Cuomo: 'Umm...whattaya know....it works'

[Lesh]

Yeah, no doctors are on board with this. That's why they're prescribing it to their patients

They ARE using it...out of desperation...with no idea as to how effective it is

 

[Mac-7]

If the CDC and NIH were doing their job they would already know if the drug works or not

they should watch less porn and do more work

Really? And how would that happen? Please, be specific about the no-doubt-copious amounts of information you have on how the medical establishment comes to know if a drug works or not, and how long it takes.

They would have a mountain of data on the drug already as it applies to other corona virus

 

[Rocko]

Yeah, no doctors are on board with this. That's why they're prescribing it to their patients

They ARE using it...out of desperation...with no idea as to how effective it is

That doesn’t make sense. If doctors are so desperate why are they using this particular drug? They have an idea it works to a degree that’s why. My mom said she felt better right away after taking the meds they put her on. Believe what you want.

 

[Lesh]

That doesn’t make sense. If doctors are so desperate why are they using this particular drug?

They are using that...and lots more.

They are desperate

 

[colfax_m]

The vast majority of people get over COVID just fine without treatment.

So?

It makes it more difficult to assert a medication resulted in a good outcome when that was the overwhelming likelihood without the medication.

 

[j-mac]

After being one of the many Trump-haters bashing the President for suggesting the antimalarial drug be used by doctors to help treat / save patients infected with COVID0-19 before formal drug trials have been completed, NY Gov Andrew Cuomo stated in today's Press Conference that the treatment is working.....'anecdotally'.

"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo(D) said Monday that early responses to the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine “anecdotally” suggest its use in the coronavirus fight has been “effective,” but that official data was still forthcoming.

Asked about the progress of the trials at his daily press briefing, Cuomo noted that state officials have allowed use of the drug in combination with the antibiotic Zithromax in hospitals “at their discretion.” He said the federal government would increase supplies to New York pharmacies, but that New York has imposed a 14-day limit to protect the supplies for people who rely on it to treat other medical conditions."


"President Trump has repeatedly promoted the drug as a treatment for the virus despite lack of approval by the Food and Drug Administration for that use in the long-term or comprehensive clinical trial data, although the agency has granted emergency approval for use with a prescription."

If you or a loved one are extremely ill, potentially dying, from COVID-19 and there is a drug out there already approved to fight malaria that doctors / scientists believe have a good chance of being used to treat this virus and save lives, do you really want to wait for the CDC / government to conduct comprehensive clinical trials to confirm it works....or do you want to allow doctors to make the call in order to save lives?

It's working.

The President didn't just pull this drug out of his ass - he listened to experts / scientists / researchers / doctors. They/ He are / were right. Let the doctors make the call. You're welcome NY / US.

Cuomo: Use of antimalarial drug in New York hospitals ‘anecdotally’ positive

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said Monday that early responses to the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine “anecdotally” suggest its use in the coronavirus fight has been “effective,” but that off…

thehill.com

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Democrats have to board this train or they will be seen for what they are... Criminals lusting for power..

You mean they're not already?

 

[2aguy]

And that’s how you shut irosie91 the fuck up.

you imagine that nurses know nothing about medicine, dingfuck?
You are very extremely stupid, dingshit. The orderlies know more
than do you and your sunday whore

You are reaping what you sow, Rosie.

The beatings will continue until your morale improves.

So, are you ready to concede that zinc is an ion and requires an ionophore to be transported across a lipid membrane of a cell? Or do you need to see the study which proves it?

and lastly, are you ready to concede that the term invasive ventilators isn’t a phrase I made up but is a term the medical community uses?

try again-----hydroquinolone is not an IONOPHORE. When did I suggest that zinc in absorbable form, Zn +2, is NOT AN ION----
sheeesh ----did you pass grammar school chemistry?

