Democrat Donor; the Jobs are Gone and Americans Need to Stop Whining About it

[JimBowie1958]

This is why the Democratic Party is not the party of the American worker any more. That party has become owned by Wall Street and K Street and it will take a successful voter revolt to change that, as the Republicans had in the GOP.

The choice here for Democrats especially is 'Do you want to have a Corporate Crony like Hillary Clinton win for your party, or do you want to take control of your party back from the Oligarchs on Wall Street?'

That is the only relevant choice for you, all the media hysteria about Trump that you know is bullshit anyway, is all irrelevant.

Will you help us retake control of American politics by denying Hillary the Oval Office, or will you seal said control for the Oligarchs for another 4 years with rising crime, anemic economic growth and escalating misery? If Trump loses, the Oligarchs will reclaim the GOP, make no doubt about that, and that might be our last chance to clean American politics up.

Elite Financier Dismisses Manufacturing Jobs

Multimillionaire financier and loyal Democrat Steve Rattner thinks working Americans concerned with the availability of manufacturing jobs are just a bunch of crybabies who need to quit complaining and accept their miserable futures....

Instead, Rattner says Americans must adapt and plan for careers with "some intellectual content," such as education, health services, or IT. But not every American is a scholar and not every American can afford higher education. For an increasing number of working Americans who can't magically become productive white-collar workers overnight, the only option is a choice between low-paying service industry jobs, welfare, or a combination of both.

Apparently Rattner — who lives in a multi-million dollar Manhattan apartment, spends summers on his Martha's Vineyard estate, and owns a horse farm in North Salem — can't understand why Americans who were once able to provide for their families by working a $60,000-per-year factory job aren't happy with the prospect of trying to make ends meet working for less than half of that flipping burgers.

Rattner's arrogant indifference is only highlighted by the fact that he owes his fortune to a career on Wall Street, which — unlike Main Street America — benefits greatly from globalization. Rattner was an investment banker at Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, and Lazard Freres & Co., and now runs a private investment firm.

 

[Dekster]

He is right. Service sector does not have to be low paying, but we are going to a service economy.

 

[JimBowie1958]

He is right. Service sector does not have to be low paying, but we are going to a service economy.

No, we are not.

We are going to be a barter economy if Open Borders Zealots are not put back in their cages.

 

[guno]

This is why the Democratic Party is not the party of the American worker any more. That party has become owned by Wall Street and K Street and it will take a successful voter revolt to change that, as the Republicans had in the GOP.

The choice here for Democrats especially is 'Do you want to have a Corporate Crony like Hillary Clinton win for your party, or do you want to take control of your party back from the Oligarchs on Wall Street?'

That is the only relevant choice for you, all the media hysteria about Trump that you know is bullshit anyway, is all irrelevant.

Will you help us retake control of American politics by denying Hillary the Oval Office, or will you seal said control for the Oligarchs for another 4 years with rising crime, anemic economic growth and escalating misery? If Trump loses, the Oligarchs will reclaim the GOP, make no doubt about that, and that might be our last chance to clean American politics up.

Elite Financier Dismisses Manufacturing Jobs

Multimillionaire financier and loyal Democrat Steve Rattner thinks working Americans concerned with the availability of manufacturing jobs are just a bunch of crybabies who need to quit complaining and accept their miserable futures....

Instead, Rattner says Americans must adapt and plan for careers with "some intellectual content," such as education, health services, or IT. But not every American is a scholar and not every American can afford higher education. For an increasing number of working Americans who can't magically become productive white-collar workers overnight, the only option is a choice between low-paying service industry jobs, welfare, or a combination of both.

Apparently Rattner — who lives in a multi-million dollar Manhattan apartment, spends summers on his Martha's Vineyard estate, and owns a horse farm in North Salem — can't understand why Americans who were once able to provide for their families by working a $60,000-per-year factory job aren't happy with the prospect of trying to make ends meet working for less than half of that flipping burgers.

