Disappointed in God

[Meriweather]

Haha, no, that's not going to work. The content is what it is.

Read it in Hebrew, then get back to me.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Read it in Hebrew, then get back to me.

No, you tell me how it's different in Hebrew. See you never, because it isn't. Yahweh is the same vain, Craven, immoral, unethical, cruel God in Hebrew as he is in any other language.

 

[BreezeWood]

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Right here, Buddy-Boy. G-d set the standards, we're the ones who want to change them to suit us, rather than abide by His.

that book was written 400 years past the 1st century events - by the crucifiers, the state religion of the roman empire - those goal posts.

why believe what the criminals wrote represents the liberation theology the 1st century events represent - and why it was written so much latter after the original followers were either killed or made destitute. and the recorded history of christianity, persecution and victimization of the innocent to the present day.

 

[Meriweather]

No, you tell me how it's different in Hebrew. See you never, because it isn't. Yahweh is the same vain, Craven, immoral, unethical, cruel God in Hebrew as he is in any other language.

Do you believe the Bible was written to give an account of a vain, craven, immoral, unethical, cruel God?

 

[JoeBlow]

Would that explain your preference for fairness, justice and goodness?

Those aren't innate things, you have to learn them.

 

[JoeBlow]

Satan was Lucifer, one of the highest Archangels and charged with covering the throne of G-d. Lucifer became so filled with pride that he thought he could overthrow G-d. So the LORD threw Satan and all of the angels that chose to follow him out of heaven. Satan is mankind's enemy. And Christ's death and resurrection sealed Satan's fate.

But if god created everything, why make the condition for satan to arise and then have to toss him out?

 

[JoeBlow]

I studied rabbinical commentary starting with rabbis as far back as possible.

Why does Jewish opinion through the years have the final say about a Christian Messiah?

 

[Meriweather]

Why does Jewish opinion through the years have the final say about a Christian Messiah?

Was it Jesus you were describing when you said, "a vain, craven, immoral, unethical, cruel God...."?

 

[JoeBlow]

Was it Jesus you were describing when you said, "a vain, craven, immoral, unethical, cruel God...."?

That was someone else, lol.

 

[ding]

Those aren't innate things, you have to learn them.

Except everyone is the same way. It would be unnatural to celebrate unfairness, injustice and evil.

So apparently they are innate.

 

[norwegen]

Why does Jewish opinion through the years have the final say about a Christian Messiah?

What Christian Messiah? Israel had a Messiah. Only Israel.

 

[Meriweather]

That was someone else, lol.

Ah. Then the answer to your question is that the messiah Jews are expecting is a national leader, like King David was. His leadership of the Jewish nation is predicted to inspire many other nations.

At the time of Jesus, expectation of the Messiah was high because the prophecy connected the Messiah with the rebuilding of the Temple. When the Temple that was rebuilt was destroyed a few decades after Jesus was killed, some were of the mind Jesus was the Messiah in the prophecy, but he was a spiritual Messiah. Others noted that the Temple wasn't being rebuilt, it was being remodeled, and that the promised Messiah will be connected with the Temple being completely rebuilt.

The final point is that "messiah" means anointed by God for a particular task. Jesus said he was anointed by God to proclaim the forgiveness of sins. There well could be a leader of Israel that meets the Hebrew Scripture prophecy. Or, as some Christians believe, scripture meant only one Messiah, and Jesus is it.

 

[BreezeWood]

Do you believe the Bible was written to give an account of a vain, craven, immoral, unethical, cruel God?

the c bible was written to insure servitude as witnessed by their crucifixion of who's liberation theology differed from judaism as self determination being the means for judgement and admission to the heavens. and their willingness to die for their true beliefs.

 

[Blues Man]

In the Hebrew, haSatan, meaning tester (like a prosecuting attorney).

Yeah OK

That's what Christian churches teach huh? Satan is just an attorney who is testing you.

 

[JoeBlow]

Except everyone is the same way. It would be unnatural to celebrate unfairness, injustice and evil.

So apparently they are innate.

Lots of people celebrate evil... Some people are just bad to the bone from birth. Some are born as very gentle children, some are halfway, so there's not a universal thing here.

 

[JoeBlow]

What Christian Messiah? Israel had a Messiah. Only Israel.

I guess you never heard of Jesus. Now you know, lol.

 

[JoeBlow]

Ah. Then the answer to your question is that the messiah Jews are expecting is a national leader, like King David was. His leadership of the Jewish nation is predicted to inspire many other nations.

At the time of Jesus, expectation of the Messiah was high because the prophecy connected the Messiah with the rebuilding of the Temple. When the Temple that was rebuilt was destroyed a few decades after Jesus was killed, some were of the mind Jesus was the Messiah in the prophecy, but he was a spiritual Messiah. Others noted that the Temple wasn't being rebuilt, it was being remodeled, and that the promised Messiah will be connected with the Temple being completely rebuilt.

The final point is that "messiah" means anointed by God for a particular task. Jesus said he was anointed by God to proclaim the forgiveness of sins. There well could be a leader of Israel that meets the Hebrew Scripture prophecy. Or, as some Christians believe, scripture meant only one Messiah, and Jesus is it.

Didn't the Jews help turn Jesus in to the Romans? And my question was, who cares what Jews thought of a Christian Messiah?

 

[ding]

Lots of people celebrate evil... Some people are just bad to the bone from birth. Some are born as very gentle children, some are halfway, so there's not a universal thing here.

No one celebrates evil. Do you celebrate evil? Or are you just not able to abandon your preference for good even when you don't do good?

 

[ding]

I guess you never heard of Jesus. Now you know, lol.

I believe his point is that Jesus is a Jew.

 

[JoeBlow]

No one celebrates evil. Do you celebrate evil? Or are you just not able to abandon your preference for good even when you don't do good?

Biker gangs for example will celebrate something that we call murder, but to them it's all a big joke.