Democrat Party supporters please explain this.

[citygator]

My responses :

• Biden denounced rioting but the reason you don’t think so is that is ALL you wanted him to do. The biggest issue was a justice system that isn’t always just. That’s what needed attention. That’s what is broken. Rioting happens after frocking Eagles wins for God sakes. It’s not systemically broken.
• Your COVID view is tunnel vision. Populous dense places with lots of international travel got hit the hardest early why you’d make that a red blue issue is nuts. Now you have red states getting it much worse. The issue was a coordinated action plan failed early.
• Half of Democrats are white. There is no “white” culture so what are you looking for? There is only Irish or polish or whatever people are. There is no yellow culture or Asian culture, it’s Japanese or Indian culture or whatever. There is Black culture because that’s the only enslaved people who have no idea where they are from. They have a unique experience thats worthy of considering when you get up in arms about not being special for being white.
• ANTIFA is an idea like racists are an idea. Go fight racists. Almost all deaths from extremists in 2019 were right wing racists groups. Every death from extremists in 2018 were right wing racist groups. Go get them.
• Calling out Police brutality that is sanctioned by the state and regularly unpunished isnt disrespecting the police.
• The trophy comment is bull shit. Every generation thinks the current one is dumb and lazy. You’re not unique in your age bigotry.
• More race comments by you. Not sure I can add to your self reflective journey of acceptance
• More Jews are Democrats. Democrats are generally accepting of other cultures like Jews...and yea, Muslims.
• Students don’t go into medicine only for the money but regardless single payer or nationalized healthcare doesn’t stop Doctors from making money - Canadian doctors make 90% of what US doctors make. My sons in med school.
• Only racists ideas are racist. Don’t raise racists. I didn’t
• Come on. If minimum wage rose with productivity since 1968 it would be $18 per hour. Companies just pocketed all the savings. More for the haves. Less for the have nots.
• More white sad story? Come on. Democrats who are white must have bigger balls.
• Bad ideas are bad ideas. Conservative views are dog whistle for xenophobic or homophobic ideas at times. Is that what you mean? Or are you afraid small government and fiscal responsibility is going to be racist? Come on now.
• Sports competitions have a real challenge on competitive play but seriously that is not a culture problem to die on a sword about. We’ll figure it out. Bathrooms are safe. They always are. Hell I’ve used ladies rooms before due to plumbing issues or whatever. No one was injured.

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Nothing but it’s also OK to state whether you feel the concerns in the OP are overall legitimate.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

My responses :

• Biden denounced rioting but the reason you don’t think so is that is ALL you wanted him to do. The biggest issue was a justice system that isn’t always just. That’s what needed attention. That’s what is broken. Rioting happens after frocking Eagles wins for God sakes. It’s not systemically broken.
• Your COVID view is tunnel vision. Populous dense places with lots of international travel got hit the hardest early why you’d make that a red blue issue is nuts. Now you have red states getting it much worse. The issue was a coordinated action plan failed early.
• Half of Democrats are white. There is no “white” culture so what are you looking for? There is only Irish or polish or whatever people are. There is no yellow culture or Asian culture, it’s Japanese or Indian culture or whatever. There is Black culture because that’s the only enslaved people who have no idea where they are from. They have a unique experience thats worthy of considering when you get up in arms about not being special for being white.
• ANTIFA is an idea like racists are an idea. Go fight racists. Almost all deaths from extremists in 2019 were right wing racists groups. Every death from extremists in 2018 were right wing racist groups. Go get them.
• Calling out Police brutality that is sanctioned by the state and regularly unpunished isnt disrespecting the police.
• The trophy comment is bull shit. Every generation thinks the current one is dumb and lazy. You’re not unique in your age bigotry.
• More race comments by you. Not sure I can add to your self reflective journey of acceptance
• More Jews are Democrats. Democrats are generally accepting of other cultures like Jews...and yea, Muslims.
• Students don’t go into medicine only for the money but regardless single payer or nationalized healthcare doesn’t stop Doctors from making money - Canadian doctors make 90% of what US doctors make. My sons in med school.
• Only racists ideas are racist. Don’t raise racists. I didn’t
• Come on. If minimum wage rose with productivity since 1968 it would be $18 per hour. Companies just pocketed all the savings. More for the haves. Less for the have nots.
• More white sad story? Come on. Democrats who are white must have bigger balls.
• Bad ideas are bad ideas. Conservative views are dog whistle for xenophobic or homophobic ideas at times. Is that what you mean? Or are you afraid small government and fiscal responsibility is going to be racist? Come on now.
• Sports competitions have a real challenge on competitive play but seriously that is not a culture problem to die on a sword about. We’ll figure it out. Bathrooms are safe. They always are. Hell I’ve used ladies rooms before due to plumbing issues or whatever. No one was injured.

