Do Black Lives Matter Activists Care About the Facts?

[Publius1787]

Do Black Lives Matter Activists Care About the Facts?

You've heard it before, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot!" It seems that no matter what the outcome, no matter what facts bubble up, BLM activists never change their position on a perceived "injustice" once committed to a cause. They ignored the injuries sustained by George Zimmerman and the testimony of the eye witness. They ignored the evidence in the Michael Brown case which lead to a riot. In every or any case involving a white police officer and a black suspect, it would seem the facts don't matter. Sides are chosen immediately after the incident hits the internet and no matter what the facts demonstrate, BLM seems to continue on with the evil police narrative whether that be the case or not. In fact, studies demonstrate that they are wrong about police brutality on black suspects. So my question is simple: Do BLM Activists Care About the Facts?

The Numbers Are In: Black Lives Matter Is Wrong about Police, by David French, National Review

 

[Elvis Obama]

What really infuriated me about these cases was how the media instantly started showing pictures of both of these young men as children, thus creating the false impression that children had been gunned down. FWIW, after making a careful study of the available facts in both situations, I came to the conclusion that Michael Brown was a thug and got what he deserved. Trayvon Martin was probably the victim of a vigilante with poor self control.

BLM is a movement without focus, thus far at any rate. Too bad, because there is a need for intelligent, targeted activism, but not for empty disruptive tactics, designed to bring attention to the individuals who are protesting, rather than to draw attention to specific issues.

 

[MACAULAY]

In 1906, W.E.B. Du Bois, a great Black educator and social activist, said:

"Blacks are going to have to realize that white people are not the cause of everything that goes wrong in their lives."

Du Bois...and America, too....are still waiting.

 

[Publius1787]

What really infuriated me about these cases was how the media instantly started showing pictures of both of these young men as children, thus creating the false impression that children had been gunned down. FWIW, after making a careful study of the available facts in both situations, I came to the conclusion that Michael Brown was a thug and got what he deserved. Trayvon Martin was probably the victim of a vigilante with poor self control.

BLM is a movement without focus, thus far at any rate. Too bad, because there is a need for intelligent, targeted activism, but not for empty disruptive tactics, designed to bring attention to the individuals who are protesting, rather than to draw attention to specific issues.

National medial has become so intent on not running stories of black violence that the vacuum is being filled by blogs that link to local news stories. DailyKenn.com

 

[Picaro]

Do Black Lives Matter Activists Care About the Facts?

No. They aren't being paid for that, they're being paid to get low information voters fired up and into the voting booths for Democrats.

Why would they care about facts? That's a silly question.

 

[MaryL]

Blacks kill each other in far larger numbers than racist whites or bad cops. Black lives mater seems to be deaf to their own message, just preachy to whites and it make them seem a mockery to their own cause.

 

[Publius1787]

Blacks kill each other in far larger numbers than racist whites or bad cops. Black lives mater seems to be deaf to their own message, just preachy to whites and it make them seem a mockery to their own cause.

They even dominate in interracial crime. It would seem that the grievance is the other way around.

Interracial Rape Statistics (Note: The Bureau of Justice Statistics stopped publishing its table on interracial crime after 2008) http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf

6 Years of Black on White Rape Statistics 6 Years of Black on White Rape Statistics: A Trend Seems to be Developing

Year 2003 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black:0
Black on White: 20,309
Black on Black: 21,104

Year 2004 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 11,610
Black on Black: 35,330

Year 2005 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black : 0
Black on White: 37,460
Black on Black: 36, 620

Year 2006 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 32, 443
Black on Black: 7,705

Year 2007 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 14,092
Black on Black: 12,780

Year 2008 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 19,292
Black on Black: 34,841

Total over six conservative years:

White on Black: 0
Black on White: 135,206
Black on Black: 148,380

Average over six consecutive years:
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 22,534
Black on Black: 24,730

 

[Publius1787]

Blacks kill each other in far larger numbers than racist whites or bad cops. Black lives mater seems to be deaf to their own message, just preachy to whites and it make them seem a mockery to their own cause.

The Data makes a mockery of their cause.

