Do gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

[talksalot]

Proof you can’t be ‘born gay’

Homosexuality is prevalent throughout nature. Did all the other animals choose to be gay? Or is it just humans who can do that?

There are no gay animals. Only human beings are homosexual.

 

[ding]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV / 346 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Notice how Jesus refers to men who practice homosexuality- but only men? Everything else in that quote is gender neutral- only when it comes to homosexuality does Jesus specify that it is a sin for men- a sin like adultery- or greed- or drunkeness.

I don't recall Jesus being quoted outside of the Gospels. Am I missing something? Are you confusing Paul with Jesus?

Yes I was as a matter of fact- I know Corinthians is Paul's letter's- so let me revise this for accuracy

Notice how Paul refers to men who practice homosexuality- but only men? Everything else in that quote is gender neutral- only when it comes to homosexuality does Paul specify that it is a sin for men- a sin like adultery- or greed- or drunkeness.

Ok, that's what I thought, but is always better to ask. I don't think that really matters. I was going to tell you where to look to help your cause but given the tone of some of your posts... fuck it.

My God Ding broke USMB with his Primer post- LOL

Really? This is a tiny excerpt of the New England Primer that was used in ALL schools for ALL American Children. Do I need to post the rest?

THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER

Why do you think it was used in ALL schools for All American children? (which of course it wasn't-

More to the point though- why do you think that this primer refutes my point that much of American thinking was based upon the pagan philosophies of Democracies of Rome and Greece?

Classical works in Greek and Latin were a large part of most libraries at the time. Students leaned Latin and Greek so that they could read the classic literature that was considered an essential part of any educated persons learning.

The Academy curriculum in the 18th century, University of Pennsylvania University Archives

Did I do a no no? Opps. What rule did I break? I promise I won't do it again.

My point was that this is the book that was used for schooling all American children back when our nation was founded. Sure they learned Latin and Greek? So what? They were schooled on Christian values as part of their everyday school work.

But if that is not enough proof maybe you will accept witness testimony:

One Nation Under God: Alexis de Tocqueville

Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America
Upon my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this new state of things. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions. But in America I found they were intimately united and that they reigned in common over the same country. Religion in America...must be regarded as the foremost of the political institutions of that country; for if it does not impart a taste for freedom, it facilitates the use of it. Indeed, it is in this same point of view that the inhabitants of the United States themselves look upon religious belief. I do not know whether all Americans have a sincere faith in their religion -- for who can search the human heart? But I am certain that they hold it to be indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions. This opinion is not peculiar to a class of citizens or a party, but it belongs to the whole nation and to every rank of society. In the United States, the sovereign authority is religious...there is no country in the world where the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility and of its conformity to human nature than that its influence is powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth. In the United States, the influence of religion is not confined to the manners, but it extends to the intelligence of the people...

Christianity, therefore, reigns without obstacle, by universal consent...

I sought for the key to the greatness and genius of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great. The safeguard of morality is religion, and morality is the best security of law as well as the surest pledge of freedom. The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other Christianity is the companion of liberty in all its conflicts -- the cradle of its infancy, and the divine source of its claims.

 

[talksalot]

On a slightly more serious note.

Do you realize the double standard here?

Christians persecuted homosexuals for centuries. Even today, many Christians churches condemn homosexuality.

The animosity started with the Christians towards the gays. Now that gays are not in the closet and not so easily persecuted, some Christians feel persecuted because some gay Americans act towards Christians as Christians have acted towards gays for decades.

It is rather ironic.

Christians are simply following the Bible's teachings. The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord.

Nope. The Bible says that sex between men is an abomination. Doesn't say a thing about homosexuality. Doesnt' say a thing about women having sex with women.

Wrong: It wouldn't make sense to male/male sex is wrong but not female/female sex.
Answer: Some are under the assumption that, while the Bible condemns gay sex between men, it nowhere condemns being a lesbian/lesbianism. Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 mention men having sex with other men, but say nothing of women having sex with other women. In the Sodom and Gomorrah account in Genesis 19, the men of the cities wanted to gang rape other men. First Corinthians 6:9 mentions effeminate men, very likely referring to homosexuals, but does not mention lesbians. So, does the Bible in fact condemn male homosexuality, but not lesbianism?

Romans 1:26-27 puts this invalid assumption to rest: “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts.Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” Clearly, this passage puts lesbianism on equal ground with male homosexuality. Lesbianism is described as women exchanging natural relations (with men) for unnatural relations (with women). According to the Bible, being a lesbian is just as sinful as being a homosexual male.

