Do gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

[bodecea]

And yet you have stated, in this thread, that America was founded on Christian values. In this thread. I ask again......such as?

Sure as a passing comment. It seems that you'd like to have an in depth discussion. It would be more appropriate to have that discussion in a thread that was dedicated to it, don't you think?

Link to that thread you have started on that topic.

I'll send you a note when I do. If you can't wait, you can always start a thread explaining how our nation was not founded on Christian values. How's that?

Oh...I said that "our nation was not founded on Christian values"? Where did I say that? I'm simply asking YOU what are those Christian values you claim our country was founded on. I'm sorry to hear they are so hard to simply list. Do you know why that might be?

I see. Was I wrong about your beliefs? Do you believe that our nation was founded on the Christian values of morality and virtue?

Ah....now we are getting somewhere....where is it indicated that morality ONLY comes from Christianity? Where is it indicated that virtue ONLY comes from Christianity? Sounds like these values can be found in any religion....and in the non-religious. What puts the "owned by Christianity" trademark on them?

 

[the_human_being]

Thank you for re-affirming my previous comment. Are you gay?

And once again- why is that important to you?

Respond to my words- not your preconceptions of who I am attracted to.

Are you ashamed to admit it?

Sigh- look you are being a bit of an ass now and tending towards the typical inane arguments of bigots.

Who I am attracted to is irrelevant to this discussion- only bigots think that they need to know the sexuality of a person to interpret the actual words being used.

I have posted my sexuality dozens of times here at USMB- I am very open about it and you are welcome to satisfy your puerile curiousity by searching through my posts.

If you need to know who I am attracted to in order to read my words- that is your moral problem.

If you were very open about it, then you wouldn't be making a big deal out of it. But I'll move on as I know what your answer is even if you won't come out and say it. It is clear that you are biased against Christians and it is clear why. That's all I needed to know.

LOL...yeah and it is clear you are biased against rational Americans and why.

That you need to know someone's sexual preference in order to communicate with them is all about your issues- not anyone else's.

Well, dang! You guys dragged it out of me. I'm totally heterosexual.

 

[ding]

I suggest you spend some time reading the Book of Romans. Women do not get off free as you suppose.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So God punished people by having their women give up their 'natural use'

Where does God say that women have sex with each other is an abomination.

And is it as bad as those who disobey their parents or boast?

Question: Is Donald Trump an abomination to God?

Well, it states the obvious right there in Romans 1:32 that those who do the things listed in the preceding Scriptures are worthy of death so I read those things stated within those verses as being something God doesn't really like.

Is Paul God?

No. Paul was the apostle to the gentiles. He was of the Tribe of Benjamin.

Exactly...he wasn't God...ergo, his letters were not God's word....they were just some guy's letters.

Inspired by the Holy Spirit, written in the words of men, great latitude given.

 

[bodecea]

Your lack of comprehension is alarming. The adulterer is no longer an adulterer once he has been forgiven for past acts of adultery and no longer engages in the act of adultery anymore. The same would apply to you homosexuals. I realize this is third grade level stuff but I can't make it any easier.

Your lack of comprehension is alarming. The adulterer is no longer an adulterer once he has been forgiven for past acts of adultery and no longer engages in the act of adultery anymore. The same would apply to you homosexuals. I realize this is third grade level stuff but I can't make it any easier.

"Homosexual" and "Heterosexual" are terms of sexual orientation- nothing more and nothing less.

A homosexual does not stop being attracted to the same gender even if he has repented, any more than a heterosexual stops being attracted to the opposite gender when he repents his fornication.

I don't know how I can make that any easier for you.

An adulterer is someone who has committed adultery- someone who has commited an act- heterosexual and homosexual is an orientation- and is not dependent on any action.

Well, sin is sin. God cannot abide sin. Sin can be repented of and can be forgiven. Most who argue your way know they are in sin but wish to continue living in that sin and do not wish to repent and change their lifestyle. Many homosexuals are atheists simply because they close their eyes and deny God in order to continue in their sinful lifestyle.

Many heterosexuals are atheists too. That IS allowed, you know.

No..... Just kidding. Yeah, I know. It seems that the more liberal they are the more militant they are.

"It seems"? to whom?

 

[bodecea]

So God punished people by having their women give up their 'natural use'

Where does God say that women have sex with each other is an abomination.

And is it as bad as those who disobey their parents or boast?

Question: Is Donald Trump an abomination to God?

Well, it states the obvious right there in Romans 1:32 that those who do the things listed in the preceding Scriptures are worthy of death so I read those things stated within those verses as being something God doesn't really like.

Is Paul God?

No. Paul was the apostle to the gentiles. He was of the Tribe of Benjamin.

Exactly...he wasn't God...ergo, his letters were not God's word....they were just some guy's letters.

Inspired by the Holy Spirit, written in the words of men, great latitude given.

Who says they were "inspired by the Holy Spirit" Paul?

 

[the_human_being]

You guys have fun. I've got to take my wife out to dinner.

 

[Meriweather]

Ah....now we are getting somewhere....where is it indicated that morality ONLY comes from Christianity? Where is it indicated that virtue ONLY comes from Christianity? Sounds like these values can be found in any religion....and in the non-religious. What puts the "owned by Christianity" trademark on them?

Haven't we all heard the phrase, "Don't put your Christian values on me!" Christians aren't saying morals come from them. Rather, they strive to follow what is moral. Some don't want those morals (upheld by Christians) on them. Hence, "Christian morals."

 

[ding]

Sure as a passing comment. It seems that you'd like to have an in depth discussion. It would be more appropriate to have that discussion in a thread that was dedicated to it, don't you think?

Link to that thread you have started on that topic.

I'll send you a note when I do. If you can't wait, you can always start a thread explaining how our nation was not founded on Christian values. How's that?

Oh...I said that "our nation was not founded on Christian values"? Where did I say that? I'm simply asking YOU what are those Christian values you claim our country was founded on. I'm sorry to hear they are so hard to simply list. Do you know why that might be?

I see. Was I wrong about your beliefs? Do you believe that our nation was founded on the Christian values of morality and virtue?

Ah....now we are getting somewhere....where is it indicated that morality ONLY comes from Christianity? Where is it indicated that virtue ONLY comes from Christianity? Sounds like these values can be found in any religion....and in the non-religious. What puts the "owned by Christianity" trademark on them?

It isn't, but were you aware of many Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Confucius, Taoist in this country back in the 1700's? You ever heard of or read the New England Primer? It was the second best-selling book in the American colonies. The Bible was number one. Five million copies existed in America. There there were only four million people in America in 1776. Check it out and then tell me which values this country was founded upon.

http://www3.nd.edu/~rbarger/www7/neprimer.html

The New England Primer, 1777 edition

The New England Primer - Wikipedia

 

[Syriusly]

Nope. The Bible says that sex between men is an abomination. Doesn't say a thing about homosexuality. Doesnt' say a thing about women having sex with women.

I suggest you spend some time reading the Book of Romans. Women do not get off free as you suppose.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So God punished people by having their women give up their 'natural use'

Where does God say that women have sex with each other is an abomination.

And is it as bad as those who disobey their parents or boast?

Question: Is Donald Trump an abomination to God?

Well, it states the obvious right there in Romans 1:32 that those who do the things listed in the preceding Scriptures are worthy of death so I read those things stated within those verses as being something God doesn't really like.

