Do voters understand that GOP economics is a catastrophe in the making?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Tariffs are needed to give American producers a fighting chance against cheap chinese imports

because I dont expect or want Americans to work for the same low wages and bad workplace conditions that they have in china

1) You forgot to say why tariffs are better than ending the liberal policies( taxes regulations etc) that drove our jobs there !!!!!!!!!!

2) why fight at all then ?? Why not make all imports illegal since all countries have lower wages than ours etc???

3) did you know that tariffs lead to trade wars????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

how many months or years would it take for the US to regain independence by restarting production in the US?

maybe too long

You don't listen or read do you? If China cut us off we would have to retaliate so it is unlikely that they would do that. Now do you understand?

 

[Mac-7]

What if it is war?

for instance north korea serving as china’s proxy demands we withdraw not only from south korea but japan also

a war breaks out and china declares a total embargo on exports to America

how many months or years would it take for the US to regain independence by restarting production in the US?

maybe too long

a war breaks out and china declares a total embargo on exports to America

That'd be awesome!!

Massive Chinese unemployment and they'd run out of money to buy oil and food.

Dumbest thing they could ever do.

To win the war, meaning pushing America back to hawaii, occupying south korea, japan and taiwan would be worth the temporary economic inconvenience that might cause

They're going to push us back to Hawaii by destroying tens of millions of their own jobs, eliminating their biggest source of oil buying funds and we won't do anything about it because they stopped selling us their cheap goods?

That's funny!

What are they going to do when South Korea and Japan start hitting China with nuclear bombs?

Neither s korea or japan have nukes

and neither do the next dominoes such as the Philippines or Australia

Neither s korea or japan have nukes

If China suddenly threatened to invade them, how long would it take them to build some nukes?

I'd say South Korea, a week at most.
Japan, maybe an hour.

China does not have to invade and occupy south korea or japan to make them vassal state within the communist chinese orbit

the first domino is south korea

if the US is forced to withdraw from the peninsula south korea will quickly fall to the north

and that will put enormous pressure on japan to make concessions to china

 

[Mac-7]

Tariffs are needed to give American producers a fighting chance against cheap chinese imports

because I dont expect or want Americans to work for the same low wages and bad workplace conditions that they have in china

1) You forgot to say why tariffs are better than ending the liberal policies( taxes regulations etc) that drove our jobs there !!!!!!!!!!

2) why fight at all then ?? Why not make all imports illegal since all countries have lower wages than ours etc???

3) did you know that tariffs lead to trade wars????

1. You left out wages

we could repeal all safety and environmental regulations and collect no corporate taxes and the American worker would still have to take a massive cut in pay to get down to the chinese slave labor pay scale

Which I do not want to do

2. We did not lose our industrial base overnight and it cant be restored that fast either

if we simply diversify our supply chain over many countries and away from china that would be a good first step

 

[Mac-7]

how many months or years would it take for the US to regain independence by restarting production in the US?

maybe too long

You don't listen or read do you? If China cut us off we would have to retaliate so it is unlikely that they would do that. Now do you understand?

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

the just-in-time manufacturing model means we are quite vulnerable to supply disruptions

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

a war breaks out and china declares a total embargo on exports to America

That'd be awesome!!

Massive Chinese unemployment and they'd run out of money to buy oil and food.

Dumbest thing they could ever do.

To win the war, meaning pushing America back to hawaii, occupying south korea, japan and taiwan would be worth the temporary economic inconvenience that might cause

They're going to push us back to Hawaii by destroying tens of millions of their own jobs, eliminating their biggest source of oil buying funds and we won't do anything about it because they stopped selling us their cheap goods?

That's funny!

What are they going to do when South Korea and Japan start hitting China with nuclear bombs?

Neither s korea or japan have nukes

and neither do the next dominoes such as the Philippines or Australia

Neither s korea or japan have nukes

If China suddenly threatened to invade them, how long would it take them to build some nukes?

I'd say South Korea, a week at most.
Japan, maybe an hour.