Rattner's arrogant indifference is only highlighted by the fact that he owes his fortune to a career on Wall Street, which — unlike Main Street America — benefits greatly from globalization. Rattner was an investment banker at Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, and Lazard Freres & Co., and now runs a private investment firm.

the unskilled goober jobs are gone

 

[Fueri]

This argument always makes me laugh.

the jobs were offshored because the incentive was there to do it. it's math.

take those incentives away and some may come back, some that are still leaving (yes, it's still going on) may be dissuaded from leaving.

bottom line, throwing our hands up and saying 'game over' isn't much of a plan in terms of doing what we can to protect jobs here. In fact, it's no plan at all.

 

[JimBowie1958]

This argument always makes me laugh.

the jobs were offshored because the incentive was there to do it. it's math.

take those incentives away and some may come back, some that are still leaving (yes, it's still going on) may be dissuaded from leaving.

bottom line, throwing our hands up and saying 'game over' isn't much of a plan in terms of doing what we can to protect jobs here. In fact, it's no plan at all.

But that is the line the Globalists use because they dont have the facts on their side, and they know that mindless parrots will repeat their lies for them for ever.

 

[Dekster]

He is right. Service sector does not have to be low paying, but we are going to a service economy.

No, we are not.

We are going to be a barter economy if Open Borders Zealots are not put back in their cages.

unlikely we will ever be a barter economy because our wants are so wide. the US is a mature economy that is stagnating, not in small part to the demographic bulge that is hoarding capital. There are better returns on investment in Asia and after that South America. It has really been a couple generations since there has been a scientific/technological breakthrough that has fundamentally changed society. Until we have one, this is about as good as it gets.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I totally agree with that. You don't know how annoying it is to hear that manufacturing jobs are gone and people can't find good jobs anymore. It is all bullshit because a lot of people do manage to find good jobs. I'm sorry but people ought to just stop whining!

 

[Care4all]

Pandora`s box....


Manufacturing will never again be, what it once was, in America....

We need a new vision, a new goal, to lift Americans up.

 

[JimBowie1958]

He is right. Service sector does not have to be low paying, but we are going to a service economy.

No, we are not.

We are going to be a barter economy if Open Borders Zealots are not put back in their cages.

unlikely we will ever be a barter economy because our wants are so wide. the US is a mature economy that is stagnating, not in small part to the demographic bulge that is hoarding capital. There are better returns on investment in Asia and after that South America. It has really been a couple generations since there has been a scientific/technological breakthrough that has fundamentally changed society. Until we have one, this is about as good as it gets.

Dude, the Robotics Revolution is a vast job killing machine, and I am not going to argue the point with an ideological pinhead like you.

Most of use will be making our own commodities we will need and trading those hand crafted goods for other things other people make; a barter economy, because vanished jobs will eliminate cash from the economy 85% of use will be working on.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I totally agree with that. You don't know how annoying it is to hear that manufacturing jobs are gone and people can't find good jobs anymore. It is all bullshit because a lot of people do manage to find good jobs. I'm sorry but people ought to just stop whining!

Your "whining" is another mans revolutionary rhetoric.

 

[Fueri]

This argument always makes me laugh.

the jobs were offshored because the incentive was there to do it. it's math.

take those incentives away and some may come back, some that are still leaving (yes, it's still going on) may be dissuaded from leaving.

bottom line, throwing our hands up and saying 'game over' isn't much of a plan in terms of doing what we can to protect jobs here. In fact, it's no plan at all.

But that is the line the Globalists use because they dont have the facts on their side, and they know that mindless parrots will repeat their lies for them for ever.

Yep, they've moved the goalposts. We see it all the time.

Clinton sold us NAFTA on the assertion that it would creat 'good paying American jobs' Obviously that is NOT what has happened as a result of the push for free trade.

I can pull that speech if anyone would care to take issue with that.

Now it's "it is what it is" or something similar to indicate that nothing can be done about it.

Bullshit. Change the incentives and change the outcomes.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Pandora`s box....


Manufacturing will never again be, what it once was, in America....

We need a new vision, a new goal, to lift Americans up.

We are heading toward a Technological Utopia where we will be able to make anything, pretty much, that we will need from food to clothing and automobiles.

But that is still about 20 years down the road as we approach a Technological Singularity. The trouble is we have to help each other survive in good confidence with a feeling of security till we can get to the Singularity for everyone.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Pandora`s box....


Manufacturing will never again be, what it once was, in America....

We need a new vision, a new goal, to lift Americans up.

