Dershowitz: Appoint Spcl Prosecutor to Investigate Zimmerman Prosecutor Corey

[Sunshine]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/302788-lots-of-emotion-all-over-the-place-3.html#post7537984

Your teenage son or daughter is walking home in the rain, it is growing dark, she is on the phone with a friend and eating the candy she just bought from a nearby convenience store. The hood is up on her jacket when a man starts following her in his car. She mentions this to a friend on the phone. Your son keeps walking. Soon your daughter walks behind a building, and the man in the car gets out and follows her. Your son does not know what motivates the follower. Soon they are so close, fear of each other causes a scuffle. Your daughter does not realize the man is armed with a gun. She fights the man to the ground and in the melee he is injured. He pulls a gun and kills your daughter. How do you feel? What gave him the right to follow and pursue your son or daughter. What motivated him to follow.

""I don't think the import of this is being appreciated. Effectively, I can bait you into a fight and if I start losing I can can legally kill you, provided I "believe" myself to be subject to "great bodily harm." It is then the state's job to prove--beyond a reasonable doubt--that I either did not actually fear for my life, or my fear was unreasonable. In the case of George Zimmerman, even if the state proved that he baited an encounter (and I am not sure they did) they still must prove that he had no reasonable justification to fear for his life. You see very similar language in the actual instructions given to the jury: in link above

“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”


― Jesse Jackson

The housing project baby mills to increase numbers has failed miserably. All it did was to create a culture of poverty and violence.

 

[Sunshine]

If Martin were white, the police would have slapped Zimmerman around until they got a confession out of him.

Interesting. The media has made Zimmerman out to be whiter than Tim Tebow when he's actually hispanic. I wonder if Martin were white if the situation would be reversed: outrage that a hispanic shot an unarmed white "child."

someone should develop software on this a 'game'.

I seriously think time would be well spent in every classroom--high school at least--teaching the Law.

I know very little, too little.

Better be careful there. If you know the law it means you are guilty of murder.

 

[Connery]

I will agree that some have not. When I took the class in law school, someone asked why so few were ever disbarred for life. The prof's answer, 'it's the only way they have to earn a living.' We have one here in western KY who went to prison for 2 years, is back out practicing, and still runs for office.



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And that is an old pic. He is older than dirt.

I am aware of many who can never practice again. It is what it is. Many times these proceedings go on without much fanfare unless the attorney is already someone with a modicum of notoriety.

For those who wish to point to a few and think it is all are sorely mistaken. Many attorneys are suspended for a period of time with a requirement being to attend legal education classes, some need to attend a rehab of some kind and others are forever barred from practicing law. Depends on the facts of each case.

LOL as in TN if you brother is on the board of legal examiners. Actually, lawyers are supposed to get continuing ed each year. The hours required in TN are FAR lower than I have to get to stay an NP. Also, even for female attorneys, in an adversarial system, there is a huge tendency to get into the win/lose thing, developing a 'game' mentality. But the referee may not be there until it is gone way to far. When I was in TN, there was a seminar that sounded interesting and students got in free if we had joined the association. So I went. I saw lawyer after lawyer sign in, fill out the evaluation, turn it in and leave. If nurses do that we don't get the certificate. Lawyering is a different world. When you can rearrange someone's life with a few strokes of the pen, you have a fearsome responsibility.

There is a difference between being a casual observer and being a practitioner. I wish it were as simple as you make it sound. Alas, it is not, I have seen lives destroyed, attorney's commit suicide, leave the practice on their own volition after investigations by the Bar. I support those investigations and have been part of various in several capacities. While I do not discount your experience, I know from my experience the ethics committee merry-go-round has some very significant effects on those who practice law and both the public and the profession benefits.

 

[Sunshine]

I am aware of many who can never practice again. It is what it is. Many times these proceedings go on without much fanfare unless the attorney is already someone with a modicum of notoriety.

For those who wish to point to a few and think it is all are sorely mistaken. Many attorneys are suspended for a period of time with a requirement being to attend legal education classes, some need to attend a rehab of some kind and others are forever barred from practicing law. Depends on the facts of each case.