Ah- so this is just your interpretation.

And the New Testament doesn't actually say anywhere that two women having sex together is an abomination.

Back to my question: Is Donald Trump an abomination to God?

Trump of course has been married three times. As Jesus pointed out,

Mark 10
10 In the house His disciples also asked Him again about the same matter.
11 So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her.
12 "And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery."

Luke 16
18 "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

So Trump commits adultery everytime he has sex with his current wife- according to the Bible Trump is as guilty of sin as any sexually active homosexual.

Well, then be so kind as to offer your own interpretation of the verse then.

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Looks pretty easy to interpret to me but do go ahead and offer your own..

Sure- those who disobey their parents are worthy of death. Along with anyone who is proud or boastful.

Notice the difference between
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Here God is inflicting homosexuality on men as punishment. Punishment for what?
1:25
They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

So God is punishing those who have given up on God

And in 1:29 and 1:30 Paul lists all of the actions that are worthy of death- such as disobeying your parents.

 

[Syriusly]

Link to that thread you have started on that topic.

I'll send you a note when I do. If you can't wait, you can always start a thread explaining how our nation was not founded on Christian values. How's that?

Oh...I said that "our nation was not founded on Christian values"? Where did I say that? I'm simply asking YOU what are those Christian values you claim our country was founded on. I'm sorry to hear they are so hard to simply list. Do you know why that might be?

I see. Was I wrong about your beliefs? Do you believe that our nation was founded on the Christian values of morality and virtue?

Ah....now we are getting somewhere....where is it indicated that morality ONLY comes from Christianity? Where is it indicated that virtue ONLY comes from Christianity? Sounds like these values can be found in any religion....and in the non-religious. What puts the "owned by Christianity" trademark on them?

It isn't, but were you aware of many Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Confucius, Taoist in this country back in the 1700's? You ever heard of or read the New England Primer? It was the second best-selling book in the American colonies. The Bible was number one. Five million copies existed in America. There there were only four million people in America in 1776. Check it out and then tell me which values this country was founded upon.

http://www3.nd.edu/~rbarger/www7/neprimer.html

The New England Primer, 1777 edition

The New England Primer - Wikipedia

America was founded on many values- amongst the most substantial were the values of Democracy from pagan Greece and Rome- and of course there were also contributions from the values of Judaism.

 

[Syriusly]

Okay- have fun with the conversation- remember Ding only wants your contributions to the conversation if you tell him whether you are gay or not......LOL...

 

[ding]

Your lack of comprehension is alarming. The adulterer is no longer an adulterer once he has been forgiven for past acts of adultery and no longer engages in the act of adultery anymore. The same would apply to you homosexuals. I realize this is third grade level stuff but I can't make it any easier.

"Homosexual" and "Heterosexual" are terms of sexual orientation- nothing more and nothing less.

A homosexual does not stop being attracted to the same gender even if he has repented, any more than a heterosexual stops being attracted to the opposite gender when he repents his fornication.

I don't know how I can make that any easier for you.

An adulterer is someone who has committed adultery- someone who has commited an act- heterosexual and homosexual is an orientation- and is not dependent on any action.

Well, sin is sin. God cannot abide sin. Sin can be repented of and can be forgiven. Most who argue your way know they are in sin but wish to continue living in that sin and do not wish to repent and change their lifestyle. Many homosexuals are atheists simply because they close their eyes and deny God in order to continue in their sinful lifestyle.

Many heterosexuals are atheists too. That IS allowed, you know.

No..... Just kidding. Yeah, I know. It seems that the more liberal they are the more militant they are.

"It seems"? to whom?

I didn't come up with this on my own. It is nothing new. In fact, it is quite an old observation.

Michail Bakunins sozial-politischer Briefwechsel mit Alexander Ivanovitsch Herzen. Stuttgart, 1895.

G. Le Bon. Psychologie du socialisme. (Quotations refer to Russian translation, Psikhologiia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

S. Frank. "Etika nigilizma" ("The Ethics of Nihilism," in Russian). In: Vekhi (Landmarks), Moscow, 1909.

S. Bulgakov. Pervokhristianstvo i noveishii sotsializm (Early Christianity and Modern Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1911.

S. Bulgakov. Khristianstvo i sotsializm (Christianity and Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1917

W. Gurian. Der Bolschewismus. Freiburg, 1931 giia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

H. Marcuse. Eros and Civilization. A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud. Boston, 1955

I. Shafarevich. The Socialist Phenomeon, 1980 by Harper & Row

 

[Mudda]

I couldn't help but notice that there is quite a bit of animosity directed at Christians and I was wondering if maybe it was because Christians as a whole oppose gay marriage.

So... Do gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

Why do Christians have an axe to grind with gays? Jesus was likely gay, and the Adam and Eve story is totally gay. So what's up?

 

[ding]

I'll send you a note when I do. If you can't wait, you can always start a thread explaining how our nation was not founded on Christian values. How's that?

Oh...I said that "our nation was not founded on Christian values"? Where did I say that? I'm simply asking YOU what are those Christian values you claim our country was founded on. I'm sorry to hear they are so hard to simply list. Do you know why that might be?

I see. Was I wrong about your beliefs? Do you believe that our nation was founded on the Christian values of morality and virtue?

Ah....now we are getting somewhere....where is it indicated that morality ONLY comes from Christianity? Where is it indicated that virtue ONLY comes from Christianity? Sounds like these values can be found in any religion....and in the non-religious. What puts the "owned by Christianity" trademark on them?

It isn't, but were you aware of many Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Confucius, Taoist in this country back in the 1700's? You ever heard of or read the New England Primer? It was the second best-selling book in the American colonies. The Bible was number one. Five million copies existed in America. There there were only four million people in America in 1776. Check it out and then tell me which values this country was founded upon.

http://www3.nd.edu/~rbarger/www7/neprimer.html

The New England Primer, 1777 edition

The New England Primer - Wikipedia

America was founded on many values- amongst the most substantial were the values of Democracy from pagan Greece and Rome- and of course there were also contributions from the values of Judaism.

Really? This is a tiny excerpt of the New England Primer that was used in ALL schools for ALL American Children. Do I need to post the rest?

THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER

1777 edition

A Divine Song of Praise to GOD, for a Child,

by the Rev. Dr. Watts.
HOW glorious is our heavenly King,
Who reigns above tha Sky!
How shall a Child presume to sing
His dreadful Majesty!
How great his Power is none can tell,
Nor think how large his grace:
Nor men below, nor Saints that dwell,
On high before his Face.
Nor Angels that stand round the Lord,
Can search his secret will;
But they perform his heav'nly Word,
And sing his Praises still.
Then let me join this holy Train;
And my first Off'rings bring;
The eternal GOD will not disdain
To hear an Infant sing.
My Heart resolves, my Tongue obeys,
And Angels shall rejoice,
To hear their mighty Maker's Praise,
Sound from a feeble Voice.
The young INFANT'S or CHILD'S morning Prayer.

From Dr. WATTS.
ALMIGHTY God the Maker of every thing in Heaven and Earth; the Darkness goes away, and the Day light comes at thy Command. Thou art good and doest good continually.

I thank thee that thou has taken such Care of me this Night, and that I am alive and well this Morning.