You didn’t watch the video did you?

why would I watch a video that makes the utterly idiotic claim that
hydroxyquinoline is an IONOPHORE ? (for the record---an ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane that surrounds
living cells <<grammar school biology ---poor dingbat flunked)

You mean why would you listen to a doctor explain how this virus works and why zinc disrupts it’s rna replicase and how zinc cannot enter a cell without the aid of an ionphore and the paper which describes the study that proves hydroquinone gets zinc into the cell?

I don’t know. I can only assume it is because you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

the phrase "without the aid of an ionophore...." makes no sense.
An ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane. It would
make sense if you said that hydroquinone MEDIATES or FACILITATES the diffusion of zinc thru an ionophore of the lipoprotein membrane. The component doing the "aiding" in this case would be the
hydroxyquinone. Zinc is a cofactor in a MYRIAD of cellular reactions
and is ubiquitous in the human diet and absolutely necessary in
DNA transcription. Corona is an RNA virus. There is no getting
rid of zinc in the human body or in the human diet, -----but there is some evidence that lots interferes with the ribosomal transcription of the corona virus genome. Thus---the theory is that facilitated
absorption of zinc-------retards the corona rna transcription----ie
its------multiplication (aka -progeny)

I guess you missed the paper that showed the zinc entering the cells.

maybe you should write a paper telling them what they did wrong.

there is a "paper" "that showed the zinc entering the cells"
SHEEEEESH ---is that supposed to be news? The vital role
of zinc as a cofactor in human physiology is "NEWS"? It works
like this----ZINC is component of the stuff you eat. ------you cannot avoid it. It exists in just about all foods in small amounts----but small amounts is all you need. It is a cofactor in hundreds of
chemical reactions in your little body and has to be ingested and ---then absorbed into cells THRU THE LIPO-PROTEIN membrane-----like all other ions (cations and anions----like Na and Cl and K ---etc )--
thru IONOPHORES in the lipo-protein membrane ----------is this
stuff now being called "NEWS"? For practical purposes
PHORE means "hole"--------in the case of the lipoprotein membrane
it refers to points of passage. Such points can be FACILITATED
by the presence of various compounds. It's NEWS???

Yes. Maybe you have heard about it. It’s called hydroquinone.

not news

It is news because of the implications to treat covid-19.

it's news if you have been in a coma for the past 50 years

No. I’m pretty sure the off label use of hydroquinone to treat against covid-19 and the science behind why it should work are fairly recent developments.

And how the fuck do you run clinical trials in the middle of a pandemic? Do you really take two people with a life-threatening illness and tell one of them, "We're going to give you a placebo so we can measure how much faster your condition worsens compared to that guy?"

You know...that happened with the fight against AIDS in Africa. I heard an interview on the subject years ago.....they introduced condoms to an area where they had a massive AIDS outbreak......when the initial results came in and the condoms were saving lives, they stopped the study and began giving them to all the test subjects......they said they couldn't let people die when they could be saved......

 

[Lesh]

It makes it more difficult to assert a medication resulted in a good outcome when that was the overwhelming likelihood without the medication.

Exactly. If a host of treatments are tried...and one of them is applying leeches...would you reasonably assert that the application of leeches was the definitive reason for recovery?

Of course not

 

[bripat9643]

It makes it more difficult to assert a medication resulted in a good outcome when that was the overwhelming likelihood without the medication.

Exactly. If a host of treatments are tried...and one of them is applying leeches...would you reasonably assert that the application of leeches was the definitive reason for recovery?

Of course not

You ability to commit logic is severely limited, obviously

 

[ding]

And that’s how you shut irosie91 the fuck up.

you imagine that nurses know nothing about medicine, dingfuck?
You are very extremely stupid, dingshit. The orderlies know more
than do you and your sunday whore

You are reaping what you sow, Rosie.

The beatings will continue until your morale improves.

So, are you ready to concede that zinc is an ion and requires an ionophore to be transported across a lipid membrane of a cell? Or do you need to see the study which proves it?

and lastly, are you ready to concede that the term invasive ventilators isn’t a phrase I made up but is a term the medical community uses?

try again-----hydroquinolone is not an IONOPHORE. When did I suggest that zinc in absorbable form, Zn +2, is NOT AN ION----
sheeesh ----did you pass grammar school chemistry?