LOL as in TN if you brother is on the board of legal examiners. Actually, lawyers are supposed to get continuing ed each year. The hours required in TN are FAR lower than I have to get to stay an NP. Also, even for female attorneys, in an adversarial system, there is a huge tendency to get into the win/lose thing, developing a 'game' mentality. But the referee may not be there until it is gone way to far. When I was in TN, there was a seminar that sounded interesting and students got in free if we had joined the association. So I went. I saw lawyer after lawyer sign in, fill out the evaluation, turn it in and leave. If nurses do that we don't get the certificate. Lawyering is a different world. When you can rearrange someone's life with a few strokes of the pen, you have a fearsome responsibility.

There is a difference between being a casual observer and being a practitioner. I wish it were as simple as you make it sound. Alas, it is not, I have seen lives destroyed, attorney's commit suicide, leave the practice on their own volition after investigations by the Bar. I support those investigations and have been part of various in several capacities. While I do not discount your experience, I know from my experience the ethics committee merry-go-round has some very significant effects on those who practice law and both the public and the profession benefits.

Not sure what state you are in. I know of one case in TN two attorneys had to go before the bar. One of them, IMO, didn't fight it hard enough and got a public censure. The other one would not settle and he was vindicated. It was for the exact same occurrence, the exact same complaint. They just chose two different ways to fight it. And the Bar at no point in time took into account that if one was innocent of the charge then the other one was as well. I have never been accused of an ethics violation, but if I ever had been there is no way I would have 'settled' for anything. Personally, I would have gone to the bottom of the ocean maintaining my innocence. In reality, being an NP for the large part of my nursing career put in in a fair amount of danger from hostile MDs who think we shouldn't be allowed to even walk the earth, let alone practice. So, I suppose that was quite an accomplishment. But I have been involved in the PAC of my professional organization, and I've seen a lot. Political climate can change lot of things.

 

[wavingrl]

Interesting. The media has made Zimmerman out to be whiter than Tim Tebow when he's actually hispanic. I wonder if Martin were white if the situation would be reversed: outrage that a hispanic shot an unarmed white "child."

someone should develop software on this a 'game'.

I seriously think time would be well spent in every classroom--high school at least--teaching the Law.

I know very little, too little.

Better be careful there. If you know the law it means you are guilty of murder.

oh--then to clarify--the intent was to change skin, colors of--no weapons involved. no violence. some sort of 'walk a mile in the other man's shoes' learning activity.

I can't think of all these things anymore. Acceptance/tolerance--I still prefer respect starts somewhere and if that is the norm then change occurs. Yes, racism/KKK style racism was rampant in the South--bias and predjudice still exist. I refer specifically to the area around metro Atlanta--far from perfect but some progress was made. My county is struggling--CEO faces indictment today--corruption of all kinds. Aside from racial discrimination there is gender based discrimination--much further away on that.

Believe as you will. It doesn't matter to me.

 

[Connery]

LOL as in TN if you brother is on the board of legal examiners. Actually, lawyers are supposed to get continuing ed each year. The hours required in TN are FAR lower than I have to get to stay an NP. Also, even for female attorneys, in an adversarial system, there is a huge tendency to get into the win/lose thing, developing a 'game' mentality. But the referee may not be there until it is gone way to far. When I was in TN, there was a seminar that sounded interesting and students got in free if we had joined the association. So I went. I saw lawyer after lawyer sign in, fill out the evaluation, turn it in and leave. If nurses do that we don't get the certificate. Lawyering is a different world. When you can rearrange someone's life with a few strokes of the pen, you have a fearsome responsibility.

There is a difference between being a casual observer and being a practitioner. I wish it were as simple as you make it sound. Alas, it is not, I have seen lives destroyed, attorney's commit suicide, leave the practice on their own volition after investigations by the Bar. I support those investigations and have been part of various in several capacities. While I do not discount your experience, I know from my experience the ethics committee merry-go-round has some very significant effects on those who practice law and both the public and the profession benefits.

