Did Nancy violate the Former Presidents Act 18 U.S.C. § 2071?

Did Nancy Pelosi violate the Former President's Act by destroying the Official copy of the SOTU?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 28.6%
  • No

    Votes: 17 60.7%
  • A Little, yeah

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • No Opinion

    Votes: 1 3.6%

  • Total voters
    28
  • Poll closed .
A photocopy of the President's speech is not "an official record".

The President is destroying the rule of law, attacking judges, witnesses and asking the Justice Department to investigate and prosecute those who investigate him or even criticize him, and you want to prosecute Nancy Pelosi for tearing up a photocopy.

Welcome to the Dictatorship!
Con logic...

Soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals: acceptable and even commendable.

Tearing up a copy of the speech being delivered: LOCK HER UP!!


Soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals: acceptable and even commendable.


No, Hillary and the DNC paying for the Steele dossier was not acceptable or commendable.
Just like your lie that Russia or Russia connected business gave the Clinton's $145 million, you lie again. You just can't stop lying, can you con?

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research. You possess zero evidence they knew GPS Fusion would hire Steele.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research.

You're allowed to solicit foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals...if you launder it through an American firm?
You poor thing, you just can't stop lying. :eusa_liar:

No, soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals is never legal. Neither Hillary nor the DNC solicited foreign interference.

He didn't do a very good job.

His own party is doing more to eliminate him than Trump ever could.
 
It was a copy of a speech, is my understanding, not an official record that was filed or deposited.

It also was not destroyed, it could still be read....even if the only and last COPY, which it was not.

Me thinks you all are reaching way in to the high sky on this one, and completely distorting the PURPOSE of the law you quote for mere partisan purpose....

I'm pretty sure that the copy of the speech given to the speaker of the house by the POTUS before the SOTU speech is considered pretty damn official.

Not really.

I don't know. But definitely very childish. But she is a dem it comes with the party.

Childish, but not even the tiniest bit illegal.
 
Rep. Matt Gaetz said “The law does not allow the speaker of the House to destroy the records of the House and the rules of the House do not permit some little temper tantrum just because you don’t like what the president of the United States says.” Rep. Gaetz also said that Nancy Pelosi had disgraced the office of the Speaker of the House.

Rep. Matt Gaetz files ethics complaint against Nancy Pelosi over torn-up speech

You mean like tramp does.
Richard Nixon Is the Reason President Trump's Aides Have to Repair Documents He Rips Up
President Trump reportedly has a habit of ripping up documents after he’s done with them, a tendency that has sent aides scrambling to quite literally pick up the pieces.
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It was her copy to do whatever she wanted with.
If Nancy Pelosi is ever murdered to death because someone hated her for being a jerk, and I was on the jury, I promise you, it would be a hung jury if the other 11 jurors favored to call the guy guilty.

If ANYONE were ever "murdered to death", the immediate suspect would be the Department of Redundancy Department.

:coffee:
 
what was she supposed to do with the copy???
She could have filed it in the National Archives or in her official House of Representative files that will be passed down to the next House Speaker when she is dead or leaves office. Instead she tore it up in front of the nation, and now the Democrats are in a panic trying to destroy all evidence of her footage of tearing up the President's official copy of the SOTU speech.

Those official papers actually are the property of the people, and they weren't given to her to piss on for partisan show.
Everyone who attended got a copy. We're they all supposed to be preserved?


thats another lie you just got caught in,,,not everyone that attended got a copy
My understanding is that everyone who attends is offered a copy.


there was over 1000 people there,,,all I saw was the two he gave the VP and nancy,,,
There were over a thousand in the trash after the speech.
 
Everyone who attended got a copy. We're they all supposed to be preserved?


thats another lie you just got caught in,,,not everyone that attended got a copy
My understanding is that everyone who attends is offered a copy.


there was over 1000 people there,,,all I saw was the two he gave the VP and nancy,,,
I heard all the congress critters and Senators got a courtesy copy.


I heard a frog could fly if it had wings,,,
I heard a consevative could be a liberal if he had a brain.
 
She could have filed it in the National Archives or in her official House of Representative files that will be passed down to the next House Speaker when she is dead or leaves office. Instead she tore it up in front of the nation, and now the Democrats are in a panic trying to destroy all evidence of her footage of tearing up the President's official copy of the SOTU speech.

Those official papers actually are the property of the people, and they weren't given to her to piss on for partisan show.
Everyone who attended got a copy. We're they all supposed to be preserved?


thats another lie you just got caught in,,,not everyone that attended got a copy
My understanding is that everyone who attends is offered a copy.


there was over 1000 people there,,,all I saw was the two he gave the VP and nancy,,,
The guy in the video you posted also said they all got courtesy copies, if they wanted one.... as souvenirs.
D'oh!

Hoist on his own petard!
 
Everyone who attended got a copy. We're they all supposed to be preserved?


thats another lie you just got caught in,,,not everyone that attended got a copy
My understanding is that everyone who attends is offered a copy.


there was over 1000 people there,,,all I saw was the two he gave the VP and nancy,,,
The guy in the video you posted also said they all got courtesy copies, if they wanted one.... as souvenirs.


ok,,did they??
Don't know.