Save me, O God, from Evil, all this Day long, and let me love and serve thee forever, for the Sake of Jesus Christ thy Son. AMEN.



The INFANT'S or young CHILD'S Evening Prayer.

From Dr. WATTS.
O LORD God who knowest all Things, thou seest me by Night as well as by Day.

I pray thee for Christ's Sake, forgive me whatsoever I have done amiss this Day, and keep me all this Night, while I am asleep.

I desire to lie down under thy Care, and to abide forever under thy Blessing, for thou art a God of all Power and everlasting Mercy. AMEN.



a b c d e f g h i j k l m
n o p q r s t u v
w x y z &.
Vowels.
a e i o u y.
Consonants.
b c d f g h j k l m n p q r s t v w x z
Double Letters.
ct ff fi fl ffi ffl sh si ssi sl ss st
Italick Letters.
Aa Bb Cc Dd Ee Ff Gg Hh
Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Qq
Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz
Italick Double Letters.
ct ff fi ffi fl ffl sh si ss ssi sl st
Great Letters.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O
P Q R S T U W X Y Z.

Ab eb ib ob ub
ac ec ic oc uc
ad ed id od ud
af ef if of uf
ag eg ig og ug
aj ej ij oj uj
ak ek ik ok uk
al el il ol ul
am em im om um
an en in on un
ap ep ip op up
ar er ir or ur
as es is os us
at et it ot ut
av ev iv ov uv
ax ex ix ox ux
az ez iz oz uz
Easy Syllables, etc.

Ba be bi bo bu ca ce ci co cu da de di do du fa fe fi fo fu ga ge gi go gu ha he hi ho hu ja je ji jo ju ka ke ki ko ku la le li lo lu ma me mi mo mu na ne ni no nu pa pe pi po pu ra re ri ro ru ta te ti to tu va ve vi vo vu wa we wi wo wy ya ye yi yo yu za ze zi zo zu
Words of one Syllable.

Age all ape are Babe beef best bold Cat cake crown cup Deaf
dead dry dull Eat ear eggs eyes Face feet fish foul Gate good grass great Hand hat head heart Ice ink isle jobb Kick kind kneel know Lamb lame land long Made mole moon mouth Name night noise noon Oak once one ounce Pain pair pence pound Quart queen quick quilt Rain raise rose run Saint sage salt said Take talk time throat Vain vice vile view Way wait waste would
Words of two Syllables.

Ab-sent ab-hor a-pron au-thor Ba-bel be-came be-guile bold-ly Ca-pon cel-lar con-stant cup-board Dai-ly de-pend di-vers du-ty Ea-gle ea-ger en-close e-ven Fa-ther fa-mous fe-male fu-ture Ga-ther gar-den gra-vy glo-ry
Hei-nous hate-ful hu-mane hus-band In-fant in-deed in-cence i-sland Ja-cob jeal-ous jus-tice ju-lep La-bour la-den la-dy la-zy Ma-ny ma-ry mo-tive mu-sick
Words of three Syllables.

A-bu-sing a-mend-ing ar-gu-ment Bar-ba-rous be-ne-fit beg-gar-ly Cal-cu-late can-dle-stick con-foun-ded Dam-ni-fy dif-fi-cult drow-si-ness Ea-ger-ly em-ploy-ing evi-dence Fa-cul-ty fa-mi-ly fu-ne-ral Gar-de-ner glo-ri-ous gra-ti-tude Hap-pi-ness har-mo-ny ho-li-ness
Words of four Syllables.

A-bi-li-ty ac-com-pa-ny af-fec-ti-on Be-ne-fi-ted be-a-ti-tude be-ne-vo-lent Ca-la-mi-ty ca-pa-ci-ty ce-re-mo-ny De-li-ca-cy di-li-gent-ly du-ti-ful-ly E-dy-fy-ing e-ver-last-ing e-vi-dent-ly Fe-bru-a-ry fi-de-li-ty for-mi-da-bly Ge-ne-ral-ly glo-ri-fy-ing gra-ci-ous-ly
Words of five Syllables.A-bo-mi-na-ble ad-mi-ra-ti-on Be-ne-dic-ti-on be-ne-fi-ci-al Ce-le-bra-ti-on con-so-la-ti-on De-cla-ra-ti-on de-di-ca-ti-on E-du-ca-ti-on ex-hor-ta-ti-on For-ni-ca-ti-on fer-men-ta-ti-on Ge-ne-ra-ti-on ge-ne-ro-si-ty
Words of six Syllables.

A-bo-mi-na-ti-on Gra-ti-fi-ca-ti-on Be-ne-fi-ci-al-ly Hu-mi-li-a-ti-on Con-ti-nu-a-ti-on I-ma-gi-na-ti-on De-ter-mi-na-ti-on Mor-ti-fi-ca-ti-on E-di-fi-ca-ti-on Pu-ri-fi-ca-ti-on Fa-mi-li-a-ri-ty Qua-li-fi-ca-ti-on
A Lesson for Children.

Pray to God. Call no ill names. Love God. Use no ill words. Fear God. Tell no lies. Serve God. Hate Lies. Take not God's Speak the Truth. Name in vain. Spend your Time well. Do not Swear. Love your School. Do not Steal. Mind your Book. Cheat not in your play. Strive to learn. Play not with bad boys. Be not a Dunce.
A In ADAM'S Fall
We sinned all.
B Heaven to find;
The Bible Mind.
C Christ crucify'd
For sinners dy'd.
D The Deluge drown'd
The Earth around.
E ELIJAH hid
By Ravens fed.
F The judgment made
FELIX afraid.

G As runs the Glass,
Our Life doth pass.
H My Book and Heart
Must never part.
J JOB feels the Rod,--
Yet blesses GOD.
K Proud Korah's troop
Was swallowed up
L LOT fled to Zoar,
Saw fiery Shower
On Sodom pour.
M MOSES was he
Who Israel's Host
Led thro' the Sea

N NOAH did view
The old world & new.
O Young OBADIAS,
DAVID, JOSIAS,
All were pious.
P PETER deny'd
His Lord and cry'd.
Q Queen ESTHER sues
And saves the Jews.
R Young pious RUTH,
Left all for Truth.
S Young SAM'L dear,
The Lord did fear.

T Young TIMOTHY
Learnt sin to fly.
V VASHTI for Pride
Was set aside.
W Whales in the Sea,
GOD's Voice obey.
X XERXES did die,
And so must I.
Y While youth do chear
Death may be near.
Z ZACCHEUS he
Did climb the Tree
Our Lord to see.

Who was the first man ? Adam.
Who was the first woman ? Eve.
Who was the first Murderer ? Cain.
Who was the first Martyr ? Abel.
Who was the first Translated ? Enoch.
Who was the oldest Man ? Methuselah.
Who built the Ark ? Noah.
Who was the Patientest Man ? Job.
Who was the Meekest Man ? Moses.
Who led Israel into Canaan ? Joshua.
Who was the strongest Man ? Sampson.
Who killed Goliah ? David.
Who was the wisest Man ? Soloman.
Who was in the Whale's Belly? Jonah.
Who saves lost Men ? Jesus Christ.
Who is Jesus Christ ? The Son of God.
Who was the Mother of Christ ? Mary.
Who betrayed his Master ? Judas.
Who denied his Master ? Peter.
Who was the first Christian Martyr? Stephen.
Who was chief Apostle of the Gentiles ? Saul.
The Infant's Grace before and after Meat.

