Cruz and Kasich . . . two Establishment peas in a pod

[Crixus]

Trump is a fake.

Yeah because the others are so real. LOL.

Huckaboo's words on one of Trump's flip flops.

Mike Huckabee Defends Donald Trump’s Abortion Conversion: “He is Pro-Life Now”

Here’s how Mike Huckabee, the longtime pro-life advocate, sees it:

Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, in a Friday interview, defended Donald Trump’s changing position on abortion while attacking Ted Cruz for changing his views based on polling.

Asked on NewsMax Prime why he hasn’t been critical of Trump’s shift from being pro-abortion rights to anti-abortion, the former Arkansas governor said, “The difference is Donald Trump has certainly changed his view on abortion, he is pro-life now, but you know his view evolved over 20 years, not 20 months, or 20 minutes.”


Here’s how Mike Huckabee, the longtime pro-life advocate, sees it:

Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, in a Friday interview, defended Donald Trump’s changing position on abortion while attacking Ted Cruz for changing his views based on polling.

Asked on NewsMax Prime why he hasn’t been critical of Trump’s shift from being pro-abortion rights to anti-abortion, the former Arkansas governor said, “The difference is Donald Trump has certainly changed his view on abortion, he is pro-life now, but you know his view evolved over 20 years, not 20 months, or 20 minutes.”


That one was Feb. 1, 2016. Wow, the same day he decided to quit running. Wonder If he made a great deal? I find it funny, Trump go's on about the voters, yet he deals with a professional politition and religious nut that has been told "we don't want you" both times he ran yet trump will force this twerp on us. Ya, good. And his campaign manager? Ya, real anti establishment dude right there. A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillery.

 

[NightFox]

Yeah, but the mindless lemmings don't care about who gets elected unless they think it's their team.

But yeah, there seems to be no hope any more, the US is on the way down and out.

We're already there, the liabilities of the federal government alone far exceed the assets of the entire nation and it's ability to tax the citizenry, we're operating on a financial illusion and these miscreant politicians are just fighting to preside over the ashes in the hopes they can keep the magic show going until after they're out of office.

So in the end it doesn't matter who the lemmings pick to be in charge, the results will be the same (see Wiemar Republic, Roman Republic, British Empire, etc.., etc.. for details).

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana

 

[Iceweasel]

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillery.

How so?

 

[Crixus]

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillery.

How so?

Sounded good.

 

[NightFox]

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillery.

How so?

2016 Presidential Race
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Trump (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/20 -- -- 48.4 40.0 Clinton +8.4

General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Cruz (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 45.3 43.0 Clinton +2.3

General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Kasich (R)

Clinton (D)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 48.0 40.2 Kasich +7.8

Make sense now weasel?

 

[OldLady]

Back to the OP, we'll see if this works any better than when Rubio's campaign suggested it during the Florida/Ohio primaries. It still comes down to people voting for someone they don't support if they are in the wrong state. Didn't work for Rubio and I doubt it will work for Cruz and Kasich. I like Kasich, but I sure as hell wouldn't vote for Cruz, regardless.

 

[Iceweasel]

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillery.

How so?

2016 Presidential Race
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Trump (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/20 -- -- 48.4 40.0 Clinton +8.4

General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Cruz (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 45.3 43.0 Clinton +2.3

General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Kasich (R)

Clinton (D)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 48.0 40.2 Kasich +7.8

Make sense now weasel?

Not a bit. It's a stupid poll because:

If Kasich is installed by the good ole boys a LOT of people will say fuck the GOP. The poll doesn't take that into account.

Lots of Bernie voters will be pissed too.

If Trump won how many Republicans will support him? How many moderates? How many Democrats?

No one knows.

 

[Vigilante]

They are now one candidate known to all as "CruSick"

• Donald J. Trump Response to Cruz and Kasich Campaigns
  Donald J. Trump ^ | 4-24-2016 | Donald J. Trump
  <p>Senator Cruz has done very poorly and after his New York performance, which was a total disaster, he is in free fall and as everyone has seen, he does not react well under pressure. Also, approximately 80% of the Republican Party is against him. Governor Kasich, who has only won 1 state out of 41, in other words, he is 1 for 41 and he is not even doing as well as other candidates who could have stubbornly stayed in the race like him but chose not to do so. Marco Rubio, as an example, has more delegates than Kasich and yet suspended his campaign one month ago. Others, likewise, have done much better than Kasich, who would get slaughtered by Hillary Clinton once the negative ads against him begin. 85% of Republican voters are against Kasich.</p>

 

[Crixus]

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillery.

How so?

2016 Presidential Race
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Trump (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/20 -- -- 48.4 40.0 Clinton +8.4

General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Cruz (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 45.3 43.0 Clinton +2.3

General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Kasich (R)

Clinton (D)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 48.0 40.2 Kasich +7.8

Make sense now weasel?

Not a bit. It's a stupid poll because:

If Kasich is installed by the good ole boys a LOT of people will say fuck the GOP. The poll doesn't take that into account.

Lots of Bernie voters will be pissed too.

If Trump won how many Republicans will support him? How many moderates? How many Democrats?

No one knows.

How many will just stay home?

 

[NightFox]

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillery.

How so?

2016 Presidential Race
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Trump (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/20 -- -- 48.4 40.0 Clinton +8.4

General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Cruz (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 45.3 43.0 Clinton +2.3

General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Kasich (R)

Clinton (D)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 48.0 40.2 Kasich +7.8

Make sense now weasel?

