Current QB talent

[Concerned American]

Fran Tarkenton was a running QB from that era. He was 6'0" 190. Played 18 seasons. You're telling me that Jackson who is 2 inches taller, 40 pounds heavier, and is far faster and more elusive than Tarkenton wouldnt make it. That's what you're saying right?

I said what I said. Your post doesn't resemble anything I posted. As for your example of Tarkenton--don't make me laugh. The guy made it to 3 super bowls and didn't win any of them. IDK what your problem is with admitting that the NFL rules have changed the game to favor offense at the expense of defensive excellence in your misguided opinion that QBs are better now than in the past. Start reading what is posted and not what you are thinking someone else is thinking.

 

[Concerned American]

I'll take the 2022 list over the 1975 list every day and twice on Sunday.

And you'll lose if the 2022 list plays by the same rules as the 1975 list did.

 

[Concerned American]

Yes a spy! I think you will see a breed of defensive player drafted to spy and stop fast QB’s .. it’s like when Bill Belichick defeated Donovan McNabb in the Super Bowl.. Donovan couldn’t run .. forced him to throw, and failed

The more successful coaches of the past had this figured out. Madden used to telestrate it every week when there was a mobile QB. Surprisingly with all the mobile QBs in the game today, many coaches don't seem to leave that spy back there--to their own regret. LOL

 

[Patriot01]

The more successful coaches of the past had this figured out. Madden used to telestrate it every week when there was a mobile QB. Surprisingly with all the mobile QBs in the game today, many coaches don't seem to leave that spy back there--to their own regret. LOL

I think offensive cord have gotten much better, defensive cords not so much. Plus the policy on collisions are in favor for the offense.

 

[Couchpotato]

I said what I said. Your post doesn't resemble anything I posted. As for your example of Tarkenton--don't make me laugh. The guy made it to 3 super bowls and didn't win any of them. IDK what your problem is with admitting that the NFL rules have changed the game to favor offense at the expense of defensive excellence in your misguided opinion that QBs are better now than in the past. Start reading what is posted and not what you are thinking someone else is thinking.

Fran Tarkenton isnt a good QB because he ONLY made it to 3 SB's? LMAO. ok. Give me your list of the 10 QB's from the 70's who all played at the same time and were better than the top 10 now.

 

[Couchpotato]

I said what I said. Your post doesn't resemble anything I posted. As for your example of Tarkenton--don't make me laugh. The guy made it to 3 super bowls and didn't win any of them. IDK what your problem is with admitting that the NFL rules have changed the game to favor offense at the expense of defensive excellence in your misguided opinion that QBs are better now than in the past. Start reading what is posted and not what you are thinking someone else is thinking.

That doesnt address the fact that Tarkenton was smaller, and slower than modern QB's but had a good deal of success of a very long career.

Oh and Fran Tarkenton was such a scrub he's a HOFer.

Fran Tarkenton | Pro Football Hall of Fame Official Site

www.profootballhof.com

 

[hjmick]

Is there more talent at the QB position currently than at any other time in NFL history? I think so.

Mahomes
Hurts
Jackson
Allen
Burrow
Rodgers
Lawernce
Herbert
Tua (if he can stay healthy)

I can't think of another point in NFL history when there was anywhere near is amount of talent in the league at the same time. And most of those guys are young and will be in the league for 10+ more years, so there's more talent coming...

Talent? Sure. But they all seem to lack a level of toughness of another era...

Terry Bradshaw... Jim Plunkett... Ron Jaworski... Joe Ferguson... "Dandy" Don Meredith... Y.A. Tittle... George Blanda... Steve McNair... So many more...

Nowadays, they may as well strap flags on the players. You know, like they did at the Pro Bowl...

 

[jbrownson0831]

1, Are QB's bigger, faster and stronger than the QB's of the past?

2, Are there more high level QB's currently than in the past?

Currently in the league, top 10 or so (talent wise) IMO in no particular order:

Mahomes
Hurts
Allen
Rodgers
Lawrence
Herbert
Burrow
Tua
Jackson
Watson
Wilson
Prescott
Smith

etc

In 1975 the top 10 passing stat leaders were

Anderson
Tarkenton
Starbach
Hart
Jones
Kilmer
Ferguson
Morton
Stabler
Namath

I'll take the 2022 list over the 1975 list every day and twice on Sunday.

