Did you Support War in Iraq??

[Correll]

Thus, me and struth have different opinions on the matter. I respect his position and his right to have it,

That is exactly why you’re in a cult. The full blown cult that has now become the republican party with more than half iengulfed in Trumpism and now propagating the biggest political lie ever in American history. That Trump won the election.

You only have genuine respect for the opinions of your fellow cult members. You no longer have a requirement that their opinions need to be based in fact, specifically when life and death matters such as starting a preemptive war were at stake.

To have a cult, the republican party, the critical importance facts must lose relevance or it loses members. And as the majority white Party in America it can no longer afford to lose another single white oriented member or voter.

There are times when you must respect “only“ the facts and condemn erroneous and false opinions that can do harm.

this is one of them and you are failing miserably.

struth is a liar when he repeats the lie that the WMDs were found and therefore the Iraq war was justified. He is a liar. You have no self respect when you say that you respect a liar.

odd...people are in a cult if they respect other people, and their different opinions

that’s something i haven’t heard before

Yeah, he's pretty bat shit crazy.

 

[struth]

Thus, me and struth have different opinions on the matter. I respect his position and his right to have it,

That is exactly why you’re in a cult. The full blown cult that has now become the republican party with more than half iengulfed in Trumpism and now propagating the biggest political lie ever in American history. That Trump won the election.

You only have genuine respect for the opinions of your fellow cult members. You no longer have a requirement that their opinions need to be based in fact, specifically when life and death matters such as starting a preemptive war were at stake.

To have a cult, the republican party, the critical importance facts must lose relevance or it loses members. And as the majority white Party in America it can no longer afford to lose another single white oriented member or voter.

There are times when you must respect “only“ the facts and condemn erroneous and false opinions that can do harm.

this is one of them and you are failing miserably.

struth is a liar when he repeats the lie that the WMDs were found and therefore the Iraq war was justified. He is a liar. You have no self respect when you say that you respect a liar.

odd...people are in a cult if they respect other people, and their different opinions

that’s something i haven’t heard before

Yeah, he's pretty bat shit crazy.

baghdad bob is up to his old tricks again

 

[NotfooledbyW]

r. THe point is that you are citing the fact that something was said, as PROOF THAT THAT MAKES IT A FACT.

No its already been explained. Biden said what he said in a Senate hearing - that is a fact. The fact is Biden publicly stated that he was not in favor of starting the invasion without a second resolution from the UNSC.that would authorize the use of force to remove SH. Biden said he saw no elevation of threat that made it necessary to start the invasion during the Spring of 2003.

The fact that Biden is on record opposing the invasion without UN support makes struth a liar when he says Biden supported invading Iraq in March 2003 without UN support.
struth is lying and I understand that you respect liars.

 

[struth]

r. THe point is that you are citing the fact that something was said, as PROOF THAT THAT MAKES IT A FACT.

No its ready been explained. Biden said what he said in a Senate hearing - that is a fact. The fact is Biden publicly stated that he was not in favor of starting the invasion without a second resolution from the UNSC.that would authorize the use oc force to remove SH. Biden said he saw no elevation of threat that made it necessary start the invasion during the Spring if 2003.

The fact that Biden is on record opposing the invasion without UN support makes struth a liar when he says Biden supported invading Iraq in March 2003 without UN support.
struth is lying and I understand that you respect liars.

hahaha xiden is on record voting to authorize the war and liberate iraq from saddam!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Yeah, he's pretty bat shit crazy.

That is not a fact. SH was not hiding WMD from UN inspectors after 1441. struth claims SH was hiding WND because the invading army found them. struth is a liar. Why don’t you focus on the liars?

 

[struth]

Yeah, he's pretty bat shit crazy.

That is not a fact. SH was not hiding WMD from UN inspectors after 1441. struth claims SH was hiding WND because the invading army found them. struth is a liar. Why don’t you focus on the liars?

Xiden's liberating military found them U.S. Intelligence Documents on Chemical Weapons Found in Iraq

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U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report"​

 

[NotfooledbyW]

ahaha xiden is on record voting to authorize the war and liberate iraq from saddam!