BLESS me, O Lord, and let my food strengthen me to serve thee, for Jesus Christ's sake. AMEN.
I Desire to thank God who gives me food to eat every day of my life. AMEN.

What's right and good now shew me Lord, and lead me by they grace and word. Thus shall I be a child of God, and love and fear they hand and rod.


An Alphabet of Lessons for Youth.

A Wise son maketh a glad father, but a foolish son is the heaviness of his mother.
BEtter is a little with the fear of the Lord, than great treasure & trouble therewith.

COme unto Christ all ye that labor and are heavy laden and he will give you rest.

DO not the abominable thing which I hate saith the Lord.

EXcept a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

FOolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

GODLINESS is profitable unto all things, having the promise of the life that now is, and that which is to come.

HOLINESS becomes GOD's house for ever.

IT is good for me to draw near unto GOD.

KEEP thy heart with all diligence, for out of it are the issues of life.
LIARS shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone.

MANY are the afflictions of the righteous, but the LORD delivereth them out of them all.

NOW is the accepted time, now is the day of salvation.

OUT of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

PRAY to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which sees in secret shall reward thee openly.

QUIT you like men, be strong, stand fast in the faith.

REMEMBER thy Creator in the days of thy youth.

SEest thou a man wise in his own conceit, there is more hope of a fool than of him.

TRUST in God at all times, ye people, pour out your hearts before him.

UPON the wicked, God shall rain an horrible tempest.

WO to the wicked, it shall be ill with him, for the reward of his hands shall be given him.

EXHORT one another daily while it is called to day, lest any of you be hardened thro' the deceitfulness of sin.
YOUNG men ye have overcome the wicked one.

ZEal hath consumed me, because thy enemies have forgotten the word of God.



The LORD's Prayer.

OUR Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever. AMEN.


The CREED.

I BELIEVE in God the Father Almighty Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord, which was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried. He descended into hell. The third day he arose again from the dead, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God, the Father,
Almighty. From thence he shall come to judge both the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlafting. AMEN.


Dr. WATTS'S Cradle Hymn.

HUSH my dear, lie still and slumber,
holy angels guard thy bed,
Heavenly blessings without number,
gently falling on thy head.

Sleep my babe, thy food and raiment
house and home thy friends provide,

All without thy care or payment,
all thy wants are well supply'd.

How much better thou'rt attended,
than the Son of God could be,

When from heaven he descended,
and became a child like thee.

Soft and easy is thy cradle,
coarse and hard thy Saviour lay,

When his birth-place was a stable,
and his softest bed was hay.

Blessed Babe ! what glorious features
spotless fair, divinely bright! !

Must he dwell with brutal creatures,

how could angels bear the sight !
Was there nothing but a manger,
cursed sinners could afford,

To receive the heavenly stranger;
did they thus affront their Lord.

Soft my child I did not chide thee,
tho' my song may sound too hard;

'Tis thy mother sits beside thee,
and her arms shall be thy guard.

Yet to read the shameful story,
how the Jews abus'd their King,

How they serv'd the Lord of glory,
makes me angry while, I sing.

See the kinder shepherds round him,
telling wonders from the sky;

There they sought him, there they found him,
with his Virgin Mother by.

See the lovely Babe a dreaming;
lovely Infant how he smil'd !

When he wept, the Mother's blessing
sooth'd and hush'd the holy child.

Lo ! he slumbers in his manger,
where the horned oxen fed;

Peace my darling here's no danger
here's no Ox a near thy bed.

'Twas to save thee, child from dying,
save my dear from burning flame,

Bitter groans and endless crying,
that thy blest Redeemer came.
May'st thou live to know and fear him,
trust and love him all thy days !

Then go dwell for ever near him,
see his face and sing his praise.

I could give thee thousand kisses,
hoping what I most desire:

Not a mother's fondest wishes,
can to greater joys aspire.



VERSES for Children.

THOUGH I am young a little one,
If I can Speak and go alone,
Then I must learn to know the Lord,
And learn to read his holy word.
'Tis time to seek to God and pray
For what I want for every day:
I have a precious soul to save,
And I a mortal body have,
Tho' I am young yet I may die,
And hasten to eternity:
There is a dreadful fiery hell,
Where wicked ones must always dwell:
There is a heaven full of Joy,
Where godly ones must always stay:
To one of these my soul must fly,
As in a moment when I die:
When God that made me, calls me home,
I must not stay I must be gone.
He gave me life, and gives me breath,
And he can save my soul from death,
By JESUS CHRIST my only Lord,
According to his holy word.
He clothes my back and makes me warm:
He saves my flesh and bones from harm.
He gives me bread and milk and meat
And all I have that's good to eat.
When I am sick, he if he please,
Can make me well and give me ease:
He gives me sleep and quiet rest,
Whereby my body is refresh'd
The Lord is good and kind to me,
And very thankful I must be:
I must obey and love and fear him
, By faith in Christ I must draw near him.
I must not sin as others do,
Lest I lie down in sorrow too:
For God is angry every day,
With wicked ones who go astray,
All sinful words I must restrain:
I must not take God's name in vain.
I must not work, I must not play,
Upon God's holy sabbath day.
And if my parents speak the word,
I must obey them in the Lord.
Nor steal, nor lie, nor spend my days,
In idle tales and foolish plays,
I must obey my Lord's commands,
Do something with my little hands:
Remember my creator now,
In youth while time will it allow.
Young SAMUEL that little child,
He serv'd the Lord, liv'd undefil'd;
Him in his service God employ'd,
While ELI's wicked children dy'd:
When wicked children mocking said,
To a good man, Go up bald head,
God was displeas'd with them and sent
Two bears which them in pieces rent,
I must not like these children vile,
Displease my God, myself defile.
Like young ABIJAH, I must see,
That good things may be found in me,
Young King JOSIAH, that blessed youth,
He sought the Lord and lov'd the truth;
He like a King did act his part,
And follow'd God with all his heart.
The little children they did sing,
Hosannahs to their heavenly King.
That blessed child young TIMOTHY,
Did learn God's word most heedfully.
It seem'd to be his recreation,
Which made him wise unto salvation:
By faith in Christ which he had gain'd
With prayers and tears that faith unfeign'd
These good examples were for me;
Like these good children I must be.
Give me true faith in Christ my Lord,
Obedience to his holy word,
No word is in the world like thine,
There's none so pure, sweet and divine.
From thence let me thy will behold,
And love thy word above fine gold.
Make my heart in thy statutes sound,
And make my faith and love abound.
Lord circumcise my heart to love thee:
And nothing in this world above thee:
Let me behold thy pleased face,
And make my soul to grow in grace,
And in the knowledge of my Lord
And Saviour Christ, and of his word.
Another.

AWAKE, arise, behold thou hast,
Thy life a leaf, thy breath a blast;
At night lay down prepar'd to have
Thy sleep, thy death, thy bed, thy grave.
LORD if thou lengthen out my days,
Then let my heart so fixed be,
That I may lengthen out thy praise,
And never turn aside from thee.
So in my end I shall rejoice,
In thy salvation joyful be;
My soul shall say with loud glad voice,
JEHOVAH who is like to thee ?

Who taketh the lambs into thy arms,
And gently leadeth those with young,
Who saveth children from all harms,
Lord, I will praise thee with my song.