Nothing at all wrong with either list but it was a totally different game then. QBs back then who ran were rare, Tarkenton was very fast and elusive...because they would get their head separated from their shoulders. Nowadays why not take off, nobody is going to hit you and when those big holes open up you can get great yardage. But as far as passing and accuracy and knowing the game they were playing at the time, this list along with an 80s and 90s and 2000s list would be very talented too.
Apples and oranges.

 

[leftwinger]

Talent? Sure. But they all seem to lack a level of toughness of another era...

Terry Bradshaw... Jim Plunkett... Ron Jaworski... Joe Ferguson... "Dandy" Don Meredith... Y.A. Tittle... George Blanda... Steve McNair... So many more...

Nowadays, they may as well strap flags on the players. You know, like they did at the Pro Bowl...

People also used to start fires with two sticks. Can we improve and get smarter? Why get killed out there?
I have seen QBs just pasted from the blind side, head snaps back, helmet gets crooked. Takes a while to get up. Do we need that back in the game?
Is that still in the game but QBs are avoiding it?

How about Receivers "over the middle". Do we need more 220lb Dirty Criminal DBs' lying in the weeds to take out other teams best out early?

I don't know?
I understand your point but Hockey Goalies did not even wear masks in the 60s and early 70s?
Look at me, Get hit in the forehead with slaps shots. yeah...team. I'm tough.

 

[Concerned American]

Fran Tarkenton isnt a good QB because he ONLY made it to 3 SB's? LMAO. ok. Give me your list of the 10 QB's from the 70's who all played at the same time and were better than the top 10 now.

You just aren't very quick. Your contention that the QBs of today are somehow supermen is a bogus idea with little reasoning behind it. THE GAME IS NOT THE SAME. THE RULES ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND FAVOR OFFENSE. If you were dry behind the ears, you would understand. Do you understand APPLES AND ORANGES. I am not discounting that these guys don't have talent, but the two era's games cannot be compared. When the NFL goes to flag football, as this year's pro bowl seems to show they are doing--you will be saying "OH THESE QBS ARE SOOOOOO TALENTED" You haven't got a clue. I don't know how to make it any clearer. You are just being obtuse.

 

[jbrownson0831]

People also used to start fires with two sticks. Can we improve and get smarter? Why get killed out there?
I have seen QBs just pasted from the blind side, head snaps back, helmet gets crooked. Takes a while to get up. Do we need that back in the game?
Is it still in the game?

How about Receivers "over the middle". Do we need more 220lb criminals lying in the weeds to take oppositions best out of the game early?

I don't know. I understand your point but Hockey Goalies did not even wear masks in the 60s and early 70s? Get hit in the forehead with slaps shots. yeah...team. I'm tough.

I certainly dont think we need those things back in the game. I also think its impossible to say the QBs or receivers or whatever from today are so much better than the players from back in the day. How does anyone know that?

 

[Concerned American]

People also used to start fires with two sticks. Can we improve and get smarter? Why get killed out there?
I have seen QBs just pasted from the blind side, head snaps back, helmet gets crooked. Takes a while to get up. Do we need that back in the game?
Is that still in the game but QBs are avoiding it?

How about Receivers "over the middle". Do we need more 220lb Dirty Criminal DBs' lying in the weeds to take out other teams best out early?

I don't know?
I understand your point but Hockey Goalies did not even wear masks in the 60s and early 70s?
Look at me, Get hit in the forehead with slaps shots. yeah...team. I'm tough.

I love a good defensive game. I used to love to watch BIG hits. I really don't like hearing "Unnecessary Roughness, hit on a defenseless receiver." That was football and that is what made it great. But what the hey, you just can't smack these pussy multi millionaire QBs and receivers around anymore. Not PC.

 

[leftwinger]

I certainly dont think we need those things back in the game. I also think its impossible to say the QBs or receivers or whatever from today are so much better than the players from back in the day. How does anyone know that?

QBs' back then were the best for that time. Nowdays, everyone is bigger and faster, as are the QBs'
I doubt Lamar Jackson can throw the sideline out pass to the strong side like a Dan Marino or Jim Hart could do.
But Hart Marino ( Fouts, Brady?) could not run? they could barely move around under pressure.

