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[JStone]

Hamas And The Islamization Of Gaza: Mkhaimer Abusada, Professor Of Political Science, Al-Azhar University in Gaza.

The Gaza Strip was known as a very traditional and conservative society long before Hamas seized control of it in June 2007. The densely populated Strip is primarily inhabited by Palestinian refugees who have long suffered from poverty and negligence. But since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, it has intensified its efforts and activities to Islamize the social life of local Palestinians. Islamization of the Gaza Strip refers to the efforts and process to impose Islamic laws and tradition by force.

The process of Islamization is being imposed by the Hamas government and its security apparatuses as well as volunteer dawa groups who go from door to door asking people to adhere to Islamic laws and hijab conservative dress. Beyond its imposition of Islamic social codes on daily life, Hamas controls the social, educational and religious systems that indoctrinate the residents with Islamic values that have a long-term effect on the nature of Gazan society.

The formal educational system in Gaza (with the exception of UNRWA schools) is completely controlled by Hamas. This was facilitated by the general teachers strike at the beginning of the 2008-2009 school year. Hamas was able to replace them with its own ideologue teachers. The educational system is undergoing a process of Islamization – in August 2009, the beginning of the school year, Hamas’ Education Ministry imposed the hijab on school girls and transferred male teachers to boys schools.

The Islamization process is also facilitated by the tendencies of local residents, both male and female, to adjust themselves and conform with Hamas’ Islamic values. One of the most visible signs is the increasing number of bearded men, and women wearing hijab and veil in the streets of Gaza. Some of them grow beards for religious reasons, but women simply do not want to be harassed by Hamas “morality police” and dawa groups. These dawa groups are a civilian network of Hamas volunteers who belong to Islamic charitable societies, and deal with cultural, educational and religious matters.

The Hamas government stepped up the social Islamization process of Gaza in 2010. According to a statement released by the Palestinian Independent Commission for Human Rights in mid-September, these efforts included the repression of civil society and severe violations of personal freedom. For example, Hamas banned the smoking of nargilas (water pipes) by women in public places. Smoking and partying in a public place was the reason Hamas police closed the Beach Hotel in Gaza for three days in mid-September, as well as many other tourist places.

Crazy Water Park, one of the Gaza Strip’s most popular entertainment sites, was closed down in mid-September by Hamas police for allowing mixed swimming. Two weeks later, the site was set on fire by a group of unknown gunmen. The Hamas government issued a strong condemnation and promised to pursue the perpetrators. Although it is not clear which Islamist group was behind it, Islamist militants allegedly supported by Hamas who objected to mixed-gender socializing, are to be blamed.

A troubling development this last summer was the expanded role of Hamas’ “morality police.” The Hamas black-uniformed police began to patrol the beaches of Gaza to ensure that men and women are dressed “appropriately” and that unrelated men and women are not mingling. The morality police are monitoring public places, streets and mixed universities for any suspicious and immoral behavior.

Hamas’ strategy is to Islamize the Gaza Strip step by step to avoid provoking neighboring Arab countries and the international community. Hamas has always denied accusations of turning Gaza into an Islamic emirate, but in a very recent interview with Reuters, top Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar asked: “Is it a crime to Islamize the people? I am a Muslim living here according to our tradition. Why should I live under [Western] tradition?” Zahar defended Hamas laws and efforts, but declined to say how far it would go with Islamization.
THE DAILY STAR :: Opinion :: Commentary :: Hamas and the Islamization of Gaza

 

[ima]

Great leadership is about holding it together and doing what's right for your people.With Churchill's help the English people carried on and did not break under the Nazi attacks.

Great leadership is about holding it together and doing what's right for your people.

Amen.

Indeed Amen , but your favorite regime on the planet does not qualify for that category.
Hamas are not doing whats best for their people , they doing what's best for imaginary people in the sky ... Big difference.