We are heading toward a Technological Utopia where we will be able to make anything, pretty much, that we will need from food to clothing and automobiles.

But that is still about 20 years down the road as we approach a Technological Singularity. The trouble is we have to help each other survive in good confidence with a feeling of security till we can get to the Singularity for everyone.

It is kind of annoying to hear northern and northwestern people cry and complain about losing their precious manufacturing jobs. Everyone else in the world has accepted that but when I hear them on television crying and sniffling about 'please bring my job back' then it just pisses me off that the same people won't do anything else but place widget A on Box B in life. Can't they find new skills or something?

 

[Dekster]

He is right. Service sector does not have to be low paying, but we are going to a service economy.

No, we are not.

We are going to be a barter economy if Open Borders Zealots are not put back in their cages.

unlikely we will ever be a barter economy because our wants are so wide. the US is a mature economy that is stagnating, not in small part to the demographic bulge that is hoarding capital. There are better returns on investment in Asia and after that South America. It has really been a couple generations since there has been a scientific/technological breakthrough that has fundamentally changed society. Until we have one, this is about as good as it gets.

Dude, the Robotics Revolution is a vast job killing machine, and I am not going to argue the point with an ideological pinhead like you.

Your inability to defend your ramblings is well documented. Robotics are not a transformation. They are just machines that do the same shit people have been doing for generations. Curing cancer would be transfornative; harnessing cold fusion or energy would be transformative.

Most of use will be making our own commodities we will need and trading those hand crafted goods for other things other people make; a barter economy, because vanished jobs will eliminate cash from the economy 85% of use will be working on.

Most people are too lazy to cook dinner unless it involves a microwave or something in a bag ready in 10 minutes. Good luck getting them to weave their own cloth to sew their own clothes.

 

[hadit]

Low skilled, manual labor jobs are being replaced with automation, and as long as the total cost of hiring a human is greater than the total cost of buying a machine that does the same job, will not return.

"Protecting jobs" is a mathematical exercise. If it's cheaper to build a factory in Malaysia than one in Detroit, guess where it's going to be built? And if you try to force it to be built in Detroit, it's going to be populated by machines that do all the work. Either way, prices will go up to cover the added expense of manufacturing in the US.

 

[owebo]

He is right. Service sector does not have to be low paying, but we are going to a service economy.

We do not have to live like that however.....

 

[NYcarbineer]

We could force the jobs back, but neither party has the political will to do it.

It doesn't help when your protectionist wing is represented by a sociopath.

Bernie was the right choice.

 

[JimBowie1958]

It is kind of annoying to hear northern and northwestern people cry and complain about losing their precious manufacturing jobs. Everyone else in the world has accepted that but when I hear them on television crying and sniffling about 'please bring my job back' then it just pisses me off that the same people won't do anything else but place widget A on Box B in life. Can't they find new skills or something?

Lol, what an ignorant and pig headed response.

Lets take Bill, a guy who has worked at XWZ making widgets for 25 years. That is all he knows how to do, but he made enough money doing it to support his family, and almost pay off his mortgage. He has been a law abiding citizen, paying his debts, avoiding trouble, raising his kids right and to believe that if you work hard, save your money and live a moral life you can find success here in America - hence the Americans Dream.

But now XYZ is shutting down the plant in his town, throwing him out of a job, and moving the plant to Vietnam to take advantage of the cheapo labor and corporate friendly laws over there. Now Bill is losing his house, his kids cant go to college and he has no relatives to help him out as he is an only child and his parents died years ago.

What is Bill going to do?

He will vote to put people like Sanders in office where they will strip YOU ass holes of your property to distribute to homeless unemployed people like him, dumbass.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Low skilled, manual labor jobs are being replaced with automation, and as long as the total cost of hiring a human is greater than the total cost of buying a machine that does the same job, will not return.

"Protecting jobs" is a mathematical exercise. If it's cheaper to build a factory in Malaysia than one in Detroit, guess where it's going to be built? And if you try to force it to be built in Detroit, it's going to be populated by machines that do all the work. Either way, prices will go up to cover the added expense of manufacturing in the US.

So your position is that the US is in decline and there's no way to stop it,

at least until we hit economic equilibrium with the rest of the world.