Do the 50 States need to invoke their power to call a Constitutional Convention?

Why do Conservatives hate the Constitution?

What if that convention repeals the Second Amendment?

Yeah.. the ones who want the constitution followed to the letter are the ones that hate it :rolleyes:

And if by the rules of the constitution itself the 2nd or whatever other amendment is somehow repealed... while not LIKING it, it would be accepted as the law of the land and the way things are.. AS LONG AS the constitutional procedure was followed and not thwarted
 
We don't need a Constitutional Convention to change the Constitution. Just restore it. It doesn't need changing.
 
Why do Conservatives hate the Constitution?

What if that convention repeals the Second Amendment?

Yeah.. the ones who want the constitution followed to the letter are the ones that hate it :rolleyes:

And if by the rules of the constitution itself the 2nd or whatever other amendment is somehow repealed... while not LIKING it, it would be accepted as the law of the land and the way things are.. AS LONG AS the constitutional procedure was followed and not thwarted

Our courts determine how we follow the Constitution to the letter.....not a bunch of posters on an internet message board
 
I believe that only 34 state legislatures (not 50) are needed to call for a CONSTITUTIONAL convention.

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

And as the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT continues to sluff off its responsibilities leaving the STATES holding the bag of woes (but not the money to deal with those woes) this CONSTITUTIONAL SAFEGUARD granting the states the RIGHT to reconvene (and entirely rewrite if they choose) the US consitution becauses less and less a fasntasy and more and more a possiblity.

THIS is the only sane way to have REVOLUTION that some of you so want.

Now all ya gotta do is first get 34 state legislatures to call for the Constitutional convention and then get 38 State Legislatures to radify their amendments into the NEW CONSTITUTIONAL LAW of the land.

Theoretically they could completely rewrite the Constitution, even to the point of DISBANDING the Federal government entirely.
 
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I believe that only 34 state legislatures (not 50) are needed to call for a CONSTITUTIONAL convention.

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Doesn't matter

You are not going to get 34 States
 
Why do Conservatives hate the Constitution?

What if that convention repeals the Second Amendment?

Yeah.. the ones who want the constitution followed to the letter are the ones that hate it :rolleyes:

And if by the rules of the constitution itself the 2nd or whatever other amendment is somehow repealed... while not LIKING it, it would be accepted as the law of the land and the way things are.. AS LONG AS the constitutional procedure was followed and not thwarted

Our courts determine how we follow the Constitution to the letter.....not a bunch of posters on an internet message board

And that is stated in the constitution WHERE?? That power is granted WHERE??

It is a power the court GRABBED FOR ITSELF.... not that was constitutionally granted thru any constitutional process
 
The success of representational governance is a myth. Just look at the last presidential election. More people abstained from voting than actually voted and somehow this leads statists to believe the president won the majority vote.
 
Yeah.. the ones who want the constitution followed to the letter are the ones that hate it :rolleyes:

And if by the rules of the constitution itself the 2nd or whatever other amendment is somehow repealed... while not LIKING it, it would be accepted as the law of the land and the way things are.. AS LONG AS the constitutional procedure was followed and not thwarted

Our courts determine how we follow the Constitution to the letter.....not a bunch of posters on an internet message board

And that is stated in the constitution WHERE?? That power is granted WHERE??

It is a power the court GRABBED FOR ITSELF.... not that was constitutionally granted thru any constitutional process

Marbury vs Madison

If you disagree with the finding, the Constitution provides a methodology for you to change it
 
Let's face it. Washington can't fix itself from the top down.

It needs to be fixed from the bottom up.

An easy way to restore popular control would to call a Constitutional Convention, and propose the least controversial of all fixes --- vastly increasing the size of the House of Representatives and restoring State control over the Senate. Today we are under-represented. Approximately 1 Representative for every 700,000 citizens, as opposed to 1 per 30,000 at the founding of the United Stated.

Amendment:
There shall exist 1 Representative for every 30,000 citizens.

Amendment:
The 17th Amendment is repealed, and the original method of choosing Senators is restored.

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With 10,000+ Representatives we could finally end the Washington gridlock, implode the 2-party tyranny and use the FEDERAL government to fix itself. Local and State control would be restored, as would Popular Sovereignty, the foundational philosophy of republican and democratic governments.

It's naïve to think that electing more partisans hacks into office will end the gridlock.
 
Let's face it. Washington can't fix itself from the top down.

It needs to be fixed from the bottom up.

