Democrats - "They're Just Being Mean!"

[Billy_Kinetta]

Good for Aetna.

Obama allies cry foul over Aetna snub

 

[konradv]

Time for single-payer.

 

[Mac1958]

A company doesn't make decisions like this because its feelings are hurt.

We could have just expanded the current Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system to all. But no, the Democrats lost their fucking minds and the Republicans cluelessly decided to pretend that everything was just peachy.

So now single payer is on the way.

Our "leaders" continue to fail us.
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[TNHarley]

A company doesn't make decisions like this because its feelings are hurt.

We could have just expanded the current Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system to all. But no, the Democrats lost their fucking minds and the Republicans cluelessly decided to pretend that everything was just peachy.

So now single payer is on the way.

Our "leaders" continue to fail us.
.

Probably the plan all along.
And quit talking shit about them. You continue to vote for it. Now pull the wedgy outta your ass and wait for Nov.

 

[JakeStarkey]

(1) Aetna is not and never was a big player in ACA.

(2) It is time for a medicare-type single payer national health care system.

 

[tinydancer]

(1) Aetna is not and never was a big player in ACA.

(2) It is time for a medicare-type single payer national health care system.

So you can fail with single payer too? Just like Britain?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

My longest wait to get an appointment with my doctor is a few hours. My longest wait in the office so far has been 15 minutes.

A French girl of my acquaintance waits six months for an appointment with an ophthalmologist. I might wait a few weeks, and not at all if there is an issue.

Why would I want to switch to another system?

 

[Moonglow]

Good for Aetna.

Obama allies cry foul over Aetna snub

“What they’re saying doesn’t hold a lot of water,” Topher Spiro, of the liberal Center for American Progress, said of Aetna’s turnabout. “So you have to wonder, what is the real motivation?"

Read more: Obama allies cry foul over Aetna snub
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[Billy_Kinetta]

Good for Aetna.

Obama allies cry foul over Aetna snub

“What they’re saying doesn’t hold a lot of water,” Topher Spiro, of the liberal Center for American Progress, said of Aetna’s turnabout. “So you have to wonder, what is the real motivation?"

Read more: Obama allies cry foul over Aetna snub
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So, you're saying what?

 

[JakeStarkey]

(1) Aetna is not and never was a big player in ACA.

(2) It is time for a medicare-type single payer national health care system.

So you can fail with single payer too? Just like Britain?

Show with facts and evidence that the NHS is a failure.

A single-payer medicare type system here is regulated payer, it is not a socialistic ownership of the means, distribution, production of service.

You live in Canada, and you know the difference.

 

[JakeStarkey]

My longest wait to get an appointment with my doctor is a few hours. My longest wait in the office so far has been 15 minutes.

A French girl of my acquaintance waits six months for an appointment with an ophthalmologist. I might wait a few weeks, and not at all if there is an issue.

Why would I want to switch to another system?

I am with VA, and I can get in on the same day if needed. Of course Whalen is the best VA campus in the entire system.

 

[tinydancer]

(1) Aetna is not and never was a big player in ACA.

(2) It is time for a medicare-type single payer national health care system.

So you can fail with single payer too? Just like Britain?

Show with facts and evidence that the NHS is a failure.

A single-payer medicare type system here is regulated payer, it is not a socialistic ownership of the means, distribution, production of service.

You live in Canada, and you know the difference.

Oh sweet heavens, You haven't been keeping up to date on the NHS? It's a bloody nightmare.

The Canuck system is two tier. But I would like to see a greater model of the French two tier applied here because you get way more bang for your buck. Ditto Sweden.

Two tier allows the wealthy to get in their own line and out of the general populaces queue. It's a win win. I've been fighting for this for years. How many articles and reviews do you want? I'm loaded for bear. Because I really have studied this.

Our wait times in Canada are horrendous although not as bad as Britain. For example my local funeral home half an hour away is closer than my hospital.

Here's a quick review of the current status of the NHS. As in any government run agency, what has ended up happening is all the money has gone to administration and not to the workers so they are in a crunch zone over there because threatened strikes. Which would make matters even worse.

The public will have to pay to save the NHS which is at 'breaking point', says former coalition health minister NORMAN LAMB

"Hospitals overflowing, with patients abandoned in corridors. Accident and Emergency rooms threatened with overnight closure. And it just keeps getting worse. It is clear the NHS is in a crisis that threatens its very existence."

Public will have to pay to save the NHS which is at 'breaking point'

And the biggie...

More than 100,000 patients a year have NHS ops cancelled on the day: Patients face 'psychological burden' after surgery is called off as they are wheeled in theatre

• NHS hospitals axed average 753 operations on scheduled days last year
• Number of patients forced to wait longer than 18 months for op has risen
• Concerning figures were found after an FOI by the Patients Association
• Government has slammed the report as 'unreliable and misleading'

Read more: More than 100,000 patients a year have NHS ops cancelled on the day
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[mudwhistle]

Time for single-payer.