And when my days on earth shall end,
And I go hence and be here no more,
Give me eternity to spend,
My GOD to praise forever more.

Another.

Good children must,
Fear God all day, Love Christ alway,
Parents obey, In secret pray,
No false thing say, Mind little play,
By no sin stray, Make no delay,
In doing good.
Another.

In the burying place may see,
Graves shorter there than I,
From death's arrest no age is free,
Young children too must die.
My God may such an awful sight,
Awakening be to me !
Oh ! that by early grace I might
For death prepared be.
Another.

Now I lay me down to take my sleep,
I pray the Lord my soul to keep,
If I should die before I wake,
I pray the Lord my soul to take.
Another.

First in the morning when thou dost awake,
To God for his grace thy petition make,
Some heavenly petition use daily to say,
That the God of heaven may bless thee alway.
Duty to God and our neighbour.

LOVE God with all your soul & strength,
With all your heart and mind;
And love your neighbour as yourself,
Be faithful, just and kind.
Deal with another as you'd have
Another deal with you:
What you're unwilling to receive,
Be sure you never do.
Our Saviour's Golden Rule.

BE you to others kind and true,
As you'd have others be to you:
And neither do nor say to men,
Whate'er you would not take again.
The Sum of the ten Commandments.

WITH all thy soul love God above,
And as thyself thy neighbour love.
Advice to Youth. Eccle. xii.

Now in the heat of youthful blood,
Remember your Creator God;
Behold the months come hast'ning on,
When you sfhall say, My joys are gone.
Behold the aged sinner goes
Laden with guilt and heavy woes,
Down to the regions of the dead,
With endless curses on his head.
The dust returns to dust again,
The soul in agonies of pain,
Ascends to God not there to dwell,
But hears her doom and sinks to hell.
Eternal King I fear thy name,
Teach me to know how frail I am,
And when my soul must hence remove,
Give me a mansion in thy love.

 

[ding]

Okay- have fun with the conversation- remember Ding only wants your contributions to the conversation if you tell him whether you are gay or not......LOL...

Not true. God loves you even if you don't love yourself.

 

[Crixus]

I couldn't help but notice that there is quite a bit of animosity directed at Christians and I was wondering if maybe it was because Christians as a whole oppose gay marriage.

So... Do gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

Yeah,, and its Christians fault largely or "bigly" for the trumpkins.

 

[bodecea]

Oh...I said that "our nation was not founded on Christian values"? Where did I say that? I'm simply asking YOU what are those Christian values you claim our country was founded on. I'm sorry to hear they are so hard to simply list. Do you know why that might be?

I see. Was I wrong about your beliefs? Do you believe that our nation was founded on the Christian values of morality and virtue?

Ah....now we are getting somewhere....where is it indicated that morality ONLY comes from Christianity? Where is it indicated that virtue ONLY comes from Christianity? Sounds like these values can be found in any religion....and in the non-religious. What puts the "owned by Christianity" trademark on them?

It isn't, but were you aware of many Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Confucius, Taoist in this country back in the 1700's? You ever heard of or read the New England Primer? It was the second best-selling book in the American colonies. The Bible was number one. Five million copies existed in America. There there were only four million people in America in 1776. Check it out and then tell me which values this country was founded upon.

http://www3.nd.edu/~rbarger/www7/neprimer.html

The New England Primer, 1777 edition

The New England Primer - Wikipedia

America was founded on many values- amongst the most substantial were the values of Democracy from pagan Greece and Rome- and of course there were also contributions from the values of Judaism.

Really? This is a tiny excerpt of the New England Primer that was used in ALL schools for ALL American Children. Do I need to post the rest?

THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER

1777 edition

A Divine Song of Praise to GOD, for a Child,

by the Rev. Dr. Watts.
HOW glorious is our heavenly King,
Who reigns above tha Sky!
How shall a Child presume to sing
His dreadful Majesty!
How great his Power is none can tell,
Nor think how large his grace:
Nor men below, nor Saints that dwell,
On high before his Face.
Nor Angels that stand round the Lord,
Can search his secret will;
But they perform his heav'nly Word,
And sing his Praises still.
Then let me join this holy Train;
And my first Off'rings bring;
The eternal GOD will not disdain
To hear an Infant sing.
My Heart resolves, my Tongue obeys,
And Angels shall rejoice,
To hear their mighty Maker's Praise,
Sound from a feeble Voice.
The young INFANT'S or CHILD'S morning Prayer.

From Dr. WATTS.
ALMIGHTY God the Maker of every thing in Heaven and Earth; the Darkness goes away, and the Day light comes at thy Command. Thou art good and doest good continually.

I thank thee that thou has taken such Care of me this Night, and that I am alive and well this Morning.

Save me, O God, from Evil, all this Day long, and let me love and serve thee forever, for the Sake of Jesus Christ thy Son. AMEN.



The INFANT'S or young CHILD'S Evening Prayer.

From Dr. WATTS.
O LORD God who knowest all Things, thou seest me by Night as well as by Day.

I pray thee for Christ's Sake, forgive me whatsoever I have done amiss this Day, and keep me all this Night, while I am asleep.

I desire to lie down under thy Care, and to abide forever under thy Blessing, for thou art a God of all Power and everlasting Mercy. AMEN.



a b c d e f g h i j k l m
n o p q r s t u v
w x y z &.
Vowels.
a e i o u y.
Consonants.
b c d f g h j k l m n p q r s t v w x z
Double Letters.
ct ff fi fl ffi ffl sh si ssi sl ss st
Italick Letters.
Aa Bb Cc Dd Ee Ff Gg Hh
Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Qq
Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz
Italick Double Letters.
ct ff fi ffi fl ffl sh si ss ssi sl st
Great Letters.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O
P Q R S T U W X Y Z.

Ab eb ib ob ub
ac ec ic oc uc
ad ed id od ud
af ef if of uf
ag eg ig og ug
aj ej ij oj uj
ak ek ik ok uk
al el il ol ul
am em im om um
an en in on un
ap ep ip op up
ar er ir or ur
as es is os us
at et it ot ut
av ev iv ov uv
ax ex ix ox ux
az ez iz oz uz
Easy Syllables, etc.

Ba be bi bo bu ca ce ci co cu da de di do du fa fe fi fo fu ga ge gi go gu ha he hi ho hu ja je ji jo ju ka ke ki ko ku la le li lo lu ma me mi mo mu na ne ni no nu pa pe pi po pu ra re ri ro ru ta te ti to tu va ve vi vo vu wa we wi wo wy ya ye yi yo yu za ze zi zo zu
Words of one Syllable.

Age all ape are Babe beef best bold Cat cake crown cup Deaf
dead dry dull Eat ear eggs eyes Face feet fish foul Gate good grass great Hand hat head heart Ice ink isle jobb Kick kind kneel know Lamb lame land long Made mole moon mouth Name night noise noon Oak once one ounce Pain pair pence pound Quart queen quick quilt Rain raise rose run Saint sage salt said Take talk time throat Vain vice vile view Way wait waste would
Words of two Syllables.