Of course practicing lesbianism is a sine but good luck getting Seriously to see that truth. I've already tried but she refuses to accept the plain truth of the Bible as do most folks who wish to continue in their sinful lifestyle choices.

LOL- faux Christians like you can't even get my gender right- let alone manage to quote the Bible.

"lesbianism' is not a sin according to the Bible- which is why it isn't mentioned as such anywhere in the Bible- not by Jesus- not in the 10 Commandments- nowhere in the Old Testament- not even by Paul- the prude who didn't care much for women.

Now according to the Bible anyone who has sex outside of marriage- along with anyone who divorces and remarries(unless the wife- and only the wife- has cheated)- is a sinner because they are engaging in adultery/fornication.

But not because it is a woman with a woman.

Two women having sex is no more of a sin in the Bible than Donald Trump having sex with his third wife.

That quote does mention women specifically. It says "EVEN their women...." I don't understand how you could arrive at the conclusion that only men are forbidden to have sex with men and women are allowed to have sex with women.

God intended for marriage to be a life-long bond between one woman and one man. The ease and acceptance of divorce has been incredibly detrimental to the family and society.....so is adultery, fornication, homosexuality and especially what was called "the gay lifestyle."

Gay men are trying out monogamy because of HIV, but as soon as a vaccine or cure is developed, monogamy and same-sex marriages between gay men will probably be abandoned. There will always be some lesbian couples who want to "marry," but many don't really have a burning desire for a permanent mate. "Same-sex marriage" is mostly a liberal, not gay concept.

Anyone who wants to live a conventional life should marry someone of the opposite sex, have children in the natural way, raise them in love and be faithful to each other as God intended. If that's not for you.....it's your decision, but trying to force society to accept the convoluted terms involved in "gay marriage and family" is always going to meet resistance, from Christians and others because it's just wrong.

 

[ding]

No..... Just kidding. Yeah, I know. It seems that the more liberal they are the more militant they are.

"It seems"? to whom?

I didn't come up with this on my own. It is nothing new. In fact, it is quite an old observation.

Michail Bakunins sozial-politischer Briefwechsel mit Alexander Ivanovitsch Herzen. Stuttgart, 1895.

G. Le Bon. Psychologie du socialisme. (Quotations refer to Russian translation, Psikhologiia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

S. Frank. "Etika nigilizma" ("The Ethics of Nihilism," in Russian). In: Vekhi (Landmarks), Moscow, 1909.

S. Bulgakov. Pervokhristianstvo i noveishii sotsializm (Early Christianity and Modern Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1911.

S. Bulgakov. Khristianstvo i sotsializm (Christianity and Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1917

W. Gurian. Der Bolschewismus. Freiburg, 1931 giia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

H. Marcuse. Eros and Civilization. A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud. Boston, 1955

I. Shafarevich. The Socialist Phenomeon, 1980 by Harper & Row

And...what does THAT prove?

That militant atheism leads to communism.

LOL

Laugh all you want but it is absolutely true.

 

[ding]

How do you know you were born gay?

Only damned idiots believe somebody chooses to be Gay.

Why is that? Why wouldn't they choose to be gay? Is there something wrong with being gay?

Have you ever known a straight person who chose to be gay?

I had a female co-worker who had a relationship with a woman and they had three children together. She ended up leaving her and marrying a man. So, if it could work that way, I don't see why it couldn't work the other way around. In fact, if we evaluate her situation, one could say that she was never really gay but chose to be gay until she chose not to be gay.

Bi-Sexual. You know that many people are Bi-Sexual....Even you might be if you might the right person of the same gender.

Yeah, I know all about that. She wasn't and still isn't She was monogamous with her wife and she is monogamous with her husband. She made a switch. I doubt she is the only one.

 

[ding]

Okay- have fun with the conversation- remember Ding only wants your contributions to the conversation if you tell him whether you are gay or not......LOL...

Not true. God loves you even if you don't love yourself.

How does that make what I said not true?

remember Ding only wants your contributions to the conversation if you tell him whether you are gay or not......LOL.

Are you saying you are God?

It didn't have anything to do with that. It had to do with how you reacted to me asking about your gender orientation. You are making this way harder and adversarial than it needs to be. Retract the claws. Give it a chance. You can always pop the claws back out later if you need to. Your call.

 

[ding]

dingbat has an axe to grind with gays.

No. I have a problem with militant atheists like yourself. I am trying to figure out if there is a correlation between people like you and homosexuals.