So Amadinnerjacket his "holding it together" for the people iran and doing what's best for them by developing nukes because no country who has nukes has ever been attacked outright. (Things like 9/11 aren't outright war, they're just more like nuisances.)

 

[toomuchtime_]

Amen.

Indeed Amen , but your favorite regime on the planet does not qualify for that category.
Hamas are not doing whats best for their people , they doing what's best for imaginary people in the sky ... Big difference.

So Amadinnerjacket his "holding it together" for the people iran and doing what's best for them by developing nukes because no country who has nukes has ever been attacked outright. (Things like 9/11 aren't outright war, they're just more like nuisances.)

Israel was attacked by the combined strength of the Arab nations in 1967 and 1973 when it was already widely believed it had nukes.

 

[ima]

Indeed Amen , but your favorite regime on the planet does not qualify for that category.
Hamas are not doing whats best for their people , they doing what's best for imaginary people in the sky ... Big difference.

So Amadinnerjacket his "holding it together" for the people iran and doing what's best for them by developing nukes because no country who has nukes has ever been attacked outright. (Things like 9/11 aren't outright war, they're just more like nuisances.)

Israel was attacked by the combined strength of the Arab nations in 1967 and 1973 when it was already widely believed it had nukes.

That's a maybe, and at the time I don't think anyone thought that they did. And aside from that no nuclear country has been attacked for real. So for Iran's own defense, it's a good move. Just like nuking Israel would not be a very good defensive move, lol.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So Amadinnerjacket his "holding it together" for the people iran and doing what's best for them by developing nukes because no country who has nukes has ever been attacked outright. (Things like 9/11 aren't outright war, they're just more like nuisances.)

Israel was attacked by the combined strength of the Arab nations in 1967 and 1973 when it was already widely believed it had nukes.

That's a maybe, and at the time I don't think anyone thought that they did. And aside from that no nuclear country has been attacked for real. So for Iran's own defense, it's a good move. Just like nuking Israel would not be a very good defensive move, lol.

It's not a maybe. Before the 1967 war, according to a memo from the State Department to the NSA, Nasser had said

President Nasser had indicated that acquisition of a nuclear weapons capability by Israel would be cause for war no matter how suicidal for the Arabs.

Reassuring Egypt on Israeli Nuclear Reactor

Israel is believed to have begun full scale production of nuclear weapons following the 1967 Six-Day War, although it may have had bomb parts earlier. A CIA report from early 1967 stated that Israel had the materials to construct a bomb in six to eight weeks[43] and some authors suggest that Israel had two crude bombs ready for use during the war.[1

Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By 1973, no one had any doubt that Israel had nukes.

That night Meir authorized the assembly of thirteen 20-kiloton-of-TNT (84 TJ) tactical atomic weapons for Jericho missiles at Sdot Micha Airbase, and F-4 aircraft at Tel Nof Airbase, for use against Syrian and Egyptian targets.[247] They would be used if absolutely necessary to prevent total defeat, but the preparation was done in an easily detectable way, likely as a signal to the United States.[249

The sealift may have included Soviet nuclear weapons, which were not unloaded but kept in Alexandria harbor until November to counter the Israeli nuclear preparations, which Soviet satellites had detected. American concern over possible evidence of nuclear warheads for the Soviet Scud missiles in Egypt contributed to Washington's decision to go to DEFCON 3.[247]

Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Proof positive that the possession of nuclear weapons does not provide a deterrent to attack with conventional weapons.

Another example is that North Korea attacked US forces in the south despite the fact that the US had just nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki a few years before. The North Vietnamese also showed no fear of US nukes.

It makes no sense to argue that Iran would not launch a nuclear attack against Israel or the US for fear of a nuclear retaliation and then to claim the possession of nukes would serve as a deterrent to an attack with conventional weapons since Iran would also have to fear a nuclear retaliation in this case, too. In other words, if the US and Israel can be confident that Iran will not launch a nuclear attack against them, then they will not be deterred from attacking Iran with conventional weapons.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel was attacked by the combined strength of the Arab nations in 1967 and 1973 when it was already widely believed it had nukes.

