Democrat Party supporters please explain this.

[Indeependent]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

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I said locker room not bathroom and you’re using odd one off examples.

Independent brought up bathrooms and I was responding to his comment

I do not want 12 year old girls with 12 year old boys in the same locker room. Sorry.

But then politicians won't be able to hire supporters and tax their constituents to purchase and distribute condoms and birth control pills.
It's all a scheme to dumb down and slutify America.

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Because life is not that simple and you will spend the next 10 days ignoring all the other crap that is just as harmful to our society.
And because when an ideology goes awry, ignoring the overall effect of the ideology is not good.

The core issue is the ideology that says, "Let it all hang out".

I see their ideology as one that stands up for the “underdogs” the minorities, the weak, the sick the poor etc. it’s too bad the discourse pushes both sides to these absolutist extremes. It’s rare to find politicians now a days that will discuss common ground. Most people I know in my life have more common ground then not. We’ve let the Wing nuts take power and it’s not a good thing. One reason why I so strongly oppose Trump

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

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The issue is that the signs infer that you can open your zipper wherever you please, whenever you please.
Based on a mood, a man can feel like a man one day and girl the next.
This is a perversion of societal norms to garner votes..

No that’s not what it means. If you can’t be honest then I’m not interested in talking to you

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

I know gay people who don't advertise.

I’ll see if I can get you a medal

 

[Indeependent]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Because life is not that simple and you will spend the next 10 days ignoring all the other crap that is just as harmful to our society.
And because when an ideology goes awry, ignoring the overall effect of the ideology is not good.

The core issue is the ideology that says, "Let it all hang out".

I see their ideology as one that stands up for the “underdogs” the minorities, the weak, the sick the poor etc. it’s too bad the discourse pushes both sides to these absolutist extremes. It’s rare to find politicians now a days that will discuss common ground. Most people I know in my life have more common ground then not. We’ve let the Wing nuts take power and it’s not a good thing. One reason why I so strongly oppose Trump

Minorities are not sexual sluts,
I want social welfare to be based on academic achievement so that within 15 years minorities can be an integral part of middle to upper class society

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

 

[j-mac]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

There is no one running for president in a party named Democrat, now there is in the Democratic Party.

No moon, they are decidedly un Democratic. Actually a better, more transparent name would be the DSA.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Because life is not that simple and you will spend the next 10 days ignoring all the other crap that is just as harmful to our society.
And because when an ideology goes awry, ignoring the overall effect of the ideology is not good.

The core issue is the ideology that says, "Let it all hang out".

I see their ideology as one that stands up for the “underdogs” the minorities, the weak, the sick the poor etc. it’s too bad the discourse pushes both sides to these absolutist extremes. It’s rare to find politicians now a days that will discuss common ground. Most people I know in my life have more common ground then not. We’ve let the Wing nuts take power and it’s not a good thing. One reason why I so strongly oppose Trump

I have only gone “extreme” because now it’s not just me. It’s my wife. It’s my kids. I oppose those sanction free speech. A teacher in my 11 year olds class asked who supports Trump. One boy said he did. She then said she did too so he would not be alone. She doesn’t care one way or another. She is a little kid. The boy was vilified by the teacher. Craziness. Funny she wasn’t. I am proud of her.

 

[Indeependent]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

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The issue is that the signs infer that you can open your zipper wherever you please, whenever you please.
Based on a mood, a man can feel like a man one day and girl the next.
This is a perversion of societal norms to garner votes..

No that’s not what it means. If you can’t be honest then I’m not interested in talking to you

Of course that's what happens; I work with people who live in slums.
Don't talk to me; see if I care.

 

[Indeependent]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Because life is not that simple and you will spend the next 10 days ignoring all the other crap that is just as harmful to our society.
And because when an ideology goes awry, ignoring the overall effect of the ideology is not good.

The core issue is the ideology that says, "Let it all hang out".

I see their ideology as one that stands up for the “underdogs” the minorities, the weak, the sick the poor etc. it’s too bad the discourse pushes both sides to these absolutist extremes. It’s rare to find politicians now a days that will discuss common ground. Most people I know in my life have more common ground then not. We’ve let the Wing nuts take power and it’s not a good thing. One reason why I so strongly oppose Trump

I have only gone “extreme” because now it’s not just me. It’s my wife. It’s my kids. I oppose those sanction free speech. A teacher in my 11 year olds class asked who supports Trump. One boy said he did. She then said she did too so he would not be alone. She doesn’t care one way or another. She is a little kid. The boy was vilified by the teacher. Craziness. Funny she wasn’t. I am proud of her.

You haven't gone extreme; the psychos are running the ward.

 

[Indeependent]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

I know gay people who don't advertise.

I’ll see if I can get you a medal

Text me some condoms while you're at it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

Help in that they are born a boy. See why they identify as a girl as at the age of 12 they are still kids. At 18 they may decide how they wish. See what had caused them to feel this way. It’s not “normal”...suicide rates are extraordinarily high. Imagine if a boy said I identify as a couch. Would we just go along with it or get him some help to see why he feels that way. Me calling him a couch wouldn’t make him a couch.

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Nothing but it’s also OK to state whether you feel the concerns in the OP are overall legitimate.

Of course I do which is why I jumped in so we could talk details. I think it a valuable thing to put both sides of the argument on the table and I think it more effective to do one point at a time

Thank you. I do not want my girls competing vs boys in LAX or Basketball. To me it’s unfair. Period.

