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Not necessarily. It also means that currently undetected cases could later be detected and result in death.Which means you are saying that people could die from this and no one would know it
He did not tard...stop lying or no one will ever take you seriously here again....you have been lying for two weeks now....Trump called it a Democrat hoax. Then blew it off and went golfing.No one called it a hoax stop lying it only harms your case....The flu, which Trump and the Hive Mind stupidly compare to COVID-19, has a mortality rate of 0.1%.Yes, it does have a very low mortality rate.
1.35% is 13.5 times more fatal than the flu.
So the next time you hear a Trumptard talk about the umpteen thousand people who die each year from the flu, multiply their number by 13.5, and that will explain why we should have reacted much more quickly and with greater force to this "hoax".
What a tard!
Yes, he did. :28 in:
And Fox News did too.
.
You conveniently missed the most important part....the beginning when he said the democrats are politicizing the corona virus...he never called the virus a hoax only the politicization of it....everything the dems do is a hoax....they are the hoax party....
HE DAMN SURE DID
No he didn't....watch the video dummy....
One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it.’ They tried the impeachment hoax,” said Trump. “And this is their new hoax.”
BITE ME
HHS clinics provide medical supplies on a sliding scale basis. There was no need for him to die because of the price of insulin.Not true. Everyone in the US has access to quality healthcare. For those who can't afford private health insurance and are not eligible for Medicaid, HHS operates about 12,000 clinics across the US which provide comprehensive primary care on a sliding scale basis and if you need care beyond what they can provide, hospitals will admit you if you sign papers accepting responsibility for your bills.Undoubtedly, we have the best healthcare system, for those who can afford it.They absolutely have made the claim that it could be as bad here as in Italy. Multiple times.But in the context of comparing the US to Europe, whereas in this thread the assertion has been continually made that the US will suffer the same disaster as Italy and no experts in CDC or WHO has made that claim.
Fauci said it word for word
So did the Surgeon General.
The WHO very explicitly, just today, warned that the US could become the new epicenter. The current epicenter is Italy. So that is an explicit warning that the US could be as bad as Italy.
The WHO are idiots. They are also the yahoos that don't rank US healthcare as the top in the world despite the obvious that it clearly is, in terms of quality.
But if you look at the system as a whole, it is not up to par with the many other nations of the industrialized world.
Unfortunately you’ve glossed over a great many holes in our patchwork system.
For example:
Insulin's High Cost Leads To Lethal Rationing
Alec Raeshawn Smith was 23 when diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes and 26 when he died. He couldn't afford $1,300 per month for his insulin and other diabetes supplies, so he tried to stretch the doses.www.npr.org
It's not likely that someone is going to be deathly ill and not call the doctor, dumbass.Not necessarily. It also means that currently undetected cases could later be detected and result in death.Which means you are saying that people could die from this and no one would know it
I know you morons aren't very good at stringing two thoughts together, but this is getting ridiculous.
Actually, 60+ days of data, and ten more days of data than we have on Italy.WHO didn't predict we would become the next epicenter, she said it was possible based on a couple of days' data.
What post was that? I want to use that to harangue him until the end of time.Pogo told me the US mortality rate was over 62%.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.www.cdc.gov
Not all currently undetected cases that will result in death currently involve deathly ill people.It's not likely that someone is going to be deathly ill and not call the doctor, dumbass
No one cares.I’m hesitant to read too much into it if cases are so well under tested in this country.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
OMG.
Pigs just flew and hell froze over.
We agree.
I am having a galactic moment.
This is what I was thinking of:I have no idea what you have been reading or who you consider an expert but no one at the CDC or WHO has made such a prediction. You say you are paying attention to what the experts say, but none of them have said that.Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPoliticswww.realclearpolitics.com
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.theintercept.com
And their first local case on 2-22
Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.globalnews.ca
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.www.abc.net.au
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.www.aljazeera.com
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.From what I've read, we don't really know why flu viruses seem to disappear in warm weather, so we don't know if this virus will react the same way, so there is some reason to hope for the best. In fact, we don't know at this point if we are approaching the peak of the curve or not.Don't put TOO much reliance on the temperature for solving this problem. The article I linked didn't go into any actual #'s so I don't know just how much of a slow down it will provide. The fact that the warmer states (except Louisiana) seem to be experiencing less new cases than colder states, it's not that summer is going to lick this thing. Even my article said that warmer weather might help slow transmission ALONG WITH STRICT MEASURES to stop the spread. And how many buildings and homes in the deep south don't have air conditioning running all summer? Cool and dry air is what coronavirus likes.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
On the same day, Margaret Harris, a spokesperson for the World Health Organization said that the United States has the potential to be the next epicenter of the coronavirus, citing the dramatic increase in cases. The number of cases in the United States has surged from 7,800 cases a week ago to 53,268 cases today.
Is the United States the Coronavirus Pandemic’s New Epicenter?