That's a maybe, and at the time I don't think anyone thought that they did. And aside from that no nuclear country has been attacked for real. So for Iran's own defense, it's a good move. Just like nuking Israel would not be a very good defensive move, lol.

It's not a maybe. Before the 1967 war, according to a memo from the State Department to the NSA, Nasser had said



Reassuring Egypt on Israeli Nuclear Reactor



Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By 1973, no one had any doubt that Israel had nukes.

That night Meir authorized the assembly of thirteen 20-kiloton-of-TNT (84 TJ) tactical atomic weapons for Jericho missiles at Sdot Micha Airbase, and F-4 aircraft at Tel Nof Airbase, for use against Syrian and Egyptian targets.[247] They would be used if absolutely necessary to prevent total defeat, but the preparation was done in an easily detectable way, likely as a signal to the United States.[249

The sealift may have included Soviet nuclear weapons, which were not unloaded but kept in Alexandria harbor until November to counter the Israeli nuclear preparations, which Soviet satellites had detected. American concern over possible evidence of nuclear warheads for the Soviet Scud missiles in Egypt contributed to Washington's decision to go to DEFCON 3.[247]

Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Proof positive that the possession of nuclear weapons does not provide a deterrent to attack with conventional weapons.

Another example is that North Korea attacked US forces in the south despite the fact that the US had just nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki a few years before. The North Vietnamese also showed no fear of US nukes.

It makes no sense to argue that Iran would not launch a nuclear attack against Israel or the US for fear of a nuclear retaliation and then to claim the possession of nukes would serve as a deterrent to an attack with conventional weapons since Iran would also have to fear a nuclear retaliation in this case, too. In other words, if the US and Israel can be confident that Iran will not launch a nuclear attack against them, then they will not be deterred from attacking Iran with conventional weapons.

Fear mongering crapola. Iran is not going to attack anyone.

If Iran wasn't supporting Hezbollah and Hamas we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[ima]

Toomuch, I still say that's a maybe, the Israelis could have been pretending to have nukes by "assembling" them in the open, that's the type of thing you do when you ain't got squat, lol.

 

[toomuchtime_]

That's a maybe, and at the time I don't think anyone thought that they did. And aside from that no nuclear country has been attacked for real. So for Iran's own defense, it's a good move. Just like nuking Israel would not be a very good defensive move, lol.

It's not a maybe. Before the 1967 war, according to a memo from the State Department to the NSA, Nasser had said



Reassuring Egypt on Israeli Nuclear Reactor



Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By 1973, no one had any doubt that Israel had nukes.

The sealift may have included Soviet nuclear weapons, which were not unloaded but kept in Alexandria harbor until November to counter the Israeli nuclear preparations, which Soviet satellites had detected. American concern over possible evidence of nuclear warheads for the Soviet Scud missiles in Egypt contributed to Washington's decision to go to DEFCON 3.[247]

Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Proof positive that the possession of nuclear weapons does not provide a deterrent to attack with conventional weapons.

Another example is that North Korea attacked US forces in the south despite the fact that the US had just nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki a few years before. The North Vietnamese also showed no fear of US nukes.

It makes no sense to argue that Iran would not launch a nuclear attack against Israel or the US for fear of a nuclear retaliation and then to claim the possession of nukes would serve as a deterrent to an attack with conventional weapons since Iran would also have to fear a nuclear retaliation in this case, too. In other words, if the US and Israel can be confident that Iran will not launch a nuclear attack against them, then they will not be deterred from attacking Iran with conventional weapons.

Fear mongering crapola. Iran is not going to attack anyone.

If Iran wasn't supporting Hezbollah and Hamas we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If Iran were not currently attacking Israel through its Arab proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and frequently threatening to destroy Israel, then Israel would have less interest in Iran's nuclear weapons program, but as it is, it would be irresponsible of the Israeli government not to do whatever is necessary to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's not a maybe. Before the 1967 war, according to a memo from the State Department to the NSA, Nasser had said



Reassuring Egypt on Israeli Nuclear Reactor



Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By 1973, no one had any doubt that Israel had nukes.





Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Proof positive that the possession of nuclear weapons does not provide a deterrent to attack with conventional weapons.

Another example is that North Korea attacked US forces in the south despite the fact that the US had just nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki a few years before. The North Vietnamese also showed no fear of US nukes.

It makes no sense to argue that Iran would not launch a nuclear attack against Israel or the US for fear of a nuclear retaliation and then to claim the possession of nukes would serve as a deterrent to an attack with conventional weapons since Iran would also have to fear a nuclear retaliation in this case, too. In other words, if the US and Israel can be confident that Iran will not launch a nuclear attack against them, then they will not be deterred from attacking Iran with conventional weapons.

Fear mongering crapola. Iran is not going to attack anyone.

If Iran wasn't supporting Hezbollah and Hamas we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If Iran were not currently attacking Israel through its Arab proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and frequently threatening to destroy Israel, then Israel would have less interest in Iran's nuclear weapons program, but as it is, it would be irresponsible of the Israeli government not to do whatever is necessary to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

So, what instructions has Iran been giving to these groups?

 

[docmauser1]

If Iran wasn't supporting Hezbollah and Hamas we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Oh, so, Iran has to take appropriate steps to end the discussion, hasn't it?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Toomuch, I still say that's a maybe, the Israelis could have been pretending to have nukes by "assembling" them in the open, that's the type of thing you do when you ain't got squat, lol.

The point is that by 1973 everyone, including the US, USSR and Egypt, believed Israel had nuclear weapons and it did not deter the Arabs from attacking, and just a few years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki the North Koreans were not deterred from attacking US forces in the south and similarly the North Vietnamese were not deterred from attacking French or US forces. All of the evidence indicates that possessing even as awesome a nuclear arsenal as the US has provides no deterrence from attack by conventional forces.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Fear mongering crapola. Iran is not going to attack anyone.

If Iran wasn't supporting Hezbollah and Hamas we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If Iran were not currently attacking Israel through its Arab proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and frequently threatening to destroy Israel, then Israel would have less interest in Iran's nuclear weapons program, but as it is, it would be irresponsible of the Israeli government not to do whatever is necessary to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

So, what instructions has Iran been giving to these groups?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If Iran were not currently attacking Israel through its Arab proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and frequently threatening to destroy Israel, then Israel would have less interest in Iran's nuclear weapons program, but as it is, it would be irresponsible of the Israeli government not to do whatever is necessary to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

So, what instructions has Iran been giving to these groups?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

Nice dodge.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So, what instructions has Iran been giving to these groups?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

Nice dodge.

I responded to your post with all the seriousness it deserved.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

Nice dodge.

I responded to your post with all the seriousness it deserved.

It is just that I hear continuously that Hezbollah and Hamas are controlled by Iran but nobody has shown any evidence to back that up.

 

[JStone]

Nice dodge.

I responded to your post with all the seriousness it deserved.

It is just that I hear continuously that Hezbollah and Hamas are controlled by Iran but nobody has shown any evidence to back that up.

PFucktard



US State Department: Iran, State Sponsor of Terrorism

Overview: Designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1984, Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism in 2010. Iran’s financial, material, and logistic support for terrorist and militant groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia had a direct impact on international efforts to promote peace, threatened economic stability in the Gulf, and undermined the growth of democracy.

In 2010, Iran remained the principal supporter of groups implacably opposed to the Middle East Peace Process. The Qods Force, the external operations branch of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), is the regime’s primary mechanism for cultivating and supporting terrorists abroad. Iran provided weapons, training, and funding to Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, including the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC). Since the end of the 2006 Israeli-Hizballah conflict, Iran has assisted Hizballah in rearming, in direct violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701. Iran has provided hundreds of millions of dollars in support of Hizballah in Lebanon and has trained thousands of Hizballah fighters at camps in Iran.

