Disenfranchising Colorado Voters Hurts Cruz

[DarkFury]

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Despite what the rules say, if you disenfranchise thousands of voters there will be blow back. CO GOP screwed up when they decided to take the vote away from the American people. Cruz suffered and will continue to suffer for the CO GOPe's #NeverTrump errr 'rules' (see above)

He may have won the delegates but that's not going to help him as his image continues to slide, and he gets slaughtered in the NY primary and beyond.

Where did you get the idea that political parties are democracies? Do you really want to have equal say in the Republican party with Democrats who cross over to vote for Trump just to screw Republicans?

You're fine with Americans being denied their vote? Forget its about Trump for a moment. Do you not see how fucked up it is to not allow people to vote? Isn't that what America is all about?

A little late to complain isn't it? The rules were made long ago, and every potential nominee was given a copy well before the date they were implemented. A real businessman would have at least said something before it became a problem, instead of whining after it was too late anyway.

It's never too late to complain about tens of thousands of voters being disenfranchised. Is it whining to point out that every single American (registered voter) should be allowed to cast their vote in America? That's what you call whining? You don't care if American's were denied their vote?

Delegates/Super Delegates and the Electoral college were put in to place at a time America did not have instant access to results.
That time has PASSED and so has the need for those three things.

 

[browsing deer]

a post from someone who was there. There were thousands who voted.

Was the Colorado election stolen from grassroots activists by the party elites?
Put simply, no. Plenty has already been written about the organizational advantage that Ted Cruz has demonstrated in the race for national delegates — smartly, the Cruz campaign had been on the ground in Colorado for eight months, whereas the Trump campaign hired its first ground operative last week — but few have noted that the rules in Colorado yielded a broader win for the grassroots over the elites.
On Friday, April 8, I attended the Fifth Congressional District Assembly, to which I was elected as a delegate after I attended my neighborhood caucus in March. Typically, these assemblies are boring and predictable. But not this year. In a surprise nomination from the floor, 32-year old Calandra Vargas was nominated to challenge sitting congressman Doug Lamborn (who had been unanimously nominated for re-election). Taking full advantage of the opportunity, Vargas gave the speech of her life.
When delegate balloting was completed, it was revealed that Vargas had won 58 percent of the vote. Representative Doug Lamborn, by contrast, was left with only 35 percent. (The balance of the votes went to another floor nomination.) Had Lamborn received less than 30 percent, he would have been kept off the ballot completely, left with no other way to run for re-election.
Bottom line: The establishment almost lost its congressman because of Colorado’s grassroots-caucus process. Moreover, because of the delegate vote results, Vargas will be listed first on the ballot — a huge advantage for any candidate. If the party elite were in fact pulling the strings, an upset like this wouldn’t have been possible.
The following day at the state assembly — to which I had also been elected a delegate — we heard speeches from ten U.S. Senate candidates who chose to go through the caucus and assembly process. An additional four candidates for Senate chose to bypass the assembly, and petition directly on to the ballot. Of those who attended the state assembly, state senator Tim Neville was the clear favorite. Without question, Neville had the best delegate outreach, fundraising, and assembly presence. Walking in, the delegates were sure of one thing: Neville would make the ballot.
At least they were sure of that until El Paso County Commissioner Darryl Glenn made his unexpectedly fiery nominating speech. Glenn hadn’t been successful in the traditional measures of candidate strength, such as fundraising. But, within Colorado’s assembly process, that didn’t matter. During his speech, Glenn received seven standing ovations — more than even Ted Cruz received later that day. Even better, Glenn received a remarkable 70 percent of the delegate votes, while Neville received just 18 percent. Because they were kept below the 30 percent threshold, Neville and the others were kept off the ballot. Glenn will now appear first on the US Senate ballot, above the four candidates who bypassed the assembly process.
Twice in two days in Colorado, grassroots Republican activists upended party expectations. None of us who were there were surprised by that. In Colorado, that’s just the way it works. Stealing? Not at all. That’s democracy.

Read more at: Colorado's Results Were a Victory for the Conservative Grassroots

 

[tinydancer]

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Despite what the rules say, if you disenfranchise thousands of voters there will be blow back. CO GOP screwed up when they decided to take the vote away from the American people. Cruz suffered and will continue to suffer for the CO GOPe's #NeverTrump errr 'rules' (see above)

He may have won the delegates but that's not going to help him as his image continues to slide, and he gets slaughtered in the NY primary and beyond.

Colorado chooses it delegates in local neighborhood caucuses. They are ranchers, teachers, store clerks, auto mechanics. The people spoke.

Why aren't you talking about Trump getting just 1/3 of the vote in SC yet 100% of the delegates?