Ab-sent ab-hor a-pron au-thor Ba-bel be-came be-guile bold-ly Ca-pon cel-lar con-stant cup-board Dai-ly de-pend di-vers du-ty Ea-gle ea-ger en-close e-ven Fa-ther fa-mous fe-male fu-ture Ga-ther gar-den gra-vy glo-ry
Hei-nous hate-ful hu-mane hus-band In-fant in-deed in-cence i-sland Ja-cob jeal-ous jus-tice ju-lep La-bour la-den la-dy la-zy Ma-ny ma-ry mo-tive mu-sick
Words of three Syllables.

A-bu-sing a-mend-ing ar-gu-ment Bar-ba-rous be-ne-fit beg-gar-ly Cal-cu-late can-dle-stick con-foun-ded Dam-ni-fy dif-fi-cult drow-si-ness Ea-ger-ly em-ploy-ing evi-dence Fa-cul-ty fa-mi-ly fu-ne-ral Gar-de-ner glo-ri-ous gra-ti-tude Hap-pi-ness har-mo-ny ho-li-ness
Words of four Syllables.

A-bi-li-ty ac-com-pa-ny af-fec-ti-on Be-ne-fi-ted be-a-ti-tude be-ne-vo-lent Ca-la-mi-ty ca-pa-ci-ty ce-re-mo-ny De-li-ca-cy di-li-gent-ly du-ti-ful-ly E-dy-fy-ing e-ver-last-ing e-vi-dent-ly Fe-bru-a-ry fi-de-li-ty for-mi-da-bly Ge-ne-ral-ly glo-ri-fy-ing gra-ci-ous-ly
Words of five Syllables.A-bo-mi-na-ble ad-mi-ra-ti-on Be-ne-dic-ti-on be-ne-fi-ci-al Ce-le-bra-ti-on con-so-la-ti-on De-cla-ra-ti-on de-di-ca-ti-on E-du-ca-ti-on ex-hor-ta-ti-on For-ni-ca-ti-on fer-men-ta-ti-on Ge-ne-ra-ti-on ge-ne-ro-si-ty
Words of six Syllables.

A-bo-mi-na-ti-on Gra-ti-fi-ca-ti-on Be-ne-fi-ci-al-ly Hu-mi-li-a-ti-on Con-ti-nu-a-ti-on I-ma-gi-na-ti-on De-ter-mi-na-ti-on Mor-ti-fi-ca-ti-on E-di-fi-ca-ti-on Pu-ri-fi-ca-ti-on Fa-mi-li-a-ri-ty Qua-li-fi-ca-ti-on
A Lesson for Children.

Pray to God. Call no ill names. Love God. Use no ill words. Fear God. Tell no lies. Serve God. Hate Lies. Take not God's Speak the Truth. Name in vain. Spend your Time well. Do not Swear. Love your School. Do not Steal. Mind your Book. Cheat not in your play. Strive to learn. Play not with bad boys. Be not a Dunce.
A In ADAM'S Fall
We sinned all.
B Heaven to find;
The Bible Mind.
C Christ crucify'd
For sinners dy'd.
D The Deluge drown'd
The Earth around.
E ELIJAH hid
By Ravens fed.
F The judgment made
FELIX afraid.

G As runs the Glass,
Our Life doth pass.
H My Book and Heart
Must never part.
J JOB feels the Rod,--
Yet blesses GOD.
K Proud Korah's troop
Was swallowed up
L LOT fled to Zoar,
Saw fiery Shower
On Sodom pour.
M MOSES was he
Who Israel's Host
Led thro' the Sea

N NOAH did view
The old world & new.
O Young OBADIAS,
DAVID, JOSIAS,
All were pious.
P PETER deny'd
His Lord and cry'd.
Q Queen ESTHER sues
And saves the Jews.
R Young pious RUTH,
Left all for Truth.
S Young SAM'L dear,
The Lord did fear.

T Young TIMOTHY
Learnt sin to fly.
V VASHTI for Pride
Was set aside.
W Whales in the Sea,
GOD's Voice obey.
X XERXES did die,
And so must I.
Y While youth do chear
Death may be near.
Z ZACCHEUS he
Did climb the Tree
Our Lord to see.

Who was the first man ? Adam.
Who was the first woman ? Eve.
Who was the first Murderer ? Cain.
Who was the first Martyr ? Abel.
Who was the first Translated ? Enoch.
Who was the oldest Man ? Methuselah.
Who built the Ark ? Noah.
Who was the Patientest Man ? Job.
Who was the Meekest Man ? Moses.
Who led Israel into Canaan ? Joshua.
Who was the strongest Man ? Sampson.
Who killed Goliah ? David.
Who was the wisest Man ? Soloman.
Who was in the Whale's Belly? Jonah.
Who saves lost Men ? Jesus Christ.
Who is Jesus Christ ? The Son of God.
Who was the Mother of Christ ? Mary.
Who betrayed his Master ? Judas.
Who denied his Master ? Peter.
Who was the first Christian Martyr? Stephen.
Who was chief Apostle of the Gentiles ? Saul.
The Infant's Grace before and after Meat.

BLESS me, O Lord, and let my food strengthen me to serve thee, for Jesus Christ's sake. AMEN.
I Desire to thank God who gives me food to eat every day of my life. AMEN.

What's right and good now shew me Lord, and lead me by they grace and word. Thus shall I be a child of God, and love and fear they hand and rod.


An Alphabet of Lessons for Youth.

A Wise son maketh a glad father, but a foolish son is the heaviness of his mother.
BEtter is a little with the fear of the Lord, than great treasure & trouble therewith.

COme unto Christ all ye that labor and are heavy laden and he will give you rest.

DO not the abominable thing which I hate saith the Lord.

EXcept a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

FOolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

GODLINESS is profitable unto all things, having the promise of the life that now is, and that which is to come.

HOLINESS becomes GOD's house for ever.

IT is good for me to draw near unto GOD.

KEEP thy heart with all diligence, for out of it are the issues of life.
LIARS shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone.

MANY are the afflictions of the righteous, but the LORD delivereth them out of them all.

NOW is the accepted time, now is the day of salvation.

OUT of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

PRAY to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which sees in secret shall reward thee openly.

QUIT you like men, be strong, stand fast in the faith.

REMEMBER thy Creator in the days of thy youth.

SEest thou a man wise in his own conceit, there is more hope of a fool than of him.

TRUST in God at all times, ye people, pour out your hearts before him.

UPON the wicked, God shall rain an horrible tempest.

WO to the wicked, it shall be ill with him, for the reward of his hands shall be given him.

EXHORT one another daily while it is called to day, lest any of you be hardened thro' the deceitfulness of sin.
YOUNG men ye have overcome the wicked one.

ZEal hath consumed me, because thy enemies have forgotten the word of God.



The LORD's Prayer.

OUR Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever. AMEN.


The CREED.

I BELIEVE in God the Father Almighty Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord, which was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried. He descended into hell. The third day he arose again from the dead, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God, the Father,
Almighty. From thence he shall come to judge both the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlafting. AMEN.


Dr. WATTS'S Cradle Hymn.

HUSH my dear, lie still and slumber,
holy angels guard thy bed,
Heavenly blessings without number,
gently falling on thy head.

Sleep my babe, thy food and raiment
house and home thy friends provide,

All without thy care or payment,
all thy wants are well supply'd.

How much better thou'rt attended,
than the Son of God could be,

When from heaven he descended,
and became a child like thee.

Soft and easy is thy cradle,
coarse and hard thy Saviour lay,

When his birth-place was a stable,
and his softest bed was hay.