You didn’t watch the video did you?

why would I watch a video that makes the utterly idiotic claim that
hydroxyquinoline is an IONOPHORE ? (for the record---an ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane that surrounds
living cells <<grammar school biology ---poor dingbat flunked)

You mean why would you listen to a doctor explain how this virus works and why zinc disrupts it’s rna replicase and how zinc cannot enter a cell without the aid of an ionphore and the paper which describes the study that proves hydroquinone gets zinc into the cell?

I don’t know. I can only assume it is because you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

the phrase "without the aid of an ionophore...." makes no sense.
An ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane. It would
make sense if you said that hydroquinone MEDIATES or FACILITATES the diffusion of zinc thru an ionophore of the lipoprotein membrane. The component doing the "aiding" in this case would be the
hydroxyquinone. Zinc is a cofactor in a MYRIAD of cellular reactions
and is ubiquitous in the human diet and absolutely necessary in
DNA transcription. Corona is an RNA virus. There is no getting
rid of zinc in the human body or in the human diet, -----but there is some evidence that lots interferes with the ribosomal transcription of the corona virus genome. Thus---the theory is that facilitated
absorption of zinc-------retards the corona rna transcription----ie
its------multiplication (aka -progeny)

I guess you missed the paper that showed the zinc entering the cells.

maybe you should write a paper telling them what they did wrong.

there is a "paper" "that showed the zinc entering the cells"
SHEEEEESH ---is that supposed to be news? The vital role
of zinc as a cofactor in human physiology is "NEWS"? It works
like this----ZINC is component of the stuff you eat. ------you cannot avoid it. It exists in just about all foods in small amounts----but small amounts is all you need. It is a cofactor in hundreds of
chemical reactions in your little body and has to be ingested and ---then absorbed into cells THRU THE LIPO-PROTEIN membrane-----like all other ions (cations and anions----like Na and Cl and K ---etc )--
thru IONOPHORES in the lipo-protein membrane ----------is this
stuff now being called "NEWS"? For practical purposes
PHORE means "hole"--------in the case of the lipoprotein membrane
it refers to points of passage. Such points can be FACILITATED
by the presence of various compounds. It's NEWS???

Yes. Maybe you have heard about it. It’s called hydroquinone.

not news

It is news because of the implications to treat covid-19.

it's news if you have been in a coma for the past 50 years

No. I’m pretty sure the off label use of hydroquinone to treat against covid-19 and the science behind why it should work are fairly recent developments.

And how the fuck do you run clinical trials in the middle of a pandemic? Do you really take two people with a life-threatening illness and tell one of them, "We're going to give you a placebo so we can measure how much faster your condition worsens compared to that guy?"

I wouldn’t want that.

 

[Lesh]

You ability to commit logic is severely limited, obviously

No one will ever accuse you of "comitting logic"

 

[Rocko]

That doesn’t make sense. If doctors are so desperate why are they using this particular drug?

They are using that...and lots more.

They are desperate

Doctors aren’t using a plethora of drugs. They’re using Hydroxychloroquine(plaquenil brand name), chloroquine, azithromycin, Remdesivir, and certain steroids. These are commonly used drug treatments by doctors all over the world. I don’t know for sure how effective Hydroxychloroquine is, but doctors obviously think it’s worth a shot and my mom says it helped her, so I’m inclined to believe the drug has some degree of effectiveness. And again your argument that doctors are trying it just because they’re desperate is foolish. Why are most doctors all around the world trying one drug out of desperation and not a billion others instead?! Stop injecting politics into the discussion and using talking points that don’t add up. I don’t give a shit about politics, I don’t know how one can use this virus as a political football like you guys are continually doing.

 

[Lesh]

Doctors aren’t using a plethora of drugs. They’re using Hydroxychloroquine(plaquenil brand name), chloroquine, azithromycin, Remdesivir, and certain steroids.