Meanwhile we are trying to figure out if there is a correlation between militant Christians like you and the prejudice and abuse of homosexuals your kind have advocated for centuries.

I don't really see myself as militant. What do you see about me that makes you believe I am militant? I'm not prejudiced against homosexuals and I have never abused anyone period. I have ever called you a militant atheist? I don't do that until I know beyond a shadow of doubt that they are. For all I know you may well be one, but more than likely I suspect that you aren't but that you stand by silently when you see others doing it. I speak out against Christians all the time. I'm not selective in who I admonish. People that treat me with respect get treated with respect, but I always assume they deserve respect until they have demonstrated beyond a shadow of doubt that they don't. Maybe your threshold is lower than mine, but I suspect if you go back to your very first post you will find that you had prejudged me before we ever conversed. Your call going forward because my patience won't last forever.

 

[Syriusly]

Satan is in the heart and mind of homos.

Yes they hate Christians.

Satan is in the heart and minds of faux Christians.

They ignore what Jesus said- and instead like 007- preach hate- they hate homosexuals and then lie about gays.

Link to where I said I "hate homos."

I'll wait....

Link where all homosexuals hate Christians.

I'll wait.

 

[Syriusly]

Proof you can’t be ‘born gay’

Homosexuality is prevalent throughout nature. Did all the other animals choose to be gay? Or is it just humans who can do that?

There are no gay animals. Only human beings are homosexual.

You really saying this bird is not gay?

 

[007]

Satan is in the heart and mind of homos.

Yes they hate Christians.

Satan is in the heart and minds of faux Christians.

They ignore what Jesus said- and instead like 007- preach hate- they hate homosexuals and then lie about gays.

Link to where I said I "hate homos."

I'll wait....

Link where all homosexuals hate Christians.

I'll wait.

So you can't link to where I said I hate homosexuals?

Lying loser.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

 

[talksalot]

Proof you can’t be ‘born gay’

Homosexuality is prevalent throughout nature. Did all the other animals choose to be gay? Or is it just humans who can do that?

There are no gay animals. Only human beings are homosexual.

You really saying this bird is not gay?

I couldn't open your link, but there are no homosexual animals.

 

[Syriusly]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV / 346 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Notice how Jesus refers to men who practice homosexuality- but only men? Everything else in that quote is gender neutral- only when it comes to homosexuality does Jesus specify that it is a sin for men- a sin like adultery- or greed- or drunkeness.

I don't recall Jesus being quoted outside of the Gospels. Am I missing something? Are you confusing Paul with Jesus?

Yes I was as a matter of fact- I know Corinthians is Paul's letter's- so let me revise this for accuracy

Notice how Paul refers to men who practice homosexuality- but only men? Everything else in that quote is gender neutral- only when it comes to homosexuality does Paul specify that it is a sin for men- a sin like adultery- or greed- or drunkeness.

Ok, that's what I thought, but is always better to ask. I don't think that really matters. I was going to tell you where to look to help your cause but given the tone of some of your posts... fuck it.

My God Ding broke USMB with his Primer post- LOL

Really? This is a tiny excerpt of the New England Primer that was used in ALL schools for ALL American Children. Do I need to post the rest?

THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER

Why do you think it was used in ALL schools for All American children? (which of course it wasn't-

More to the point though- why do you think that this primer refutes my point that much of American thinking was based upon the pagan philosophies of Democracies of Rome and Greece?

Classical works in Greek and Latin were a large part of most libraries at the time. Students leaned Latin and Greek so that they could read the classic literature that was considered an essential part of any educated persons learning.

The Academy curriculum in the 18th century, University of Pennsylvania University Archives

Did I do a no no? Opps. What rule did I break? I promise I won't do it again.

My point was that this is the book that was used for schooling all American children back when our nation was founded. Sure they learned Latin and Greek? So what? They were schooled on Christian values as part of their everyday school work..

Most children were schooled on 'Christian values'- and by 'Christian values' that meant the Puritan values of the Northern Protestants.

But not Jewish or Catholic Children.

The United States certainly was founded with a great deal of input from Christianity- and even more from pagan Rome and Greece.

Look at the proposal that Thomas Jefferson put forth on education

Every family in the district would be entitled to send their children to the school for three years, free of charge.[13][16] A family could continue sending a child after three years, but the family would have to pay for it.