Iran’s Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, such as mortars, artillery, and rockets. Since at least 2006, Iran has arranged arms shipments to select Taliban members, including small arms and associated ammunition, rocket propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 107mm rockets, and plastic explosives. Iran has shipped a large number of weapons to Kandahar, Afghanistan aiming to increase its influence in the country.

Despite its pledge to support the stabilization of Iraq, Iranian authorities continued to provide lethal support, including weapons, training, funding, and guidance, to Iraqi Shia militant groups that target U.S. and Iraqi forces. The Qods Force continued to supply Iraqi militants with Iranian-produced advanced rockets, sniper rifles, automatic weapons, and mortars that have killed Iraqi and Coalition Forces, as well as civilians. Iran was responsible for the increased lethality of some attacks on U.S. forces by providing militants with the capability to assemble explosives designed to defeat armored vehicles. The Qods Force, in concert with Lebanese Hizballah, provided training outside of Iraq as well as advisors inside Iraq for Shia militants in the construction and use of sophisticated improvised explosive device technology and other advanced weaponry.

2010 Terrorist Incidents: Jundallah, a terrorist organization that operated primarily in the province of Sistan va Balochistan of Iran, has engaged in numerous terrorist attacks within Iran. Jundallah’s primary target is the Iranian regime; however, it has also attacked many civilians. Since its inception in 2003, these attacks have resulted in the death and maiming of scores of Iranian civilians and government officials. Jundallah has used a variety of terrorist tactics, including suicide bombings, ambushes, kidnappings, and targeted assassinations. Following the February 2010 capture and execution by Iranian authorities of Jundallah’s leader, Abdul Malik Rigi, the group selected a new leader, Mohammed Dhahir Baluch, and confirmed its commitment to continue its terrorist activities. In July, Jundallah attacked the Grand Mosque in Zahedan, killing approximately 30 and injuring hundreds. On December 15, Jundallah claimed credit for another attack in the Southeastern city of Chabahar, where two suicide bombs killed at least 39 and wounded more than 100 people. In November, the United States designated Jundallah as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. (See Chapter 6, Foreign Terrorist Organizations, for more information on Jundallah.)

Legislation and Law Enforcement: In 2010, Iran remained unwilling to bring to justice senior al-Qa’ida (AQ) members it continued to detain, and refused to publicly identify those senior members in its custody. Iran has repeatedly resisted numerous calls to transfer custody of its AQ detainees to their countries of origin or third countries for trial.

In June, Iranian authorities executed former Jundallah leader Abdul Malik Rigi. In December, Iranian authorities executed 11 members of Jundallah reportedly connected to the July mosque attack.
Country Reports on Terrorism 2010 State Sponsors of Terrorism

 

[P F Tinmore]

US State Department

 

[toomuchtime_]

Nice dodge.

I responded to your post with all the seriousness it deserved.

It is just that I hear continuously that Hezbollah and Hamas are controlled by Iran but nobody has shown any evidence to back that up.

I wouldn't say Hamas and Hezbollah are completely controlled by Iran. I mean they have other interests such as imprisoning or murdering their critics, and in the case of Hamas, preventing democratic elections and growing rich by preventing trade with Israel so that they can charge higher prices for smuggled goods.

 

[JStone]

US State Department

Sit in the dunce's corner and maybe someone there will award you your first rep point after 3 years

PFucktard


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[P F Tinmore]

I responded to your post with all the seriousness it deserved.

It is just that I hear continuously that Hezbollah and Hamas are controlled by Iran but nobody has shown any evidence to back that up.

I wouldn't say Hamas and Hezbollah are completely controlled by Iran. I mean they have other interests such as imprisoning or murdering their critics, and in the case of Hamas, preventing democratic elections and growing rich by preventing trade with Israel so that they can charge higher prices for smuggled goods.

You sure suck up that propaganda.