A. They are using a number of drugs in different combinations
B. They have no real way of know which if any are effective given the number of cases that "self resolve"

The Mayo Clinic ( I believe) is doing an actual blind study. We'll have a better understanding then

What's clear is that if this drug DOES help (and it may)...it is no magic bullet

 

[2aguy]

Doctors aren’t using a plethora of drugs. They’re using Hydroxychloroquine(plaquenil brand name), chloroquine, azithromycin, Remdesivir, and certain steroids.

A. They are using a number of drugs in different combinations
B. They have no real way of know which if any are effective given the number of cases that "self resolve"

The Mayo Clinic ( I believe) is doing an actual blind study. We'll have a better understanding then

What's clear is that if this drug DOES help (and it may)...it is no magic bullet

Yes...it is no magic bullet, you still have only a 98% chance of surviving the virus if you get it....

 

[Lesh]

Yes...it is no magic bullet, you still have only a 98% chance of surviving the virus if you get it....

Apparently with or without this "miracle drug"

 

[2aguy]

Yes...it is no magic bullet, you still have only a 98% chance of surviving the virus if you get it....

Apparently with or without this "miracle drug"

Yep...which is why this lockdown is a scam.....a political attack to shut down the U.S. economy before the election.

 

[irosie91]

And that’s how you shut irosie91 the fuck up.

you imagine that nurses know nothing about medicine, dingfuck?
You are very extremely stupid, dingshit. The orderlies know more
than do you and your sunday whore

You are reaping what you sow, Rosie.

The beatings will continue until your morale improves.

So, are you ready to concede that zinc is an ion and requires an ionophore to be transported across a lipid membrane of a cell? Or do you need to see the study which proves it?

and lastly, are you ready to concede that the term invasive ventilators isn’t a phrase I made up but is a term the medical community uses?

try again-----hydroquinolone is not an IONOPHORE. When did I suggest that zinc in absorbable form, Zn +2, is NOT AN ION----
sheeesh ----did you pass grammar school chemistry?

You didn’t watch the video did you?

why would I watch a video that makes the utterly idiotic claim that
hydroxyquinoline is an IONOPHORE ? (for the record---an ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane that surrounds
living cells <<grammar school biology ---poor dingbat flunked)

You mean why would you listen to a doctor explain how this virus works and why zinc disrupts it’s rna replicase and how zinc cannot enter a cell without the aid of an ionphore and the paper which describes the study that proves hydroquinone gets zinc into the cell?

I don’t know. I can only assume it is because you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

the phrase "without the aid of an ionophore...." makes no sense.
An ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane. It would
make sense if you said that hydroquinone MEDIATES or FACILITATES the diffusion of zinc thru an ionophore of the lipoprotein membrane. The component doing the "aiding" in this case would be the
hydroxyquinone. Zinc is a cofactor in a MYRIAD of cellular reactions
and is ubiquitous in the human diet and absolutely necessary in
DNA transcription. Corona is an RNA virus. There is no getting
rid of zinc in the human body or in the human diet, -----but there is some evidence that lots interferes with the ribosomal transcription of the corona virus genome. Thus---the theory is that facilitated
absorption of zinc-------retards the corona rna transcription----ie
its------multiplication (aka -progeny)

I guess you missed the paper that showed the zinc entering the cells.

maybe you should write a paper telling them what they did wrong.

there is a "paper" "that showed the zinc entering the cells"
SHEEEEESH ---is that supposed to be news? The vital role
of zinc as a cofactor in human physiology is "NEWS"? It works
like this----ZINC is component of the stuff you eat. ------you cannot avoid it. It exists in just about all foods in small amounts----but small amounts is all you need. It is a cofactor in hundreds of
chemical reactions in your little body and has to be ingested and ---then absorbed into cells THRU THE LIPO-PROTEIN membrane-----like all other ions (cations and anions----like Na and Cl and K ---etc )--
thru IONOPHORES in the lipo-protein membrane ----------is this
stuff now being called "NEWS"? For practical purposes
PHORE means "hole"--------in the case of the lipoprotein membrane
it refers to points of passage. Such points can be FACILITATED
by the presence of various compounds. It's NEWS???