These schools would teach "reading, writing, and arithmetic"; the "general notions of geography";[17] as well as Grecian, Roman, European and American history. It was important that all children learn history because "apprising them of the past will enable them to judge of the future." According to Jefferson, "the principal foundations of future order will be laid here" and "the first elements of morality too may be instilled into [the children's] minds".


Jefferson opposed providing children in these schools religious texts, since he believed the children would be "at an age when their judgments are not sufficiently matured for religious enquiries". However, he was in favor of showing the children that happiness "does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed them, but is always the result of a good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits."

Notice Jefferson doesn't mention teaching Jesus to children- but they did need to learn Greek and Roman history.

In middle school they would learn Greek and Latin- so they could study Homer and Tacitus.

I am not saying that Christianity was not prevalent in new United States- but it was not the only influence- and when it came to the foundation of our Country- the U.S. Constitution- it was a minor influence.

 

[Syriusly]

Satan is in the heart and mind of homos.

Yes they hate Christians.

Satan is in the heart and minds of faux Christians.

They ignore what Jesus said- and instead like 007- preach hate- they hate homosexuals and then lie about gays.

Link to where I said I "hate homos."

I'll wait....

Link where all homosexuals hate Christians.

I'll wait.

So you can't link to where I said I hate homosexuals?

Lying loser.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Lying loser.

Link where all homosexuals hate Christians.

 

[ding]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV / 346 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Notice how Jesus refers to men who practice homosexuality- but only men? Everything else in that quote is gender neutral- only when it comes to homosexuality does Jesus specify that it is a sin for men- a sin like adultery- or greed- or drunkeness.

I don't recall Jesus being quoted outside of the Gospels. Am I missing something? Are you confusing Paul with Jesus?

Yes I was as a matter of fact- I know Corinthians is Paul's letter's- so let me revise this for accuracy

Notice how Paul refers to men who practice homosexuality- but only men? Everything else in that quote is gender neutral- only when it comes to homosexuality does Paul specify that it is a sin for men- a sin like adultery- or greed- or drunkeness.

Ok, that's what I thought, but is always better to ask. I don't think that really matters. I was going to tell you where to look to help your cause but given the tone of some of your posts... fuck it.

My God Ding broke USMB with his Primer post- LOL

Really? This is a tiny excerpt of the New England Primer that was used in ALL schools for ALL American Children. Do I need to post the rest?

THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER

Why do you think it was used in ALL schools for All American children? (which of course it wasn't-

More to the point though- why do you think that this primer refutes my point that much of American thinking was based upon the pagan philosophies of Democracies of Rome and Greece?

Classical works in Greek and Latin were a large part of most libraries at the time. Students leaned Latin and Greek so that they could read the classic literature that was considered an essential part of any educated persons learning.

The Academy curriculum in the 18th century, University of Pennsylvania University Archives

Did I do a no no? Opps. What rule did I break? I promise I won't do it again.

My point was that this is the book that was used for schooling all American children back when our nation was founded. Sure they learned Latin and Greek? So what? They were schooled on Christian values as part of their everyday school work..

Most children were schooled on 'Christian values'- and by 'Christian values' that meant the Puritan values of the Northern Protestants.

But not Jewish or Catholic Children.

The United States certainly was founded with a great deal of input from Christianity- and even more from pagan Rome and Greece.

Look at the proposal that Thomas Jefferson put forth on education

Every family in the district would be entitled to send their children to the school for three years, free of charge.[13][16] A family could continue sending a child after three years, but the family would have to pay for it.

These schools would teach "reading, writing, and arithmetic"; the "general notions of geography";[17] as well as Grecian, Roman, European and American history. It was important that all children learn history because "apprising them of the past will enable them to judge of the future." According to Jefferson, "the principal foundations of future order will be laid here" and "the first elements of morality too may be instilled into [the children's] minds".


Jefferson opposed providing children in these schools religious texts, since he believed the children would be "at an age when their judgments are not sufficiently matured for religious enquiries". However, he was in favor of showing the children that happiness "does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed them, but is always the result of a good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits."

Notice Jefferson doesn't mention teaching Jesus to children- but they did need to learn Greek and Roman history.

In middle school they would learn Greek and Latin- so they could study Homer and Tacitus.

I am not saying that Christianity was not prevalent in new United States- but it was not the only influence- and when it came to the foundation of our Country- the U.S. Constitution- it was a minor influence.

What about Alexis de Tocqueville observations that were recorded in his book, Democracy in America, a book that was used for quite some time at most universities in their polisci courses, what did you think about that? I noticed you edited that out of your reply. Why?

