Did Russia "hack" the election? Four questions.

[Mac1958]

Okay, just for the hell of it, let's try to define what the question "Did Russia Hack the Election?" actually means.

If I have this right, I don't believe anyone is saying that Russia somehow got into voting booths or hacked into voting machines or computers or servers and changed votes from Hillary to Trump. If I'm wrong on that, if you believe that, please say so and provide whatever evidence you have.

I believe that what is being said is that the Russians "hacked" into Podesta's and other DNC people's email accounts via phishing and got oodles of seriously damning shit on the Democrats, spilled the beans, and here we are. They are saying that an unfriendly foreign power found and used a method of influencing opinions on a major party presidential candidate, and it may have made enough of a difference in a close race. That's it, unless I'm missing something.

So, four reasonable questions:

1. Was Podesta, was the DNC, an easy mark for this activity, did they screw up? Yeah, it appears so.
2. Did the Russians try to hack the RNC too? Entirely possible, no one can say for sure either way.
3. Could all the shit that came out from the hacked emails been the final straw against Clinton, particularly in those rust belt states where Trump barely beat her and gained critical electoral votes? Yeah, that seems like a reasonable possibility.
   
4. And finally, if Trump had been the one whose party's emails were hacked and Hillary won critical electoral states by a hair, would his supporters be screaming right now? Of course.

So what is YOUR definition of "hacking"?
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The emails meant almost nothing. I can't remember any of them.

Hillary lost for one reason, and it is time for you and whomever voted for her to realize it. Hillary lost because of one thing, she is Hillary. For crying out loud could the nomination go to anyone that was a worse candidate then Trump?

How about the leaked locker room talk from Trump, what is that different then leaked emails that the voting public should know about.

This whole hacking shit has to be the worse butt balm ever created.

It would be helpful, for the sake of the country, to back away from the partisan political angle here and discuss whether we care that the Russians worked to influence an American presidential election.

I would think that both major parties would be outraged. That doesn't have anything to do with who won, nor does it mean that Trump gets kicked out or penalized or anything else. He won, and that's it.

The Russians fucked with our election, whether it was effective or not. They more than just tried, they were successful in at least pushing in one direction. That doesn't appear to bother the side that won, and I find that pretty troubling.
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So what if they did, and you are making huge jump to say they did influence the election. Just as much, if not worse shit was revealed about Trump as was Hillary. So one would think it would even out no matter who hacked what.

I would like anyone in the entire nation to admit that the emails made a difference to who they voted. They didn't make a difference to you or me so why do you assume that there are so many dumber than you? I think because that is the way liberals roll. Liberals just can't accept that their world view isn't the popular world view. And if it is proven not to be then the proof is suspect.

Hillary told you what questioning the election was, an attack on the Republic, why do you keep attacking the Republic?

Guess what, someone right now, I will bet, is trying to hack into your emails. And if you responded to bogus web sites or kept your own unprotected server in your bathroom then you deserve to be hacked and if that hack lead to you losing an election, it didn't but if it did, guess who you would have to blame.

Straw man. I've never said they influenced the election. There is no way to accurately quantify such a thing.

I'm saying that I'd think Americans of all ideological stripes would feel and express outrage that the Russians would even try and then get that far.

That's it. And unfortunately, that's not what is happening. Instead, it's being mocked and minimized, it's no big deal, for very obvious reasons.

And yes, left wingers do the same thing, hence my sig. Opposite sides of the same coin. Party over country.
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If, after this election, the major parties do NOT take serious steps to improve their cyber security, they deserve to lose. One of the reasons I distrusted Hillary was her cavalier attitude towards email security, and I simply don't care if it sank to the level of a crime or not.

Yep, agreed.
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[Mac1958]

There are those of us who voted Trump that wouldn't be screaming if a foreign entity revealed accurate information about him.

You really don't think that, had Russia done this to the Republicans and Trump lost, that they would be complaining?
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Mac, it would depend on what was revealed. That is the point. Trust me. If it was revealed that the RNC set things up like the DNC did, we would be pissed.

Not sure why you constantly ignore us crushing the establishment RINOS. All of us true conservatives do.

Everyone from Limbaugh to Savage to us on here. Crush the RINOS for being left wing socialists while selling themselves as conservatives.

Why do you ignore that?

Because I don't understand it.

I've seen people like Jeb and Kasich and Christie called RINOs, and the notion that they're "left wing socialists" is beyond absurd to me.
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[Seawytch]

Republicans are clearly choosing party over country in this instance. Can you cite a similar instance from Democrats history?