China does not have to invade and occupy south korea or japan to make them vassal state within the communist chinese orbit

the first domino is south korea

if the US is forced to withdraw from the peninsula south korea will quickly fall to the north

and that will put enormous pressure on japan to make concessions to china

if the US is forced to withdraw from the peninsula south korea will quickly fall to the north

And we'll be forced to withdraw by China destroying its own economy?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

how many months or years would it take for the US to regain independence by restarting production in the US?

maybe too long

You don't listen or read do you? If China cut us off we would have to retaliate so it is unlikely that they would do that. Now do you understand?

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

the just-in-time manufacturing model means we are quite vulnerable to supply disruptions

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

How will China do with no new oil shipments?

 

[Mac-7]

To win the war, meaning pushing America back to hawaii, occupying south korea, japan and taiwan would be worth the temporary economic inconvenience that might cause

They're going to push us back to Hawaii by destroying tens of millions of their own jobs, eliminating their biggest source of oil buying funds and we won't do anything about it because they stopped selling us their cheap goods?

That's funny!

What are they going to do when South Korea and Japan start hitting China with nuclear bombs?

Neither s korea or japan have nukes

and neither do the next dominoes such as the Philippines or Australia

Neither s korea or japan have nukes

If China suddenly threatened to invade them, how long would it take them to build some nukes?

I'd say South Korea, a week at most.
Japan, maybe an hour.

China does not have to invade and occupy south korea or japan to make them vassal state within the communist chinese orbit

the first domino is south korea

if the US is forced to withdraw from the peninsula south korea will quickly fall to the north

and that will put enormous pressure on japan to make concessions to china

if the US is forced to withdraw from the peninsula south korea will quickly fall to the north

And we'll be forced to withdraw by China destroying its own economy?

It could happen like this

the north threatens nuclear war unless US troops are withdrawn from south korea

If the ROK refuses to demand US withdrawal the north invades and china supports its communist vassal which bring it into conflict with America

 

[Mac-7]

how many months or years would it take for the US to regain independence by restarting production in the US?

maybe too long

You don't listen or read do you? If China cut us off we would have to retaliate so it is unlikely that they would do that. Now do you understand?

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

the just-in-time manufacturing model means we are quite vulnerable to supply disruptions

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

How will China do with no new oil shipments?

China has oil from around the world and does not depend on America for that

you are thinking of Imperial Japan in 1941

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They're going to push us back to Hawaii by destroying tens of millions of their own jobs, eliminating their biggest source of oil buying funds and we won't do anything about it because they stopped selling us their cheap goods?

That's funny!

What are they going to do when South Korea and Japan start hitting China with nuclear bombs?

Neither s korea or japan have nukes

and neither do the next dominoes such as the Philippines or Australia

Neither s korea or japan have nukes

If China suddenly threatened to invade them, how long would it take them to build some nukes?

I'd say South Korea, a week at most.
Japan, maybe an hour.

China does not have to invade and occupy south korea or japan to make them vassal state within the communist chinese orbit

the first domino is south korea

if the US is forced to withdraw from the peninsula south korea will quickly fall to the north

and that will put enormous pressure on japan to make concessions to china

if the US is forced to withdraw from the peninsula south korea will quickly fall to the north

And we'll be forced to withdraw by China destroying its own economy?

It could happen like this

the north threatens nuclear war unless US troops are withdrawn from south korea

If the ROK refuses to demand US withdrawal the north invades and china supports its communist vassal which bring it into conflict with America

the north threatens nuclear war unless US troops are withdrawn from south korea

And the US says no.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

how many months or years would it take for the US to regain independence by restarting production in the US?

maybe too long

You don't listen or read do you? If China cut us off we would have to retaliate so it is unlikely that they would do that. Now do you understand?

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

the just-in-time manufacturing model means we are quite vulnerable to supply disruptions

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

How will China do with no new oil shipments?

China has oil from around the world and does not depend on America for that

you are thinking of Imperial Japan in 1941

China has oil from around the world and does not depend on America for that

If we're in a shooting war, how does that "oil from around the world" make the trip to China?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

1. You left out wages

OMG! I didn't leave them out!!!! The whole world makes less than we do and much of it less than Chinese workers earn. Tariffs and then trade wars are no solution. Do you understand now???????

