Democrat Donor; the Jobs are Gone and Americans Need to Stop Whining About it

[JimBowie1958]

We could force the jobs back, but neither party has the political will to do it.

It doesn't help when your protectionist wing is represented by a sociopath.

Bernie was the right choice.

Trump is not a sociopath, you fucking liar.

He is the last chance the American people have to breaking down the Corporate Crony Network.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is kind of annoying to hear northern and northwestern people cry and complain about losing their precious manufacturing jobs. Everyone else in the world has accepted that but when I hear them on television crying and sniffling about 'please bring my job back' then it just pisses me off that the same people won't do anything else but place widget A on Box B in life. Can't they find new skills or something?

Lol, what an ignorant and pig headed response.

Lets take Bill, a guy who has worked at XWZ making widgets for 25 years. That is all he knows how to do, but he made enough money doing it to support his family, and almost pay off his mortgage. He has been a law abiding citizen, paying his debts, avoiding trouble, raising his kids right and to believe that if you work hard, save your money and live a moral life you can find success here in America - hence the Americans Dream.

But now XYZ is shutting down the plant in his town, throwing him out of a job, and moving the plant to Vietnam to take advantage of the cheapo labor and corporate friendly laws over there. Now Bill is losing his house, his kids cant go to college and he has no relatives to help him out as he is an only child and his parents died years ago.

What is Bill going to do?

He will vote to put people like Sanders in office where they will strip YOU ass holes of your property to distribute to homeless unemployed people like him, dumbass.

You would start to fix it by denying Vietnamese importers free access to our markets. You could require Vietnamese manufacturers, at the very least, to pay American minimum wage,

or pay the difference in their labor costs in the form of a tariff.

 

[Freewill]

This is why the Democratic Party is not the party of the American worker any more. That party has become owned by Wall Street and K Street and it will take a successful voter revolt to change that, as the Republicans had in the GOP.

The choice here for Democrats especially is 'Do you want to have a Corporate Crony like Hillary Clinton win for your party, or do you want to take control of your party back from the Oligarchs on Wall Street?'

That is the only relevant choice for you, all the media hysteria about Trump that you know is bullshit anyway, is all irrelevant.

Will you help us retake control of American politics by denying Hillary the Oval Office, or will you seal said control for the Oligarchs for another 4 years with rising crime, anemic economic growth and escalating misery? If Trump loses, the Oligarchs will reclaim the GOP, make no doubt about that, and that might be our last chance to clean American politics up.

Elite Financier Dismisses Manufacturing Jobs

Multimillionaire financier and loyal Democrat Steve Rattner thinks working Americans concerned with the availability of manufacturing jobs are just a bunch of crybabies who need to quit complaining and accept their miserable futures....

Instead, Rattner says Americans must adapt and plan for careers with "some intellectual content," such as education, health services, or IT. But not every American is a scholar and not every American can afford higher education. For an increasing number of working Americans who can't magically become productive white-collar workers overnight, the only option is a choice between low-paying service industry jobs, welfare, or a combination of both.

Apparently Rattner — who lives in a multi-million dollar Manhattan apartment, spends summers on his Martha's Vineyard estate, and owns a horse farm in North Salem — can't understand why Americans who were once able to provide for their families by working a $60,000-per-year factory job aren't happy with the prospect of trying to make ends meet working for less than half of that flipping burgers.

Rattner's arrogant indifference is only highlighted by the fact that he owes his fortune to a career on Wall Street, which — unlike Main Street America — benefits greatly from globalization. Rattner was an investment banker at Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, and Lazard Freres & Co., and now runs a private investment firm.

the unskilled goober jobs are gone

Don't have to be. Clinton and NAFTA took care of getting rid of them and that can be fixed, but not by Hillary who was all for NAFTA and now TPP. Sorry, I don't trust her negotiating these types of deals with fast tract.

 

[NYcarbineer]

We could force the jobs back, but neither party has the political will to do it.

It doesn't help when your protectionist wing is represented by a sociopath.

Bernie was the right choice.

Trump is not a sociopath, you fucking liar.

