws by stealing and resorting to any other means to survive. Hey I'll tell you something, if I catch a bus in Athens, I have to buy a ticket, if there are 'Roma' on board they are never questioned because the complexities of finding a current address or an actual means to pay a penalty prevent the authorities from issuing a penalty. Now If I claimed as a European citizen that I choose to willingly not purchase a ticket well guess what happens to me? And let me give you a hint, I'm not dark either.
 
Racism in Europe is mind boggling. Roma kids are taken away from them by racist European authorities under false accusations that the kids were stolen from non Roma families.

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Roma family in Ireland reunited with daughter after DNA test


Dublin, Ireland (CNN) -- Two blonde, blue-eyed girls taken from Roma couples. Authorities turn to DNA tests for answers.
For a family in Ireland, it's proof the girl is indeed their biological daughter.
For a girl in Greece, the mystery remains as to who she is and who her real parents are.
In Dublin, a 7-year-old girl whom Irish police took from her parents, a Roma couple, two days ago was reunited with them.
A DNA test confirmed she is their daughter, a source familiar with the case's legal proceedings told CNN on Wednesday.

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Roma family in Ireland reunited with daughter after DNA test - CNN.com
 
When Hitler decided to start his gas chamber enterprise, it is the Romas who were first ones to be marched into the holocaust. Europe for the most part is a very racist place. There has been systematic discrimination against Romas for centuries now. They are denied opportunities. They are not even allowed to live in peace. They are constantly given marching orders from one country to another. Under these circumstances how are they going to make living? The result is that they resort to all kinds of unconventional means to survive. Then the Europeans turn around and say. "Look at these Romas ... "
Their persecution has been particularly bad in catholic countries like Italy, France, etc.
I remember my mother telling me about dad's ancestors being rousted from their beds in the middle of the night, taken away, and not being seen again.
You will not see Romas resorting to unconventional means to make living here in the US. Why is it happening in the Europe? Because, Europeans have systematically and methodically denied the most basic of the opportunities to Romas just because they are dark.
How can Europeans live with themselves doing this kind of heinous deed against innocent people?

What happens in Europe? There are many Sinti and Roma living in Germany. They don't need to live in cars! And why are they dark??? Nobody have systematically denied their rights or opportunities! They have nothing to fear! Okay, to live in cars with children is not possible! Social Office pays for a flat, food, school and health insurance! Even if there are no children in the Family. But children are under special protection - they must go to School und mustn't live in Cars. You may rate it heinous!
 

Roma people denied social housing in Italy


Roma people in the Italian capital are being denied access to social housing – despite living in segregated and basic camps, far from facilities such as schools and hospitals. Rome's authorities have put in place regulations which prevent thousands of Roma, many of whom were born in Italy, from applying for public housing in a move which has angered human rights groups.

Under the new rules, anyone living in a formal camp – fenced-off areas far from work opportunities, usually patrolled by guards and with cramped metal containers for housing – is deemed to be in permanent accommodation, and therefore cannot apply for social housing.

Campaigners suspect the move is politically-motivated – the rules that govern housing allocation having been amended at the last moment, to prevent Roma from competing for the highly-coveted properties. They claim it is the latest in a long list of Italian policies which discriminate against Roma people in the country.

Costanza Hermanin, programme officer at the Open Society Foundation (OSF), says: "The authorities in Italy simply don't conceive of Roma as normal human beings. This new regulation is plainly discriminatory, and also counter-productive as it prevents them from integrating properly into society."

Camp families had not previously been eligible for public housing in Rome, but this has appeared to change at the end of December. The city authorities issued a public notice, stating that the maximum eligibility score – category A1 – would now be granted to those in "greatly disadvantaged housing conditions," including families "in centres, public dormitories or any other appropriate structures temporarily provided by entities, institutions and recognised and authorised charitable organisations dedicated to public assistance."

This appeared to include the official camps, in which upwards of 4,000 Roma live; scores of families prepared and lodged applications. But within weeks a clarification was published, excluding so-called "nomad camps" whose containers were to be regarded as permanent structures.

Italy's treatment of its Gypsy minority is regularly challenged by human rights groups. Its system of formal camps emerged in the 1970s, when inhabitants were mainly showpeople and Sinti, an indigenous Italian Gypsy group with ethnic connections to the Roma. In the early 1990s, there was an influx of Roma from the former Yugoslavia, followed later by migrants from Romania and other European Union accession states.

As many as 10,000 Roma in Italy are thought to be technically stateless, either through not being granted citizenship by the former Yugoslavian state or because they were born to foreign parents (Italy does not grant automatic citizenship through birth). Those without papers are at risk of police checks and legal action.

In 2008, Silvio Berlusconi's government gave municipal authorities emergency powers to survey, register and move Roma. Since then the sanctioned camps have been managed much more strictly: fenced, surrounded by CCTV, patrolled by guards and often with early curfews and a requirement to sign in visitors.