Trump and his supporters are whiny hypocrite children.

I've never witnessed anything the the Cruz campaign that comes out on a daily basis and insults the shit out of Trump supporters.

It's freaking nuts and it's too late to change the tune now. Boarders slam Trump supporters. Media like Glenn Beck and Mark Levin and Red State mock Trump supporters.

Guess what fool? You can kiss the general goodbye.

Stupidest campaign move ever. It's one thing to go after the candidate but it is dumb fuck crazy to keep repeatedly slamming their supporters when in the end you want them voting for Cruz.

Hell's bells this is nuts. Say hi to Hillary in the WH because you have lost any chance of many people voting for a candidate and his campaign and his supporters that couldn't stop going after the voters.

 

[BULLDOG]

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Despite what the rules say, if you disenfranchise thousands of voters there will be blow back. CO GOP screwed up when they decided to take the vote away from the American people. Cruz suffered and will continue to suffer for the CO GOPe's #NeverTrump errr 'rules' (see above)

He may have won the delegates but that's not going to help him as his image continues to slide, and he gets slaughtered in the NY primary and beyond.

Where did you get the idea that political parties are democracies? Do you really want to have equal say in the Republican party with Democrats who cross over to vote for Trump just to screw Republicans?

You're fine with Americans being denied their vote? Forget its about Trump for a moment. Do you not see how fucked up it is to not allow people to vote? Isn't that what America is all about?

A little late to complain isn't it? The rules were made long ago, and every potential nominee was given a copy well before the date they were implemented. A real businessman would have at least said something before it became a problem, instead of whining after it was too late anyway.

It's never too late to complain about tens of thousands of voters being disenfranchised. Is it whining to point out that every single American (registered voter) should be allowed to cast their vote in America? That's what you call whining? You don't care if American's were denied their vote?

I agree that is should be decided by who gets the most votes, but it has never been that way, even if people thought it was. Nobody is disenfranchised, because they were never enfranchised in the first place. It would be unfair to the ones who actually bothered to know the rules beforehand and have run their campaigns accordingly, if they changed the rules now. A rule change is in order before the next election, but for now it's silly to claim there is some sort of conspiracy against anyone. Of course I care if anyone is denied their vote. I'm just saying the GOP had every right to make their own rules, and it would be unfair to change them mid election.

 

[Weatherman2020]

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Despite what the rules say, if you disenfranchise thousands of voters there will be blow back. CO GOP screwed up when they decided to take the vote away from the American people. Cruz suffered and will continue to suffer for the CO GOPe's #NeverTrump errr 'rules' (see above)

He may have won the delegates but that's not going to help him as his image continues to slide, and he gets slaughtered in the NY primary and beyond.

Colorado chooses it delegates in local neighborhood caucuses. They are ranchers, teachers, store clerks, auto mechanics. The people spoke.

Why aren't you talking about Trump getting just 1/3 of the vote in SC yet 100% of the delegates?

Trump and his supporters are whiny hypocrite children.

I've never witnessed anything the the Cruz campaign that comes out on a daily basis and insults the shit out of Trump supporters.

It's freaking nuts and it's too late to change the tune now. Boarders slam Trump supporters. Media like Glenn Beck and Mark Levin and Red State mock Trump supporters.

Guess what fool? You can kiss the general goodbye.

Stupidest campaign move ever. It's one thing to go after the candidate but it is dumb fuck crazy to keep repeatedly slamming their supporters when in the end you want them voting for Cruz.

Hell's bells this is nuts. Say hi to Hillary in the WH because you have lost any chance of many people voting for a candidate and his campaign and his supporters that couldn't stop going after the voters.

Forget Trump mocking Wisconsin Republican voters after he lost? He's a child.

Trump is identical to Hillary in every way except two. Sex and he is a better salesman.

 

[kaz]

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Despite what the rules say, if you disenfranchise thousands of voters there will be blow back. CO GOP screwed up when they decided to take the vote away from the American people. Cruz suffered and will continue to suffer for the CO GOPe's #NeverTrump errr 'rules' (see above)

He may have won the delegates but that's not going to help him as his image continues to slide, and he gets slaughtered in the NY primary and beyond.

Where did you get the idea that political parties are democracies? Do you really want to have equal say in the Republican party with Democrats who cross over to vote for Trump just to screw Republicans?

You're fine with Americans being denied their vote? Forget its about Trump for a moment. Do you not see how fucked up it is to not allow people to vote? Isn't that what America is all about?

Sorry man, where did I say that?