Not sure what state you are in. I know of one case in TN two attorneys had to go before the bar. One of them, IMO, didn't fight it hard enough and got a public censure. The other one would not settle and he was vindicated. It was for the exact same occurrence, the exact same complaint. They just chose two different ways to fight it. And the Bar at no point in time took into account that if one was innocent of the charge then the other one was as well. I have never been accused of an ethics violation, but if I ever had been there is no way I would have 'settled' for anything. Personally, I would have gone to the bottom of the ocean maintaining my innocence. In reality, being an NP for the large part of my nursing career put in in a fair amount of danger from hostile MDs who think we shouldn't be allowed to even walk the earth, let alone practice. So, I suppose that was quite an accomplishment. But I have been involved in the PAC of my professional organization, and I've seen a lot. Political climate can change lot of things.

Several states and as malpractice was one of my areas of concentration specialty, I was in the thick of many cases. States cannot circumvent their own rules for the sake of political favor as it is a prohibition against public policy. Far and few between sure, but not as a matter of course. Same when I was a cop I saw plenty get their asses handed to them.

Also, a wide practice of granting political favors would reach the public eye in addition to the federal government who may have jurisdiction based on a variety of laws.

 

[Sunshine]

There is a difference between being a casual observer and being a practitioner. I wish it were as simple as you make it sound. Alas, it is not, I have seen lives destroyed, attorney's commit suicide, leave the practice on their own volition after investigations by the Bar. I support those investigations and have been part of various in several capacities. While I do not discount your experience, I know from my experience the ethics committee merry-go-round has some very significant effects on those who practice law and both the public and the profession benefits.

Not sure what state you are in. I know of one case in TN two attorneys had to go before the bar. One of them, IMO, didn't fight it hard enough and got a public censure. The other one would not settle and he was vindicated. It was for the exact same occurrence, the exact same complaint. They just chose two different ways to fight it. And the Bar at no point in time took into account that if one was innocent of the charge then the other one was as well. I have never been accused of an ethics violation, but if I ever had been there is no way I would have 'settled' for anything. Personally, I would have gone to the bottom of the ocean maintaining my innocence. In reality, being an NP for the large part of my nursing career put in in a fair amount of danger from hostile MDs who think we shouldn't be allowed to even walk the earth, let alone practice. So, I suppose that was quite an accomplishment. But I have been involved in the PAC of my professional organization, and I've seen a lot. Political climate can change lot of things.

Several states and as malpractice was one of my areas of concentration specialty, I was in the thick of many cases. States cannot circumvent their own rules for the sake of political favor as it is a prohibition against public policy. Far and few between sure, but not as a matter of course. Same when I was a cop I saw plenty get their asses handed to them.

Also, a wide practice of granting political favors would reach the public eye in addition to the federal government who may have jurisdiction based on a variety of laws.

You can't get an incompetent doctor out. They stick together, that's why. In TN all the MDs have a 'mutual' med mal company. If it makes money - no judgments - they all get a check at the end of the year. No TN doctor will testify against another TN doctor because of the Volunteer Mutual pay off. Expert witnesses always have to come from another state, giving the defense attorney the opportunity to say, 'no one in the fine state of TN would testify against this man.' I've seen that with my own eyes. I have less respect for most doctors based on what I have seen over the years than I do for the town drunk. The minute I sense that a doctor is condescending or has some issue with my being an NP, he is fired. And with this lung disease I do have to see a specialist. Oddly he is always interested in what I am reading at the moment.

 

[Connery]

Not sure what state you are in. I know of one case in TN two attorneys had to go before the bar. One of them, IMO, didn't fight it hard enough and got a public censure. The other one would not settle and he was vindicated. It was for the exact same occurrence, the exact same complaint. They just chose two different ways to fight it. And the Bar at no point in time took into account that if one was innocent of the charge then the other one was as well. I have never been accused of an ethics violation, but if I ever had been there is no way I would have 'settled' for anything. Personally, I would have gone to the bottom of the ocean maintaining my innocence. In reality, being an NP for the large part of my nursing career put in in a fair amount of danger from hostile MDs who think we shouldn't be allowed to even walk the earth, let alone practice. So, I suppose that was quite an accomplishment. But I have been involved in the PAC of my professional organization, and I've seen a lot. Political climate can change lot of things.

