Do you notice how RWs never establish a line on their 2nd amendment rights?

[danielpalos]

Only well regulated militia of the People, may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for the security needs of their State or the Union.

BULLSHIT!!! You're making shit up again.

Where does it state that only a well regulated militia get to bear arms???

It SPECIFICALLY identifies a RIGHT of individuals that shall not be infringed. Why? Because a militia is necessary. NOT: you must have a militia to have the right. NOT: until a militia is no longer necessary. NOT: until firearms are too powerful. NOT: until communist fucks decide they want to confiscate!!!

The well regulated part, dear. Now you know, why the left should not take the right wing or gun lovers in particular, seriously about the law or economics.

 

[danielpalos]

Nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law of economics.

What the fuck does this have to do with 2A?

More than You do.

 

[danielpalos]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
How can you possibly spin this into meaning anything but stating a need to secure rights? It does not command states organize militias or the people to be militiamen. It simply states a need or a reason to WHAT? See the second half---

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms
As in, the already-existing, inalienable, individual right to keep and bear arms...

shall not be infringed
Shall = must
Shall not = must not
in·fringe
inˈfrinj/
verb

1. actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.).
   "making an unauthorized copy would infringe copyright"
   synonyms: contravene, violate, transgress, break, breach; More
   • act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.

The ONLY thing the 2A MANDATES is that the Federal Government SHALL NOT INFRINGE on the RIGHT of the individuals to keep and bear arms.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN???

Congress shall make no law prohibiting the possession of ANY weapon.

And, thanks to the alleged brilliance of the 14th Amendment, now no STATE can make a law infringing on the right of the individuals to have any weapon available.

Scalia did state in dicta in the Heller decision that congress could restrict the possession of unusual and dangerous weapons. Absent a specific example, I would limit that restriction to nuclear weapons, bio weapons, and other WMD. One can hardly claim that a belt-fed fully automatic light machine gun is an unusual weapon.

But, I digress...

Fuck commies..

Just clueless and Causeless, right wingers?

The People are the Militia. Only the Organized militia is Necessary, not gun lovers on the right wing.

 

[danielpalos]

Acquire and possess is a natural right. Keep and bear is for well regulated militia, for the security needs of their State or the Union.

No, see, that would require you to read more into the 2A than is there. It does not say "the right of militias to keep and bear arms." It says the (already-existing, inalienable) right of the people (individuals) to keep and bear arms.

It already presumed that people (individuals) have the right to keep and bear arms. It simply states that the Federal Government shall not infringe on that right. It is no different in meaning than stating the following:

Congress shall make no law infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

It means the same thing.

No, it doesn't. Y'all are just clueless and Causeless, like usual for the right wing.

 

[danielpalos]

Militia service is not a natural right. Natural rights are not in question.

The right to bear arms is a natural right. Do you even "John Locke" bro?

No, it isn't. The right to acquire and possess is a natural right. Militia service is an obligation of the People.

You know --- I am continually amazed at the level of ignorance espoused by the left today.

The 1st and 2nd Amendments are an excellent example.

The 1st Amendment clearly limits the government from passing laws abridging several enumerated rights. It says nothing - not a single word - about me abridging your right to speak. The government - not me - not BLM - not Antifa. It is NOT unconstitutional for BLM to block speeches at UC Berkeley - it might be an illegal activity, but it isn't unconstitutional. You will notice that the blockers aren't charged with preventing the speech -they're always charged with rioting, blocking an event, trespassing, whatever the hell the cops can find. But, they're blocking your speech is, in fact, an expression of their freedom of speech (which is NOT guaranteed by the 1st Amendment)

The 2nd Amendment is the same - it prevents the GOVERNMENT from passing laws infringing on the rights of the people to bear arms. "Why" isn't the issue - the attempts to parse the wording in order to arrive at a contorted definition in order to fit a preconceived political position are, simply, wrongheaded.

The Constitution is a restrictive document - it does not "grant" rights to anybody. If it ain't restricted by the Constitution, it's legal. Some would say - myself included - if it isn't SPECIFICALLY restricted by the Constitution, it's legal.

Just lousy reading comprehension? The Second Amendment proclaims what is necessary to the security of a free State; it is most definitely, not about natural rights.

See what i mean????

The purpose of the Constitution is to place restrictions on the government ---- period.

The 2nd Amendment does just that - nothing more, nothing less. "... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Quit trying to make bullshit out of banana peels.

The People who are the well regulated militia, are part of government when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

the right wing simply appeals to ignorance regarding natural rights and militia service.

 

[danielpalos]

This proves that the far left wants to trash the constitution as it interferes with their agenda!

beats nothing but the ignorance of nothing but repeal.

 

[danielpalos]

'Do you notice how RWs never establish a line on their 2nd amendment rights?'

Notice how liberals do the same thing with ABORTIONS?

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The right wing has a problem with both.