The vote was in October 2002 when there were no UN inspections in Iraq. The vote was correct. SH needed to allow the inspectors back on or be removed.

But Biden’s updated comments in February 2003 were based in the new FACTS and REALITY that Saddam had allowed the inspectors in after the UNSC passed 1441 in November 2002.

If you were an honest person you would accept Biden’s updated position in 2003 based on the new reality UN Involvement and the ongoing indirections.

But because you are a liar you reject all reality that occurred after 1441 was passed. Its as if Biden voted for war in October 2002 and the next day March 17 2003, with Bush announcing he will start killing civilians while hunting for WMD IN Iraq.

 

[struth]

ahaha xiden is on record voting to authorize the war and liberate iraq from saddam!

The vote was in October 2002 when there were no UN inspections in Iraq. The vote was correct. SH needed to allow the inspectors back on or be removed.

But Biden’s updated comments in February 2003 were based in the new FACTS and REALITY that Saddam had allowed the inspectors in after the UNSC passed 1441 in November 2002.

If you were an honest person you would accept Biden’s updated position in 2003 based on the new reality UN Involvement and the ongoing indirections.

But because you are a liar you reject all reality that occurred after 1441 was passed. Its as if Biden voted for war in October 2002 and the next day March 17 2003, with Bush announcing he will start killing civilians while hunting for WMD IN Iraq.

who cares what he said after the fact

the vote is on the record

xiden wanted to liberate iraq and said ground forces were necessary

we’ve been over this

 

[NotfooledbyW]

IMO, the WMDs, ie large stockpiles of chemical weapons and/or nuclear weapons materials, were NOT found in anything like the manner or scale that we expected.

U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report"

You need to listen to Correll because he is attached to reality (for the time being) on this one.

You are a liar because:

ATE: 10/15/14 11:30AM (EDT)...​

Saddam’s WMD: Technology Made In USA,Delivered by Rumsfeld​

Jim White Emptywheel.net Published October 15, 2014​

In a blockbuster story published last night by the New York Times, C.J. Shivers lays out chapter and verse on the despicable way the US military covered up the discovery of chemical weapons in Iraq after the 2003 invasion. Even worse is the cover-up of injuries sustained by US troops from those weapons, their denial of treatment and denial of recognition or their injuries sustained on the battlefront.​

Why was this covered up, you might ask? After all, if George W. Bush would joke at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner about looking under White House furniture for Saddam’s WMD’s, why didn’t the US blast out the news of the WMD’s that had supposedly prompted the US invasion?​

The answer is simple. The chemical weapons that were found did not date to the time frame when the US was accusing Saddam of “illegally” producing them. Instead, they were old chemical weapons that dated from the time Saddam was our friend. They come from the time when the US sent Donald Rumsfeld to shake Saddam’s hand and to grease the skids for Iraq to get chemical weapons to use in their war against Iran…​

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THE have posted evidence that Bush lied when he said this:

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” DUBYA the DECIDER March 17 2003.

There was no intelligence as Bush stated that led US trooos to the 1980s old and rusty shells. Bush had no intelligence on newer lethal weapons because they had no locations to find them. Its not Intel that affirms that WMD exist but cannot say where they are.

Bush lied about WMD and now you lie trying to salvage his legacy.. Bush lied and killed half a million Iraqis looking for WMD. You own it. W should have listened to Buden.,

 

[struth]

IMO, the WMDs, ie large stockpiles of chemical weapons and/or nuclear weapons materials, were NOT found in anything like the manner or scale that we expected.

U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report"

You need to listen to Correll because he is attached to reality (for the time being) on this one.

You are a liar because:

ATE: 10/15/14 11:30AM (EDT)...​

Saddam’s WMD: Technology Made In USA,Delivered by Rumsfeld​

​

Jim White Emptywheel.net Published October 15, 2014​

In a blockbuster story published last night by the New York Times, C.J. Shivers lays out chapter and verse on the despicable way the US military covered up the discovery of chemical weapons in Iraq after the 2003 invasion. Even worse is the cover-up of injuries sustained by US troops from those weapons, their denial of treatment and denial of recognition or their injuries sustained on the battlefront.​

​

Why was this covered up, you might ask? After all, if George W. Bush would joke at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner about looking under White House furniture for Saddam’s WMD’s, why didn’t the US blast out the news of the WMD’s that had supposedly prompted the US invasion?​

​

The answer is simple. The chemical weapons that were found did not date to the time frame when the US was accusing Saddam of “illegally” producing them. Instead, they were old chemical weapons that dated from the time Saddam was our friend. They come from the time when the US sent Donald Rumsfeld to shake Saddam’s hand and to grease the skids for Iraq to get chemical weapons to use in their war against Iran…​

​

THE have posted evidence that Bush lied when he said this:

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” DUBYA the DECIDER March 17 2003.