 

[leftwinger]

I love a good defensive game. I used to love to watch BIG hits. I really don't like hearing "Unnecessary Roughness, hit on a defenseless receiver." That was football and that is what made it great. But what the hey, you just can't smack these pussy multi millionaire QBs and receivers around anymore. Not PC.

Well the old cheap shots used make me queasy....not matter what era. The Raiders were beating the hell out of opposing players.
They broke Russ Francis nose in a playoff game (2 on 1) sideline tackle....one of them right under the chin strap. Russ stayed in. Toughness of that era.
I don't think that hit was actually flagged or dirty. That sort of hit is a good example of what has disappeared?

 

[jbrownson0831]

QBs' back then were the best for that time. Nowdays, everyone is bigger and faster as are the QBs'
I doubt Lamar Jackson can throw the sideline out pass to the strong side like a Dan Marion or Jim Hart could do.
But Fouts Hart Marino (Brady?) could not run? they could barely move around under pressure.

But the last thing they wanted QBs to do then was run. The job was to stand in the pocket and throw, or hand the ball off. Running QBs would get murdered so nobody cared about their footspeed.
So I agree....today they are much more athletic and suited for the game as it plays right now. But that doesn't make them any better than their predecessors.

 

[Mac-7]

The QB talent isn't any better than any other time in the history. The game has changed. If the majority of these guys tried to play the game of the 70s and 80s, they wouldn't be there a quarter of the way through the season.

Well said

Just the way QB’s are coddled and protected today means that for their own safety they better stay away from the 50’s and 60’s

 

[Concerned American]

Well the old cheap shots used make me queasy....not matter what era. The Raiders were beating the hell out of opposing players.
They broke Russ Francis nose in a playoff game (2 on 1) sideline tackle....one of them right under the chin strap. Russ stayed in. Toughness of that era.
I don't think that hit was actually flagged or dirty. That sort of hit is a good example of what has disappeared?

True, there were cheap shots in that era. There were also clean, middle of the field tackles that were HUGE. I loved them. I hate seeing unnecessary roughness called when a sack specialist launches before a QBs arm is cocked and lands after the arm starts forward--WTF is he supposed to do--grow wings and turn in midair? I don't care for the NFL of the last 25 years or so and that is why I don't watch. Meh.

 

[leftwinger]

True, there were cheap shots in that era. There were also clean, middle of the field tackles that were HUGE. I loved them. I hate seeing unnecessary roughness called when a sack specialist launches before a QBs arm is cocked and lands after the arm starts forward--WTF is he supposed to do--grow wings and turn in midair? I don't care for the NFL of the last 25 years or so and that is why I don't watch. Meh.

grow wings and turn in midair?

LOL! good one.
Oh....I too hate the phantom "roughing the passer call". There were some called this year (ridiculous calls) that were gentle as a mosh pit compared to even 1990?

 

[Couchpotato]

Talent? Sure. But they all seem to lack a level of toughness of another era...

Terry Bradshaw... Jim Plunkett... Ron Jaworski... Joe Ferguson... "Dandy" Don Meredith... Y.A. Tittle... George Blanda... Steve McNair... So many more...

Nowadays, they may as well strap flags on the players. You know, like they did at the Pro Bowl...

Where are you getting that they arent as "tough" as QB's from the past? The current QB's didnt write the rules. The 2 QB's who just played in the most recent SB were both injured and played through it. Hurts' throwing shoulder was compromised (I think we saw just how much on that last throw) and Mahomes' ankle. Did either of them come off the field? When it mattered did they show any signs that their injuries were holding them back? Hurts was sticking his nose in there to win the game. Taking the hits. Mahomes was doing the same, running on sprained ankle.

Getting hit in the head with a baseball bat isnt a talent.

 

[Mac-7]

Where are you getting that they arent as "tough" as QB's from the past? The current QB's didnt write the rules. The 2 QB's who just played in the most recent SB were both injured and played through it. Hurts' throwing shoulder was compromised (I think we saw just how much on that last throw) and Mahomes' ankle. Did either of them come off the field? When it mattered did they show any signs that their injuries were holding them back? Hurts was sticking his nose in there to win the game. Taking the hits. Mahomes was doing the same, running on sprained ankle.

Getting hit in the head with a baseball bat isnt a talent.

Johnny Unitas would have gone wild under todays rules

But mahomes or hurts wouldnt last two games under the old NFL rules