Debunking Keystone Pipeline Myths

[rightwinger]

Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week



1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.

 

[WelfareQueen]

America needs Keystone for the jobs. Period. End of story. Why is this so difficult to understand?

 

[Shaarona]

Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week



1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.

Great post...

 

[rightwinger]

America needs Keystone for the jobs. Period. End of story. Why is this so difficult to understand?

A few temporary jobs

 

[Mr. H.]

This pipeline will also transport oil from producers in Texas, Oklahoma, Montana and North Dakota.

There is a glut of U.S. crudes in storage and it needs to get to refineries. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Why did the Obama administration approve a similarly-designed pipeline project as recently as 2009?

The Department found that the addition of crude oil pipeline capacity between Canada and the United States will advance a number of strategic interests of the United States. These included increasing the diversity of available supplies among the United States’ worldwide crude oil sources in a time of considerable political tension in other major oil producing countries and regions; shortening the transportation pathway for crude oil supplies; and increasing crude oil supplies from a major non-Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries producer. Canada is a stable and reliable ally and trading partner of the United States, with which we have free trade agreements which augment the security of this energy supply.

Permit for Alberta Clipper Pipeline Issued

Explain to ME why the above assessment does not apply to the Keystone XL?

Build the Goddamn pipeline already. This project is being held up by petrophobic idiots.

 

[tinydancer]

This pipeline will also transport oil from producers in Texas, Oklahoma, Montana and North Dakota.

There is a glut of U.S. crudes in storage and it needs to get to refineries. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Why did the Obama administration approve a similarly-designed pipeline project as recently as 2009?

The Department found that the addition of crude oil pipeline capacity between Canada and the United States will advance a number of strategic interests of the United States. These included increasing the diversity of available supplies among the United States’ worldwide crude oil sources in a time of considerable political tension in other major oil producing countries and regions; shortening the transportation pathway for crude oil supplies; and increasing crude oil supplies from a major non-Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries producer. Canada is a stable and reliable ally and trading partner of the United States, with which we have free trade agreements which augment the security of this energy supply.

Permit for Alberta Clipper Pipeline Issued

Explain to ME why the above assessment does not apply to the Keystone XL?

Build the Goddamn pipeline already. This project is being held up by petrophobic idiots.

Big amen from this sister!

 

[healthmyths]

Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week



1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.

Again I ask you a simple fact:

Do you think Canada will if the pipeline doesn't go in that they WILL NOT ship 1 million barrels of oil per day?

If they do they will have 3 choices :

An Exxon Valdez type oil tanker carried nearly 1,264,155 barrels in one tanker in one mile.
A train carried about 40,000 barrels in 73 cars in one mile.
Keystone pipeline will carry over 1,179 miles 830,000 barrels in 24 hours or in one mile: 703 barrels of oil.

One tanker accident puts at risk 1.2 million barrels in the ocean probably worst weather situation.

One train totally derailed puts in one mile 40,000 barrels.
One mile of pipeline having a leak in ALL of the ONE mile will spill 703 barrels.

Which is worse???

 

[tinydancer]

Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week



1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2.America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.

Heads up.

California, the third-largest oil- refining state in the U.S., is bringing in a record volume of oil from Canada by rail as it faces shrinking supplies from Alaska and within the state.

The most populous U.S. state received 709,014 barrels of crude from Canada by rail in December, a 4.9% increase from November and up from zero a year ago, data posted on the state Energy Commission’s website show.

Canada made up 67% of the state’s total oil-by-rail receipts.

North Dakota, where fields in the Bakken formation are producing a record volume of crude, shrank to a 5.9% share.

U.S. West Coast refiners from Valero Energy Corp. to Tesoro Corp., lacking pipeline access to the glut of shale oil in the middle of the country, have been turning to rail to counter declining supplies in California and Alaska.

California brought in a record 2.83 million barrels of oil by rail in the fourth quarter from all sources, almost double the amount from the three months prior, the state said.

“We’re seeing a lot of Canadian crude-by-rail loading facilities coming online, so it’s no surprise it’s beginning to show up in California,” David Hackett, president of energy consulting firm Stillwater Associates in Irvine, California, said by telephone.

“Refinery configuration in California is oriented toward heavy or medium, sour crude, and the Canadian barrels, which are heavy and somewhat sour, are a better fit than the light Bakken barrels.”

California receiving record volume of Canadian oil by rail | Financial Post

 

[OKTexas]

Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week



1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.

AND? Where's the justification not to build it? All I see here is a shit load of deflection and the left admitting that my dollar is worth 13% less in the last 5 years.