I can see how that could be unfair if the trans females come in and dominate the sport, which is why I suggested those kind of athetes compete with the boys. I have a girl on the golf team I coach that also plays on the boys football team as the kicker. No problem with females stepping up and plying with the boys. But you seemed to reject my idea. Why?

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

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I said locker room not bathroom and you’re using odd one off examples.

Independent brought up bathrooms and I was responding to his comment

I do not want 12 year old girls with 12 year old boys in the same locker room. Sorry.

When did I say put them in the same locker room? I suggested a private room for them to change. You said you didn’t like my idea

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Nothing but it’s also OK to state whether you feel the concerns in the OP are overall legitimate.

Of course I do which is why I jumped in so we could talk details. I think it a valuable thing to put both sides of the argument on the table and I think it more effective to do one point at a time

Thank you. I do not want my girls competing vs boys in LAX or Basketball. To me it’s unfair. Period.

I can see how that could be unfair if the trans females come in and dominate the sport, which is why I suggested those kind of athetes compete with the boys. I have a girl on the golf team I coach that also plays on the boys football team as the kicker. No problem with females stepping up and plying with the boys. But you seemed to reject my idea. Why?

That’s fine because they are playing up. Golf is not a contact sport. If a boy wanted to play girls LAX would you be OK with that?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

View attachment 400791

I said locker room not bathroom and you’re using odd one off examples.

Independent brought up bathrooms and I was responding to his comment

I do not want 12 year old girls with 12 year old boys in the same locker room. Sorry.

When did I say put them in the same locker room? I suggested a private room for them to change. You said you didn’t like my idea

So what if there is a shy boy? Should he have his own room too? I said It was a slippery slope. If gender is a social construct then why do they need a private changing room. Why should I change my view of a boy or a girl and go against science because someone is mentally ill? If a boy says they are Bat Man should we call him Bat Man?

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Because life is not that simple and you will spend the next 10 days ignoring all the other crap that is just as harmful to our society.
And because when an ideology goes awry, ignoring the overall effect of the ideology is not good.

The core issue is the ideology that says, "Let it all hang out".

I see their ideology as one that stands up for the “underdogs” the minorities, the weak, the sick the poor etc. it’s too bad the discourse pushes both sides to these absolutist extremes. It’s rare to find politicians now a days that will discuss common ground. Most people I know in my life have more common ground then not. We’ve let the Wing nuts take power and it’s not a good thing. One reason why I so strongly oppose Trump

Minorities are not sexual sluts,
I want social welfare to be based on academic achievement so that within 15 years minorities can be an integral part of middle to upper class society

What Does this post have to do with our conversation?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I also own a business, and a business owner would have to be downright retarded to vote for democrats right now.

First, they spearhead the draconian measures to shut down small business while allowing the giants to continue to operate. Next, they send in their brownshirts to burn down businesses and tell the police to allow them to do so. If that isn't enough, in the cases where their thugs ARE arrested, Biden staff members have a slush fund at hand to bail them out.

Who, in their right mind, would vote for THAT?

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Because life is not that simple and you will spend the next 10 days ignoring all the other crap that is just as harmful to our society.
And because when an ideology goes awry, ignoring the overall effect of the ideology is not good.

The core issue is the ideology that says, "Let it all hang out".

I see their ideology as one that stands up for the “underdogs” the minorities, the weak, the sick the poor etc. it’s too bad the discourse pushes both sides to these absolutist extremes. It’s rare to find politicians now a days that will discuss common ground. Most people I know in my life have more common ground then not. We’ve let the Wing nuts take power and it’s not a good thing. One reason why I so strongly oppose Trump

I have only gone “extreme” because now it’s not just me. It’s my wife. It’s my kids. I oppose those sanction free speech. A teacher in my 11 year olds class asked who supports Trump. One boy said he did. She then said she did too so he would not be alone. She doesn’t care one way or another. She is a little kid. The boy was vilified by the teacher. Craziness. Funny she wasn’t. I am proud of her.

I’d be proud of her too and pissed at the teacher. Sounds like you got a good one there. I’m glad your looking out for her even if we disagree on how some situations should be handled. Sounds like you’re a good father

 

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Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Isn't it amazing how Liberals can only debate 1 issue at a time?

What’s wrong with one at a time?

Because life is not that simple and you will spend the next 10 days ignoring all the other crap that is just as harmful to our society.
And because when an ideology goes awry, ignoring the overall effect of the ideology is not good.

The core issue is the ideology that says, "Let it all hang out".

I see their ideology as one that stands up for the “underdogs” the minorities, the weak, the sick the poor etc. it’s too bad the discourse pushes both sides to these absolutist extremes. It’s rare to find politicians now a days that will discuss common ground. Most people I know in my life have more common ground then not. We’ve let the Wing nuts take power and it’s not a good thing. One reason why I so strongly oppose Trump

Minorities are not sexual sluts,
I want social welfare to be based on academic achievement so that within 15 years minorities can be an integral part of middle to upper class society

What Does this post have to do with our conversation?

As I already stated, the core issue is creating a confused society of weak minded people who know no restrictions and need affirmation for every move they make.
Seriously, can an infant or teenager deal with the word, "No." anymore?
There is reason why even professional sports within a gender separate different levels of proficiency.

In terms of sexuality, our nation is starting to cater to every shade of desire.
Are there really 13 genders?
Are we bringing up such emotionally frail people?