Murder Arrests by Race in 2014 (2015 data not complete)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

Whites and Hispanic-Whites were arrested in 31.4% of all 2014 murder cases despite making up 63.7% of the U.S. population. Blacks were arrested in 37.2% of all 2014 murders despite making up only 12.2% of the U.S. population. Of all arrests where someone was charged with murder, Whites/Hispanic Whites were arrested at a rate of 44.7% despite making up 72.4% of the U.S. population and Blacks were arrested at a rate of 53% despite making up only 12.2%of the U.S. population.

(Note: Since the FBI’s 2014 Uniform Crime Reporting counts Hispanic or Latino in the White offender category we cannot truly ascertain how many Whites & Non-Hispanic Whites were arrested for murders)

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The Color of Crime 2016 revised edition

• The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible. Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.

• There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.

• In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.

• In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.

• In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.

• If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.

• In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

• In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.

• In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.

• Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity.

 

[MaryL]

Blacks lead in crime rates? I am shocked! Too bad they aren't leading in CSAT scores.

 

[Picaro]

Interracial Rape Statistics (Note: The Bureau of Justice Statistics stopped publishing its table on interracial crime after 2008)

What a surprise! lol ...

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Do Black Lives Matter Activists Care About the Facts?

You've heard it before, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot!" It seems that no matter what the outcome, no matter what facts bubble up, BLM activists never change their position on a perceived "injustice" once committed to a cause. They ignored the injuries sustained by George Zimmerman and the testimony of the eye witness. They ignored the evidence in the Michael Brown case which lead to a riot. In every or any case involving a white police officer and a black suspect, it would seem the facts don't matter. Sides are chosen immediately after the incident hits the internet and no matter what the facts demonstrate, BLM seems to continue on with the evil police narrative whether that be the case or not. In fact, studies demonstrate that they are wrong about police brutality on black suspects. So my question is simple: Do BLM Activists Care About the Facts?

The Numbers Are In: Black Lives Matter Is Wrong about Police, by David French, National Review

Are you assuming they accept those as fact? Do you know what they see as facts?

 

[Publius1787]

Interracial Rape Statistics (Note: The Bureau of Justice Statistics stopped publishing its table on interracial crime after 2008)

What a surprise! lol ...

Yeah, the DOJ lead by Eric Holder thought that the fact that whites raped blacks at a rate of 0% that it would give in the stereotype of a black on white rape epidemic. Well ....... ........ if that's what the data shows. Democrats for a long time have been trying to get rid of racial reporting requirements for the FBI Uniform Crime Report and the National Victimization Survey. The Congressional Black Caucus is leading the effort. Today, Canada doesn't track crimes by race after they made the determination that the data perpetuates stereotypes. Question: If the data demonstrates a reliable and constant trend year after year, do the assumptions in the data cease to become stereotypes?

There is, however, a major flaw in the FBI data. Hispanics and Latinos are counted as "Hispanic" or "Latino" in the victim category. However, they are counted as "White" in the perpetrator category. So when a Hispanic murders another Hispanic the data demonstrates a White on Hispanic crime. Go figure.

 

[mudwhistle]

What really infuriated me about these cases was how the media instantly started showing pictures of both of these young men as children, thus creating the false impression that children had been gunned down. FWIW, after making a careful study of the available facts in both situations, I came to the conclusion that Michael Brown was a thug and got what he deserved. Trayvon Martin was probably the victim of a vigilante with poor self control.

BLM is a movement without focus, thus far at any rate. Too bad, because there is a need for intelligent, targeted activism, but not for empty disruptive tactics, designed to bring attention to the individuals who are protesting, rather than to draw attention to specific issues.

Even Fox News doesn't care to show the perps when they're black......only the effects that gun violence has on the victim and victims' family. Will Smith getting gunned down was a prime example. The gun did it, not the evil punk that pulled the trigger.

 

[MaryL]

Exaggerating racism, underplaying black on black crime. Sickening. To who's advantage is this? Why play these games with the truth? Black lives mater. Yes, they do. Why are blacks slaughtering each other, then? Hmm. Begs the question.

 

[Publius1787]

Do Black Lives Matter Activists Care About the Facts?

You've heard it before, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot!" It seems that no matter what the outcome, no matter what facts bubble up, BLM activists never change their position on a perceived "injustice" once committed to a cause. They ignored the injuries sustained by George Zimmerman and the testimony of the eye witness. They ignored the evidence in the Michael Brown case which lead to a riot. In every or any case involving a white police officer and a black suspect, it would seem the facts don't matter. Sides are chosen immediately after the incident hits the internet and no matter what the facts demonstrate, BLM seems to continue on with the evil police narrative whether that be the case or not. In fact, studies demonstrate that they are wrong about police brutality on black suspects. So my question is simple: Do BLM Activists Care About the Facts?