As the World Health Organization says the U.S. has the potential to become pandemic epicenter, Trump touts opening up the country by Easter.foreignpolicy.com
WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris told reporters Tuesday morning that 85 percent of the previous day’s new confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, were in the United States or Europe. And 40 percent of those cases were reported in the US.
Even as President Donald Trump has begun publicly considering relaxing social distancing guidelines and restarting the economy, Harris warned that the “very large acceleration” in new cases could make the United States the new epicenter for the global pandemic.
The US “has a very large outbreak and an outbreak that is increasing in intensity,” she said, according to a Reuters report.
The virus was first reported in the US on January 20, and it took until March 17 to report the first 100 deaths. But that number has skyrocketed over the past week, and US states reported more than 100 Covid-19-related deaths on Monday alone, marking the first time the death count reached 100 in a single day in the US.
WHO says a third of the newest coronavirus cases worldwide are in the US
Yesterday, Tuesday, there were over 200.
Maybe I was wrong to say we would surpass Italy; if so, I apologize. What I was thinking of was that WHO is predicting we will be the next epicenter. Could we surpass Italy at this rate? We have a lot more people, so I was thinking yes we could.
Fact. He did not call it a hoax.Oh, sorry, you're delusional. Trump called the whole thing a hoax. It's a fact. And you agreed. You still agree. That's the weirdest thing about your posts, really. You might be somewhat mentally ill.Just like the “you said hoax” bogus cries we need to get another thing set right
He sure did. On one side, you have the Trump cultists. On the other, literally everyone else. And the video. Gee, who to believe....Fact. He did not call it a hoax.Oh, sorry, you're delusional. Trump called the whole thing a hoax. It's a fact. And you agreed. You still agree. That's the weirdest thing about your posts, really. You might be somewhat mentally ill.Just like the “you said hoax” bogus cries we need to get another thing set right
That’s good to know, because most cases are unreported. Here in Virginia you call the hospital and unless you’re gasping for air they just say stay home for 2 weeks. Untested, thus unreported.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
This is what I was thinking of:I have no idea what you have been reading or who you consider an expert but no one at the CDC or WHO has made such a prediction. You say you are paying attention to what the experts say, but none of them have said that.Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.
And their first local case on 2-22Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.From what I've read, we don't really know why flu viruses seem to disappear in warm weather, so we don't know if this virus will react the same way, so there is some reason to hope for the best. In fact, we don't know at this point if we are approaching the peak of the curve or not.Don't put TOO much reliance on the temperature for solving this problem. The article I linked didn't go into any actual #'s so I don't know just how much of a slow down it will provide. The fact that the warmer states (except Louisiana) seem to be experiencing less new cases than colder states, it's not that summer is going to lick this thing. Even my article said that warmer weather might help slow transmission ALONG WITH STRICT MEASURES to stop the spread. And how many buildings and homes in the deep south don't have air conditioning running all summer? Cool and dry air is what coronavirus likes.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
On the same day, Margaret Harris, a spokesperson for the World Health Organization said that the United States has the potential to be the next epicenter of the coronavirus, citing the dramatic increase in cases. The number of cases in the United States has surged from 7,800 cases a week ago to 53,268 cases today.
Is the United States the Coronavirus Pandemic’s New Epicenter?
As the World Health Organization says the U.S. has the potential to become pandemic epicenter, Trump touts opening up the country by Easter.
WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris told reporters Tuesday morning that 85 percent of the previous day’s new confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, were in the United States or Europe. And 40 percent of those cases were reported in the US.
Even as President Donald Trump has begun publicly considering relaxing social distancing guidelines and restarting the economy, Harris warned that the “very large acceleration” in new cases could make the United States the new epicenter for the global pandemic.
The US “has a very large outbreak and an outbreak that is increasing in intensity,” she said, according to a Reuters report.
The virus was first reported in the US on January 20, and it took until March 17 to report the first 100 deaths. But that number has skyrocketed over the past week, and US states reported more than 100 Covid-19-related deaths on Monday alone, marking the first time the death count reached 100 in a single day in the US.
WHO says a third of the newest coronavirus cases worldwide are in the US
Yesterday, Tuesday, there were over 200.
Maybe I was wrong to say we would surpass Italy; if so, I apologize. What I was thinking of was that WHO is predicting we will be the next epicenter. Could we surpass Italy at this rate? We have a lot more people, so I was thinking yes we could.