He is the last chance the American people have to breaking down the Corporate Crony Network.

lol, keep throwing those fits. I'm entertained.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is why the Democratic Party is not the party of the American worker any more. That party has become owned by Wall Street and K Street and it will take a successful voter revolt to change that, as the Republicans had in the GOP.

The choice here for Democrats especially is 'Do you want to have a Corporate Crony like Hillary Clinton win for your party, or do you want to take control of your party back from the Oligarchs on Wall Street?'

That is the only relevant choice for you, all the media hysteria about Trump that you know is bullshit anyway, is all irrelevant.

Will you help us retake control of American politics by denying Hillary the Oval Office, or will you seal said control for the Oligarchs for another 4 years with rising crime, anemic economic growth and escalating misery? If Trump loses, the Oligarchs will reclaim the GOP, make no doubt about that, and that might be our last chance to clean American politics up.

Elite Financier Dismisses Manufacturing Jobs

Multimillionaire financier and loyal Democrat Steve Rattner thinks working Americans concerned with the availability of manufacturing jobs are just a bunch of crybabies who need to quit complaining and accept their miserable futures....

Instead, Rattner says Americans must adapt and plan for careers with "some intellectual content," such as education, health services, or IT. But not every American is a scholar and not every American can afford higher education. For an increasing number of working Americans who can't magically become productive white-collar workers overnight, the only option is a choice between low-paying service industry jobs, welfare, or a combination of both.

Apparently Rattner — who lives in a multi-million dollar Manhattan apartment, spends summers on his Martha's Vineyard estate, and owns a horse farm in North Salem — can't understand why Americans who were once able to provide for their families by working a $60,000-per-year factory job aren't happy with the prospect of trying to make ends meet working for less than half of that flipping burgers.

Rattner's arrogant indifference is only highlighted by the fact that he owes his fortune to a career on Wall Street, which — unlike Main Street America — benefits greatly from globalization. Rattner was an investment banker at Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, and Lazard Freres & Co., and now runs a private investment firm.

the unskilled goober jobs are gone

Don't have to be. Clinton and NAFTA took care of getting rid of them and that can be fixed, but not by Hillary who was all for NAFTA and now TPP. Sorry, I don't trust her negotiating these types of deals with fast tract.

The Republican party is not anti-Nafta, etc. Trump is an outlier.

 

[Freewill]

Pandora`s box....


Manufacturing will never again be, what it once was, in America....

We need a new vision, a new goal, to lift Americans up.

It doesn't have to be that way. Americans can make socks, gym shoes and even the robots that might replace them. They don't have to be made in some third world crap hole.

 

[owebo]

We could force the jobs back, but neither party has the political will to do it.

It doesn't help when your protectionist wing is represented by a sociopath.

Bernie was the right choice.

Trump is not a sociopath, you fucking liar.

He is the last chance the American people have to breaking down the Corporate Crony Network.

lol, keep throwing those fits. I'm entertained.

In between licking Windows I assume....

 

[Freewill]

This is why the Democratic Party is not the party of the American worker any more. That party has become owned by Wall Street and K Street and it will take a successful voter revolt to change that, as the Republicans had in the GOP.

The choice here for Democrats especially is 'Do you want to have a Corporate Crony like Hillary Clinton win for your party, or do you want to take control of your party back from the Oligarchs on Wall Street?'

That is the only relevant choice for you, all the media hysteria about Trump that you know is bullshit anyway, is all irrelevant.

Will you help us retake control of American politics by denying Hillary the Oval Office, or will you seal said control for the Oligarchs for another 4 years with rising crime, anemic economic growth and escalating misery? If Trump loses, the Oligarchs will reclaim the GOP, make no doubt about that, and that might be our last chance to clean American politics up.

Elite Financier Dismisses Manufacturing Jobs

Multimillionaire financier and loyal Democrat Steve Rattner thinks working Americans concerned with the availability of manufacturing jobs are just a bunch of crybabies who need to quit complaining and accept their miserable futures....

