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False. You cannot walk into any HHS clinic and get insulin on demand based on income, indefinitely. They will help you find people who accept your Medicaid. You are just making shit up.It's all true
That's simply NOT TRUE, Italy is ranked one of the best healthcare systems in EU.They absolutely have made the claim that it could be as bad here as in Italy. Multiple times.But in the context of comparing the US to Europe, whereas in this thread the assertion has been continually made that the US will suffer the same disaster as Italy and no experts in CDC or WHO has made that claim.
Fauci said it word for word
So did the Surgeon General.
The WHO very explicitly, just today, warned that the US could become the new epicenter. The current epicenter is Italy. So that is an explicit warning that the US could be as bad as Italy.
But anyone saying it could be as bad here as Italy is not being honest.
I just talked with European doctors, and they tell me Italy always has a substandard medical system, and Italy has the single oldest population on the planet.
Italy is the most dense population and physical contact of all of Europe.
I’m hesitant to read too much into it if cases are so well under tested in this country.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.www.cdc.gov
Problems with this post.
1) Hoax lie.
2) When Trump took the steps...the media and Democrats called him alarmist, xenophobic and racist.
3) There are three branches of government...what were the Democrats doing? Oh yeah, they were impeaching the president...what a fuck up that was...wasting time and a huge distraction from Chinese Virus Covid19.
4) The expected mortality rate was nearly TWICE that number. And if I remember correctly, that was on the low end of the predicted mortality. 1.35% means we're doing something right
5) No matter what Trump did the media and the partisans are going to criticize him...because they have an agenda. Ordinary Americans think Trump is doing a tremendous job so far.
No, you can go there as long as you like even if you have health insurance and they will provide you with tests and medications of a sliding scale basis for as long as you are a patient.False. You cannot walk into any HHS clinic and get insulin on demand based on income, indefinitely. They will help you find people who accept your Medicaid. You are just making shit up.It's all true
*So far, because it is our largest city, and anyone with a functioning braincell knows that this would first hit our citiesNew York really skewed the numbers.
Damn you are stupid.
False. They will not provide you with insulin on a sliding scale for as long as you are a patient. You are making things up.No, you can go there as long as you like even if you have health insurance and they will provide you with tests and medications of a sliding scale basis for as long as you are a patient.
Right, you lie by omission, to try to make a fucking retarded point. . As you probably do not recall, being that your brain has been turned to tapioca by Trump, I had to correct you in the exact same manner yesterday.But I don't recall saying those were not the reasons
That's based on reported cases. It doesn't include unreported cases. The estimates I've seen say only 14% of cases are reported. That means the actual mortality rate is 0.189%Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
This is what I was thinking of:I have no idea what you have been reading or who you consider an expert but no one at the CDC or WHO has made such a prediction. You say you are paying attention to what the experts say, but none of them have said that.Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPoliticswww.realclearpolitics.com
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.theintercept.com
And their first local case on 2-22
Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.globalnews.ca
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.www.abc.net.au
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.www.aljazeera.com
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.From what I've read, we don't really know why flu viruses seem to disappear in warm weather, so we don't know if this virus will react the same way, so there is some reason to hope for the best. In fact, we don't know at this point if we are approaching the peak of the curve or not.Don't put TOO much reliance on the temperature for solving this problem. The article I linked didn't go into any actual #'s so I don't know just how much of a slow down it will provide. The fact that the warmer states (except Louisiana) seem to be experiencing less new cases than colder states, it's not that summer is going to lick this thing. Even my article said that warmer weather might help slow transmission ALONG WITH STRICT MEASURES to stop the spread. And how many buildings and homes in the deep south don't have air conditioning running all summer? Cool and dry air is what coronavirus likes.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
foreignpolicy.com
They will and you can test it for yourself. Scroll down the page I gave you to the address box for locations and call one near you and ask them.False. They will not provide you with insulin on a sliding scale for as long as you are a patient. You are making things up.No, you can go there as long as you like even if you have health insurance and they will provide you with tests and medications of a sliding scale basis for as long as you are a patient.
Right, you lie by omission, to try to make a fucking retarded point. . As you probably do not recall, being that your brain has been turned to tapioca by Trump, I had to correct you in the exact same manner yesterday.But I don't recall saying those were not the reasons
I doubt you need one personnel per ventilator. One person can probably manage 6 patients.The death rate will be higher in the next coming months as the hospitals won’t be able to take care of all the sick. Also ventilators are important, but for every ventilator you need a qualified hospital worker to run it. That’s why the shortage of PPE is so important. Hospital workers can’t afford to get sick.