 

[Syriusly]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV / 346 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Notice how Jesus refers to men who practice homosexuality- but only men? Everything else in that quote is gender neutral- only when it comes to homosexuality does Jesus specify that it is a sin for men- a sin like adultery- or greed- or drunkeness.

I don't recall Jesus being quoted outside of the Gospels. Am I missing something? Are you confusing Paul with Jesus?

Yes I was as a matter of fact- I know Corinthians is Paul's letter's- so let me revise this for accuracy

Notice how Paul refers to men who practice homosexuality- but only men? Everything else in that quote is gender neutral- only when it comes to homosexuality does Paul specify that it is a sin for men- a sin like adultery- or greed- or drunkeness.

Ok, that's what I thought, but is always better to ask. I don't think that really matters. I was going to tell you where to look to help your cause but given the tone of some of your posts... fuck it.

My God Ding broke USMB with his Primer post- LOL

Really? This is a tiny excerpt of the New England Primer that was used in ALL schools for ALL American Children. Do I need to post the rest?

THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER

Why do you think it was used in ALL schools for All American children? (which of course it wasn't-

More to the point though- why do you think that this primer refutes my point that much of American thinking was based upon the pagan philosophies of Democracies of Rome and Greece?

Classical works in Greek and Latin were a large part of most libraries at the time. Students leaned Latin and Greek so that they could read the classic literature that was considered an essential part of any educated persons learning.

The Academy curriculum in the 18th century, University of Pennsylvania University Archives

Did I do a no no? Opps. What rule did I break? I promise I won't do it again.

My point was that this is the book that was used for schooling all American children back when our nation was founded. Sure they learned Latin and Greek? So what? They were schooled on Christian values as part of their everyday school work..

Most children were schooled on 'Christian values'- and by 'Christian values' that meant the Puritan values of the Northern Protestants.

But not Jewish or Catholic Children.

The United States certainly was founded with a great deal of input from Christianity- and even more from pagan Rome and Greece.

Look at the proposal that Thomas Jefferson put forth on education

Every family in the district would be entitled to send their children to the school for three years, free of charge.[13][16] A family could continue sending a child after three years, but the family would have to pay for it.

These schools would teach "reading, writing, and arithmetic"; the "general notions of geography";[17] as well as Grecian, Roman, European and American history. It was important that all children learn history because "apprising them of the past will enable them to judge of the future." According to Jefferson, "the principal foundations of future order will be laid here" and "the first elements of morality too may be instilled into [the children's] minds".


Jefferson opposed providing children in these schools religious texts, since he believed the children would be "at an age when their judgments are not sufficiently matured for religious enquiries". However, he was in favor of showing the children that happiness "does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed them, but is always the result of a good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits."

Notice Jefferson doesn't mention teaching Jesus to children- but they did need to learn Greek and Roman history.

In middle school they would learn Greek and Latin- so they could study Homer and Tacitus.

I am not saying that Christianity was not prevalent in new United States- but it was not the only influence- and when it came to the foundation of our Country- the U.S. Constitution- it was a minor influence.

What about Alexis de Tocqueville observations that were recorded in his book, Democracy in America, a book that was used for quite some time at most universities in their polisci courses, what did you think about that? I noticed you edited that out of your reply. Why?

I think Alexis de Tocqueville made great observations on America.

And none of them takes away from my central contention- that America was founded on more than just Christian values- it was greatly influenced by pagan Roman and Greek values.

 

[Syriusly]

Proof you can’t be ‘born gay’

Homosexuality is prevalent throughout nature. Did all the other animals choose to be gay? Or is it just humans who can do that?

There are no gay animals. Only human beings are homosexual.

You really saying this bird is not gay?

I couldn't open your link, but there are no homosexual animals.

Not a link- a photo

 

[Syriusly]

Satan is in the heart and mind of homos.

Yes they hate Christians.

Satan is in the heart and minds of faux Christians.

They ignore what Jesus said- and instead like 007- preach hate- they hate homosexuals and then lie about gays.

Link to where I said I "hate homos."

I'll wait....

Link where all homosexuals hate Christians.

I'll wait.

So you can't link to where I said I hate homosexuals?

Lying loser.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

And you can't provide the link that says that all homosexuals hate Christians- as you lied.

I have yet to see you post anything resembling love at USMB.

 

[Syriusly]

dingbat has an axe to grind with gays.

No. I have a problem with militant atheists like yourself. I am trying to figure out if there is a correlation between people like you and homosexuals.