Answer the question, are you fine with Americans being denied their vote? Simple yes or no

There is no yes or no answer to that question, unfortunately. The question is more complicated than that

 

[kaz]

View attachment 71389​

Despite what the rules say, if you disenfranchise thousands of voters there will be blow back. CO GOP screwed up when they decided to take the vote away from the American people. Cruz suffered and will continue to suffer for the CO GOPe's #NeverTrump errr 'rules' (see above)

He may have won the delegates but that's not going to help him as his image continues to slide, and he gets slaughtered in the NY primary and beyond.

Where did you get the idea that political parties are democracies? Do you really want to have equal say in the Republican party with Democrats who cross over to vote for Trump just to screw Republicans?

You're fine with Americans being denied their vote? Forget its about Trump for a moment. Do you not see how fucked up it is to not allow people to vote? Isn't that what America is all about?

A little late to complain isn't it? The rules were made long ago, and every potential nominee was given a copy well before the date they were implemented. A real businessman would have at least said something before it became a problem, instead of whining after it was too late anyway.

It's never too late to complain about tens of thousands of voters being disenfranchised. Is it whining to point out that every single American (registered voter) should be allowed to cast their vote in America? That's what you call whining? You don't care if American's were denied their vote?

Delegates/Super Delegates and the Electoral college were put in to place at a time America did not have instant access to results.
That time has PASSED and so has the need for those three things.

That wasn't the reason for the electoral college. The electoral college was to not make small States irrelevant. It worked, it still does

 

[Weatherman2020]

View attachment 71389​

Despite what the rules say, if you disenfranchise thousands of voters there will be blow back. CO GOP screwed up when they decided to take the vote away from the American people. Cruz suffered and will continue to suffer for the CO GOPe's #NeverTrump errr 'rules' (see above)

He may have won the delegates but that's not going to help him as his image continues to slide, and he gets slaughtered in the NY primary and beyond.

Where did you get the idea that political parties are democracies? Do you really want to have equal say in the Republican party with Democrats who cross over to vote for Trump just to screw Republicans?

You're fine with Americans being denied their vote? Forget its about Trump for a moment. Do you not see how fucked up it is to not allow people to vote? Isn't that what America is all about?

A little late to complain isn't it? The rules were made long ago, and every potential nominee was given a copy well before the date they were implemented. A real businessman would have at least said something before it became a problem, instead of whining after it was too late anyway.

It's never too late to complain about tens of thousands of voters being disenfranchised. Is it whining to point out that every single American (registered voter) should be allowed to cast their vote in America? That's what you call whining? You don't care if American's were denied their vote?

Delegates/Super Delegates and the Electoral college were put in to place at a time America did not have instant access to results.
That time has PASSED and so has the need for those three things.

You really think people would talk about Ohio every election if it was a popular vote system?

 

[kaz]

View attachment 71389​

Despite what the rules say, if you disenfranchise thousands of voters there will be blow back. CO GOP screwed up when they decided to take the vote away from the American people. Cruz suffered and will continue to suffer for the CO GOPe's #NeverTrump errr 'rules' (see above)

He may have won the delegates but that's not going to help him as his image continues to slide, and he gets slaughtered in the NY primary and beyond.

Where did you get the idea that political parties are democracies? Do you really want to have equal say in the Republican party with Democrats who cross over to vote for Trump just to screw Republicans?

You're fine with Americans being denied their vote? Forget its about Trump for a moment. Do you not see how fucked up it is to not allow people to vote? Isn't that what America is all about?

Sorry man, where did I say that?

Answer the question, are you fine with Americans being denied their vote? Simple yes or no

There is no yes or no answer to that question, unfortunately. The question is more complicated than that

Primaries

- As I pointed out, that's a party process, not a general election. In general, my view is that people should vote, but there are serious problems with it, particularly in elections like this one where Trump is getting a lot of crossover vote meant to sabotage the party, not pick the best candidate. I'm not sure for a party either that not having party members also vote is a problem with fairness, it's the party choosing their candidate.

- In general elections, I don't think everyone should be able to vote. I don't agree with Democrats that people should be able to vote multiple times or that the votes of the dead and illegal aliens should count. I also don't think convicted felons should vote and I don't think anyone getting checks of other people's money to live when it's not to work (welfare, social security, ...) should vote while they are living on other people's money. It's a direct conflict of interest. What I give to others should be my choice, and it certainly should not be the choice of the person taking the money

 

[DarkFury]

Where did you get the idea that political parties are democracies? Do you really want to have equal say in the Republican party with Democrats who cross over to vote for Trump just to screw Republicans?

You're fine with Americans being denied their vote? Forget its about Trump for a moment. Do you not see how fucked up it is to not allow people to vote? Isn't that what America is all about?