Yes. Maybe you have heard about it. It’s called hydroquinone.

not news

It is news because of the implications to treat covid-19.

it's news if you have been in a coma for the past 50 years

No. I’m pretty sure the off label use of hydroquinone to treat against covid-19 and the science behind why it should work are fairly recent developments.

OH !!!!! that hydroxyquinone might facilitate the ionophore transfer of zinc thru the lipoprotein membrane is a kinda new
THINGY-------OK----that could be. SO?

 

[ding]

And that’s how you shut irosie91 the fuck up.

you imagine that nurses know nothing about medicine, dingfuck?
You are very extremely stupid, dingshit. The orderlies know more
than do you and your sunday whore

You are reaping what you sow, Rosie.

The beatings will continue until your morale improves.

So, are you ready to concede that zinc is an ion and requires an ionophore to be transported across a lipid membrane of a cell? Or do you need to see the study which proves it?

and lastly, are you ready to concede that the term invasive ventilators isn’t a phrase I made up but is a term the medical community uses?

try again-----hydroquinolone is not an IONOPHORE. When did I suggest that zinc in absorbable form, Zn +2, is NOT AN ION----
sheeesh ----did you pass grammar school chemistry?

You didn’t watch the video did you?

why would I watch a video that makes the utterly idiotic claim that
hydroxyquinoline is an IONOPHORE ? (for the record---an ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane that surrounds
living cells <<grammar school biology ---poor dingbat flunked)

You mean why would you listen to a doctor explain how this virus works and why zinc disrupts it’s rna replicase and how zinc cannot enter a cell without the aid of an ionphore and the paper which describes the study that proves hydroquinone gets zinc into the cell?

I don’t know. I can only assume it is because you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

the phrase "without the aid of an ionophore...." makes no sense.
An ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane. It would
make sense if you said that hydroquinone MEDIATES or FACILITATES the diffusion of zinc thru an ionophore of the lipoprotein membrane. The component doing the "aiding" in this case would be the
hydroxyquinone. Zinc is a cofactor in a MYRIAD of cellular reactions
and is ubiquitous in the human diet and absolutely necessary in
DNA transcription. Corona is an RNA virus. There is no getting
rid of zinc in the human body or in the human diet, -----but there is some evidence that lots interferes with the ribosomal transcription of the corona virus genome. Thus---the theory is that facilitated
absorption of zinc-------retards the corona rna transcription----ie
its------multiplication (aka -progeny)

I guess you missed the paper that showed the zinc entering the cells.

maybe you should write a paper telling them what they did wrong.

there is a "paper" "that showed the zinc entering the cells"
SHEEEEESH ---is that supposed to be news? The vital role
of zinc as a cofactor in human physiology is "NEWS"? It works
like this----ZINC is component of the stuff you eat. ------you cannot avoid it. It exists in just about all foods in small amounts----but small amounts is all you need. It is a cofactor in hundreds of
chemical reactions in your little body and has to be ingested and ---then absorbed into cells THRU THE LIPO-PROTEIN membrane-----like all other ions (cations and anions----like Na and Cl and K ---etc )--
thru IONOPHORES in the lipo-protein membrane ----------is this
stuff now being called "NEWS"? For practical purposes
PHORE means "hole"--------in the case of the lipoprotein membrane
it refers to points of passage. Such points can be FACILITATED
by the presence of various compounds. It's NEWS???

Yes. Maybe you have heard about it. It’s called hydroquinone.

not news

It is news because of the implications to treat covid-19.

it's news if you have been in a coma for the past 50 years

No. I’m pretty sure the off label use of hydroquinone to treat against covid-19 and the science behind why it should work are fairly recent developments.

OH !!!!! that hydroxyquinone might facilitate the ionophore transfer of zinc thru the lipoprotein membrane is a kinda new
THINGY-------OK----that could be. SO?

So now you have an idea of why it works.