Holy crap, sure.

The way they have leveraged race for generations, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have divided Americans into little grievance groups, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have enabled young American minds on American college campuses to become examples of hate & intolerance, for political gain.

Obviously.

Was this a trick question?
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No, I wanted a specific example and you're giving generalities. You're playing the same bullshit game the media plays with false equivalencies. "Both sides do it" because one side murdered somebody and the other side soaped the other guys fucking window...

 

[Mac1958]

Republicans are clearly choosing party over country in this instance. Can you cite a similar instance from Democrats history?

Holy crap, sure.

The way they have leveraged race for generations, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have divided Americans into little grievance groups, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have enabled young American minds on American college campuses to become examples of hate & intolerance, for political gain.

Obviously.

Was this a trick question?
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No, I wanted a specific example and you're giving generalities. You're playing the same bullshit game the media plays with false equivalencies. "Both sides do it" because one side murdered somebody and the other side soaped the other guys fucking window...

We both know that I could provide myriad examples.

You asked, I answered, I wasn't expecting agreement.
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[Seawytch]

Republicans are clearly choosing party over country in this instance. Can you cite a similar instance from Democrats history?

Holy crap, sure.

The way they have leveraged race for generations, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have divided Americans into little grievance groups, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have enabled young American minds on American college campuses to become examples of hate & intolerance, for political gain.

Obviously.

Was this a trick question?
.

No, I wanted a specific example and you're giving generalities. You're playing the same bullshit game the media plays with false equivalencies. "Both sides do it" because one side murdered somebody and the other side soaped the other guys fucking window...

We both know that I could provide myriad examples.

You asked, I answered, I wasn't expecting agreement.
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What you cannot give is the equivalent to what the GOP is doing now.

 

[Mac1958]

Republicans are clearly choosing party over country in this instance. Can you cite a similar instance from Democrats history?

Holy crap, sure.

The way they have leveraged race for generations, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have divided Americans into little grievance groups, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have enabled young American minds on American college campuses to become examples of hate & intolerance, for political gain.

Obviously.

Was this a trick question?
.

No, I wanted a specific example and you're giving generalities. You're playing the same bullshit game the media plays with false equivalencies. "Both sides do it" because one side murdered somebody and the other side soaped the other guys fucking window...

We both know that I could provide myriad examples.

You asked, I answered, I wasn't expecting agreement.
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What you cannot give is the equivalent to what the GOP is doing now.

You asked for an example of party over country, and I provided three.

If you want precise equivalence, that could never happen. On either end. Obviously.

So when I asked if this were a trick question, it appears I was right there, too.
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[Seawytch]

Republicans are clearly choosing party over country in this instance. Can you cite a similar instance from Democrats history?

Holy crap, sure.

The way they have leveraged race for generations, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have divided Americans into little grievance groups, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have enabled young American minds on American college campuses to become examples of hate & intolerance, for political gain.

Obviously.

Was this a trick question?
.

No, I wanted a specific example and you're giving generalities. You're playing the same bullshit game the media plays with false equivalencies. "Both sides do it" because one side murdered somebody and the other side soaped the other guys fucking window...

We both know that I could provide myriad examples.

You asked, I answered, I wasn't expecting agreement.
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What you cannot give is the equivalent to what the GOP is doing now.

You asked for an example of party over country, and I provided three.

If you want precise equivalence, that could never happen. On either end. Obviously.

So when I asked if this were a trick question, it appears I was right there, too.
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Forget precise, not close by thousands of miles. This is clear cut. Your examples are your feelings.

 

[Mac1958]

Holy crap, sure.

The way they have leveraged race for generations, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have divided Americans into little grievance groups, doing virtually nothing to heal wounds, for political gain.

The way they have enabled young American minds on American college campuses to become examples of hate & intolerance, for political gain.

Obviously.

Was this a trick question?
.

No, I wanted a specific example and you're giving generalities. You're playing the same bullshit game the media plays with false equivalencies. "Both sides do it" because one side murdered somebody and the other side soaped the other guys fucking window...

We both know that I could provide myriad examples.

You asked, I answered, I wasn't expecting agreement.
.

What you cannot give is the equivalent to what the GOP is doing now.

You asked for an example of party over country, and I provided three.

If you want precise equivalence, that could never happen. On either end. Obviously.