Single-payer won't work in America unless everyone chips in. Figure the odds.

 

[tigerred59]

Good for Aetna.

Obama allies cry foul over Aetna snub

My company carry's Aetna for its employees and it is the absolute worst gotdamned insurance in the fuckin country. A few years ago, it was so bad, a lot of doctors refused to accept their lowsy insurance. SO IF THE MOTHERFUCKERS WANT TO FOLD EM AND CALL IT A DAY OR QUIT OBAMACARE.....GOT MOTHERFUCKIN BYE!!

 

[tigerred59]

(1) Aetna is not and never was a big player in ACA.

(2) It is time for a medicare-type single payer national health care system.

So you can fail with single payer too? Just like Britain?

Show with facts and evidence that the NHS is a failure.

A single-payer medicare type system here is regulated payer, it is not a socialistic ownership of the means, distribution, production of service.

You live in Canada, and you know the difference.

Oh sweet heavens, You haven't been keeping up to date on the NHS? It's a bloody nightmare.

The Canuck system is two tier. But I would like to see a greater model of the French two tier applied here because you get way more bang for your buck. Ditto Sweden.

Two tier allows the wealthy to get in their own line and out of the general populaces queue. It's a win win. I've been fighting for this for years. How many articles and reviews do you want? I'm loaded for bear. Because I really have studied this.

Our wait times in Canada are horrendous although not as bad as Britain. For example my local funeral home half an hour away is closer than my hospital.

Here's a quick review of the current status of the NHS. As in any government run agency, what has ended up happening is all the money has gone to administration and not to the workers so they are in a crunch zone over there because threatened strikes. Which would make matters even worse.

The public will have to pay to save the NHS which is at 'breaking point', says former coalition health minister NORMAN LAMB

"Hospitals overflowing, with patients abandoned in corridors. Accident and Emergency rooms threatened with overnight closure. And it just keeps getting worse. It is clear the NHS is in a crisis that threatens its very existence."

Public will have to pay to save the NHS which is at 'breaking point'

And the biggie...

More than 100,000 patients a year have NHS ops cancelled on the day: Patients face 'psychological burden' after surgery is called off as they are wheeled in theatre

• NHS hospitals axed average 753 operations on scheduled days last year
• Number of patients forced to wait longer than 18 months for op has risen
• Concerning figures were found after an FOI by the Patients Association
• Government has slammed the report as 'unreliable and misleading'

Read more: More than 100,000 patients a year have NHS ops cancelled on the day
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It gets cancelled because people aren't use to paying for shit. Most are use to our employers taking money out our checks and paying our prem. but when you got mail that shit in, its hard.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, single payer will work because VA works, military health care works, because medicare works.

To TD: Norman Lamb, your source, wants to keep NHS. From your link, he wrote, "That’s why today I set out my plan for an NHS and care tax. This would be the cornerstone of a new Beveridge settlement for the NHS and care, guaranteeing the sort of health and care service the sixth largest economy in the world should be capable of delivering." He is saying people will have to pay their share within a NHS system.

 

[tinydancer]

(1) Aetna is not and never was a big player in ACA.

(2) It is time for a medicare-type single payer national health care system.

So you can fail with single payer too? Just like Britain?

Show with facts and evidence that the NHS is a failure.

A single-payer medicare type system here is regulated payer, it is not a socialistic ownership of the means, distribution, production of service.

You live in Canada, and you know the difference.

Oh sweet heavens, You haven't been keeping up to date on the NHS? It's a bloody nightmare.

The Canuck system is two tier. But I would like to see a greater model of the French two tier applied here because you get way more bang for your buck. Ditto Sweden.

Two tier allows the wealthy to get in their own line and out of the general populaces queue. It's a win win. I've been fighting for this for years. How many articles and reviews do you want? I'm loaded for bear. Because I really have studied this.

Our wait times in Canada are horrendous although not as bad as Britain. For example my local funeral home half an hour away is closer than my hospital.

Here's a quick review of the current status of the NHS. As in any government run agency, what has ended up happening is all the money has gone to administration and not to the workers so they are in a crunch zone over there because threatened strikes. Which would make matters even worse.

The public will have to pay to save the NHS which is at 'breaking point', says former coalition health minister NORMAN LAMB

"Hospitals overflowing, with patients abandoned in corridors. Accident and Emergency rooms threatened with overnight closure. And it just keeps getting worse. It is clear the NHS is in a crisis that threatens its very existence."

Public will have to pay to save the NHS which is at 'breaking point'

And the biggie...

