Death Penalty

[koshergrl]

What the hell are you jabbering about?

Do you know?

 

[Noomi]

What the hell are you jabbering about?

Do you know?

Well, you lot want killers like Holmes to be executed, don't you? Because he might kill another inmate in prison. Why the concern for the other inmate? Considering conservatives don't care about human life, Holmes killing in prison would be justice to someone, would it not?

 

[koshergrl]

So you are talking about yet another topic you are woefully ignorant of.

I'm not pro-death penalty, incidentally.

Dahmer's killer is serving multiple life sentences for multiple murders. He's never getting out. Nobody wants to see him get out. Nobody would want to see him escape the death penalty, if that was his sentence. But what is the point of trying him for killing Dahmer when he's already in prison forever?

 

[Noomi]

So you are talking about yet another topic you are woefully ignorant of.

I'm not pro-death penalty, incidentally.

Dahmer's killer is serving multiple life sentences for multiple murders. He's never getting out. Nobody wants to see him get out. Nobody would want to see him escape the death penalty, if that was his sentence. But what is the point of trying him for killing Dahmer when he's already in prison forever?

That's like saying we shouldn't try a killer for murdering someones loved one because they are already in prison for life. Its justice for the victim. If someone is killed, it doesn't matter if that person is serving a life sentence, they should be committed to stand trial for that murder, regardless of who it was.

 

[koshergrl]

Scarver received two more life sentences for the murders of Dahmer and the other guy he killed (he attacked them both, Dahmer died immediately, the other guy a little later).

You fucking idiot. He went to trial, and he received a conviction for killing Dahmer.

 

[Noomi]

Scarver received two more life sentences for the murders of Dahmer and the other guy he killed (he attacked them both, Dahmer died immediately, the other guy a little later).

You fucking idiot. He went to trial, and he received a conviction for killing Dahmer.

Well then what was the point of your last post?

 

[koshergrl]

My god, you're like a young, stupid(er) Bod.

Heaven help us.

 

[Noomi]

My god, you're like a young, stupid(er) Bod.

Heaven help us.

I don't know what to say to that, except laugh.

I'm off for the time being, have fun bitching with yourself, KG.

 

[koshergrl]

Thank goodness. I think your presence actually depletes the level of intelligence across the board.

And it doesn't have any to spare.

 

[koshergrl]

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[Artevelde]

Locking them in prison is also a good way to stop them from killing.

No it isn't, as experience shows.

So what if they kill another inmate? Isn't that what conservatives would want?

No it isn't. And what if they kill a guard? Or escape?

 

[Artevelde]

The reason I support the death penalty - but only in a limited number of cases - has nothing to do with a deterrent effect (which may or may not exist - can't be proven one waq or the other). If there is a deterrent effect, that's a bonus, but it's not the essence. The essence is twofold:

1. The punishment should fit the crime. This has nothing to do with revenge, but everything with the basic concept that justice is about holding people accountable for their actions and punishing misdeeds. Exceptionally heinous and murderous misdeeds should be punished accordingly.

2. Society has a right to protect itself in an appropriate way against people who pose an unacceptable risk. For some this risk can be sufficiently mitigated by long prison sentences. But in some cases a person poses such an unacceptable risk to society that he/she can never be safely released into society again. In such cases the death penalty is appropriate. Life imprisonment without parole is not an alternative. To begin with there is always the risk that the person may escape. Secondly, somebody with absolutely no possibility of parole basically gets a free pass to assault and murder fellow inmates, prison staff, etc. This is clearly an unacceptable risk. And in reality the idea of keeping people imprisoned when they are extremely old, demented and cripples is fairly ludicrous and naive.

The death penalty is thus an appropriate penalty in certain cases. It should be executed swiftly and without much fanfare (I'm not in favour of public executions).

1. If the punishment were to fit the crime, then a rapist should be sentenced to be raped, and someone convicted of arson should have their own belongings burned.

2. Life in prison serves the purpose of removing someone from society.

3. If they kill a staff member in that prison, that is a failing of the prison system itself, as it should have been secure enough so that no attacks could take place.

4. Name a dangerous killer who escaped from prison only to kill again?

This is really a very stupid response.

Saying that the penalty must fit the crime does not mean that it should be the same as the crime. Only a stupid person would argue that.

Life in prison is not a solution. What do you propose: locking them up in solitary confinement 24hrs a day without any visits and any contact with the outside world?

Many dangerous criminals have escaped from prison and killed again. And many who were released after long sentences killed again.

 

[Artevelde]

Thank goodness. I think your presence actually depletes the level of intelligence across the board.

And it doesn't have any to spare.

Have to agree.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

Saying that the penalty must fit the crime does not mean that it should be the same as the crime. Only a stupid person would argue that.

Life in prison is not a solution. What do you propose: locking them up in solitary confinement 24hrs a day without any visits and any contact with the outside world?

Many dangerous criminals have escaped from prison and killed again. And many who were released after long sentences killed again.

Depending on why someone kills another person, why should they ever be released? And to make sure that they never escape, yeah, lock them up in solitary confinement or just do whatever it takes to make sure that they never get loose.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[Katzndogz]

Tookie Williams planned and arranged hits on witnesses while he was on death row. Not inmates, witnesses.

 

[rightwinger]

The US is one of the few countries in the world that still has the death penalty and most of our own states do not even use it.

The US is in the company of China, India and Muslim countries that still support eye for an eye punishment

Canada, Mexico, all of Europe, Russia, Japan, S Korea......all have abolished the death penalty

 

[Artevelde]

The US is one of the few countries in the world that still has the death penalty and most of our own states do not even use it.

The US is in the company of China, India and Muslim countries that still support eye for an eye punishment

Canada, Mexico, all of Europe, Russia, Japan, S Korea......all have abolished the death penalty

First of all, you're wrong: Japan and South korea, to name only those two still have the death penalty.

Secondly, this is NOT an eye for an eye punishment, but apparently you have no real arguments.

 

[rightwinger]

The US is one of the few countries in the world that still has the death penalty and most of our own states do not even use it.

The US is in the company of China, India and Muslim countries that still support eye for an eye punishment

Canada, Mexico, all of Europe, Russia, Japan, S Korea......all have abolished the death penalty

First of all, you're wrong: Japan and South korea, to name only those two still have the death penalty.

Secondly, this is NOT an eye for an eye punishment, but apparently you have no real arguments.

You are correct in that Japan still has a death penalty. Lets look at what other nations are aligned with the US in allowing the death penalty

The Death Penalty Worldwide — Infoplease.com

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Ethiopia
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
North Korea
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Qatar
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Taiwan
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Vietnam
Yemen
Zimbabwe


Read more: The Death Penalty Worldwide — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html/#ixzz21k63BlY5

 

[Katzndogz]

Is there a particular benefit from not having the death penalty? No. It keeps criminals alive. In states that have the death penalty, the inmate has a much greater chance of dying on death row of old age than actually being put to death.

On the other hand, where the death penalty is not available, Richard Speck got big tits and Charlie Manson gets to update his website.

 

[rightwinger]

Is there a particular benefit from not having the death penalty? No. It keeps criminals alive. In states that have the death penalty, the inmate has a much greater chance of dying on death row of old age than actually being put to death.

On the other hand, where the death penalty is not available, Richard Speck got big tits and Charlie Manson gets to update his website.

It just makes us look like barbarians to the rest of the world

If the death penalty is such a deterrent, why do we have such a high murder rate compared to other countries without a death penalty?