So when I asked if this were a trick question, it appears I was right there, too.
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Forget precise, not close by thousands of miles. This is clear cut. Your examples are your feelings.

Okay, got it.
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[Theowl32]

There are those of us who voted Trump that wouldn't be screaming if a foreign entity revealed accurate information about him.

You really don't think that, had Russia done this to the Republicans and Trump lost, that they would be complaining?
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Mac, it would depend on what was revealed. That is the point. Trust me. If it was revealed that the RNC set things up like the DNC did, we would be pissed.

Not sure why you constantly ignore us crushing the establishment RINOS. All of us true conservatives do.

Everyone from Limbaugh to Savage to us on here. Crush the RINOS for being left wing socialists while selling themselves as conservatives.

Why do you ignore that?

Because I don't understand it.

I've seen people like Jeb and Kasich and Christie called RINOs, and the notion that they're "left wing socialists" is beyond absurd to me.
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I can show you where they show their true colors. Like when they promote bipartisanship.

Bipartisanship is just a cute little word for ONE PARTY system. Know this. When both parties agree with no resistance, we the people are getting screwed.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Okay, just for the hell of it, let's try to define what the question "Did Russia Hack the Election?" actually means.

If I have this right, I don't believe anyone is saying that Russia somehow got into voting booths or hacked into voting machines or computers or servers and changed votes from Hillary to Trump. If I'm wrong on that, if you believe that, please say so and provide whatever evidence you have.

I believe that what is being said is that the Russians "hacked" into Podesta's and other DNC people's email accounts via phishing and got oodles of seriously damning shit on the Democrats, spilled the beans, and here we are. They are saying that an unfriendly foreign power found and used a method of influencing opinions on a major party presidential candidate, and it may have made enough of a difference in a close race. That's it, unless I'm missing something.

So, four reasonable questions:

1. Was Podesta, was the DNC, an easy mark for this activity, did they screw up? Yeah, it appears so.
2. Did the Russians try to hack the RNC too? Entirely possible, no one can say for sure either way.
3. Could all the shit that came out from the hacked emails been the final straw against Clinton, particularly in those rust belt states where Trump barely beat her and gained critical electoral votes? Yeah, that seems like a reasonable possibility.
   
4. And finally, if Trump had been the one whose party's emails were hacked and Hillary won critical electoral states by a hair, would his supporters be screaming right now? Of course.

So what is YOUR definition of "hacking"?
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You're complicating something quite simple: Calumny was used to defame HRC with the intent of the Russian Hierarchy to make sure she did not become POTUS.

What would motivate our adversaries to do so? That is the germane question?

The simple answer is, which candidates, and eventually which nominee, was the most experienced, and the most knowledgeable of Russia's agenda under Putin, and in which way could they assure themselves of having that person defeated.

It's really a simple process, one seen in every high school, a whispering campaign to defame a rival. And it is of course the method the GOP has used, sadly successfully, by attacking and assassinating the character of everyone who does not support their lust for power. Trump has done so from the time he first put his hat in the ring, and continues to do so even today.

Example: His tweet in response to Meryl Streep's comments at the Golden Globe Awards:

Reaction to Streep Speech, Trump Tweets

Not only did Trump lie, he attacked the Character and the skill of an Oscar Winner. This is the unstable and unfit person we will suffer through for the next four years. Putin and his cronies own Trump and his cronies.

 

[hazlnut]

Okay, just for the hell of it, let's try to define what the question "Did Russia Hack the Election?" actually means.

If I have this right, I don't believe anyone is saying that Russia somehow got into voting booths or hacked into voting machines or computers or servers and changed votes from Hillary to Trump. If I'm wrong on that, if you believe that, please say so and provide whatever evidence you have.

I believe that what is being said is that the Russians "hacked" into Podesta's and other DNC people's email accounts via phishing and got oodles of seriously damning shit on the Democrats, spilled the beans, and here we are. They are saying that an unfriendly foreign power found and used a method of influencing opinions on a major party presidential candidate, and it may have made enough of a difference in a close race. That's it, unless I'm missing something.

So, four reasonable questions:

1. Was Podesta, was the DNC, an easy mark for this activity, did they screw up? Yeah, it appears so.
2. Did the Russians try to hack the RNC too? Entirely possible, no one can say for sure either way.
3. Could all the shit that came out from the hacked emails been the final straw against Clinton, particularly in those rust belt states where Trump barely beat her and gained critical electoral votes? Yeah, that seems like a reasonable possibility.
   