 

[irosie91]

And that’s how you shut irosie91 the fuck up.

you imagine that nurses know nothing about medicine, dingfuck?
You are very extremely stupid, dingshit. The orderlies know more
than do you and your sunday whore

You are reaping what you sow, Rosie.

The beatings will continue until your morale improves.

So, are you ready to concede that zinc is an ion and requires an ionophore to be transported across a lipid membrane of a cell? Or do you need to see the study which proves it?

and lastly, are you ready to concede that the term invasive ventilators isn’t a phrase I made up but is a term the medical community uses?

try again-----hydroquinolone is not an IONOPHORE. When did I suggest that zinc in absorbable form, Zn +2, is NOT AN ION----
sheeesh ----did you pass grammar school chemistry?

You didn’t watch the video did you?

why would I watch a video that makes the utterly idiotic claim that
hydroxyquinoline is an IONOPHORE ? (for the record---an ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane that surrounds
living cells <<grammar school biology ---poor dingbat flunked)

You mean why would you listen to a doctor explain how this virus works and why zinc disrupts it’s rna replicase and how zinc cannot enter a cell without the aid of an ionphore and the paper which describes the study that proves hydroquinone gets zinc into the cell?

I don’t know. I can only assume it is because you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

the phrase "without the aid of an ionophore...." makes no sense.
An ionophore is a feature of the lipo-protein membrane. It would
make sense if you said that hydroquinone MEDIATES or FACILITATES the diffusion of zinc thru an ionophore of the lipoprotein membrane. The component doing the "aiding" in this case would be the
hydroxyquinone. Zinc is a cofactor in a MYRIAD of cellular reactions
and is ubiquitous in the human diet and absolutely necessary in
DNA transcription. Corona is an RNA virus. There is no getting
rid of zinc in the human body or in the human diet, -----but there is some evidence that lots interferes with the ribosomal transcription of the corona virus genome. Thus---the theory is that facilitated
absorption of zinc-------retards the corona rna transcription----ie
its------multiplication (aka -progeny)

I guess you missed the paper that showed the zinc entering the cells.

maybe you should write a paper telling them what they did wrong.

there is a "paper" "that showed the zinc entering the cells"
SHEEEEESH ---is that supposed to be news? The vital role
of zinc as a cofactor in human physiology is "NEWS"? It works
like this----ZINC is component of the stuff you eat. ------you cannot avoid it. It exists in just about all foods in small amounts----but small amounts is all you need. It is a cofactor in hundreds of
chemical reactions in your little body and has to be ingested and ---then absorbed into cells THRU THE LIPO-PROTEIN membrane-----like all other ions (cations and anions----like Na and Cl and K ---etc )--
thru IONOPHORES in the lipo-protein membrane ----------is this
stuff now being called "NEWS"? For practical purposes
PHORE means "hole"--------in the case of the lipoprotein membrane
it refers to points of passage. Such points can be FACILITATED
by the presence of various compounds. It's NEWS???

Yes. Maybe you have heard about it. It’s called hydroquinone.

not news

It is news because of the implications to treat covid-19.

it's news if you have been in a coma for the past 50 years

No. I’m pretty sure the off label use of hydroquinone to treat against covid-19 and the science behind why it should work are fairly recent developments.

OH !!!!! that hydroxyquinone might facilitate the ionophore transfer of zinc thru the lipoprotein membrane is a kinda new
THINGY-------OK----that could be. SO?

So now you have an idea of why it works.

it is still not clear that it has a significant effect in the actual natural history of coronavirus pathology. So now you have
some vague idea as to what constitutes an IONOPHORE? ---probably not

 

[Cecilie1200]

If the CDC and NIH were doing their job they would already know if the drug works or not

they should watch less porn and do more work

Really? And how would that happen? Please, be specific about the no-doubt-copious amounts of information you have on how the medical establishment comes to know if a drug works or not, and how long it takes.

They would have a mountain of data on the drug already as it applies to other corona virus

Why? No one's tried it on other coronaviruses that I'm aware of.

Try again.