The Numbers Are In: Black Lives Matter Is Wrong about Police, by David French, National Review

Are you assuming they accept those as fact? Do you know what they see as facts?

It's quite easy to see what's on their minds, what they're thinking, and how they're portraying events of perceived "injustice." They don't exactly try to hide it. They're on the news, on Facebook, they have their own website, they grant interviews, and have their own twitter account. Moreover, well over a year after Michael Brown they're still saying "Hands up, don't shoot," despite no substantiating evidence that was the case. I think we know they're playing fast and loose with the facts.

Black Lives Matter Freedom & Justice for all Black Lives
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Black Lives Matter

 

[JQPublic1]

In 1906, W.E.B. Du Bois, a great Black educator and social activist, said:

"Blacks are going to have to realize that white people are not the cause of everything that goes wrong in their lives."

Du Bois...and America, too....are still waiting.

Of course that statement has a modicum of truth...Blacks like Clarence Thomas and Ward Connerly play a major part in some things that go wrong in Black's lives.

 

[Elvis Obama]

Blacks kill each other in far larger numbers than racist whites or bad cops. Black lives mater seems to be deaf to their own message, just preachy to whites and it make them seem a mockery to their own cause.

The Data makes a mockery of their cause.

Murder Arrests by Race in 2014 (2015 data not complete)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

Whites and Hispanic-Whites were arrested in 31.4% of all 2014 murder cases despite making up 63.7% of the U.S. population. Blacks were arrested in 37.2% of all 2014 murders despite making up only 12.2% of the U.S. population. Of all arrests where someone was charged with murder, Whites/Hispanic Whites were arrested at a rate of 44.7% despite making up 72.4% of the U.S. population and Blacks were arrested at a rate of 53% despite making up only 12.2%of the U.S. population.

(Note: Since the FBI’s 2014 Uniform Crime Reporting counts Hispanic or Latino in the White offender category we cannot truly ascertain how many Whites & Non-Hispanic Whites were arrested for murders)

----------------------------------
The Color of Crime 2016 revised edition

• The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible. Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.

• There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.

• In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.

• In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.

• In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.

• If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.

• In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

• In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.

• In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.

• Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity.

The abandonment, by black leadership, of policies which preached empowerment and the switch to policies which emphasize victimization and entitlement seem bizarre and self-defeating to me. I don't find it surprising, though. We started at a post-slavery unemployment rate hovering at about 100%, and now it's about 25%. Still too high, but it shows that improvement is always possible. It's gotten harder, though. The 25% are the hard-core poor. The ones who didn't have the resources available to the Thurgood Marshall's of the old South, who were raised in segregation and fought their way out. Now these inner city neighborhoods are filled with the people who couldn't get out. Put enough of them in any public school and that public school will fail. The permanent underclass.

They are our problem. They are very expensive. We can't ship them to Liberia and we can't kill them. They've got to be trained from birth to become good citizens of a service based economy if we want to break the cycle of poverty, and their poverty is something we all pay for one way or another.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Interracial Rape Statistics (Note: The Bureau of Justice Statistics stopped publishing its table on interracial crime after 2008)

What a surprise! lol ...

Yeah, the DOJ lead by Eric Holder thought that the fact that whites raped blacks at a rate of 0% that it would give in the stereotype of a black on white rape epidemic. Well ....... ........ if that's what the data shows. Democrats for a long time have been trying to get rid of racial reporting requirements for the FBI Uniform Crime Report and the National Victimization Survey. The Congressional Black Caucus is leading the effort. Today, Canada doesn't track crimes by race after they made the determination that the data perpetuates stereotypes. Question: If the data demonstrates a reliable and constant trend year after year, do the assumptions in the data cease to become stereotypes?

There is, however, a major flaw in the FBI data. Hispanics and Latinos are counted as "Hispanic" or "Latino" in the victim category. However, they are counted as "White" in the perpetrator category. So when a Hispanic murders another Hispanic the data demonstrates a White on Hispanic crime. Go figure.

So do you count Holder as a BLMer?

If the data is accepted by most or all involved, then I would have to conclude that the data would not be classified as a stereotype, but as a fact.

