Current COVID-19 Mortality Rate: 1.35%

[Missourian]

Yes, it does have a very low mortality rate.

The flu, which Trump and the Hive Mind stupidly compare to COVID-19, has a mortality rate of 0.1%.

1.35% is 13.5 times more fatal than the flu.

So the next time you hear a Trumptard talk about the umpteen thousand people who die each year from the flu, multiply their number by 13.5, and that will explain why we should have reacted much more quickly and with greater force to this "hoax".

Problems with this post.

1) Hoax lie.

2) When Trump took the steps...the media and Democrats called him alarmist, xenophobic and racist.

3) There are three branches of government...what were the Democrats doing? Oh yeah, they were impeaching the president...what a fuck up that was...wasting time and a huge distraction from Chinese Virus Covid19.

4) The expected mortality rate was nearly TWICE that number. And if I remember correctly, that was on the low end of the predicted mortality. 1.35% means we're doing something right

5) No matter what Trump did the media and the partisans are going to criticize him...because they have an agenda. Ordinary Americans think Trump is doing a tremendous job so far.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I'd like to see the CDC put up the numbers for the seasonal Flu deaths and compare them to Covid-19.

I'd also like to see how many people died of cancer, heart disease, and lung disease too.

Why aren't they publishing those?

The CDC purposely left out mild cases of the virus when comparing to the seasonal flu.

Had they added in the minor cases of corona, the seasonal flu is shown to be twice as deadly.

Unfortunately people are lazy. The mass media just ran with the completey skewed data that the CDC selectively chose for comparison and people never even checked the actual data.

And, of course, that became the narrative.

Here you go, here's an explanation...



''...take a look at the numbers from the W.H.O. and in an “apples to apples” comparison, the Coronavirus has HALF the mortality rate of the seasonal flu when it comes to "death to confirmed cases" ratio.''

the explanation - Coronavirus isnt the flu.

dumbshit

It is a virus that is transmitted exactly like the flu.

Dumbshit.

let me explain so a 1st grader gets it -

duck and a chicken

both have feathers
both can fly
both are birds

a duck can swim
a chicken cant swim


humans are immune to the flu - go to WALGREENS AND GET A SHOT TO INHANCE YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM

humans have no immunity to coronavirus - NONE

COVID-19 and the Flu can both spread from person-to-person through droplets in the air from an infected person sneezing or coughing, or even talking. Both can also be spread by an infected person before symptoms appear.

One difference is that novel 2019 coronavirus might be spread through airborne droplets that remain in the air after the infected person is no longer in the area.


get it FUZZNUTS

Humans are not immune to the flu.

Fuckwit

Typically humans who contract and get over it are immune to that specific flu from then on. The problem lies in the fact that viruses have a habit of mutating to a form that there is no built-up human immunity for..... that's why the Coronavirus is called "novel" I believe. Flu shots give you a lessor infection to fool your immune cells into becoming stronger against that particular strain. You may even experience some uncomfortable symptoms after getting that flu shot. So far there is no shot for the coronavirus developed yet but I believe they are working on it.

There is an intense global competition to develop a vaccine and a few have already entered human testing, but I have read that so far no one has been able to produce a vaccine for any coronavirus.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But in the context of comparing the US to Europe, whereas in this thread the assertion has been continually made that the US will suffer the same disaster as Italy and no experts in CDC or WHO has made that claim.

They absolutely have made the claim that it could be as bad here as in Italy. Multiple times.

Fauci said it word for word

So did the Surgeon General.

The WHO very explicitly, just today, warned that the US could become the new epicenter. The current epicenter is Italy. So that is an explicit warning that the US could be as bad as Italy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Me and many like me have said repeatedly that the overreaction and shutdown of America is the hoax.

Yes, moron, I know. You are truly a global embarrassment. The best part is when you point to countries that have done even more than us and their numbers to support your fucking idiotic argument.

 

[toomuchtime_]

But in the context of comparing the US to Europe, whereas in this thread the assertion has been continually made that the US will suffer the same disaster as Italy and no experts in CDC or WHO has made that claim.

They absolutely have made the claim that it could be as bad here as in Italy. Multiple times.

Fauci said it word for word

So did the Surgeon General.

The WHO very explicitly, just today, warned that the US could become the new epicenter. The current epicenter is Italy. So that is an explicit warning that the US could be as bad as Italy.