4. And finally, if Trump had been the one whose party's emails were hacked and Hillary won critical electoral states by a hair, would his supporters be screaming right now? Of course.

So what is YOUR definition of "hacking"?
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Yes.

Already proven and confirmed.

Move on.

America was played.

 

[asaratis]

You really don't think that, had Russia done this to the Republicans and Trump lost, that they would be complaining?
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I thought the Intel "opinions" were that the RNC had also been hacked. In fact, the FBI tried to warn BOTH nearly simultaneously back in July or August..

RNC had better firewalls. Either that or they got hacked and there was nothing disturbing found to expose.

Well someone needs to sort this out. The RNC denies it. BUT the same "Intelligence Agencies" that are SURE the Russians did both the hacking and release of DNC documents, APPARENTLY said with HIGH CONFIDENCE, that the RNC was hacked.

Intelligence: Russians hacked RNC too, to hurt Clinton, help Trump

By DAVID E. SANGER and Scott Shane
The New York Times
WASHINGTON — U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald Trump, according to senior administration officials.

They based that conclusion, in part, on another finding — which they say was also reached with high confidence — that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s (RNC) computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.


My question is -- if they got this wrong -- how HIGH is the confidence really?

Don't you feel all warm and fuzzy about the safe hands we all are in??

The FBI, the CIA, the NSA and all other so-called apolitical entities are full of PEOPLE. People tend not to forget their political ties when making decisions of any sort, especially when they serve at the behest of a more powerful political figure.

You are the type that would have cheered on the Nazis in WW2.... Sell out...

Why don't you go fuck you horse, cowboy? You're about a dumb as a person can get. You do nothing but trash up a perfectly good forum with your utter nonsense..

 

[jbander]

Okay, just for the hell of it, let's try to define what the question "Did Russia Hack the Election?" actually means.

If I have this right, I don't believe anyone is saying that Russia somehow got into voting booths or hacked into voting machines or computers or servers and changed votes from Hillary to Trump. If I'm wrong on that, if you believe that, please say so and provide whatever evidence you have.

I believe that what is being said is that the Russians "hacked" into Podesta's and other DNC people's email accounts via phishing and got oodles of seriously damning shit on the Democrats, spilled the beans, and here we are. They are saying that an unfriendly foreign power found and used a method of influencing opinions on a major party presidential candidate, and it may have made enough of a difference in a close race. That's it, unless I'm missing something.

So, four reasonable questions:

1. Was Podesta, was the DNC, an easy mark for this activity, did they screw up? Yeah, it appears so.
2. Did the Russians try to hack the RNC too? Entirely possible, no one can say for sure either way.
3. Could all the shit that came out from the hacked emails been the final straw against Clinton, particularly in those rust belt states where Trump barely beat her and gained critical electoral votes? Yeah, that seems like a reasonable possibility.
   
4. And finally, if Trump had been the one whose party's emails were hacked and Hillary won critical electoral states by a hair, would his supporters be screaming right now? Of course.

So what is YOUR definition of "hacking"?
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The emails meant almost nothing. I can't remember any of them.

Hillary lost for one reason, and it is time for you and whomever voted for her to realize it. Hillary lost because of one thing, she is Hillary. For crying out loud could the nomination go to anyone that was a worse candidate then Trump?

How about the leaked locker room talk from Trump, what is that different then leaked emails that the voting public should know about.

This whole hacking shit has to be the worse butt balm ever created.

It would be helpful, for the sake of the country, to back away from the partisan political angle here and discuss whether we care that the Russians worked to influence an American presidential election.

I would think that both major parties would be outraged. That doesn't have anything to do with who won, nor does it mean that Trump gets kicked out or penalized or anything else. He won, and that's it.

The Russians fucked with our election, whether it was effective or not. They more than just tried, they were successful in at least pushing in one direction. That doesn't appear to bother the side that won, and I find that pretty troubling.
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I think Putin had a adviser on this side of the ocean call Small Hands Rump. It would easily do thing 10 times slimier than that so if he is found to be part of this , I believe a firing squad will be in order and if they take volunteer I know a lot of Good Americans that would want to be the patriots to do it.

 

[jbander]

There are some several key points that the Russians were cheating on the American elections, according to this declassified report from the CIA, the FBI, and lastly, the National Security Agency, and their significant scope is that Russia is the only country creating this blurred line of this unprotected thing, and that is hacking.

Then we can safely dismiss everything they said. That's utter bullshit. China alone has stolen millions worth of intellectual property rights.