I said locker rooms not bathrooms. Have you use ladies locker rooms. Link average doctor salaries and in US and Canada please and then link the average cost of education.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

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I said locker room not bathroom and you’re using odd one off examples.

 

[Indeependent]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Because life is not that simple and you will spend the next 10 days ignoring all the other crap that is just as harmful to our society.
And because when an ideology goes awry, ignoring the overall effect of the ideology is not good.

The core issue is the ideology that says, "Let it all hang out".

 

[citygator]

My responses :

• Biden denounced rioting but the reason you don’t think so is that is ALL you wanted him to do. The biggest issue was a justice system that isn’t always just. That’s what needed attention. That’s what is broken. Rioting happens after frocking Eagles wins for God sakes. It’s not systemically broken.
• Your COVID view is tunnel vision. Populous dense places with lots of international travel got hit the hardest early why you’d make that a red blue issue is nuts. Now you have red states getting it much worse. The issue was a coordinated action plan failed early.
• Half of Democrats are white. There is no “white” culture so what are you looking for? There is only Irish or polish or whatever people are. There is no yellow culture or Asian culture, it’s Japanese or Indian culture or whatever. There is Black culture because that’s the only enslaved people who have no idea where they are from. They have a unique experience thats worthy of considering when you get up in arms about not being special for being white.
• ANTIFA is an idea like racists are an idea. Go fight racists. Almost all deaths from extremists in 2019 were right wing racists groups. Every death from extremists in 2018 were right wing racist groups. Go get them.
• Calling out Police brutality that is sanctioned by the state and regularly unpunished isnt disrespecting the police.
• The trophy comment is bull shit. Every generation thinks the current one is dumb and lazy. You’re not unique in your age bigotry.
• More race comments by you. Not sure I can add to your self reflective journey of acceptance
• More Jews are Democrats. Democrats are generally accepting of other cultures like Jews...and yea, Muslims.
• Students don’t go into medicine only for the money but regardless single payer or nationalized healthcare doesn’t stop Doctors from making money - Canadian doctors make 90% of what US doctors make. My sons in med school.
• Only racists ideas are racist. Don’t raise racists. I didn’t
• Come on. If minimum wage rose with productivity since 1968 it would be $18 per hour. Companies just pocketed all the savings. More for the haves. Less for the have nots.
• More white sad story? Come on. Democrats who are white must have bigger balls.
• Bad ideas are bad ideas. Conservative views are dog whistle for xenophobic or homophobic ideas at times. Is that what you mean? Or are you afraid small government and fiscal responsibility is going to be racist? Come on now.
• Sports competitions have a real challenge on competitive play but seriously that is not a culture problem to die on a sword about. We’ll figure it out. Bathrooms are safe. They always are. Hell I’ve used ladies rooms before due to plumbing issues or whatever. No one was injured.

I said locker rooms not bathrooms. Have you use ladies locker rooms. Link average doctor salaries and in US and Canada please and then link the average cost of education.

Nope. You can do that yourself. I just told you they make 90%. Something like $330k vs $370k. Everything is more expensive in the uS so they are early equivalent when adjusted. Doctors are broke you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Indeependent]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

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The issue is that the signs infer that you can open your zipper wherever you please, whenever you please.
Based on a mood, a man can feel like a man one day and girl the next.
This is a perversion of societal norms to garner votes..

 

[my2¢]

I filled out my ballot yesterday and went with Biden (D), Mark Kelly (D) for Senate and Andy Biggs (R) for the House. Why? Because my annoyances are different than yours. As well they should be. You're about to turn 40, I just turned 66. You're raising a family, my kids have been out on their own for some time now. You're running a business, I retired a week after Trump's inaugural.

I'll generalize a group of your issues as "law and order". I regard these as a local, not national, issues which I take into consideration in my city and county elections. All I expect from national politicians on these matters is demagoguery.

Covid-19. (1) I believe Trump by underplaying the seriousness of the situation empowered the medical scientist. State officials came to rely upon Fauci. In comparison, looking back at how federal health organizations were controlled during the Swine Flu pandemic (YouTube is a good source), the Obama administration following George W Bush's playbook played it in a way which I would compare to putting a governor on a car's engine. (2) I believe it was natural for locations where population density is high to be hit especially hard.