The solution is becoming more competitive by dropping the anti-business liberal policies!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

2) why fight at all then ?? Why not make all imports illegal since all countries have lower wages than ours etc???

for 2nd time: why fight at all then ?? Why not make all imports illegal since all countries have lower wages than ours etc???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

if we simply diversify our supply chain over many countries and away from china that would be a good first step

for 3rd time: nice dodge. Did you know that tariffs lead to trade wars??

 

[Mac-7]

how many months or years would it take for the US to regain independence by restarting production in the US?

maybe too long

You don't listen or read do you? If China cut us off we would have to retaliate so it is unlikely that they would do that. Now do you understand?

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

the just-in-time manufacturing model means we are quite vulnerable to supply disruptions

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

How will China do with no new oil shipments?

China has oil from around the world and does not depend on America for that

you are thinking of Imperial Japan in 1941

China has oil from around the world and does not depend on America for that

If we're in a shooting war, how does that "oil from around the world" make the trip to China?

In tankers guarded by the chinese navy

or from new oil deposits discovered in the South China Sea guarded by the new islands china recently built

all at our expense since American consumers gave china the money for their new navy and expansion of territory

 

[Mac-7]

1. You left out wages

OMG! I didn't leave them out!!!! The whole world makes less than we do and much of it less than Chinese workers earn. Tariffs and then trade wars are no solution. Do you understand now???????

The solution is becoming more competitive by dropping the anti-business liberal policies!!

Having Americans work for slave wages and in slave conditions it a worse solution than tariffs

far worse

Do you understand now?

the cheap trinkets from china that globalist “free traders” love so much ultimately cost too much

 

[Mac-7]

2) why fight at all then ?? Why not make all imports illegal since all countries have lower wages than ours etc???

for 2nd time: why fight at all then ?? Why not make all imports illegal since all countries have lower wages than ours etc???

Because I am not a knee-jerk isolationist

what trump and trump voters are seeking is balanced trade that benefits all countries but does not weaken the US

for you its party today and dont think about tomorrow

 

[Mac-7]

if we simply diversify our supply chain over many countries and away from china that would be a good first step

for 3rd time: nice dodge. Did you know that tariffs lead to trade wars??

What I wrote that you call a dodge was

“if we simply diversify our supply chain over many countries and away from china that would be a good first step”

We have a $500 billion trade deficit with china

that means an extra $500 billion more in their pocket every year and $500 billion less in ours

they have more to lose from a trade war than we do

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You don't listen or read do you? If China cut us off we would have to retaliate so it is unlikely that they would do that. Now do you understand?

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

the just-in-time manufacturing model means we are quite vulnerable to supply disruptions

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

How will China do with no new oil shipments?

China has oil from around the world and does not depend on America for that

you are thinking of Imperial Japan in 1941

China has oil from around the world and does not depend on America for that

If we're in a shooting war, how does that "oil from around the world" make the trip to China?

In tankers guarded by the chinese navy

or from new oil deposits discovered in the South China Sea guarded by the new islands china recently built

all at our expense since American consumers gave china the money for their new navy and expansion of territory

In tankers guarded by the chinese navy

So when we stop the tankers, we'll also be sinking the Chinese navy. A two-fer.

 

[Mac-7]

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

the just-in-time manufacturing model means we are quite vulnerable to supply disruptions

If we are engaged in a shooting war over korea or taiwan you better believe china will embargo vital products that we need but dont produce here

How will China do with no new oil shipments?

China has oil from around the world and does not depend on America for that

you are thinking of Imperial Japan in 1941

China has oil from around the world and does not depend on America for that

If we're in a shooting war, how does that "oil from around the world" make the trip to China?

In tankers guarded by the chinese navy

or from new oil deposits discovered in the South China Sea guarded by the new islands china recently built

all at our expense since American consumers gave china the money for their new navy and expansion of territory

In tankers guarded by the chinese navy

So when we stop the tankers, we'll also be sinking the Chinese navy. A two-fer.

I mentioned a shooting war with china but it may only be a shooting war with chinas proxy north korea

in which case it would mean war with it stop the tankers

I dont know what your problem is

do you love chinese imports so much that you are willing to risk US security by our total dependance on china?