Listen MR dog turd ,TEll us again what China has to do with anything. Start a thread if you think it is interesting. but it just looks stupid stuck in this thread.

I explained it, Mr. Dog Turd sucker. I responded to the idiotic statement in bold.

You said something about it maybe but you surely didn't explain anything . China has nothing to do with Russia hacking the Dems . Its like arguing against Hillary by Bills sex life. It's stupid nonsense and dog turd that would be all you have.

Don't blame your dog turd brain on me. The point was hacking, if you can't understand the answer, tough shit. No wonder you're a liberal.

You offer nothing , You don't exist anymore because your a puke , with a empty brain or just brain dead. It's been a slice. your out of here.

 

[jbander]

I don't see what all the fuss is about really. The Russians were not the only ones who did not wish to see Hillary elected. The American people did not want her elected either. It was a win for everyone.

No the majority , in fact the major majority voted for Her, To much FOX CRAP NEWS buddy.

 

[jbander]

There are some several key points that the Russians were cheating on the American elections, according to this declassified report from the CIA, the FBI, and lastly, the National Security Agency, and their significant scope is that Russia is the only country creating this blurred line of this unprotected thing, and that is hacking.

Then we can safely dismiss everything they said. That's utter bullshit. China alone has stolen millions worth of intellectual property rights.

Listen MR dog turd ,TEll us again what China has to do with anything. Start a thread if you think it is interesting. but it just looks stupid stuck in this thread.

I explained it, Mr. Dog Turd sucker. I responded to the idiotic statement in bold.

You said something about it maybe but you surely didn't explain anything . China has nothing to do with Russia hacking the Dems . Its like arguing against Hillary by Bills sex life. It's stupid nonsense and dog turd that would be all you have.

The bitch, Hillary defended her predator husband by trying to destroy the characters of every woman that came forward saying he'd molested or raped them. This is in direct opposition to her false claim that she thinks all women that claim to have been sexually harassed should be listened to. She was enabling Slick Willy to continue with his perversion. She's just as bad as he was in that regard.

...and YOU are a blithering idiot.

Sorry your on the dumb fuck list, couldn't help it though, I tried to have people not put you on it, I fought for you but they said answering a Russian hacking of this country with a answer about Bills sex lives only can take you one place, that would be to the end of the stupid line. , so I'm sure you understand how you got to the stupid list.

 

[jbander]

There are those of us who voted Trump that wouldn't be screaming if a foreign entity revealed accurate information about him.

You really don't think that, had Russia done this to the Republicans and Trump lost, that they would be complaining?
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I thought the Intel "opinions" were that the RNC had also been hacked. In fact, the FBI tried to warn BOTH nearly simultaneously back in July or August..

RNC had better firewalls. Either that or they got hacked and there was nothing disturbing found to expose.

Well someone needs to sort this out. The RNC denies it. BUT the same "Intelligence Agencies" that are SURE the Russians did both the hacking and release of DNC documents, APPARENTLY said with HIGH CONFIDENCE, that the RNC was hacked.

Intelligence: Russians hacked RNC too, to hurt Clinton, help Trump

By DAVID E. SANGER and Scott Shane
The New York Times
WASHINGTON — U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald Trump, according to senior administration officials.

They based that conclusion, in part, on another finding — which they say was also reached with high confidence — that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s (RNC) computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.


My question is -- if they got this wrong -- how HIGH is the confidence really?

Don't you feel all warm and fuzzy about the safe hands we all are in??

The FBI, the CIA, the NSA and all other so-called apolitical entities are full of PEOPLE. People tend not to forget their political ties when making decisions of any sort, especially when they serve at the behest of a more powerful political figure.

Now everyone has to remember that the letter groups support of their (the hate party)opinions have always been proof positive when they make a point , telling us the high level of truth that comes from their programs. If they agree with them that is.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Okay, just for the hell of it, let's try to define what the question "Did Russia Hack the Election?" actually means.

If I have this right, I don't believe anyone is saying that Russia somehow got into voting booths or hacked into voting machines or computers or servers and changed votes from Hillary to Trump. If I'm wrong on that, if you believe that, please say so and provide whatever evidence you have.

I believe that what is being said is that the Russians "hacked" into Podesta's and other DNC people's email accounts via phishing and got oodles of seriously damning shit on the Democrats, spilled the beans, and here we are. They are saying that an unfriendly foreign power found and used a method of influencing opinions on a major party presidential candidate, and it may have made enough of a difference in a close race. That's it, unless I'm missing something.