An easy way to restore popular control would to call a Constitutional Convention, and propose the least controversial of all fixes --- vastly increasing the size of the House of Representatives and restoring State control over the Senate. Today we are under-represented. Approximately 1 Representative for every 700,000 citizens, as opposed to 1 per 30,000 at the founding of the United Stated.

Amendment:
There shall exist 1 Representative for every 30,000 citizens.

Amendment:
The 17th Amendment is repealed, and the original method of choosing Senators is restored.

---------------------------
With 10,000+ Representatives we could finally end the Washington gridlock, implode the 2-party tyranny and use the FEDERAL government to fix itself. Local and State control would be restored, as would Popular Sovereignty, the foundational philosophy of republican and democratic governments.

It's amusing you say you want to end gridlock when it was gridlock which brought about the 17th amendment in the first place.

Also, dude, not even China has 10,000 representatives in their Congress. There isn't even a word for how ridiculous an idea that is. China doesn't even have a third that many and their population is four times ours.

Not to mention there'd be a special election every damned day, sometimes twice a day, just to keep the seats filled!

They going to meet in a football stadium?

The sheer unwieldiness of it is staggering.

Talk about desperate. A 10,000 member House just to get three or four Libertarians or Freemen elected to Congress? BWA-HA-HA-HA!
 
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I would support a Constitutional amendment to ban all tax expenditures.

That would go a long way toward leveling the campaign election field. It would blow a big hole in the current 98 percent re-election rate of House incumbents who run for re-election.
 
Amendment:
There shall exist 1 Representative for every 30,000 citizens.

Just like at the founding of the country? How quaint

We have much more access to our Congressional Representatives today than we did 200 years ago. They are more answerable to "We the people" than they were at our founding
They are also much more representative of the population
 
Amendment:
There shall exist 1 Representative for every 30,000 citizens.

Just like at the founding of the country? How quaint

We have much more access to our Congressional Representatives today than we did 200 years ago. They are more answerable to "We the people" than they were at our founding
They are also much more representative of the population

No, they are not. You're either willfully stupid, or dishonest. I'm guessing both. Representation in government is a myth. You're lucky to get an area where 50% of the people are represented.

More shit shoveling from the USMB shit shoveler.
 
10,000+ Representatives?

That ain't ever gonna fly, Wilbur...

However...

You wanna restore Popular control?

Create new Recall Powers for the People...

For any elected office, anywhere in the Land...

With the same procedure, nationwide...

One that has realistic Recall-Vote Petition and Recall-Vote Majority requirements...

And then start using that Recall Power...

That would light a fire under some of these entrenched, greedy, over-tenured parasites...
 
Our courts determine how we follow the Constitution to the letter.....not a bunch of posters on an internet message board

No, the Jury determines how we follow the Constitution, only a Jury can convict you.

"I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by
man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its
constitution." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Paine, 1789.

"It is left... to the juries, if they think the permanent judges
are under any bias whatever in any cause, to take on themselves
to judge the law as well as the fact. They never exercise this
power but when they suspect partiality in the judges; and by the
exercise of this power they have been the firmest bulwarks of
English liberty." --Thomas Jefferson to Abbe Arnond, 1789.

"If the question [before justices of the peace] relate to any point
of public liberty, or if it be one of those in which the judges may
be suspected of bias, the jury undertake to decide both law and
fact." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782.
 
I've long thought about a Constitutional Convention and sadly don't think it would ever work.

I do agree that the 17th Amendment should be revoked. I think each state legislature must put pressure on its senators to start such a movement. If that happened, the House would follow and I think 2/3 of the states would agree.

I also think the 10th amendment has to be reviewed by SCOTUS to see where the federal government has usurped those powers.
 
Let's face it. Washington can't fix itself from the top down.

It needs to be fixed from the bottom up.

An easy way to restore popular control would to call a Constitutional Convention, and propose the least controversial of all fixes --- vastly increasing the size of the House of Representatives and restoring State control over the Senate. Today we are under-represented. Approximately 1 Representative for every 700,000 citizens, as opposed to 1 per 30,000 at the founding of the United Stated.

Amendment:
There shall exist 1 Representative for every 30,000 citizens.

Amendment:
The 17th Amendment is repealed, and the original method of choosing Senators is restored.

---------------------------
With 10,000+ Representatives we could finally end the Washington gridlock, implode the 2-party tyranny and use the FEDERAL government to fix itself. Local and State control would be restored, as would Popular Sovereignty, the foundational philosophy of republican and democratic governments.

They should go right ahead.
 
you meant 57 states, right?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws]Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States - YouTube[/ame]
 

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