A Roma-only fingerprint database is being compiled, and camp residents must have no criminal convictions – a condition that is not required for social housing allocation in the country. The latest camp, La Barbuta, opened in June 2012 next to the runway of Rome's Ciampino airport.

Residents of the many illegal settlements across the city face worse conditions. They live without access to water, sanitation or electricity, and are often evicted in dawn raids in which they are given a choice between repatriation or a place in a segregated formal camp.

Hermanin says: "I think when the municipal authorities realised they had put Roma and very poor citizens from Rome in the same category for social housing they felt they needed to do something, hence the change in rules. There is a lot of hostility towards Roma among politicians and the media.

"They say Roma are not segregated from the rest of the city, and that people are only housed in these camps temporarily. But we say they are giving the residents no choices and no opportunity to move on, integrate and live normal lives."

OSF has joined forces with Amnesty International, Associazione 21 Luglio and the European Roma Rights Centre to oppose Rome's policy and are calling on the new Italian government and the European Commission to take action.

Amnesty has also made a submission for the opening of a EU infringement procedure against Italy over its segregation of Roma residents, including this social housing policy.

Elisa De Pieri, an Amnesty researcher, says: "We think this is plainly discriminatory, because the Roma are being prevented from getting out of segregation. We are not saying there should be preferential treatment for the Roma families but we think they should be treated the same as other residents and allowed to apply for housing."

International focus: Roma people denied social housing in Italy | Housing Network | Guardian Professional
 
I started this thread to discuss complicity of European governments in violation of human rights in Europe. If you wish to discuss human rights violation in any other place than Europe, please start a separate thread. Please do not disrupt this thread by bringing up non European countries.

I wanted to share the plight of Roma people in France to get this thread started. The article below is a must read. If you have beating heart and soul which can see past skin colors, you will feel for the plight of Romas.

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No one could envy the Rostas family. They live in three broken-down cars with flat tyres on a patch of mud beside a disused factory hidden away on the outskirts of Paris.
Every night at eight o’clock the French police turn up, check the names of the 11 members of the family and then tell them to leave France. ‘Go back to Romania,’ say the officers. ‘You are not welcome here.’
Now, the Rostas have their final marching orders. The police have given them a deadline to pack their few miserable belongings, including the battered pushchairs of the two children, a girl called Diana, five, and a ten-month-old boy, Armando.
This weekend, the cars they live in — a Renault, Citroen and Suzuki — will have been towed away by the Paris authorities and the Rostas will be homeless.

‘We are frightened because we will have nowhere else to go. We came here to feed our children, to get a better life,’ says the head of the family, 58-year-old Toma, in a frayed check shirt.

‘In Romania, we are squashed together in a house with two rooms, no water, no heating, no toilet and no work. Now we are not wanted in France.’

Toma could not have spoken a truer word. He is one of 20,000 Eastern European gipsies or Roma (the vast majority from Romania and Bulgaria and half living in Paris) who have descended on France over the past three years, only to be met by a wave of hostility.

Even the Left-wing President, Francois Hollande, has remained tight-lipped as scores of illegal Roma squatter camps in Paris are pulled down by police, who then send the inhabitants fleeing or put them on paid-for flights and bus-rides back home.

Recent opinion polls show that 83 per cent of the French — whatever their political outlook — approve of the mass destruction of the gipsy camps. And 70 per cent are so worried about the Roma influx that they put it higher on their list of worries than the fragile economy and housing problems.

A firecracker has been hurled into this powder keg by French Interior Minister Manuel Valls, an immigrant from Catalonia in Spain. Valls said the forced evacuation of Roma from squatter camps was vital — and polls showed three-quarters of the French supported him.
The gipsies, he pronounced, deserved to be thrown out of France because they failed to integrate, bringing crime and mafia-style gangs with them.

A few days after Vall’s pronouncement last month, five Eastern Europeans were captured in a £1 million jewellery raid on a watchmaker’s store in the French capital. Police believe a Roma gipsy gang was behind the robbery, stoking more hostility against the newcomers.

The crackdown even led to the arrest of a Roma schoolgirl as an illegal immigrant while she was on a school trip and the removal of her family back to Kosovo — sparking student protests yesterday as teenagers erected barricades on streets outside their school and marched through Paris.

The students considered the treatment of the girl a step too far, saying it betrayed France’s image as a champion of human rights.
Many suspect that Vall’s hardline stance has a cynical edge to it and is designed to divert votes from France’s Right-wing parties in municipal and EU elections next year.

...

Read more: The Roma and the march of the ugly Right: A deeply troubling dispatch from Paris and Berlin that EVERY British politician must read | Mail Online
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My heart goes out to them. This is tragic, Vikrant! Tragic! - Jeri
 
The Romanian people are such good people! Hard working people who have suffered greatly. This is just flat out wrong!!!!!
 

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