There was no intelligence as Bush stated that led US trooos to the 1980s old and rusty shells. Bush had no intelligence on newer lethal weapons because they had no locations to find them. Its not Intel that affirms that WMD exist but cannot say where they are.

Bush lied about WMD and now you lie trying to salvage his legacy.. Bush lied and killed half a million Iraqis looking for WMD. You own it. W should have listened to Buden.,

I’m just providing the documents...from the Govt that the NY Times used as their source material for the Op-ed

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I’m just providing the documents.

Yeah but you failed to read them as you applied your fake headline about what finding rusty, leaky artillery shells from the 1980s in Iraq truly means.

I had to present you with the truth.

You are a liar and Correll respects your ability to lie for the cult.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

IMO, the WMDs, ie large stockpiles of chemical weapons and/or nuclear weapons materials, were NOT found in anything like the manner or scale that we expected.

Thus, me and struth have different opinions on the matter. I respect his position and his right to have it, I do not think less of him because of our disagreement

You have been able to ascertain the following fact: (in your own words)

​

“the WMDs, ie large stockpiles of chemical weapons and/or nuclear weapons materials, were NOT found in anything like the manner or scale that we expected.” ..​

​

That statement is a verified, certified accurate and historically accepted fact. IT IS NOT an OPINION.

It is an accepted fact acknowledged by the Bush43, Warmongers themselves including DIck Cheney and Colin Powell.

HERE is the NYTimes wording on the
same fact:

The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.​

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons​

The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale.​

After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Mr. Bush insisted that Mr. Hussein was hiding an active weapons of mass destruction program, in defiance of international will and at the world’s risk. United Nations inspectors said they could not find evidence for these claims.​

Then, during the long occupation, American troops began encountering old chemical munitions in hidden caches and roadside bombs. Typically 155-millimeter artillery shells or 122-millimeter rockets, they were remnants of an arms program Iraq had rushed into production in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war.​

All had been manufactured before 1991, participants said. Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty, though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or residual sarin. Most could not have been used as designed, and when they ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area, according to those who collected the majority of them.​

In case after case, participants said, analysis of these warheads and shells reaffirmed intelligence failures. First, the American government did not find what it had been looking for at the war’s outset, then it failed to prepare its troops and medical corps for the aged weapons it did find.​

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Do you see the link to the NYTimes report containing the statement of fact regarding the WMD rationale that Bush43 used to justify his war?

Here is what your Trump Supporter buddy struth explains in direct reference to that link:

I’m just providing the documents...from the Govt that the NY Times used as their source material for the Op-ed

The government documents referenced in the NYTimes report contain thus FACT:

​

​

“The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale.​

Yet here is the intent struth duly stated and posted with the NYTimes link and in response to my comments to you about struth lies.

​

“SH was not hiding WMD from UN inspectors after 1441. struth claims SH was hiding WMD because the invading army found them. struth is a liar. Why don’t you focus on the liars?​

Here is precisely struth ’s big lie despite having the truth available to him if he had read the NYTimes link he provided.

Xiden's liberating military found them U.S. Intelligence Documents on Chemical Weapons Found in Iraq

"

U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report​

struth posted “Xiden's liberating military found them” with “them” being the WMD cited as justification for war and included a link to back up his claim that avtualled states the opposite FACT.

“The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale.​

That is a lie. struth is a liar. &struth is not an opinionator.

Why do you respect a liar Correll if it is not that he is a comrade with you in the Trump cult?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Saddam insanely destroyed the wmds, without documenting it.