He said Fort Fun Indiana is a Hoax.He sure did. On one side, you have the Trump cultists. On the other, literally everyone else. And the video. Gee, who to believe....Fact. He did not call it a hoax.Oh, sorry, you're delusional. Trump called the whole thing a hoax. It's a fact. And you agreed. You still agree. That's the weirdest thing about your posts, really. You might be somewhat mentally ill.Just like the “you said hoax” bogus cries we need to get another thing set right
By definition, to die from the disease, you have to be "deathly ill." Is it possible that someone who seems perfectly healthy will die from the Wuhan flu? I don't see how that's possible. They may appear healthy now, but a few days before they day, they are going to be obviously ill.Not all currently undetected cases that will result in death currently involve deathly ill people.It's not likely that someone is going to be deathly ill and not call the doctor, dumbass
I can't believe I have to spell out this simple shit for you idiots
False. You literally just made that up. For example, in New York, all testing is free for those directed by their health provider, which includes asymptomatic people at higher risk from the disease.Part of the issue is that there are no numbers of tested who are sick versus not sick because they only test those that appear sick
Birx mentioned that today, how making such predictions without all considerations was not going to be accurate.WHO didn't predict we would become the next epicenter, she said it was possible based on a couple of days' data. The US has 5 1/2 times as many people as Italy, so it is meaningless to compare raw numbers without adjusting them for the differences in population. We are on the upside of the curve now and no ne knows where the peak is so no one can make sensible predictions on the basis of a few days' data. If we believe the experts at CDC, the higher our infection rate goes, the closer we are to the peak and the slide down to normal.This is what I was thinking of:I have no idea what you have been reading or who you consider an expert but no one at the CDC or WHO has made such a prediction. You say you are paying attention to what the experts say, but none of them have said that.Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
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Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.
And their first local case on 2-22Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.From what I've read, we don't really know why flu viruses seem to disappear in warm weather, so we don't know if this virus will react the same way, so there is some reason to hope for the best. In fact, we don't know at this point if we are approaching the peak of the curve or not.Don't put TOO much reliance on the temperature for solving this problem. The article I linked didn't go into any actual #'s so I don't know just how much of a slow down it will provide. The fact that the warmer states (except Louisiana) seem to be experiencing less new cases than colder states, it's not that summer is going to lick this thing. Even my article said that warmer weather might help slow transmission ALONG WITH STRICT MEASURES to stop the spread. And how many buildings and homes in the deep south don't have air conditioning running all summer? Cool and dry air is what coronavirus likes.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
On the same day, Margaret Harris, a spokesperson for the World Health Organization said that the United States has the potential to be the next epicenter of the coronavirus, citing the dramatic increase in cases. The number of cases in the United States has surged from 7,800 cases a week ago to 53,268 cases today.
Is the United States the Coronavirus Pandemic’s New Epicenter?
As the World Health Organization says the U.S. has the potential to become pandemic epicenter, Trump touts opening up the country by Easter.
WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris told reporters Tuesday morning that 85 percent of the previous day’s new confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, were in the United States or Europe. And 40 percent of those cases were reported in the US.
Even as President Donald Trump has begun publicly considering relaxing social distancing guidelines and restarting the economy, Harris warned that the “very large acceleration” in new cases could make the United States the new epicenter for the global pandemic.
The US “has a very large outbreak and an outbreak that is increasing in intensity,” she said, according to a Reuters report.
The virus was first reported in the US on January 20, and it took until March 17 to report the first 100 deaths. But that number has skyrocketed over the past week, and US states reported more than 100 Covid-19-related deaths on Monday alone, marking the first time the death count reached 100 in a single day in the US.
WHO says a third of the newest coronavirus cases worldwide are in the US
Today, Wednesday, there were 200 deaths reported.
Maybe I was wrong to say we would surpass Italy; if so, I apologize. What I was thinking of was that WHO is predicting we will be the next epicenter. Could we surpass Italy at this rate? We have a lot more people, so I was thinking yes we could.
Not true. Everyone in the US has access to quality healthcare. For those who can't afford private health insurance and are not eligible for Medicaid, HHS operates about 12,000 clinics across the US which provide comprehensive primary care on a sliding scale basis and if you need care beyond what they can provide, hospitals will admit you if you sign papers accepting responsibility for your bills.Undoubtedly, we have the best healthcare system, for those who can afford it.They absolutely have made the claim that it could be as bad here as in Italy. Multiple times.But in the context of comparing the US to Europe, whereas in this thread the assertion has been continually made that the US will suffer the same disaster as Italy and no experts in CDC or WHO has made that claim.
Fauci said it word for word
So did the Surgeon General.
The WHO very explicitly, just today, warned that the US could become the new epicenter. The current epicenter is Italy. So that is an explicit warning that the US could be as bad as Italy.
The WHO are idiots. They are also the yahoos that don't rank US healthcare as the top in the world despite the obvious that it clearly is, in terms of quality.
But if you look at the system as a whole, it is not up to par with the many other nations of the industrialized world.
Unfortunately you’ve glossed over a great many holes in our patchwork system.
For example:
Insulin's High Cost Leads To Lethal Rationing
Alec Raeshawn Smith was 23 when diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes and 26 when he died. He couldn't afford $1,300 per month for his insulin and other diabetes supplies, so he tried to stretch the doses.
Everywhere is like that. They will only admit you, and thus count you, if you are near to the end.That’s good to know, because most cases are unreported. Here in Virginia you call the hospital and unless you’re gasping for air they just say stay home for 2 weeks. Untested, thus unreported.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
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