You should probably track them all down and find out. They might have committed a crime.
 
She could have filed it in the National Archives or in her official House of Representative files that will be passed down to the next House Speaker when she is dead or leaves office. Instead she tore it up in front of the nation, and now the Democrats are in a panic trying to destroy all evidence of her footage of tearing up the President's official copy of the SOTU speech.

Those official papers actually are the property of the people, and they weren't given to her to piss on for partisan show.
Everyone who attended got a copy. We're they all supposed to be preserved?


thats another lie you just got caught in,,,not everyone that attended got a copy
My understanding is that everyone who attends is offered a copy.


there was over 1000 people there,,,all I saw was the two he gave the VP and nancy,,,
There were over a thousand in the trash after the speech.


got a link???

dont worry I know youre lying again,,,
 
thats another lie you just got caught in,,,not everyone that attended got a copy
My understanding is that everyone who attends is offered a copy.


there was over 1000 people there,,,all I saw was the two he gave the VP and nancy,,,
The guy in the video you posted also said they all got courtesy copies, if they wanted one.... as souvenirs.


ok,,did they??
Don't know.

You should probably track them all down and find out. They might have committed a crime.

"LOCK THEM UP!
"LOCK THEM UP!
"LOCK THEM UP!
"LOCK THEM UP!
"LOCK THEM UP!
 
My understanding is that everyone who attends is offered a copy.


there was over 1000 people there,,,all I saw was the two he gave the VP and nancy,,,
The guy in the video you posted also said they all got courtesy copies, if they wanted one.... as souvenirs.


ok,,did they??
Don't know.

You should probably track them all down and find out. They might have committed a crime.

"LOCK THEM UP!
"LOCK THEM UP!
"LOCK THEM UP!
"LOCK THEM UP!
"LOCK THEM UP!
You win the internet for the day!
 
A photocopy of the President's speech is not "an official record".

The President is destroying the rule of law, attacking judges, witnesses and asking the Justice Department to investigate and prosecute those who investigate him or even criticize him, and you want to prosecute Nancy Pelosi for tearing up a photocopy.

Welcome to the Dictatorship!
Con logic...

Soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals: acceptable and even commendable.

Tearing up a copy of the speech being delivered: LOCK HER UP!!


Soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals: acceptable and even commendable.


No, Hillary and the DNC paying for the Steele dossier was not acceptable or commendable.
Just like your lie that Russia or Russia connected business gave the Clinton's $145 million, you lie again. You just can't stop lying, can you con?

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research. You possess zero evidence they knew GPS Fusion would hire Steele.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research.

You're allowed to solicit foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals...if you launder it through an American firm?
You poor thing, you just can't stop lying. :eusa_liar:

No, soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals is never legal. Neither Hillary nor the DNC solicited foreign interference.
Did you know your chances of winning an argument with someone with a high-level mathematical mind are very, very close to zero? Mr. T. Patriot does not say anything unless he knows he has irrefutable proof. That's the way of good men who are mathematical geniuses. That's why you lose every single time you approach Mr. Patriot with another idiocy. It just never pans out, and he ends up hitting another one out of the park, and you end up biting his dust. Just trying to save you a little pain, sir. /trying very hard to stifle a giggle, but not doing very well at it.
 
Former Presidents Act
(18 U.S.C. § 2071)

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
When Nancy Pelosi tore up the Official Copy of the President's SOTU address, almost immediately several Constitutional scholars and writers said that she had violated 18 USC § 2071, which is also known as the Former President's Act, but was written in a way that includes "whoever has custody of (a document filed with a judicial or public office or officer" could be imprisoned for 3 years, forfeit her office, be fined, or be disqualified from holding any office in the USA. (This does not apply to retired military officers.)

So just from reading this what is now a media topic exonerating Nancy Pelosi from her destructive little attention-grabbing public tearing up of the speech the President just delivered.

Why isn't she being tried for this anomaly performance of hers. And do you agree or disagree that this is a crime under the Former President's Act?


An “official copy” ?



What is that?
 
Con logic...

Soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals: acceptable and even commendable.

Tearing up a copy of the speech being delivered: LOCK HER UP!!


Soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals: acceptable and even commendable.


No, Hillary and the DNC paying for the Steele dossier was not acceptable or commendable.
Just like your lie that Russia or Russia connected business gave the Clinton's $145 million, you lie again. You just can't stop lying, can you con?

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research. You possess zero evidence they knew GPS Fusion would hire Steele.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research.