 

[Rocko]

America needs Keystone for the jobs. Period. End of story. Why is this so difficult to understand?

A few temporary jobs

About 20,000 well payed temporary jobs.

 

[healthmyths]

Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week



1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.

Great post...

"by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation). Is correct.

BUT the way this reads THAT's what was the remaining years of Bush's administration...
When in reality at the end of 2008-Dec 12/01 $1.870/ gallon.

In reality at the end of 2013-Dec $3.353 a 179% increase...
Weekly U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)

 

[Shaarona]

America needs Keystone for the jobs. Period. End of story. Why is this so difficult to understand?

A few temporary jobs

About 20,000 well payed temporary jobs.

NO.. LOLOL.. maybe 900 temp jobs.. If you can't build a pipeline without 20,000 workers.. you shouldn't be in the business.

TAPLINE only took 1200 and 900 of those were Arabs.

 

[rightwinger]

Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week



1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.

Great post...

"by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation). Is correct.

BUT the way this reads THAT's what was the remaining years of Bush's administration...
When in reality at the end of 2008-Dec 12/01 $1.870/ gallon.

In reality at the end of 2013-Dec $3.353 a 179% increase...
Weekly U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)

$1.87 gas lasted a few weeks and was due to a collapsing economy. When the economy rebounded, so did the gas prices

 

[tinydancer]

What makes this Keystone Pipeline so bad enviro weenies?

This is Phase III. Where the hell were all you whackos when the other two were being built?

 

[chikenwing]

A few temporary jobs

About 20,000 well payed temporary jobs.

NO.. LOLOL.. maybe 900 temp jobs.. If you can't build a pipeline without 20,000 workers.. you shouldn't be in the business.

TAPLINE only took 1200 and 900 of those were Arabs.

So what,the number is meaningless,there will be good paying temp ,jobs as well as permanent ones created for maint. All will be a help,for the temp workers,and the money that will be brought in for the locals,as the project moves fwd.

Casually dismissing this project,because people want to piss for distance over the number of jobs is retarded.

The project will be good for many people,from inspectors ,to pipe manufactures,to the food wagon feeding the workers.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

A few temporary jobs

About 20,000 well payed temporary jobs.

NO.. LOLOL.. maybe 900 temp jobs.. If you can't build a pipeline without 20,000 workers.. you shouldn't be in the business.

TAPLINE only took 1200 and 900 of those were Arabs.

Are you considering all the logistical, food, housing agencies etc... that will benefit from those "temporary" workers?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week



1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.

1. How does a pipeline contribute to carbon emissions? It's a pipeline for pete's sakes. If you want to keep refining oil, develop methods to refine it that don't involve spewing the excess into the atmosphere. Problem solved.

2. Given that we haven't seen gas below $3.00 a gallon since year 2 of Obama's term, there needs to be a way to drop the price. It's clear that he won't introduce bills to help abate the process. His administration is stalling the one thing that may drop the price of gas to nearly half what it is now.

3. That is a red herring. You can't possibly believe none of that oil is being used here. This is unsubstantiated at best. Besides, a fully complete pipeline would replace 830,000 barrels that we would normally import from places like Venezuela and elsewhere.

http://oilsandsfactcheck.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/KXL_security.pdf

4. But then dropped to $1.62 a gallon on January 1, 2009, before Bush left office. Since Obama's arrival, we haven't seen gas under $3.00 a gallon since 2010.

As this points out, and as many a liberal has pointed out to me, presidents don't control gas prices. It's a bigger canard to blame $4.11 a gallon gas on Bush, after making such a claim.

5. Contradicts #4. You just spent an entire point giving credit to Obama for "$1.82/gal gas prices "as soon as he took over." You use qualifiers like "before Obama became president" to absolve him of any contribution to the hike in gas prices.

 

[chikenwing]

About 20,000 well payed temporary jobs.

NO.. LOLOL.. maybe 900 temp jobs.. If you can't build a pipeline without 20,000 workers.. you shouldn't be in the business.

TAPLINE only took 1200 and 900 of those were Arabs.

Are you considering all the logistical, food, housing agencies etc... that will benefit from those "temporary" workers?

Hell no they are not,typical of people like the OP,its not their job,or their community,they don't give a rats ass about anybody but themselves.

Pipeline projects like all construction projects are temporary in nature,its really REALLY stupid to brush them off as insignificant.

 

[DGS49]

The whole story with the Keystone Pipeline is much more complex than you can discern from the news reports and the political rhetoric. Anyone who is interested should take 15 minutes and read the Wikipedia article, which is not political at all.