Several states and as malpractice was one of my areas of concentration specialty, I was in the thick of many cases. States cannot circumvent their own rules for the sake of political favor as it is a prohibition against public policy. Far and few between sure, but not as a matter of course. Same when I was a cop I saw plenty get their asses handed to them.

Also, a wide practice of granting political favors would reach the public eye in addition to the federal government who may have jurisdiction based on a variety of laws.

You can't get an incompetent doctor out. They stick together, that's why. In TN all the MDs have a 'mutual' med mal company. If it makes money - no judgments - they all get a check at the end of the year. No TN doctor will testify against another TN doctor because of the Volunteer Mutual pay off. Expert witnesses always have to come from another state, giving the defense attorney the opportunity to say, 'no one in the fine state of TN would testify against this man.' I've seen that with my own eyes. I have less respect for most doctors based on what I have seen over the years than I do for the town drunk. The minute I sense that a doctor is condescending or has some issue with my being an NP, he is fired. And with this lung disease I do have to see a specialist. Oddly he is always interested in what I am reading at the moment.

"They stick together, that's why." Not true in the legal field. It is dog eat dog and everyone wants to get a fuck up out of the "Good Standing" category.

 

[Sunshine]

Several states and as malpractice was one of my areas of concentration specialty, I was in the thick of many cases. States cannot circumvent their own rules for the sake of political favor as it is a prohibition against public policy. Far and few between sure, but not as a matter of course. Same when I was a cop I saw plenty get their asses handed to them.

Also, a wide practice of granting political favors would reach the public eye in addition to the federal government who may have jurisdiction based on a variety of laws.

You can't get an incompetent doctor out. They stick together, that's why. In TN all the MDs have a 'mutual' med mal company. If it makes money - no judgments - they all get a check at the end of the year. No TN doctor will testify against another TN doctor because of the Volunteer Mutual pay off. Expert witnesses always have to come from another state, giving the defense attorney the opportunity to say, 'no one in the fine state of TN would testify against this man.' I've seen that with my own eyes. I have less respect for most doctors based on what I have seen over the years than I do for the town drunk. The minute I sense that a doctor is condescending or has some issue with my being an NP, he is fired. And with this lung disease I do have to see a specialist. Oddly he is always interested in what I am reading at the moment.

"They stick together, that's why." Not true in the legal field. It is dog eat dog and everyone wants to get a fuck up out of the "Good Standing" category.

Some do, but the GOB network is strong in some places.

 

[JoeB131]

If both men were black no one would have heard of this case

Which is again evidence that blacks are convinced that they deserve special treatment. Racial tension can never end when one race wants special treatment.

They've been getting special treatment for the last 50 years. Why should their expectations change at this late date?[/

There's a telling comment from someone who really has no clue about what it's like to be black in this society.

 

[Sunshine]

Which is again evidence that blacks are convinced that they deserve special treatment. Racial tension can never end when one race wants special treatment.

They've been getting special treatment for the last 50 years. Why should their expectations change at this late date?[/

There's a telling comment from someone who really has no clue about what it's like to be black in this society.

And you do? You and Sarass.

One thing about it, I know what it's like to be a female and to have chauvinist pigs like you devalue everything we do.....up to and including a jury verdict based on the EVIDENCE! You jackass.