Racial issues. You're less than 4 years older than my eldest son. It is like a whole 'nother world between how it was and how it is now and what still lingers. My attitude leans a bit more to the left than Trump's but regarding the Democrats handling, I have to go back to that word, demagoguery,

"Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age." This one to me is also more of a local issue.

On healthcare, you state, "medical school is so pricey". My off the top of the head idea would be scholarships in return for public service for those that have the ability and ambition to be good doctors, but lack the funds. But one thing I take note on medical bills is comparing the cost of charges under a health plan as compared to the cost for the same procedure without insurance. It seems the people that can least afford it are hit with the biggest bills. Haven't heard either candidate address this adequately.

One more and I have to go.

"my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified" 100% in agreement with you. I don't know what happened to liberals. Seems ever since the popularity of Rush Limbaugh they've become adverse to civic debate.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

My responses :

• Biden denounced rioting but the reason you don’t think so is that is ALL you wanted him to do. The biggest issue was a justice system that isn’t always just. That’s what needed attention. That’s what is broken. Rioting happens after frocking Eagles wins for God sakes. It’s not systemically broken.
• Your COVID view is tunnel vision. Populous dense places with lots of international travel got hit the hardest early why you’d make that a red blue issue is nuts. Now you have red states getting it much worse. The issue was a coordinated action plan failed early.
• Half of Democrats are white. There is no “white” culture so what are you looking for? There is only Irish or polish or whatever people are. There is no yellow culture or Asian culture, it’s Japanese or Indian culture or whatever. There is Black culture because that’s the only enslaved people who have no idea where they are from. They have a unique experience thats worthy of considering when you get up in arms about not being special for being white.
• ANTIFA is an idea like racists are an idea. Go fight racists. Almost all deaths from extremists in 2019 were right wing racists groups. Every death from extremists in 2018 were right wing racist groups. Go get them.
• Calling out Police brutality that is sanctioned by the state and regularly unpunished isnt disrespecting the police.
• The trophy comment is bull shit. Every generation thinks the current one is dumb and lazy. You’re not unique in your age bigotry.
• More race comments by you. Not sure I can add to your self reflective journey of acceptance
• More Jews are Democrats. Democrats are generally accepting of other cultures like Jews...and yea, Muslims.
• Students don’t go into medicine only for the money but regardless single payer or nationalized healthcare doesn’t stop Doctors from making money - Canadian doctors make 90% of what US doctors make. My sons in med school.
• Only racists ideas are racist. Don’t raise racists. I didn’t
• Come on. If minimum wage rose with productivity since 1968 it would be $18 per hour. Companies just pocketed all the savings. More for the haves. Less for the have nots.
• More white sad story? Come on. Democrats who are white must have bigger balls.
• Bad ideas are bad ideas. Conservative views are dog whistle for xenophobic or homophobic ideas at times. Is that what you mean? Or are you afraid small government and fiscal responsibility is going to be racist? Come on now.
• Sports competitions have a real challenge on competitive play but seriously that is not a culture problem to die on a sword about. We’ll figure it out. Bathrooms are safe. They always are. Hell I’ve used ladies rooms before due to plumbing issues or whatever. No one was injured.

I said locker rooms not bathrooms. Have you use ladies locker rooms. Link average doctor salaries and in US and Canada please and then link the average cost of education.

Nope. You can do that yourself. I just told you they make 90%. Something like $330k vs $370k. Everything is more expensive in the uS so they are early equivalent when adjusted. Doctors are broke you are barking up the wrong tree.

You made the claim, back it up. USMB rules. But I can live with that. You failed. You failed to convince me why it’s OK to vilify those who disagree with you politically and again the cost to become a doctor is a lot lower in Canada and Canada doesn’t need to worry about border security or military spend so they can afford to have lower education costs.

 

[Indeependent]

My responses :