More than 100,000 patients a year have NHS ops cancelled on the day: Patients face 'psychological burden' after surgery is called off as they are wheeled in theatre

• NHS hospitals axed average 753 operations on scheduled days last year
• Number of patients forced to wait longer than 18 months for op has risen
• Concerning figures were found after an FOI by the Patients Association
• Government has slammed the report as 'unreliable and misleading'

Read more: More than 100,000 patients a year have NHS ops cancelled on the day
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

It gets cancelled because people aren't use to paying for shit. Most are use to our employers taking money out our checks and paying our prem. but when you got mail that shit in, its hard.

For true, they are really screwed up over there. What happened is the top end of the system, the administration squeezes out all the big money and the doctors and the nurses and the day to day operatons of the hospital system get screwed.

It's one thing to have 1% in the private sector amassing a fortune. But not when these guys at the top being bureacrats are amassing a fortune on the tax payers dime and doing one hell of a lousy stinking job running the health care system.

Check this out, This burns my ass.

Exposed: The sickening perks handed out by our broke NHS to the hundreds of health bosses who now have million-pound pension pots

• As patients face treatment delays, bureaucrats build up huge pensions
• They will be handed tax-free six-figure lump sums upon their retirement
• Health bosses also get payouts of at least £55,000 – guaranteed for life
• Average British worker on private pension can expect just £1,200 a year

Here's part of the story. Makes you want to bazooka barf.


The Mail on Sunday’s investigation found:

• Nearly 300 directors on NHS trust boards have accrued pension pots valued at £1million or more
• 
  
• At least 36 are sitting on pots in excess of £1.5million – with three topping a staggering £2 million;
• 
  
• The NHS pays a staggering 14.3 per cent on top of employees’ salary towards their pension – almost five times the average of 3 per cent paid in the private sector;
• Some executives have seen the value of their pension grow by more than £400,000 in 12 months – ten times the size of the pot the average Briton will build up in a lifetime;
• 
  
• Experts revealed a £1million pension would give an NHS executive an annuity of £55,000 a year – far in excess of a private £1million pension fund annuity of £20,750;
• 
  
• About 500 earn more than the Prime Minister – after Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt ordered them to ‘show restraint’ on executive pay.

Read more: Exposed: The sickening perks handed out by our broke NHS
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[tinydancer]

Yes, single payer will work because VA works, military health care works, because medicare works.

To TD: Norman Lamb, your source, wants to keep NHS. From your link, he wrote, "That’s why today I set out my plan for an NHS and care tax. This would be the cornerstone of a new Beveridge settlement for the NHS and care, guaranteeing the sort of health and care service the sixth largest economy in the world should be capable of delivering." He is saying people will have to pay their share within a NHS system.

If they were smart they would go two tier. Right now the NHS has been sailing on the Titanic, hit the iceberg, put the damn boat in reverse and are aiming at the iceberg again.



Truly, worth your while to check out Sweden and France. And again, the reason I like two tier is the wealthy get the hell out of the line up and people who can't can receive the services they need much faster.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, single payer will work because VA works, military health care works, because medicare works.

To TD: Norman Lamb, your source, wants to keep NHS. From your link, he wrote, "That’s why today I set out my plan for an NHS and care tax. This would be the cornerstone of a new Beveridge settlement for the NHS and care, guaranteeing the sort of health and care service the sixth largest economy in the world should be capable of delivering." He is saying people will have to pay their share within a NHS system.

If they were smart they would go two tier. Right now the NHS has been sailing on the Titanic, hit the iceberg, put the damn boat in reverse and are aiming at the iceberg again.



Truly, worth your while to check out Sweden and France. And again, the reason I like two tier is the wealthy get the hell out of the line up and people who can't can receive the services they need much faster.

I prefer Australia's two tier program, because the wealthy get into their own line, which streamlines everything.

 

[tinydancer]

Yes, single payer will work because VA works, military health care works, because medicare works.

To TD: Norman Lamb, your source, wants to keep NHS. From your link, he wrote, "That’s why today I set out my plan for an NHS and care tax. This would be the cornerstone of a new Beveridge settlement for the NHS and care, guaranteeing the sort of health and care service the sixth largest economy in the world should be capable of delivering." He is saying people will have to pay their share within a NHS system.

If they were smart they would go two tier. Right now the NHS has been sailing on the Titanic, hit the iceberg, put the damn boat in reverse and are aiming at the iceberg again.



Truly, worth your while to check out Sweden and France. And again, the reason I like two tier is the wealthy get the hell out of the line up and people who can't can receive the services they need much faster.

I prefer Australia's two tier program, because the wealthy get into their own line, which streamlines everything.

Sweden is the same. Ditto France. Sweden I think is 30% private. 70% government. And hey I'm with you all the way on letting people who have the means get out of the line.