Not one word of your post is true. Here's what the WHO spokesperson said,

Asked whether the United States could overtake Europe as the epicenter of COVID-19, Harris said: “We are now seeing a very large acceleration in the number of cases from the US, so it does have that potential.

“We cannot say that that is the case yet but it does have that potential. They have a very large outbreak and an outbreak increasing in intensity.”

US could overtake Europe as next epicenter of pandemic, WHO warns

Global body says 85% of new COVID-19 cases reported overnight came from America and Europe, now the two 'main drivers of the outbreak'

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Sun Devil 92]

But in the context of comparing the US to Europe, whereas in this thread the assertion has been continually made that the US will suffer the same disaster as Italy and no experts in CDC or WHO has made that claim.

They absolutely have made the claim that it could be as bad here as in Italy. Multiple times.

Fauci said it word for word

So did the Surgeon General.

The WHO very explicitly, just today, warned that the US could become the new epicenter. The current epicenter is Italy. So that is an explicit warning that the US could be as bad as Italy.

You have a big enough bed to hid your fat ass under ?

It's funny that you have to look to them to back you up.

New York is already headed in that direction. But, we'll see how many deaths they report today.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Me and many like me have said repeatedly that the overreaction and shutdown of America is the hoax.

Yes, moron, I know. You are truly a global embarrassment. The best part is when you point to countries that have done even more than us and their numbers to support your fucking idiotic argument.

It's great you think you know what you are talking about.

I like watching someone make an ass out of themselves with total confidence.

You have no refute, only commentary.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Asked whether the United States could overtake Europe as the epicenter of COVID-19, Harris said: “We are now seeing a very large acceleration in the number of cases from the US, so it does have that potential.

That is her explicitly warning that the US has the potential to be as bad as Italy. Thanks for the assist.

And the surgeon general and Fauci both said it as well. "Could be as bad as Italy". Literally word for word. Those are facts you just claimed to be false.

I think we're done, here. I can't really do anything else to show you that you are full of shit.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

But in the context of comparing the US to Europe, whereas in this thread the assertion has been continually made that the US will suffer the same disaster as Italy and no experts in CDC or WHO has made that claim.

They absolutely have made the claim that it could be as bad here as in Italy. Multiple times.

Fauci said it word for word

So did the Surgeon General.

The WHO very explicitly, just today, warned that the US could become the new epicenter. The current epicenter is Italy. So that is an explicit warning that the US could be as bad as Italy.

Not one word of your post is true. Here's what the WHO spokesperson said,

Asked whether the United States could overtake Europe as the epicenter of COVID-19, Harris said: “We are now seeing a very large acceleration in the number of cases from the US, so it does have that potential.

“We cannot say that that is the case yet but it does have that potential. They have a very large outbreak and an outbreak increasing in intensity.”

US could overtake Europe as next epicenter of pandemic, WHO warns

Global body says 85% of new COVID-19 cases reported overnight came from America and Europe, now the two 'main drivers of the outbreak'

www.timesofisrael.com

And that outbreak is taking place in a very localized area.

 

[DBA]

But in the context of comparing the US to Europe, whereas in this thread the assertion has been continually made that the US will suffer the same disaster as Italy and no experts in CDC or WHO has made that claim.

They absolutely have made the claim that it could be as bad here as in Italy. Multiple times.

Fauci said it word for word

So did the Surgeon General.

The WHO very explicitly, just today, warned that the US could become the new epicenter. The current epicenter is Italy. So that is an explicit warning that the US could be as bad as Italy.

The WHO are idiots. They are also the yahoos that don't rank US healthcare as the top in the world despite the obvious that it clearly is, in terms of quality.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Asked whether the United States could overtake Europe as the epicenter of COVID-19, Harris said: “We are now seeing a very large acceleration in the number of cases from the US, so it does have that potential.

That is her explicitly warning that the US has the potential to be as bad as Italy. Thanks for the assist.

And the surgeon general and Fauci both said it as well. Those are facts you just claimed to be false.

I think we're done, here. I can't really do anything else to show you that you are full of shit.

You were done before you started. So running away only makes sense.

Hope you sleep well having kidded yourself into thinking you might have a brain.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Asked whether the United States could overtake Europe as the epicenter of COVID-19, Harris said: “We are now seeing a very large acceleration in the number of cases from the US, so it does have that potential.