Blessed Babe ! what glorious features
spotless fair, divinely bright! !

Must he dwell with brutal creatures,

how could angels bear the sight !
Was there nothing but a manger,
cursed sinners could afford,

To receive the heavenly stranger;
did they thus affront their Lord.

Soft my child I did not chide thee,
tho' my song may sound too hard;

'Tis thy mother sits beside thee,
and her arms shall be thy guard.

Yet to read the shameful story,
how the Jews abus'd their King,

How they serv'd the Lord of glory,
makes me angry while, I sing.

See the kinder shepherds round him,
telling wonders from the sky;

There they sought him, there they found him,
with his Virgin Mother by.

See the lovely Babe a dreaming;
lovely Infant how he smil'd !

When he wept, the Mother's blessing
sooth'd and hush'd the holy child.

Lo ! he slumbers in his manger,
where the horned oxen fed;

Peace my darling here's no danger
here's no Ox a near thy bed.

'Twas to save thee, child from dying,
save my dear from burning flame,

Bitter groans and endless crying,
that thy blest Redeemer came.
May'st thou live to know and fear him,
trust and love him all thy days !

Then go dwell for ever near him,
see his face and sing his praise.

I could give thee thousand kisses,
hoping what I most desire:

Not a mother's fondest wishes,
can to greater joys aspire.



VERSES for Children.

THOUGH I am young a little one,
If I can Speak and go alone,
Then I must learn to know the Lord,
And learn to read his holy word.
'Tis time to seek to God and pray
For what I want for every day:
I have a precious soul to save,
And I a mortal body have,
Tho' I am young yet I may die,
And hasten to eternity:
There is a dreadful fiery hell,
Where wicked ones must always dwell:
There is a heaven full of Joy,
Where godly ones must always stay:
To one of these my soul must fly,
As in a moment when I die:
When God that made me, calls me home,
I must not stay I must be gone.
He gave me life, and gives me breath,
And he can save my soul from death,
By JESUS CHRIST my only Lord,
According to his holy word.
He clothes my back and makes me warm:
He saves my flesh and bones from harm.
He gives me bread and milk and meat
And all I have that's good to eat.
When I am sick, he if he please,
Can make me well and give me ease:
He gives me sleep and quiet rest,
Whereby my body is refresh'd
The Lord is good and kind to me,
And very thankful I must be:
I must obey and love and fear him
, By faith in Christ I must draw near him.
I must not sin as others do,
Lest I lie down in sorrow too:
For God is angry every day,
With wicked ones who go astray,
All sinful words I must restrain:
I must not take God's name in vain.
I must not work, I must not play,
Upon God's holy sabbath day.
And if my parents speak the word,
I must obey them in the Lord.
Nor steal, nor lie, nor spend my days,
In idle tales and foolish plays,
I must obey my Lord's commands,
Do something with my little hands:
Remember my creator now,
In youth while time will it allow.
Young SAMUEL that little child,
He serv'd the Lord, liv'd undefil'd;
Him in his service God employ'd,
While ELI's wicked children dy'd:
When wicked children mocking said,
To a good man, Go up bald head,
God was displeas'd with them and sent
Two bears which them in pieces rent,
I must not like these children vile,
Displease my God, myself defile.
Like young ABIJAH, I must see,
That good things may be found in me,
Young King JOSIAH, that blessed youth,
He sought the Lord and lov'd the truth;
He like a King did act his part,
And follow'd God with all his heart.
The little children they did sing,
Hosannahs to their heavenly King.
That blessed child young TIMOTHY,
Did learn God's word most heedfully.
It seem'd to be his recreation,
Which made him wise unto salvation:
By faith in Christ which he had gain'd
With prayers and tears that faith unfeign'd
These good examples were for me;
Like these good children I must be.
Give me true faith in Christ my Lord,
Obedience to his holy word,
No word is in the world like thine,
There's none so pure, sweet and divine.
From thence let me thy will behold,
And love thy word above fine gold.
Make my heart in thy statutes sound,
And make my faith and love abound.
Lord circumcise my heart to love thee:
And nothing in this world above thee:
Let me behold thy pleased face,
And make my soul to grow in grace,
And in the knowledge of my Lord
And Saviour Christ, and of his word.
Another.

AWAKE, arise, behold thou hast,
Thy life a leaf, thy breath a blast;
At night lay down prepar'd to have
Thy sleep, thy death, thy bed, thy grave.
LORD if thou lengthen out my days,
Then let my heart so fixed be,
That I may lengthen out thy praise,
And never turn aside from thee.
So in my end I shall rejoice,
In thy salvation joyful be;
My soul shall say with loud glad voice,
JEHOVAH who is like to thee ?

Who taketh the lambs into thy arms,
And gently leadeth those with young,
Who saveth children from all harms,
Lord, I will praise thee with my song.

And when my days on earth shall end,
And I go hence and be here no more,
Give me eternity to spend,
My GOD to praise forever more.

Another.

Good children must,
Fear God all day, Love Christ alway,
Parents obey, In secret pray,
No false thing say, Mind little play,
By no sin stray, Make no delay,
In doing good.
Another.

In the burying place may see,
Graves shorter there than I,
From death's arrest no age is free,
Young children too must die.
My God may such an awful sight,
Awakening be to me !
Oh ! that by early grace I might
For death prepared be.
Another.

Now I lay me down to take my sleep,
I pray the Lord my soul to keep,
If I should die before I wake,
I pray the Lord my soul to take.
Another.

First in the morning when thou dost awake,
To God for his grace thy petition make,
Some heavenly petition use daily to say,
That the God of heaven may bless thee alway.
Duty to God and our neighbour.

LOVE God with all your soul & strength,
With all your heart and mind;
And love your neighbour as yourself,
Be faithful, just and kind.
Deal with another as you'd have
Another deal with you:
What you're unwilling to receive,
Be sure you never do.
Our Saviour's Golden Rule.

BE you to others kind and true,
As you'd have others be to you:
And neither do nor say to men,
Whate'er you would not take again.
The Sum of the ten Commandments.

WITH all thy soul love God above,
And as thyself thy neighbour love.
Advice to Youth. Eccle. xii.

Now in the heat of youthful blood,
Remember your Creator God;
Behold the months come hast'ning on,
When you sfhall say, My joys are gone.
Behold the aged sinner goes
Laden with guilt and heavy woes,
Down to the regions of the dead,
With endless curses on his head.
The dust returns to dust again,
The soul in agonies of pain,
Ascends to God not there to dwell,
But hears her doom and sinks to hell.
Eternal King I fear thy name,
Teach me to know how frail I am,
And when my soul must hence remove,
Give me a mansion in thy love.

Exactly what does THAT prove?

 

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Your lack of comprehension is alarming. The adulterer is no longer an adulterer once he has been forgiven for past acts of adultery and no longer engages in the act of adultery anymore. The same would apply to you homosexuals. I realize this is third grade level stuff but I can't make it any easier.

"Homosexual" and "Heterosexual" are terms of sexual orientation- nothing more and nothing less.

A homosexual does not stop being attracted to the same gender even if he has repented, any more than a heterosexual stops being attracted to the opposite gender when he repents his fornication.

I don't know how I can make that any easier for you.

An adulterer is someone who has committed adultery- someone who has commited an act- heterosexual and homosexual is an orientation- and is not dependent on any action.