Instead, Rattner says Americans must adapt and plan for careers with "some intellectual content," such as education, health services, or IT. But not every American is a scholar and not every American can afford higher education. For an increasing number of working Americans who can't magically become productive white-collar workers overnight, the only option is a choice between low-paying service industry jobs, welfare, or a combination of both.

Apparently Rattner — who lives in a multi-million dollar Manhattan apartment, spends summers on his Martha's Vineyard estate, and owns a horse farm in North Salem — can't understand why Americans who were once able to provide for their families by working a $60,000-per-year factory job aren't happy with the prospect of trying to make ends meet working for less than half of that flipping burgers.

Rattner's arrogant indifference is only highlighted by the fact that he owes his fortune to a career on Wall Street, which — unlike Main Street America — benefits greatly from globalization. Rattner was an investment banker at Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, and Lazard Freres & Co., and now runs a private investment firm.

the unskilled goober jobs are gone

Don't have to be. Clinton and NAFTA took care of getting rid of them and that can be fixed, but not by Hillary who was all for NAFTA and now TPP. Sorry, I don't trust her negotiating these types of deals with fast tract.

The Republican party is not anti-Nafta, etc. Trump is an outlier.

Exactly, and Hillary is not an outlier.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Robotics are not a transformation. They are just machines that do the same shit people have been doing for generations.

Lol, and this is exhibit G, your honor, that the defendant does not know what the hell he is talking about.

Robotic Revolution

White collar labor:

A Computer Just Came Up With a Scientific Theory

AI learns and recreates Nobel-winning physics experiment

http://singularityhub.com/2015/05/1...ring-it-on/#.VXZJLMvumGs.google_plusone_share

Teaching old robots new tricks: Machines swap skills 325 miles apart

Scientists want to build a ‘new class of computer’ that can control physical matter - Factor

Fears robots will take over world by becoming lawyers, architects and doctors

These robots just want to blend in

Self-flying helicopter makes first 30 mile journey in Connecticut


Blue collar labor

Robot bricklayer can build a whole house in two days

http://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/robots-to-pick-fruit-and-drive-tractors/2701375/

http://www.futureforall.org/nanotechnology/nanobots.html

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5538320/behold-the-first-nanobot-assembly-line-in-action


Robots ubiquitous

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/...part-2/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/05/04/bill-gross-what-to-do-after-the-robots-take-our-jobs/


Our future masters?

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...n-humans-life-useless-artificial-intelligence

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...artificial-intelligence-that-won-t-destroy-us

http://fortune.com/2015/06/25/apple-wozniak-robots-pets/

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/31/intel...-safe-in-my-people-zoo-5369311/#ixzz3kTfFpN5O

 

[owebo]

Pandora`s box....


Manufacturing will never again be, what it once was, in America....

We need a new vision, a new goal, to lift Americans up.

It doesn't have to be that way. Americans can make socks, gym shoes and even the robots that might replace them. They don't have to be made in some third world crap hole.

The middle class makes stuff....it empowers them....which is why democrats take away their ability to make stuff.....

 

[Iceweasel]

Pandora`s box....


Manufacturing will never again be, what it once was, in America....

We need a new vision, a new goal, to lift Americans up.

...such as ...?

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is why the Democratic Party is not the party of the American worker any more. That party has become owned by Wall Street and K Street and it will take a successful voter revolt to change that, as the Republicans had in the GOP.

The choice here for Democrats especially is 'Do you want to have a Corporate Crony like Hillary Clinton win for your party, or do you want to take control of your party back from the Oligarchs on Wall Street?'

That is the only relevant choice for you, all the media hysteria about Trump that you know is bullshit anyway, is all irrelevant.

Will you help us retake control of American politics by denying Hillary the Oval Office, or will you seal said control for the Oligarchs for another 4 years with rising crime, anemic economic growth and escalating misery? If Trump loses, the Oligarchs will reclaim the GOP, make no doubt about that, and that might be our last chance to clean American politics up.

Elite Financier Dismisses Manufacturing Jobs

Multimillionaire financier and loyal Democrat Steve Rattner thinks working Americans concerned with the availability of manufacturing jobs are just a bunch of crybabies who need to quit complaining and accept their miserable futures....