Meanwhile we are trying to figure out if there is a correlation between militant Christians like you and the prejudice and abuse of homosexuals your kind have advocated for centuries.

I don't really see myself as militant. What do you see about me that makes you believe I am militant? I'm not prejudiced against homosexuals and I have never abused anyone period. I have ever called you a militant atheist? I don't do that until I know beyond a shadow of doubt that they are. .

And how do you know- and judge that?

Why do I think you are a militant Christian?

Because you seem to think that gay Americans have an axe to grind with Christian Americans.

And you haven't turned that around to ask whether Christian Americans have an axe to grind with homosexuals.

 

[ding]

I don't recall Jesus being quoted outside of the Gospels. Am I missing something? Are you confusing Paul with Jesus?

Yes I was as a matter of fact- I know Corinthians is Paul's letter's- so let me revise this for accuracy

Notice how Paul refers to men who practice homosexuality- but only men? Everything else in that quote is gender neutral- only when it comes to homosexuality does Paul specify that it is a sin for men- a sin like adultery- or greed- or drunkeness.

Ok, that's what I thought, but is always better to ask. I don't think that really matters. I was going to tell you where to look to help your cause but given the tone of some of your posts... fuck it.

My God Ding broke USMB with his Primer post- LOL

Really? This is a tiny excerpt of the New England Primer that was used in ALL schools for ALL American Children. Do I need to post the rest?

THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER

Why do you think it was used in ALL schools for All American children? (which of course it wasn't-

More to the point though- why do you think that this primer refutes my point that much of American thinking was based upon the pagan philosophies of Democracies of Rome and Greece?

Classical works in Greek and Latin were a large part of most libraries at the time. Students leaned Latin and Greek so that they could read the classic literature that was considered an essential part of any educated persons learning.

The Academy curriculum in the 18th century, University of Pennsylvania University Archives

Did I do a no no? Opps. What rule did I break? I promise I won't do it again.

My point was that this is the book that was used for schooling all American children back when our nation was founded. Sure they learned Latin and Greek? So what? They were schooled on Christian values as part of their everyday school work..

Most children were schooled on 'Christian values'- and by 'Christian values' that meant the Puritan values of the Northern Protestants.

But not Jewish or Catholic Children.

The United States certainly was founded with a great deal of input from Christianity- and even more from pagan Rome and Greece.

Look at the proposal that Thomas Jefferson put forth on education

Every family in the district would be entitled to send their children to the school for three years, free of charge.[13][16] A family could continue sending a child after three years, but the family would have to pay for it.

These schools would teach "reading, writing, and arithmetic"; the "general notions of geography";[17] as well as Grecian, Roman, European and American history. It was important that all children learn history because "apprising them of the past will enable them to judge of the future." According to Jefferson, "the principal foundations of future order will be laid here" and "the first elements of morality too may be instilled into [the children's] minds".


Jefferson opposed providing children in these schools religious texts, since he believed the children would be "at an age when their judgments are not sufficiently matured for religious enquiries". However, he was in favor of showing the children that happiness "does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed them, but is always the result of a good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits."

Notice Jefferson doesn't mention teaching Jesus to children- but they did need to learn Greek and Roman history.

In middle school they would learn Greek and Latin- so they could study Homer and Tacitus.

I am not saying that Christianity was not prevalent in new United States- but it was not the only influence- and when it came to the foundation of our Country- the U.S. Constitution- it was a minor influence.

What about Alexis de Tocqueville observations that were recorded in his book, Democracy in America, a book that was used for quite some time at most universities in their polisci courses, what did you think about that? I noticed you edited that out of your reply. Why?

I think Alexis de Tocqueville made great observations on America.

And none of them takes away from my central contention- that America was founded on more than just Christian values- it was greatly influenced by pagan Roman and Greek values.

Were there many pagans and Romans in America back then? How exactly did they influence America?

 

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Satan is in the heart and mind of homos.

Yes they hate Christians.

Satan is in the heart and minds of faux Christians.

They ignore what Jesus said- and instead like 007- preach hate- they hate homosexuals and then lie about gays.

Link to where I said I "hate homos."

I'll wait....

Link where all homosexuals hate Christians.

I'll wait.

So you can't link to where I said I hate homosexuals?

Lying loser.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

And you can't provide the link that says that all homosexuals hate Christians- as you lied.

I have yet to see you post anything resembling love at USMB.

You're a failure and a fraud and a liar.

I requested a link from you FIRST and you FAILED, not surprisingly. You want me to defend myself, you do it first because that's how this works, moron.