So, four reasonable questions:

1. Was Podesta, was the DNC, an easy mark for this activity, did they screw up? Yeah, it appears so.
2. Did the Russians try to hack the RNC too? Entirely possible, no one can say for sure either way.
3. Could all the shit that came out from the hacked emails been the final straw against Clinton, particularly in those rust belt states where Trump barely beat her and gained critical electoral votes? Yeah, that seems like a reasonable possibility.
   
4. And finally, if Trump had been the one whose party's emails were hacked and Hillary won critical electoral states by a hair, would his supporters be screaming right now? Of course.

So what is YOUR definition of "hacking"?
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President Trump should order a full investigation to uncover the identities of every nation involved in hacking US government websites and private communications. Lets presume Russia has an interest in effecting US elections. Are there other nations whose governments might be interested in effecting US elections? A better question might be: Are there any nations whose governments wouldn't be interested in effecting US elections? Would China be interested? How about North Korea? Iran? Israel? France? How about Saudi Arabia? I think Americans deserve to know about every nation involved in hacking and possibly influencing our elections.

 

[jbander]

Then we can safely dismiss everything they said. That's utter bullshit. China alone has stolen millions worth of intellectual property rights.

Listen MR dog turd ,TEll us again what China has to do with anything. Start a thread if you think it is interesting. but it just looks stupid stuck in this thread.

I explained it, Mr. Dog Turd sucker. I responded to the idiotic statement in bold.

You said something about it maybe but you surely didn't explain anything . China has nothing to do with Russia hacking the Dems . Its like arguing against Hillary by Bills sex life. It's stupid nonsense and dog turd that would be all you have.

The bitch, Hillary defended her predator husband by trying to destroy the characters of every woman that came forward saying he'd molested or raped them. This is in direct opposition to her false claim that she thinks all women that claim to have been sexually harassed should be listened to. She was enabling Slick Willyto continue with his perversion. She's just as bad as he was in that regard.

...and YOU are a blithering idiot.

Trying to change the topic I see...

Hitler murder 6 million Jews and you are not allowed murder one...

If you want the bottom line on wacko just wait till they start telling you the hundreds of people that the Clinton's have murdered to get into power. Those ones I always read because if they are that far wacko , the added things they say are usually really funny. You know Tri Lateral Commissions and masons and One world Governments and bilderbergers and Chinese military camps on US soil. Having all their guns taken away and closing Lead mines so they can't make bullets and just the most absolute lune bin gumbo.

 

[jbander]

Okay, just for the hell of it, let's try to define what the question "Did Russia Hack the Election?" actually means.

If I have this right, I don't believe anyone is saying that Russia somehow got into voting booths or hacked into voting machines or computers or servers and changed votes from Hillary to Trump. If I'm wrong on that, if you believe that, please say so and provide whatever evidence you have.

I believe that what is being said is that the Russians "hacked" into Podesta's and other DNC people's email accounts via phishing and got oodles of seriously damning shit on the Democrats, spilled the beans, and here we are. They are saying that an unfriendly foreign power found and used a method of influencing opinions on a major party presidential candidate, and it may have made enough of a difference in a close race. That's it, unless I'm missing something.

So, four reasonable questions:

1. Was Podesta, was the DNC, an easy mark for this activity, did they screw up? Yeah, it appears so.
2. Did the Russians try to hack the RNC too? Entirely possible, no one can say for sure either way.
3. Could all the shit that came out from the hacked emails been the final straw against Clinton, particularly in those rust belt states where Trump barely beat her and gained critical electoral votes? Yeah, that seems like a reasonable possibility.
   
4. And finally, if Trump had been the one whose party's emails were hacked and Hillary won critical electoral states by a hair, would his supporters be screaming right now? Of course.

So what is YOUR definition of "hacking"?
.

President Trump should order a full investigation to uncover the identities of every nation involved in hacking US government websites and private communications. Lets presume Russia has an interest in effecting US elections. Are there other nations whose governments might be interested in effecting US elections? A better question might be: Are there any nations whose governments wouldn't be interested in effecting US elections? Would China be interested? How about North Korea? Iran? Israel? France? How about Saudi Arabia? I think Americans deserve to know about every nation involved in hacking and possibly influencing our elections.

I think your stupid and trying to get as far away as possible that this was done for small Hands and the probable fact with his help, Small Hands is easily within that scum level to do it.