A little late to complain isn't it? The rules were made long ago, and every potential nominee was given a copy well before the date they were implemented. A real businessman would have at least said something before it became a problem, instead of whining after it was too late anyway.

It's never too late to complain about tens of thousands of voters being disenfranchised. Is it whining to point out that every single American (registered voter) should be allowed to cast their vote in America? That's what you call whining? You don't care if American's were denied their vote?

Delegates/Super Delegates and the Electoral college were put in to place at a time America did not have instant access to results.
That time has PASSED and so has the need for those three things.

You really think people would talk about Ohio every election if it was a popular vote system?

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You're fine with Americans being denied their vote? Forget its about Trump for a moment. Do you not see how fucked up it is to not allow people to vote? Isn't that what America is all about?

A little late to complain isn't it? The rules were made long ago, and every potential nominee was given a copy well before the date they were implemented. A real businessman would have at least said something before it became a problem, instead of whining after it was too late anyway.

It's never too late to complain about tens of thousands of voters being disenfranchised. Is it whining to point out that every single American (registered voter) should be allowed to cast their vote in America? That's what you call whining? You don't care if American's were denied their vote?

Delegates/Super Delegates and the Electoral college were put in to place at a time America did not have instant access to results.
That time has PASSED and so has the need for those three things.

You really think people would talk about Ohio every election if it was a popular vote system?

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

 

[DarkFury]

A little late to complain isn't it? The rules were made long ago, and every potential nominee was given a copy well before the date they were implemented. A real businessman would have at least said something before it became a problem, instead of whining after it was too late anyway.

It's never too late to complain about tens of thousands of voters being disenfranchised. Is it whining to point out that every single American (registered voter) should be allowed to cast their vote in America? That's what you call whining? You don't care if American's were denied their vote?

Delegates/Super Delegates and the Electoral college were put in to place at a time America did not have instant access to results.
That time has PASSED and so has the need for those three things.

You really think people would talk about Ohio every election if it was a popular vote system?

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

Not if you got rid of the primary as well.

 

[Weatherman2020]

It's never too late to complain about tens of thousands of voters being disenfranchised. Is it whining to point out that every single American (registered voter) should be allowed to cast their vote in America? That's what you call whining? You don't care if American's were denied their vote?

Delegates/Super Delegates and the Electoral college were put in to place at a time America did not have instant access to results.
That time has PASSED and so has the need for those three things.

You really think people would talk about Ohio every election if it was a popular vote system?

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

Not if you got rid of the primary as well.

It's simple math. CA and NY have all the voters.

 

[DarkFury]

Delegates/Super Delegates and the Electoral college were put in to place at a time America did not have instant access to results.
That time has PASSED and so has the need for those three things.

You really think people would talk about Ohio every election if it was a popular vote system?

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

Not if you got rid of the primary as well.

It's simple math. CA and NY have all the voters.

A collection of other states could over take them easy.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You really think people would talk about Ohio every election if it was a popular vote system?

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

Not if you got rid of the primary as well.

It's simple math. CA and NY have all the voters.

A collection of other states could over take them easy.

Name the States that could overcome Calif.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You really think people would talk about Ohio every election if it was a popular vote system?

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

Not if you got rid of the primary as well.

It's simple math. CA and NY have all the voters.

A collection of other states could over take them easy.

13 million voted in Calif in 2012. If someone got 8 million of those votes, who's going to even bother with 40 of the other States?

 

[DarkFury]

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

Not if you got rid of the primary as well.

It's simple math. CA and NY have all the voters.

A collection of other states could over take them easy.

Name the States that could overcome Calif.

Texas/Florida/Washington

 

[DarkFury]

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

Not if you got rid of the primary as well.

It's simple math. CA and NY have all the voters.

A collection of other states could over take them easy.

13 million voted in Calif in 2012. If someone got 8 million of those votes, who's going to even bother with 40 of the other States?

There are 320 million people in America. 8 million is not going to do it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

Not if you got rid of the primary as well.

It's simple math. CA and NY have all the voters.

A collection of other states could over take them easy.

Name the States that could overcome Calif.

Texas/Florida/Washington

So a huge majority required just to make up Calif and 46 States ignored.

 

[DarkFury]

Yeah they would because power would go back to the people and the states.

Nope. Candidates would stay in CA and NY and ignore the other 48.

Not if you got rid of the primary as well.

It's simple math. CA and NY have all the voters.

A collection of other states could over take them easy.

13 million voted in Calif in 2012. If someone got 8 million of those votes, who's going to even bother with 40 of the other States?

13 million is less then 1/10 the population. Try again.