Plan B is for Canada to build a pipeline across the southern border to the West Coast of Canada. This will also create a lot of jobs for Americans.

It's really not a big deal, one way or another.

As for gas prices, the price of crude (ignoring the cost of transporting and refining for a moment) is determined by how much oil is available GLOBALLY, and has nothing to do with where the oil comes from or where it goes to.

The best way to understand it is to think of a giant swimming pool filled with crude oil. There are thousands of pipes pumping oil into the pool and thousands of pipes pumping oil out of the pool. The price of crude at any given time is more or less determined by the level of oil in the pool. Where the pipes originate or go to is irrelevant.

As long as the Canadian oil is eventually consumed, it doesn't matter whether it is piped to Houston or the west coast of Canada.

 

[healthmyths]

Great post...

"by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation). Is correct.

BUT the way this reads THAT's what was the remaining years of Bush's administration...
When in reality at the end of 2008-Dec 12/01 $1.870/ gallon.

In reality at the end of 2013-Dec $3.353 a 179% increase...

Weekly U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)

$1.87 gas lasted a few weeks and was due to a collapsing economy. When the economy rebounded, so did the gas prices

So Bush economy was BOOMING according to YOUR rational.. i.e. higher gas prices means growing economy...

Also rising gas prices had nothing to do with Obama WANTING gas prices to go up right?
And the way he was able to make gas prices go up was by signing LESS federal leases.


Under Bush..

from 2001 to 2008 23,569 new leases an average per year of 2,946 new leases each year for 8 years.

But In 4 years under Obama only 5,109 new leases were signed again collapsing economy etc..... an average of 1,277 leases/ year over 4 years.

Obama has overseen a reduction of 177% in new leases!

Oil and Gas Statistics

So you don't think that had an affect on increasing gas prices..along with growing economy,etc...?


**2009-Jan 01/05* 1.737***
**2009-Feb 02/02* 1.944***
**2009-Mar 03/02* 1.988***
**2009-Apr 04/06* 2.090***
**2009-May 05/04* 2.129***
**2009-Jun 06/01* 2.572***
**2009-Jul 07/06* 2.666***
**2009-Aug 08/03* 2.610***
**2009-Sep 09/07* 2.642***
**2009-Oct 10/05* 2.523***
**2009-Nov 11/02* 2.746***
**2009-Dec 12/07* 2.689***

**2010-Jan 01/04* 2.718***
**2010-Feb 02/01* 2.717***
**2010-Mar 03/01* 2.756***
**2010-Apr 04/05* 2.877***
**2010-May 05/03* 2.950***
**2010-Jun 06/07* 2.780***
**2010-Jul 07/05* 2.779***
**2010-Aug 08/02* 2.788***
**2010-Sep 09/06* 2.735***
**2010-Oct 10/04* 2.784***
**2010-Nov 11/01* 2.861***
**2010-Dec 12/06* 3.013***

**2011-Jan 01/03* 3.124***
**2011-Feb 02/07* 3.185***
**2011-Mar 03/07* 3.572***
**2011-Apr 04/04* 3.737***
**2011-May 05/02* 4.014***
**2011-Jun 06/06* 3.833***
**2011-Jul 07/04* 3.634***
**2011-Aug 08/01* 3.766***
**2011-Sep 09/05* 3.727***
**2011-Oct 10/03* 3.492***
**2011-Nov 11/07* 3.482***
**2011-Dec 12/05* 3.350***

**2012-Jan 01/02* 3.358***
**2012-Feb 02/06* 3.542***
**2012-Mar 03/05* 3.849***
**2012-Apr 04/02* 3.996***
**2012-May 05/07* 3.849***
**2012-Jun 06/04* 3.671***
**2012-Jul 07/02* 3.415***
**2012-Aug 08/06* 3.702***
**2012-Sep 09/03* 3.903***
**2012-Oct 10/01* 3.866***
**2012-Nov 11/05* 3.563***
**2012-Dec 12/03* 3.463***

**2013-Jan 01/07* 3.373***
**2013-Feb 02/04* 3.604***
**2013-Mar 03/04* 3.826***
**2013-Apr 04/01* 3.714***
**2013-May 05/06* 3.602***
**2013-Jun 06/03* 3.705***
**2013-Jul 07/01* 3.567***
**2013-Aug 08/05* 3.701***
**2013-Sep 09/02* 3.678***
**2013-Oct 10/07* 3.441***
**2013-Nov 11/04* 3.343***
**2013-Dec 12/02* 3.353***