You're allowed to solicit foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals...if you launder it through an American firm?
You poor thing, you just can't stop lying. :eusa_liar:

No, soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals is never legal. Neither Hillary nor the DNC solicited foreign interference.
Did you know your chances of winning an argument with someone with a high-level mathematical mind are very, very close to zero? Mr. T. Patriot does not say anything unless he knows he has irrefutable proof. That's the way of good men who are mathematical geniuses. That's why you lose every single time you approach Mr. Patriot with another idiocy. It just never pans out, and he ends up hitting another one out of the park, and you end up biting his dust. Just trying to save you a little pain, sir. /trying very hard to stifle a giggle, but not doing very well at it.
LOL

He lied and got caught lying. Must be your idea of a hero.

He falsely claimed Russia or Russian connected businesses gave the Clintons $145 million -- then he posted a link he didn't understand which stated $131 came from a Canadian, not a Russian, whose business was not connected to Russia.

Now he's falsely claiming Hillary and the DNC paid for Steele's dossier when they did no such thing; they paid an American-based firm for opposition research.
 
Former Presidents Act
(18 U.S.C. § 2071)

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
When Nancy Pelosi tore up the Official Copy of the President's SOTU address, almost immediately several Constitutional scholars and writers said that she had violated 18 USC § 2071, which is also known as the Former President's Act, but was written in a way that includes "whoever has custody of (a document filed with a judicial or public office or officer" could be imprisoned for 3 years, forfeit her office, be fined, or be disqualified from holding any office in the USA. (This does not apply to retired military officers.)

So just from reading this what is now a media topic exonerating Nancy Pelosi from her destructive little attention-grabbing public tearing up of the speech the President just delivered.

Why isn't she being tried for this anomaly performance of hers. And do you agree or disagree that this is a crime under the Former President's Act?


An “official copy” ?



What is that?
It doesn't matter what they call it -- it was never filed in any court or public office.
 
Soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals: acceptable and even commendable.

No, Hillary and the DNC paying for the Steele dossier was not acceptable or commendable.
Just like your lie that Russia or Russia connected business gave the Clinton's $145 million, you lie again. You just can't stop lying, can you con?

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research. You possess zero evidence they knew GPS Fusion would hire Steele.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research.

You're allowed to solicit foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals...if you launder it through an American firm?
You poor thing, you just can't stop lying. :eusa_liar:

No, soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals is never legal. Neither Hillary nor the DNC solicited foreign interference.
Did you know your chances of winning an argument with someone with a high-level mathematical mind are very, very close to zero? Mr. T. Patriot does not say anything unless he knows he has irrefutable proof. That's the way of good men who are mathematical geniuses. That's why you lose every single time you approach Mr. Patriot with another idiocy. It just never pans out, and he ends up hitting another one out of the park, and you end up biting his dust. Just trying to save you a little pain, sir. /trying very hard to stifle a giggle, but not doing very well at it.
LOL

He lied and got caught lying. Must be your idea of a hero.

He falsely claimed Russia or Russian connected businesses gave the Clintons $145 million -- then he posted a link he didn't understand which stated $131 came from a Canadian, not a Russian, whose business was not connected to Russia.

Now he's falsely claiming Hillary and the DNC paid for Steele's dossier when they did no such thing; they paid an American-based firm for opposition research.
Oh, yeah? Did Hillary go back on her promise of giving Mr. Putin 20% of America's known uranium resources for him to pass onto Iran to get Israel with? Or do you have an excuse website for excusing Hillary's gift up your sleeve too, Mr. Magic. :rolleyes:
 
Just like your lie that Russia or Russia connected business gave the Clinton's $145 million, you lie again. You just can't stop lying, can you con?

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research. You possess zero evidence they knew GPS Fusion would hire Steele.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, neither Hillary nor the DNC paid for Steele's dossier... they paid an American-based firm for opposition research.

You're allowed to solicit foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals...if you launder it through an American firm?
You poor thing, you just can't stop lying. :eusa_liar:

No, soliciting foreign interference to eliminate politics rivals is never legal. Neither Hillary nor the DNC solicited foreign interference.
Did you know your chances of winning an argument with someone with a high-level mathematical mind are very, very close to zero? Mr. T. Patriot does not say anything unless he knows he has irrefutable proof. That's the way of good men who are mathematical geniuses. That's why you lose every single time you approach Mr. Patriot with another idiocy. It just never pans out, and he ends up hitting another one out of the park, and you end up biting his dust. Just trying to save you a little pain, sir. /trying very hard to stifle a giggle, but not doing very well at it.
LOL

He lied and got caught lying. Must be your idea of a hero.

He falsely claimed Russia or Russian connected businesses gave the Clintons $145 million -- then he posted a link he didn't understand which stated $131 came from a Canadian, not a Russian, whose business was not connected to Russia.

Now he's falsely claiming Hillary and the DNC paid for Steele's dossier when they did no such thing; they paid an American-based firm for opposition research.
Oh, yeah? Did Hillary go back on her promise of giving Mr. Putin 20% of America's known uranium resources for him to pass onto Iran to get Israel with? Or do you have an excuse website for excusing Hillary's gift up your sleeve too, Mr. Magic. :rolleyes:
LOL

^^^ More lyin' cons

Hillary didn't give any Uranium to Putin, ya dumbfuck. :eusa_doh:
 

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