That is her explicitly warning that the US has the potential to be as bad as Italy. Thanks for the assist.

And the surgeon general and Fauci both said it as well. Those are facts you just claimed to be false.

I think we're done, here. I can't really do anything else to show you that you are full of shit.

lol There you go again capable of nothing by lies.

 

[Rigby5]

Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.

This is from the CDC site TODAY:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.

www.cdc.gov

you don't actually know the number of total cases all you know is the number of positive test results.

But if the actual number of cases is even higher due to lack of testing, then the death rate is even lower.
The highest death rate so far is Italy, with 4.4%.
The lowest death rate so far is Germany, with 0.4%.
The US likely will be somewhere around 1.5%.

 

[colfax_m]

The mortality rate is being misquoted. It’s not 1.5% of the population that dies nor 1.5% if the tested nor 1.5% of the infecteds. It’s 1.5% of the hospitalized and/or cases diagnosed as “severe or critical”
If I’m wrong I’ll say so and stand down but you that are throwing these numbers out as percentage of USA population must stand down

The mortality rate being used is the percent of confirmed cases of infection that die. Presently, it is 1.41% in the US.

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

Ok. Other charts I have seen dealt with deaths from hospitalizations and/or severe to critical cases most of which were hospitalized
1.41% of positives is not adding a lot of clarity because we dont know how many tested total and how many of that total tested pisitive
I’m going to say that 1% of all Americans have been tested so 3.5 million. I’m going to offer for discussion sake that 10% have tested positive so 350,000. Out of that 1.4% die or about 5,000 and we are actually not even close to 5k so I’m too high by a factor of 7x
Let me follow through though and correct that 7x at the end
350 million Americans, 35 million get it. 1.4% die or 500,000 but I can see my calculation are 7x too hight so 500k divides by 7 equals 70,000 total deaths. That’s a sobering number but not worth a devastating and full scale shutdown of America.!

Only about 250,000 have been tested...in the USA, out of 330 million residents.

We do not have enough tests....

That is the main problem of why we could not slow the spread, and why we can't get more accurate guesstimates.

I haven't been tested for cancer, because I have no cancer symptoms. Do you understand how testing works now?

Mammograms
Colonoscopies
PSAs
We screen asymptomatic people for cancer all the time

 

[colfax_m]

Just like the “you said hoax” bogus cries we need to get another thing set right

Oh, sorry, you're delusional. Trump called the whole thing a hoax. It's a fact. And you agreed. You still agree. That's the weirdest thing about your posts, really. You might be somewhat mentally ill.

Tantrum again
Me and many like me have said repeatedly that the overreaction and shutdown of America is the hoax. We have never called the virus itself a hoax and have said it is just as real as the many that have preceded it,
When the facts are not on your side then lie and misquote or lie about what others have said

But it’s not an overreaction, is it. Trump’s own CDC is recommending action that you’re referring to as a hoax.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, it does have a very low mortality rate.
The highest is Italy, with 4%, and Germany has kept it as low as 0.4%.
So this is not the big threat some fear it might have become.
China shows the total is not that bad, since they are over it mostly.

But what we DO have to remember is that COVID-19 is not going away.
Everyone will get it eventually, if not this year, then in one of the following years.
And it will get more lethal over time.
The safest way to get resistance is to get it sooner rather than later.
However, if they get a successful vaccine, that would be best.

we do not know the actual mortality rate because we do not know exactly how many people have had the virus and recovered without seeking medical assistance or who met the threshold for a Dr to recommend they get tested

The same is true for the flu.

The same metrics are being used here.

The coronavirus is 13.5 times more fatal than the flu.

No COVID-19 is NOT 13.5 times more fatal than the 2009 flu.

A very small % of the population is susceptible to COVID-19 and will get it.
In comparison, over 60 million got the H1N1 flu in the US in 2009.
{... CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. ...}

The percentage of those who get it that die is not nearly as important as the death percentage of the entire population.
And when you use that, flu is far more deadly than COVID-19.

 

[Rigby5]

The mortality rate is being misquoted. It’s not 1.5% of the population that dies nor 1.5% if the tested nor 1.5% of the infecteds. It’s 1.5% of the hospitalized and/or cases diagnosed as “severe or critical”
If I’m wrong I’ll say so and stand down but you that are throwing these numbers out as percentage of USA population must stand down

The mortality rate being used is the percent of confirmed cases of infection that die. Presently, it is 1.41% in the US.