Some chickens produce eggs but not all produce eggs. Most people would answer the question "where do eggs come from?" With "chickens."
That doesn't seem like stereotyping chickens.

 

[JQPublic1]

Blacks kill each other in far larger numbers than racist whites or bad cops. Black lives mater seems to be deaf to their own message, just preachy to whites and it make them seem a mockery to their own cause.

The Data makes a mockery of their cause.

Murder Arrests by Race in 2014 (2015 data not complete)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

Whites and Hispanic-Whites were arrested in 31.4% of all 2014 murder cases despite making up 63.7% of the U.S. population. Blacks were arrested in 37.2% of all 2014 murders despite making up only 12.2% of the U.S. population. Of all arrests where someone was charged with murder, Whites/Hispanic Whites were arrested at a rate of 44.7% despite making up 72.4% of the U.S. population and Blacks were arrested at a rate of 53% despite making up only 12.2%of the U.S. population.

(Note: Since the FBI’s 2014 Uniform Crime Reporting counts Hispanic or Latino in the White offender category we cannot truly ascertain how many Whites & Non-Hispanic Whites were arrested for murders)

----------------------------------
The Color of Crime 2016 revised edition

• The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible. Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.

• There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.

• In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.

• In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.

• In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.

• If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.

• In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

• In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.

• In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.

• Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity.

Don't believe the HYPE: Compare the FBI Crime report to the above BS:

 

[Publius1787]

Blacks kill each other in far larger numbers than racist whites or bad cops. Black lives mater seems to be deaf to their own message, just preachy to whites and it make them seem a mockery to their own cause.

The Data makes a mockery of their cause.

Murder Arrests by Race in 2014 (2015 data not complete)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

Whites and Hispanic-Whites were arrested in 31.4% of all 2014 murder cases despite making up 63.7% of the U.S. population. Blacks were arrested in 37.2% of all 2014 murders despite making up only 12.2% of the U.S. population. Of all arrests where someone was charged with murder, Whites/Hispanic Whites were arrested at a rate of 44.7% despite making up 72.4% of the U.S. population and Blacks were arrested at a rate of 53% despite making up only 12.2%of the U.S. population.

(Note: Since the FBI’s 2014 Uniform Crime Reporting counts Hispanic or Latino in the White offender category we cannot truly ascertain how many Whites & Non-Hispanic Whites were arrested for murders)

----------------------------------
The Color of Crime 2016 revised edition

• The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible. Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.

• There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.

• In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.

• In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.

• In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.

• If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.

• In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

• In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.

• In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.

• Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity.

The abandonment, by black leadership, of policies which preached empowerment and the switch to policies which emphasize victimization and entitlement seem bizarre and self-defeating to me. I don't find it surprising, though. We started at a post-slavery unemployment rate hovering at about 100%, and now it's about 25%. Still too high, but it shows that improvement is always possible. It's gotten harder, though. The 25% are the hard-core poor. The ones who didn't have the resources available to the Thurgood Marshall's of the old South, who were raised in segregation and fought their way out. Now these inner city neighborhoods are filled with the people who couldn't get out. Put enough of them in any public school and that public school will fail. The permanent underclass.

They are our problem. They are very expensive. We can't ship them to Liberia and we can't kill them. They've got to be trained from birth to become good citizens of a service based economy if we want to break the cycle of poverty, and their poverty is something we all pay for one way or another.

Yeah, but how to you pay for single motherhood? Ask them politely to stop?

Out of Wedlock Birth Rates by Race in 2014 (2015 data not yet complete)
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr62/nvsr62_03.pdf
Births to Unmarried Women

Whites: 2.9 out of 10 White children were born to a single mother in 2014.
Blacks: 7 out of 10 Black children were born to a single mother in 2014.
Hispanic: 5.29 out of 10 Hispanic children were born to a single mother in 2014.

2015 Welfare Demographics

Welfare Statistics – Statistic Brain
Whites made up 38.8 % of those on welfare in 2015 despite making up 63.7% of the U.S. population
Blacks made up 39.8 % of those on welfare in 2015 despite making up 12.2% of the U.S. population
Hispanics made up 15.7 % of those on welfare in 2015 despite making up 16.3% of the U.S. population
Asians made up 2.4% of those on welfare in 2015 despite making up 4.7% of the U.S. population