No it doesn't, because that would mean all cases as of now unreported will collectively result in zero deaths. Think these things through before you comment.The estimates I've seen say only 14% of cases are reported. That means the actual mortality rate is 0.189%
Well, the ventilator shortage will fix that problem, won't it?I doubt you need one personnel per ventilator. One person can probably manage 6 patients.
Based on what?The same is true for the flu.we do not know the actual mortality rate because we do not know exactly how many people have had the virus and recovered without seeking medical assistance or who met the threshold for a Dr to recommend they get testedYes, it does have a very low mortality rate.
The highest is Italy, with 4%, and Germany has kept it as low as 0.4%.
So this is not the big threat some fear it might have become.
China shows the total is not that bad, since they are over it mostly.
But what we DO have to remember is that COVID-19 is not going away.
Everyone will get it eventually, if not this year, then in one of the following years.
And it will get more lethal over time.
The safest way to get resistance is to get it sooner rather than later.
However, if they get a successful vaccine, that would be best.
The same metrics are being used here.
The coronavirus is 13.5 times more fatal than the flu.
No it doesn't, because that would mean all cases as of now unreported will collectively result in zero deaths. Think these things through before you comment.The estimates I've seen say only 14% of cases are reported. That means the actual mortality rate is 0.189%
That's pretty much the case, moron. I think if someone was dying of the Wuhan flu they would tell a doctor. Don't you?No it doesn't, because that would mean all cases as of now unreported will collectively result in zero deaths. Think these things through before you comment.The estimates I've seen say only 14% of cases are reported. That means the actual mortality rate is 0.189%
I find your stupid utterly astounding,Well, the ventilator shortage will fix that problem, won't it?I doubt you need one personnel per ventilator. One person can probably manage 6 patients.
WHO didn't predict we would become the next epicenter, she said it was possible based on a couple of days' data. The US has 5 1/2 times as many people as Italy, so it is meaningless to compare raw numbers without adjusting them for the differences in population. We are on the upside of the curve now and no ne knows where the peak is so no one can make sensible predictions on the basis of a few days' data. If we believe the experts at CDC, the higher our infection rate goes, the closer we are to the peak and the slide down to normal.This is what I was thinking of:I have no idea what you have been reading or who you consider an expert but no one at the CDC or WHO has made such a prediction. You say you are paying attention to what the experts say, but none of them have said that.Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.
And their first local case on 2-22Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.From what I've read, we don't really know why flu viruses seem to disappear in warm weather, so we don't know if this virus will react the same way, so there is some reason to hope for the best. In fact, we don't know at this point if we are approaching the peak of the curve or not.Don't put TOO much reliance on the temperature for solving this problem. The article I linked didn't go into any actual #'s so I don't know just how much of a slow down it will provide. The fact that the warmer states (except Louisiana) seem to be experiencing less new cases than colder states, it's not that summer is going to lick this thing. Even my article said that warmer weather might help slow transmission ALONG WITH STRICT MEASURES to stop the spread. And how many buildings and homes in the deep south don't have air conditioning running all summer? Cool and dry air is what coronavirus likes.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
On the same day, Margaret Harris, a spokesperson for the World Health Organization said that the United States has the potential to be the next epicenter of the coronavirus, citing the dramatic increase in cases. The number of cases in the United States has surged from 7,800 cases a week ago to 53,268 cases today.
Is the United States the Coronavirus Pandemic’s New Epicenter?
As the World Health Organization says the U.S. has the potential to become pandemic epicenter, Trump touts opening up the country by Easter.
WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris told reporters Tuesday morning that 85 percent of the previous day’s new confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, were in the United States or Europe. And 40 percent of those cases were reported in the US.
Even as President Donald Trump has begun publicly considering relaxing social distancing guidelines and restarting the economy, Harris warned that the “very large acceleration” in new cases could make the United States the new epicenter for the global pandemic.
The US “has a very large outbreak and an outbreak that is increasing in intensity,” she said, according to a Reuters report.
The virus was first reported in the US on January 20, and it took until March 17 to report the first 100 deaths. But that number has skyrocketed over the past week, and US states reported more than 100 Covid-19-related deaths on Monday alone, marking the first time the death count reached 100 in a single day in the US.
WHO says a third of the newest coronavirus cases worldwide are in the US
Today, Wednesday, there were 200 deaths reported.
Maybe I was wrong to say we would surpass Italy; if so, I apologize. What I was thinking of was that WHO is predicting we will be the next epicenter. Could we surpass Italy at this rate? We have a lot more people, so I was thinking yes we could.