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

Ok. Other charts I have seen dealt with deaths from hospitalizations and/or severe to critical cases most of which were hospitalized
1.41% of positives is not adding a lot of clarity because we dont know how many tested total and how many of that total tested pisitive
I’m going to say that 1% of all Americans have been tested so 3.5 million. I’m going to offer for discussion sake that 10% have tested positive so 350,000. Out of that 1.4% die or about 5,000 and we are actually not even close to 5k so I’m too high by a factor of 7x
Let me follow through though and correct that 7x at the end
350 million Americans, 35 million get it. 1.4% die or 500,000 but I can see my calculation are 7x too hight so 500k divides by 7 equals 70,000 total deaths. That’s a sobering number but not worth a devastating and full scale shutdown of America.!

Only about 250,000 have been tested...in the USA, out of 330 million residents.

We do not have enough tests....

That is the main problem of why we could not slow the spread, and why we can't get more accurate guesstimates.

I haven't been tested for cancer, because I have no cancer symptoms. Do you understand how testing works now?

Mammograms
Colonoscopies
PSAs
We screen asymptomatic people for cancer all the time

But not on an urgent basis.
I had to wait 9 months for my colonoscopy.

 

[colfax_m]

But in the context of comparing the US to Europe, whereas in this thread the assertion has been continually made that the US will suffer the same disaster as Italy and no experts in CDC or WHO has made that claim.

They absolutely have made the claim that it could be as bad here as in Italy. Multiple times.

Fauci said it word for word

So did the Surgeon General.

The WHO very explicitly, just today, warned that the US could become the new epicenter. The current epicenter is Italy. So that is an explicit warning that the US could be as bad as Italy.

The WHO are idiots. They are also the yahoos that don't rank US healthcare as the top in the world despite the obvious that it clearly is, in terms of quality.

Undoubtedly, we have the best healthcare system, for those who can afford it.

But if you look at the system as a whole, it is not up to par with the many other nations of the industrialized world.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, it does have a very low mortality rate.

The flu, which Trump and the Hive Mind stupidly compare to COVID-19, has a mortality rate of 0.1%.

1.35% is 13.5 times more fatal than the flu.

So the next time you hear a Trumptard talk about the umpteen thousand people who die each year from the flu, multiply their number by 13.5, and that will explain why we should have reacted much more quickly and with greater force to this "hoax".

Wrong.

The flu infected 38 to 54 million people in the US this year.
The flu killed 23 to 59 thousand people in the US this year.

Preliminary In-Season 2021-2022 Flu Burden Estimates

CDC's weekly cumulative in-season estimates of flu cases, medical visits, hospitalizations and deaths in the United States.

www.cdc.gov

So the flu then is far more deadly then COVID-19.
China only has 21 thousand COVID-19 deaths this year, and has about 5 times the population of the US. Devide 21 thousand by 5 and you get a reasonable estimate for the US. Which is only about 4 thousand.

 

[CowboyTed]

Yes, it does have a very low mortality rate.
The highest is Italy, with 4%, and Germany has kept it as low as 0.4%.
So this is not the big threat some fear it might have become.
China shows the total is not that bad, since they are over it mostly.

But what we DO have to remember is that COVID-19 is not going away.
Everyone will get it eventually, if not this year, then in one of the following years.
And it will get more lethal over time.
The safest way to get resistance is to get it sooner rather than later.
However, if they get a successful vaccine, that would be best.

we do not know the actual mortality rate because we do not know exactly how many people have had the virus and recovered without seeking medical assistance or who met the threshold for a Dr to recommend they get tested

The same is true for the flu.

The same metrics are being used here.

The coronavirus is 13.5 times more fatal than the flu.

g5000,

We don't know how many have actually recovered... So while we might have that many cases we tell are presently in ICU...

There is also the other thing to consider...

US clusters have been generally younger so far, this helps Mortality rates.
The hospitals are not over run yet, 40% end up in hospital I think 20% need respiratory help.... These resources become short supply as the numbers go up... I will point out that Italy has a top notch Health System and North Italy is the wealthiest part of Italy. They got over whelmed in a few weeks... That is how the mortality rate jumps dramatically..

Just to point out in Ireland, they have 1,400 case and over 200 were health workers... The health system will collapse quickly if the numbers are not aggressively tackled.