Thus, the inspectors were on a fool's errand that they could NOT be successful at.

Would you not have preferred, as Biden suggested prior to the decision to invade, for the inspectors to have been on a fool’s errand instead of the US military being sent on one. At least with the inspectors being the fools half a million Iraqis didn’t have to die as the did when Bush43 decided to turn the US Military into an invasion army of fools.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

IMO, the motive of the UN inspectors was PEACE AT ANY COST, which made their statements not credible.

Why your objection to a motive of peace by the inspectors “at any cost” when you concurrently were not concerned about the threat of SH actually having the WMD that he was suspected of having?

I found the WMD argument to be unconvincing at the time.

What do you mean “at any cost”

IF, Saddam had been able to provide evidence that his wmds had been destroyed and support for the invasion collapsed and the decision was made to NOT invade Iraq, I would have been fine with that.


I realized at the time, that invasion was a costly gamble. NOT doing it would have been fine with me too.

There should be no “cost” when your ‘nation building” project, was canceled because the inspectors peacenik motives caused Iraq to be declared in compliance with its disarmament obligations.,

What were the costs in your head at the time if the inspectors found Iraq to be in compliance? Why were you fine with that if there were serious costs?

 

[struth]

IMO, the WMDs, ie large stockpiles of chemical weapons and/or nuclear weapons materials, were NOT found in anything like the manner or scale that we expected.

Thus, me and struth have different opinions on the matter. I respect his position and his right to have it, I do not think less of him because of our disagreement

You have been able to ascertain the following fact: (in your own words)

​

“the WMDs, ie large stockpiles of chemical weapons and/or nuclear weapons materials, were NOT found in anything like the manner or scale that we expected.” ..​

​

That statement is a verified, certified accurate and historically accepted fact. IT IS NOT an OPINION.

It is an accepted fact acknowledged by the Bush43, Warmongers themselves including DIck Cheney and Colin Powell.

HERE is the NYTimes wording on the
same fact:

The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.​

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons​

The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale.​

After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Mr. Bush insisted that Mr. Hussein was hiding an active weapons of mass destruction program, in defiance of international will and at the world’s risk. United Nations inspectors said they could not find evidence for these claims.​

Then, during the long occupation, American troops began encountering old chemical munitions in hidden caches and roadside bombs. Typically 155-millimeter artillery shells or 122-millimeter rockets, they were remnants of an arms program Iraq had rushed into production in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war.​

All had been manufactured before 1991, participants said. Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty, though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or residual sarin. Most could not have been used as designed, and when they ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area, according to those who collected the majority of them.​

In case after case, participants said, analysis of these warheads and shells reaffirmed intelligence failures. First, the American government did not find what it had been looking for at the war’s outset, then it failed to prepare its troops and medical corps for the aged weapons it did find.​

​

​

Do you see the link to the NYTimes report containing the statement of fact regarding the WMD rationale that Bush43 used to justify his war?

Here is what your Trump Supporter buddy struth explains in direct reference to that link:

I’m just providing the documents...from the Govt that the NY Times used as their source material for the Op-ed

The government documents referenced in the NYTimes report contain thus FACT:

​

​

“The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale.​

Yet here is the intent struth duly stated and posted with the NYTimes link and in response to my comments to you about struth lies.

​

“SH was not hiding WMD from UN inspectors after 1441. struth claims SH was hiding WMD because the invading army found them. struth is a liar. Why don’t you focus on the liars?​

Here is precisely struth ’s big lie despite having the truth available to him if he had read the NYTimes link he provided.

Xiden's liberating military found them U.S. Intelligence Documents on Chemical Weapons Found in Iraq

"

U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report​

struth posted “Xiden's liberating military found them” with “them” being the WMD cited as justification for war and included a link to back up his claim that avtualled states the opposite FACT.

“The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale.​

That is a lie. struth is a liar. &struth is not an opinionator.

Why do you respect a liar Correll if it is not that he is a comrade with you in the Trump cult?

I didn't post a NY TImes link. I posted a document from the Govt. which highlights stockpiles of WMDs were found that Saddam was hiding

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Xiden's liberating military found them U.S. Intelligence Documents on Chemical Weapons Found in Iraq

I didn't post a NY TImes link.