Well, sin is sin. God cannot abide sin. Sin can be repented of and can be forgiven. Most who argue your way know they are in sin but wish to continue living in that sin and do not wish to repent and change their lifestyle. Many homosexuals are atheists simply because they close their eyes and deny God in order to continue in their sinful lifestyle.

Many heterosexuals are atheists too. That IS allowed, you know.

No..... Just kidding. Yeah, I know. It seems that the more liberal they are the more militant they are.

"It seems"? to whom?

I didn't come up with this on my own. It is nothing new. In fact, it is quite an old observation.

Michail Bakunins sozial-politischer Briefwechsel mit Alexander Ivanovitsch Herzen. Stuttgart, 1895.

G. Le Bon. Psychologie du socialisme. (Quotations refer to Russian translation, Psikhologiia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

S. Frank. "Etika nigilizma" ("The Ethics of Nihilism," in Russian). In: Vekhi (Landmarks), Moscow, 1909.

S. Bulgakov. Pervokhristianstvo i noveishii sotsializm (Early Christianity and Modern Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1911.

S. Bulgakov. Khristianstvo i sotsializm (Christianity and Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1917

W. Gurian. Der Bolschewismus. Freiburg, 1931 giia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

H. Marcuse. Eros and Civilization. A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud. Boston, 1955

I. Shafarevich. The Socialist Phenomeon, 1980 by Harper & Row

And...what does THAT prove?

 

[ding]

I couldn't help but notice that there is quite a bit of animosity directed at Christians and I was wondering if maybe it was because Christians as a whole oppose gay marriage.

So... Do gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

Yeah,, and its Christians fault largely or "bigly" for the trumpkins.

That is a dumbass thing to say. You are like almost every other atheist I have met, you only see the bad that men have committed, you don't weight the good. It is not the fault of religion or God. You are literally throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You a vague rosy notion of goodness of life without out religion or belief in a Supreme Being. You don't have to imagine what the world would look like, we have ample examples of the 20th century of what a society without God looks like. Your logic is flawed to say the least.

Here is how I imagine a world without God or religion would look like... their religion would be socialism. They would worship big government and social policy. It would be based on atheism and the deification of man. It would proceed in almost all of its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of the individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They would have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine would be abolition of private property, abolition of family and communality or equality. They would practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. They would be identified by an external locus of control. They would worship science but would be the first to argue against it when it did not suit their cause. They would force everyone to believe the same things and think the same way. There would be no diversity of thought, only homogenization of thought.

Here is my proof that that is what that world would look like...

"...boundless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility (which under Communist regimes attains the stage of antireligious dictatorship); concentration on social structures with an allegedly scientific approach. (This last is typical of both the Age of Enlightenment and of Marxism.) It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.

The interrelationship is such, moreover, that the current of materialism which is farthest to the left, and is hence the most consistent, always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. Thus during the past centuries and especially in recent decades, as the process became more acute, the alignment of forces was as follows: Liberalism was inevitably pushed aside by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could not stand up to communism.

The communist regime in the East could endure and grow due to the enthusiastic support from an enormous number of Western intellectuals who (feeling the kinship!) refused to see communism's crimes, and when they no longer could do so, they tried to justify these crimes. The problem persists: In our Eastern countries, communism has suffered a complete ideological defeat; it is zero and less than zero. And yet Western intellectuals still look at it with considerable interest and empathy, and this is precisely what makes it so immensely difficult for the West to withstand the East.

I am not examining the case of a disaster brought on by a world war and the changes which it would produce in society. But as long as we wake up every morning under a peaceful sun, we must lead an everyday life. Yet there is a disaster which is already very much with us. I am referring to the calamity of an autonomous, irreligious humanistic consciousness.

It has made man the measure of all things on earth — imperfect man, who is never free of pride, self-interest, envy, vanity, and dozens of other defects. We are now paying for the mistakes which were not properly appraised at the beginning of the journey. On the way from the Renaissance to our days we have enriched our experience, but we have lost the concept of a Supreme Complete Entity which used to restrain our passions and our irresponsibility.

We have placed too much hope in politics and social reforms, only to find out that we were being deprived of our most precious possession: our spiritual life. It is trampled by the party mob in the East, by the commercial one in the West. This is the essence of the crisis: the split in the world is less terrifying than the similarity of the disease afflicting its main sections.

If, as claimed by humanism, man were born only to be happy, he would not be born to die. Since his body is doomed to death, his task on earth evidently must be more spiritual: not a total engrossment in everyday life, not the search for the best ways to obtain material goods and then their carefree consumption. It has to be the fulfillment of a permanent, earnest duty so that one's life journey may become above all an experience of moral growth: to leave life a better human being than one started it.

It is imperative to reappraise the scale of the usual human values; its present incorrectness is astounding. It is not possible that assessment of the President's performance should be reduced to the question of how much money one makes or to the availability of gasoline. Only by the voluntary nurturing in ourselves of freely accepted and serene self-restraint can mankind rise above the world stream of materialism.

Today it would be retrogressive to hold on to the ossified formulas of the Enlightenment. Such social dogmatism leaves us helpless before the trials of our times.

Even if we are spared destruction by war, life will have to change in order not to perish on its own. We cannot avoid reassessing the fundamental definitions of human life and society. Is it true that man is above everything? Is there no Superior Spirit above him? Is it right that man's life and society's activities should be ruled by material expansion above all? Is it permissible to promote such expansion to the detriment of our integral spiritual life?

If the world has not approached its end, it has reached a major watershed in history, equal in importance to the turn from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance. It will demand from us a spiritual blaze; we shall have to rise to a new height of vision, to a new level of life, where our physical nature will not be cursed, as in the Middle Ages, but even more importantly, our spiritual being will not be trampled upon, as in the Modern Era.

The ascension is similar to climbing onto the next anthropological stage. No one on earth has any other way left but — upward." Solzhenitsyn

 

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Well, sin is sin. God cannot abide sin. Sin can be repented of and can be forgiven. Most who argue your way know they are in sin but wish to continue living in that sin and do not wish to repent and change their lifestyle. Many homosexuals are atheists simply because they close their eyes and deny God in order to continue in their sinful lifestyle.

Many heterosexuals are atheists too. That IS allowed, you know.

No..... Just kidding. Yeah, I know. It seems that the more liberal they are the more militant they are.

"It seems"? to whom?

I didn't come up with this on my own. It is nothing new. In fact, it is quite an old observation.

Michail Bakunins sozial-politischer Briefwechsel mit Alexander Ivanovitsch Herzen. Stuttgart, 1895.

G. Le Bon. Psychologie du socialisme. (Quotations refer to Russian translation, Psikhologiia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

S. Frank. "Etika nigilizma" ("The Ethics of Nihilism," in Russian). In: Vekhi (Landmarks), Moscow, 1909.

S. Bulgakov. Pervokhristianstvo i noveishii sotsializm (Early Christianity and Modern Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1911.

S. Bulgakov. Khristianstvo i sotsializm (Christianity and Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1917

W. Gurian. Der Bolschewismus. Freiburg, 1931 giia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

H. Marcuse. Eros and Civilization. A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud. Boston, 1955

I. Shafarevich. The Socialist Phenomeon, 1980 by Harper & Row

And...what does THAT prove?

That militant atheism leads to communism.