 

[Connery]

You can't get an incompetent doctor out. They stick together, that's why. In TN all the MDs have a 'mutual' med mal company. If it makes money - no judgments - they all get a check at the end of the year. No TN doctor will testify against another TN doctor because of the Volunteer Mutual pay off. Expert witnesses always have to come from another state, giving the defense attorney the opportunity to say, 'no one in the fine state of TN would testify against this man.' I've seen that with my own eyes. I have less respect for most doctors based on what I have seen over the years than I do for the town drunk. The minute I sense that a doctor is condescending or has some issue with my being an NP, he is fired. And with this lung disease I do have to see a specialist. Oddly he is always interested in what I am reading at the moment.

"They stick together, that's why." Not true in the legal field. It is dog eat dog and everyone wants to get a fuck up out of the "Good Standing" category.

Some do, but the GOB network is strong in some places.

I have not been to a place where it has not been strong, but the ability to make a buck off of a fallen professional is stronger than the GOB in the legal field.

 

[cathycollie]

I think the man is senile.

 

[Connery]

I think the man is senile.

Who?

 

[Sunshine]

"They stick together, that's why." Not true in the legal field. It is dog eat dog and everyone wants to get a fuck up out of the "Good Standing" category.

Some do, but the GOB network is strong in some places.

I have not been to a place where it has not been strong, but the ability to make a buck off of a fallen professional is stronger than the GOB in the legal field.

Did you read Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil? Not watch the movie, I mean READ the book? I think if you do, you will see what I mean. I can't really spell it out any better than John Berendt does.

 

[Connery]

Some do, but the GOB network is strong in some places.

I have not been to a place where it has not been strong, but the ability to make a buck off of a fallen professional is stronger than the GOB in the legal field.

Did you read Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil? Not watch the movie, I mean READ the book? I think if you do, you will see what I mean. I can't really spell it out any better than John Berendt does.

Books? The medical field? You have your perceptions, I have my experience. I been in the trenches in many jurisdictions.....M-O-N-E-Y does the talking in the legal field....

 

[JoeB131]

They've been getting special treatment for the last 50 years. Why should their expectations change at this late date?[/

There's a telling comment from someone who really has no clue about what it's like to be black in this society.

And you do? You and Sarass.

One thing about it, I know what it's like to be a female and to have chauvinist pigs like you devalue everything we do.....up to and including a jury verdict based on the EVIDENCE! You jackass.

I really don't put all the blame on the Jury.

This case was really lost by the Keystone Cops of Sanford. The ones who didn't secure evidence or investigate until their were national demonstrations.

For instance, Zimmerman was on TWO prescription medications. one of them Temazepam, causes anxiety, aggressiveness, even Hallucinations.

Of course, it didn't occur to the Keystone Cops to drug test him, He was an outstanding citizen protecting us from hoodies.

So I want to hear about this special treatment blacks have been getting.

 

[deltex1]

I'd like to see Dershowitz go pro bono for GZ, if holder thinks the government has a case.

 

[Rozman]

If Martin were white, the police would have slapped Zimmerman around until they got a confession out of him.

If both men were black no one would have heard of this case

Which is again evidence that blacks are convinced that they deserve special treatment. Racial tension can never end when one race wants special treatment.

Caught a bit of Chris Mathews tonight.
They were talking about how Trevon didn't get justice....

The left didn't like the verdict because it didn't go their way.
Shows that they just wanted a show trial...do everything they could to pile up
the charges then get a guilty verdict.

Now they flip the bird to the jurors,and there's talk of trying Zimmerman again.
They wont be happy til they get their form of justice.

 

[JoeB131]

If both men were black no one would have heard of this case

Which is again evidence that blacks are convinced that they deserve special treatment. Racial tension can never end when one race wants special treatment.

Caught a bit of Chris Mathews tonight.
They were talking about how Trevon didn't get justice....

The left didn't like the verdict because it didn't go their way.
Shows that they just wanted a show trial...do everything they could to pile up
the charges then get a guilty verdict.

Now they flip the bird to the jurors,and there's talk of trying Zimmerman again.
They wont be happy til they get their form of justice.

Yes, an all-white Jury, listening to a white judge, and white lawyers decided to give a white guy a pass on shooting an unarmed black kid who beat him in a fight.

Can kind of see why people didn't think justice was done here.