Liar! when I click on the link where you lied: “Xiden's liberating military found them” I get this:

U.S. Intelligence Documents on Chemical Weapons Found in Iraq (Published 2014)

American troops secretly reported finding more than 4,990 chemical munitions, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials and to heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

www.nytimes.com

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I posted a document from the Govt. which highlights stockpiles of WMDs were found that Saddam was hiding

Where is the link you think you posted:

Meanwhile read read the truth and let it sink into your thick lying skull:

Report: US troops in Iraq exposed to chemical weapons from Iran-Iraq War By STARS AND STRIPES Published: October 15, 2014​

Although claims that Iraq was still producing weapons of mass destruction just before the 2003 invasion of the country proved false, the U.S. military tried to cover up injuries to American troops who found chemical stockpiles from before the First Gulf War, according to a New York Times report.​

Report: US troops in Iraq exposed to chemical weapons from Iran-Iraq War​

Some troops were exposed to deadly mustard gas and sarin when they tried to destroy weapons, the Times reported Tuesday.​

The weapons were not one ones that the Bush Administration erroneously claimed Saddam Hussein was producing in violation of U.N. sanctions. Some of them were designed in America and sold to Iraq for use in the Iran-Iraq War, a conflict that left hundreds of thousands dead between 1980 and 1988. Amid an effort to keep the discoveries quiet, U.S. troops in the Iraq War were denied proper medical care and other troops were unknowingly put in contact with the chemical agents, according to the report​

 

[NotfooledbyW]

That bit where you whine about the expense of the war?

That is demagoguery, of the type that you lefties like to whine about if Trump does it. Just fyi.

I am not saying anything Trump has not said about the waste of money on the horrible mistake President George W. Bush made when he decided on March 17, 2003 to start a Christian culture war in the Islamic nation of Iraq. The mistake you supported Being the cultural Christian warmonger that you are.

 

[Correll]

Yeah, he's pretty bat shit crazy.

That is not a fact. SH was not hiding WMD from UN inspectors after 1441. struth claims SH was hiding WND because the invading army found them. struth is a liar. Why don’t you focus on the liars?

I explained that already.

The bit where you pretend I didn't? That is you lying.

 

[Correll]

IMO, the WMDs, ie large stockpiles of chemical weapons and/or nuclear weapons materials, were NOT found in anything like the manner or scale that we expected.

U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report"

You need to listen to Correll because he is attached to reality (for the time being) on this one.

You are a liar because:

ATE: 10/15/14 11:30AM (EDT)...​

Saddam’s WMD: Technology Made In USA,Delivered by Rumsfeld​

​

Jim White Emptywheel.net Published October 15, 2014​

In a blockbuster story published last night by the New York Times, C.J. Shivers lays out chapter and verse on the despicable way the US military covered up the discovery of chemical weapons in Iraq after the 2003 invasion. Even worse is the cover-up of injuries sustained by US troops from those weapons, their denial of treatment and denial of recognition or their injuries sustained on the battlefront.​

​

Why was this covered up, you might ask? After all, if George W. Bush would joke at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner about looking under White House furniture for Saddam’s WMD’s, why didn’t the US blast out the news of the WMD’s that had supposedly prompted the US invasion?​

​

The answer is simple. The chemical weapons that were found did not date to the time frame when the US was accusing Saddam of “illegally” producing them. Instead, they were old chemical weapons that dated from the time Saddam was our friend. They come from the time when the US sent Donald Rumsfeld to shake Saddam’s hand and to grease the skids for Iraq to get chemical weapons to use in their war against Iran…​

​

THE have posted evidence that Bush lied when he said this:

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” DUBYA the DECIDER March 17 2003.

There was no intelligence as Bush stated that led US trooos to the 1980s old and rusty shells. Bush had no intelligence on newer lethal weapons because they had no locations to find them. Its not Intel that affirms that WMD exist but cannot say where they are.

Bush lied about WMD and now you lie trying to salvage his legacy.. Bush lied and killed half a million Iraqis looking for WMD. You own it. W should have listened to Buden.,

Iraq was never our friend. Any source that would say it was, is an anti-American shit rag.