 

[Spare_change]

It is a declaration for the UnOrganized militia to Yield, to well regulated militia when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

But, the right of individual still shall not be infringed. PERIOD!!! It states a reason, not a mandate.

Why is that so hard to get through your communist, freedom-hating skull?

dear, Only the organized militia is Necessary to the security of a free State, not unorganized gun lovers. it really is that simple.

Ignorance abounds.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So, now that we beat the fuck out of these retarded "arguments" about the militia being necessary for the right to bear arms, can we all agree that "shall not be infringed" means shall not be infringed?


We're going to repeal the fuck out of all gun laws, you cocksucking commies. It is over. Your communist revolution has failed. Cry in your pinko appletinis.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

'Do you notice how RWs never establish a line on their 2nd amendment rights?'

Notice how liberals do the same thing with ABORTIONS?

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The right wing has a problem with both.

An ounce of commie bullshit is worth a kiloton of TNT.

Fuck your prevention lies and bullshit. You can't prevent shit but our freedom.

 

[Markle]

Which of course in no way contradicts what I said. It was their position in response to Vegas.

Cute try.

 

[Markle]

All of those guns are owned by only 20% of the people. You people are nuts.

Good catch on the 60% I posted.

Gun Ownership Statistics in the US
Firearms are classified as handguns, rifles, and shotguns. In the United States over 300 million people own firearms. Of this, 100 million own handguns. The following statistics portray current gun ownership statistics in the US.

1. 40-45% of 47-53 million Americans have a household with a gun.
2. 30-34% of 70-80 million Americans own a gun.
3. 17-19% of 40-45 million adults own a handgun.

 

[Markle]

Militia service is not a natural right. Natural rights are not in question.

The right to bear arms is a natural right. Do you even "John Locke" bro?

No, it isn't. The right to acquire and possess is a natural right. Militia service is an obligation of the People.

 

[danielpalos]

It is a declaration for the UnOrganized militia to Yield, to well regulated militia when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

But, the right of individual still shall not be infringed. PERIOD!!! It states a reason, not a mandate.

Why is that so hard to get through your communist, freedom-hating skull?

dear, Only the organized militia is Necessary to the security of a free State, not unorganized gun lovers. it really is that simple.

Ignorance abounds.

Only on Your part, right wingers.

Only the organized militia is Necessary to the security of a free State, not unorganized gun lovers. it really is that simple.

 

[danielpalos]

So, now that we beat the fuck out of these retarded "arguments" about the militia being necessary for the right to bear arms, can we all agree that "shall not be infringed" means shall not be infringed?


We're going to repeal the fuck out of all gun laws, you cocksucking commies. It is over. Your communist revolution has failed. Cry in your pinko appletinis.

Nothing but appeals to ignorance, right wingers?

Only well regulated militia may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

It says nothing about acquiring and possessing Arms; that is a natural right secured in State Constitutions.

 

[danielpalos]

'Do you notice how RWs never establish a line on their 2nd amendment rights?'

Notice how liberals do the same thing with ABORTIONS?

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The right wing has a problem with both.

An ounce of commie bullshit is worth a kiloton of TNT.

Fuck your prevention lies and bullshit. You can't prevent shit but our freedom.

Only the right wing Has to lie. That is how worth-less, y'all really are.

 

[Norman]

RWs have a child-like fantasy when it comes to guns. They delude themselves into dreaming of one day being an armed hero. This can range from taking down a home intruder to shooting fascist thugs trying to steal their liberty! The truth of the matter is that when it comes to pulling the trigger, many wouid puss out in such situations. The idea of it just gives them the feels so they insist on no gun control whatsoever.

Of course, what question they can’t answer is where they draw the line.

Do they want ANYONE to be able to carry fully automatic weapons anywhere, anytime? If that hypothetical is answered as a “no”, then what does that say about their 2nd amendment rights? It’s fallacious thinking, but these are republicans afterall.

^^ This is the very fascist that's going to take your liberty. Now that you have identified yourself, precautions are warranted.

He will do just about anything for his free shit, or as he would sugar coat it "equality".

 

[danielpalos]

Well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State.

Don't be lazy gun lovers, have a militia work ethic, not just a fishing work ethic from the Age of Iron.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

In my own words:
Because a militia is necessary for a free state, the federal government is not going to infringe on an individual's right to bear arms.

Nowhere does it require a militia. It simply states that one is necessary for a state to be secure. It does not say that membership in a militia is a prerequisite to the individual's right to bear arms.

In order for th commie fag interpretation to work, it must state:

A militia is required before people have the right to bear arms.

You are a fucking moron. Ignorance and bullshittery is all on you. Fuck off and die, commie. You will always try to grab all the guns, and I will always demand more guns with more fire power...because you are a pussy.

When this fight actually comes down to a battle (probably not, because you and your ilk are afraid of guns), I will gleefully use my guns as they were intended.

We will have state-of-the-art machine guns in 3 years. There is nothing you weaponless commies can do about it but shit your pants and cry. You are all pussies.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State.

...does not change anything about the right to bear arms.