Instead, Rattner says Americans must adapt and plan for careers with "some intellectual content," such as education, health services, or IT. But not every American is a scholar and not every American can afford higher education. For an increasing number of working Americans who can't magically become productive white-collar workers overnight, the only option is a choice between low-paying service industry jobs, welfare, or a combination of both.

Apparently Rattner — who lives in a multi-million dollar Manhattan apartment, spends summers on his Martha's Vineyard estate, and owns a horse farm in North Salem — can't understand why Americans who were once able to provide for their families by working a $60,000-per-year factory job aren't happy with the prospect of trying to make ends meet working for less than half of that flipping burgers.

Rattner's arrogant indifference is only highlighted by the fact that he owes his fortune to a career on Wall Street, which — unlike Main Street America — benefits greatly from globalization. Rattner was an investment banker at Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, and Lazard Freres & Co., and now runs a private investment firm.

the unskilled goober jobs are gone

Don't have to be. Clinton and NAFTA took care of getting rid of them and that can be fixed, but not by Hillary who was all for NAFTA and now TPP. Sorry, I don't trust her negotiating these types of deals with fast tract.

The Republican party is not anti-Nafta, etc. Trump is an outlier.

Exactly, and Hillary is not an outlier.

The Democratic Party as a whole is more protectionist than the GOP.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You would start to fix it by denying Vietnamese importers free access to our markets. You could require Vietnamese manufacturers, at the very least, to pay American minimum wage,

or pay the difference in their labor costs in the form of a tariff.

There is much more than a difference in labor cost, however.

There is also a difference in regulatory costs to business that needs to be equalized as well.

There is also currency manipulation with the worst trading partners and the punitive measures have to be implemented to balance out the triage advantages to moving businesses overseas.

The tax structure that encourages corporations to keep their money overseas must also be changed to encourage them to bring it back.

then we need to hang the damned pirates that cause this whole mess that Americans are suffering through.

 

[owebo]

This is why the Democratic Party is not the party of the American worker any more. That party has become owned by Wall Street and K Street and it will take a successful voter revolt to change that, as the Republicans had in the GOP.

The choice here for Democrats especially is 'Do you want to have a Corporate Crony like Hillary Clinton win for your party, or do you want to take control of your party back from the Oligarchs on Wall Street?'

That is the only relevant choice for you, all the media hysteria about Trump that you know is bullshit anyway, is all irrelevant.

Will you help us retake control of American politics by denying Hillary the Oval Office, or will you seal said control for the Oligarchs for another 4 years with rising crime, anemic economic growth and escalating misery? If Trump loses, the Oligarchs will reclaim the GOP, make no doubt about that, and that might be our last chance to clean American politics up.

Elite Financier Dismisses Manufacturing Jobs

Multimillionaire financier and loyal Democrat Steve Rattner thinks working Americans concerned with the availability of manufacturing jobs are just a bunch of crybabies who need to quit complaining and accept their miserable futures....

Instead, Rattner says Americans must adapt and plan for careers with "some intellectual content," such as education, health services, or IT. But not every American is a scholar and not every American can afford higher education. For an increasing number of working Americans who can't magically become productive white-collar workers overnight, the only option is a choice between low-paying service industry jobs, welfare, or a combination of both.

Apparently Rattner — who lives in a multi-million dollar Manhattan apartment, spends summers on his Martha's Vineyard estate, and owns a horse farm in North Salem — can't understand why Americans who were once able to provide for their families by working a $60,000-per-year factory job aren't happy with the prospect of trying to make ends meet working for less than half of that flipping burgers.

Rattner's arrogant indifference is only highlighted by the fact that he owes his fortune to a career on Wall Street, which — unlike Main Street America — benefits greatly from globalization. Rattner was an investment banker at Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, and Lazard Freres & Co., and now runs a private investment firm.

the unskilled goober jobs are gone

Don't have to be. Clinton and NAFTA took care of getting rid of them and that can be fixed, but not by Hillary who was all for NAFTA and now TPP. Sorry, I don't trust her negotiating these types of deals with fast tract.