• Biden denounced rioting but the reason you don’t think so is that is ALL you wanted him to do. The biggest issue was a justice system that isn’t always just. That’s what needed attention. That’s what is broken. Rioting happens after frocking Eagles wins for God sakes. It’s not systemically broken.
• Your COVID view is tunnel vision. Populous dense places with lots of international travel got hit the hardest early why you’d make that a red blue issue is nuts. Now you have red states getting it much worse. The issue was a coordinated action plan failed early.
• Half of Democrats are white. There is no “white” culture so what are you looking for? There is only Irish or polish or whatever people are. There is no yellow culture or Asian culture, it’s Japanese or Indian culture or whatever. There is Black culture because that’s the only enslaved people who have no idea where they are from. They have a unique experience thats worthy of considering when you get up in arms about not being special for being white.
• ANTIFA is an idea like racists are an idea. Go fight racists. Almost all deaths from extremists in 2019 were right wing racists groups. Every death from extremists in 2018 were right wing racist groups. Go get them.
• Calling out Police brutality that is sanctioned by the state and regularly unpunished isnt disrespecting the police.
• The trophy comment is bull shit. Every generation thinks the current one is dumb and lazy. You’re not unique in your age bigotry.
• More race comments by you. Not sure I can add to your self reflective journey of acceptance
• More Jews are Democrats. Democrats are generally accepting of other cultures like Jews...and yea, Muslims.
• Students don’t go into medicine only for the money but regardless single payer or nationalized healthcare doesn’t stop Doctors from making money - Canadian doctors make 90% of what US doctors make. My sons in med school.
• Only racists ideas are racist. Don’t raise racists. I didn’t
• Come on. If minimum wage rose with productivity since 1968 it would be $18 per hour. Companies just pocketed all the savings. More for the haves. Less for the have nots.
• More white sad story? Come on. Democrats who are white must have bigger balls.
• Bad ideas are bad ideas. Conservative views are dog whistle for xenophobic or homophobic ideas at times. Is that what you mean? Or are you afraid small government and fiscal responsibility is going to be racist? Come on now.
• Sports competitions have a real challenge on competitive play but seriously that is not a culture problem to die on a sword about. We’ll figure it out. Bathrooms are safe. They always are. Hell I’ve used ladies rooms before due to plumbing issues or whatever. No one was injured.

I said locker rooms not bathrooms. Have you use ladies locker rooms. Link average doctor salaries and in US and Canada please and then link the average cost of education.

Nope. You can do that yourself. I just told you they make 90%. Something like $330k vs $370k. Everything is more expensive in the uS so they are early equivalent when adjusted. Doctors are broke you are barking up the wrong tree.

So how dis Americans survive before Reagan opened our borders and started the destruction of the middle and lower class?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I filled out my ballot yesterday and went with Biden (D), Mark Kelly (D) for Senate and Andy Biggs (R) for the House. Why? Because my annoyances are different than yours. As well they should be. You're about to turn 40, I just turned 66. You're raising a family, my kids have been out on their own for some time now. You're running a business, I retired a week after Trump's inaugural.

I'll generalize a group of your issues as "law and order". I regard these as a local, not national, issues which I take into consideration in my city and county elections. All I expect from national politicians on these matters is demagoguery.

Covid-19. I believe Trump by underplaying the seriousness of the situation empowered the medical scientist. State officials came to rely upon Fauci. In comparison, looking back at how federal health organizations were controlled during the Swine Flu pandemic (YouTube is a good source), the Obama administration following George W Bush's playbook played it in a way which I would compare to putting a governor on a car's engine. Locations where population density is high were hit especially hard.

Racial issues. You're less than 4 years older than my eldest son. It is like a whole 'nother world between how it was and how it is now and what still lingers. My attitude leans a bit more to the left than Trump's but regarding the Democrats handling, I have to go back to that word, demagoguery,

"Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age." This one to me is also more of a local issue.

On healthcare, you state, "medical school is so pricey". My off the top of the head idea would be scholarships in return for public service for those that have the ability and ambition to be good doctors, but lack the funds. But one thing I take note on medical bills is comparing the cost of charges under a health plan as compared to the cost for the same procedure without insurance. It seems the people that can least afford it are hit with the biggest bills. Haven't heard either candidate address this adequately.

One more and I have to go.

"my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified" 100% in agreement with you. I don't know what happened to liberals. Seems ever since the popularity of Rush Limbaugh they've become adverse to civic debate.

Thank you for your thoughtful responses.

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

 

[Indeependent]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

I know gay people who don't advertise.

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Nothing but it’s also OK to state whether you feel the concerns in the OP are overall legitimate.

Of course I do which is why I jumped in so we could talk details. I think it a valuable thing to put both sides of the argument on the table and I think it more effective to do one point at a time

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

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I said locker room not bathroom and you’re using odd one off examples.

Independent brought up bathrooms and I was responding to his comment

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Nothing but it’s also OK to state whether you feel the concerns in the OP are overall legitimate.

Of course I do which is why I jumped in so we could talk details. I think it a valuable thing to put both sides of the argument on the table and I think it more effective to do one point at a time

Thank you. I do not want my girls competing vs boys in LAX or Basketball. To me it’s unfair. Period.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

View attachment 400791

I said locker room not bathroom and you’re using odd one off examples.

Independent brought up bathrooms and I was responding to his comment

I do not want 12 year old girls with 12 year old boys in the same locker room. Sorry.