Not a bit. It's a stupid poll because:

If Kasich is installed by the good ole boys a LOT of people will say fuck the GOP. The poll doesn't take that into account.

Lots of Bernie voters will be pissed too.

If Trump won how many Republicans will support him? How many moderates? How many Democrats?

No one knows.

So you're completely discounting the available hard data on whom the general election voters will pull the lever for and relying on a bunch of unsubstantiated what if's and conjecture? Let me know how that works out for ya.

"Don't wish away your problems. They need action, not wishful thinking." -- Bangambiki Habyarimana, The Great Pearl of Wisdom

 

[Crixus]

They are now one candidate known to all as "CruSick"

• Donald J. Trump Response to Cruz and Kasich Campaigns
  Donald J. Trump ^ | 4-24-2016 | Donald J. Trump
  <p>Senator Cruz has done very poorly and after his New York performance, which was a total disaster, he is in free fall and as everyone has seen, he does not react well under pressure. Also, approximately 80% of the Republican Party is against him. Governor Kasich, who has only won 1 state out of 41, in other words, he is 1 for 41 and he is not even doing as well as other candidates who could have stubbornly stayed in the race like him but chose not to do so. Marco Rubio, as an example, has more delegates than Kasich and yet suspended his campaign one month ago. Others, likewise, have done much better than Kasich, who would get slaughtered by Hillary Clinton once the negative ads against him begin. 85% of Republican voters are against Kasich.</p>

To many numbers. If you believe "da man" is just trying the shut trump down (which is what Hillery says they are doing to her to) there is no changing your mind. But to say Trump is some pure anti establishment guy, just is not true. There have been establishment fingerprints all over Trump for years just like there is now.

 

[Iceweasel]

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillery.

How so?

2016 Presidential Race
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Trump (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/20 -- -- 48.4 40.0 Clinton +8.4

General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)

Cruz (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 45.3 43.0 Clinton +2.3

General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton
Poll Date Sample MoE
Kasich (R)

Clinton (D)
Spread
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/14 -- -- 48.0 40.2 Kasich +7.8

Make sense now weasel?

Not a bit. It's a stupid poll because:

If Kasich is installed by the good ole boys a LOT of people will say fuck the GOP. The poll doesn't take that into account.

Lots of Bernie voters will be pissed too.

If Trump won how many Republicans will support him? How many moderates? How many Democrats?

No one knows.

So you're completely discounting the available hard data on whom the general election voters will pull the lever for and relying on a bunch of unsubstantiated what if's and conjecture? Let me know how that works out for ya.

Hard data? LOL. I explained why it's bullshit. Talk about what ifs!

 

[Crixus]

Here, check these guys out. Google them. Then looks at the folks around those folks. You will see a pattern of cronieisem and good ol'boy type stuff that Trump says is bad.

7 Members of Team Trump Who You Need To Know

 

[PredFan]

Jeb Bush is better those two.

Except that Bush would get slaughtered in the general.

 

[NightFox]

Hard data? LOL. I explained why it's bullshit. Talk about what ifs!

Sorry but you did no such thing, you simply discounted it and countered with a bunch of unsubstantiated claims about what the RCP average of pollS doesn't take into account, you failed to demonstrate that the pollS that make up the RCP average don't take those factors into account or even show any evidence that those factors exist and/or will be relevant during the general election.

 

[Vigilante]

Of course Trump was a businessman, and admits he BOUGHT POLITICAL favors. He KNOWS the game from first hand being there and after the Republicans in CONGRESS have been RUBBER STAMPING EVERYTHING that POS muslim sends them to sign, it's about time we say FUCK THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT, and give someone NEW and NOT a politician a chance. Cruz has NOW BECOME A COMPLETE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT CLOWN, anyone that denies that is dumber than Franco!

 

[Crixus]

Of course Trump was a businessman, and admits he BOUGHT POLITICAL favors. He KNOWS the game from first hand being there and after the Republicans in CONGRESS have been RUBBER STAMPING EVERYTHING that POS muslim sends them to sign, it's about time we say FUCK THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT, and give someone NEW and NOT a politician a chance. Cruz has NOW BECOME A COMPLETE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT CLOWN, anyone that denies that is dumber than Franco!

Why ? Going by his record, not what Trump's campaign manager or sean hannity says, how has he done tank of that? Here, I will link you to every single vot Cruze has made and not made in the senate. Hold it up to what he said he would do if sent to washimgton. Point out where he lied or joined "the man".

The Voter's Self Defense System

There you go. Every vote he has ever cast. And if you look around you can see just about everything on the guy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Real" Republicans are going to get to the point where there are no more RINOs to attack.

 

[blackhawk]

Trump has not reached 1237 delegates both men think they can win in a contested convention so the fact they are trying to keep Trump from getting to 1237 and having one is no surprise. If the roles were reversed and Cruz or Kasich were the front runner and Trump thought he could win in a contested convention I don't think he would drop out either.

 

[johnwk]

Of course Trump was a businessman, and admits he BOUGHT POLITICAL favors. He KNOWS the game from first hand being there and after the Republicans in CONGRESS have been RUBBER STAMPING EVERYTHING that POS muslim sends them to sign, it's about time we say FUCK THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT, and give someone NEW and NOT a politician a chance. Cruz has NOW BECOME A COMPLETE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT CLOWN, anyone that denies that is dumber than Franco!

I agree as explained in the title of the thread "Cruz and Kasich . . . two Establishment peas in a pod"

JWK