The Republican party is not anti-Nafta, etc. Trump is an outlier.

Exactly, and Hillary is not an outlier.

The Democratic Party as a whole is more protectionist than the GOP.

You mean feudal.....

 

[Dekster]

Robotics are not a transformation. They are just machines that do the same shit people have been doing for generations.

Lol, and this is exhibit G, your honor, that the defendant does not know what the hell he is talking about.

Robotic Revolution

White collar labor:

A Computer Just Came Up With a Scientific Theory

AI learns and recreates Nobel-winning physics experiment

AI More Like Iron Man's JARVIS Is Coming This Next Decade…Bring It On

Teaching old robots new tricks: Machines swap skills 325 miles apart

Scientists want to build a ‘new class of computer’ that can control physical matter - Factor

Fears robots will take over world by becoming lawyers, architects and doctors

These robots just want to blend in

Self-flying helicopter makes first 30 mile journey in Connecticut


Blue collar labor

Robot bricklayer can build a whole house in two days

Robots picking fruit and driving tractors?

Nanobots | Nanorobotics | Micro Robot

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5538320/behold-the-first-nanobot-assembly-line-in-action


Robots ubiquitous

Zoltan Istvan: 'Half of Americans Will Probably Have a Robot in Their House' Within 5 Years - Breitbart

Bill Gross: What to Do After the Robots Take Our Jobs


Our future masters?

AI will create 'useless class' of human, predicts bestselling historian

Scientists Ponder How to Create Artificial Intelligence That Won’t Destroy Us

Apple's Co-founder Thinks We're All Going To Be Enslaved By Robots One Day

Intelligent robot tells interviewer, ‘I’ll keep you safe in my people zoo’

You just proved my point. You just aren't smart enough to realize it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Republican party is not anti-Nafta, etc. Trump is an outlier.

Trump won by far most of the REpublican votes.

No, the neocons, who have always been a tiny minority in the GOP, are the outliers, but they have most of the cash.

 

[RodISHI]

This argument always makes me laugh.

the jobs were offshored because the incentive was there to do it. it's math.

take those incentives away and some may come back, some that are still leaving (yes, it's still going on) may be dissuaded from leaving.

bottom line, throwing our hands up and saying 'game over' isn't much of a plan in terms of doing what we can to protect jobs here. In fact, it's no plan at all.

But that is the line the Globalists use because they dont have the facts on their side, and they know that mindless parrots will repeat their lies for them for ever.

Many of those "mindless parrots" are paid to repeat the ilk.

 

[Freewill]

Pandora`s box....


Manufacturing will never again be, what it once was, in America....

We need a new vision, a new goal, to lift Americans up.

It doesn't have to be that way. Americans can make socks, gym shoes and even the robots that might replace them. They don't have to be made in some third world crap hole.

The middle class makes stuff....it empowers them....which is why democrats take away their ability to make stuff.....

IT IS BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. Sorry to yell. NAFTA would not pass without support from both sides of the aisle. The only way the democrats, at the time, were going to support it was if there was a democrat president pushing for NAFTA. Which Bill and Hillary did harder than anything else during their presidentcy.

We are at a crossroads and a unique opportunity. We can elect someone who the establishment of both sides of the aisle simple loathe. Or elect the establishment darling and nothing will change.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Democratic Party as a whole is more protectionist than the GOP.

Not any more, as the OP proves.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Pandora`s box....


Manufacturing will never again be, what it once was, in America....

We need a new vision, a new goal, to lift Americans up.

It doesn't have to be that way. Americans can make socks, gym shoes and even the robots that might replace them. They don't have to be made in some third world crap hole.

The middle class makes stuff....it empowers them....which is why democrats take away their ability to make stuff.....

IT IS BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. Sorry to yell. NAFTA would not pass without support from both sides of the aisle. The only way the democrats, at the time, were going to support it was if there was a democrat president pushing for NAFTA. Which Bill and Hillary did harder than anything else during their presidentcy.

We are at a crossroads and a unique opportunity. We can elect someone who the establishment of both sides of the aisle simple loathe. Or elect the establishment darling and nothing will change.