Do You Support The "Gun Show Loophole?"

Do You Support The "Gun Show Loophole?"


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You know why it cools down so fast? Because it is a fucking weak ass gun that barely penetrates human skin, which also explains why the US military now uses a higher caliber weapon despite the advantages of not loading down the troops with the heavier ammo.

As for all the sights, you can do that with any rifle made.

You are full of shit, Windbag, and the fact that the military uses it shows how full of shit you are. It'll penetrate more than skin and is liable to go right through you if it misses bone. The M-16 was considered an inhumane weapon in Vietnam, because of the way the bullet would start to tumble and travel to places all over the body. That happens with a very high speed bullet.
Once again, you show that you don't know your ass from a hot rock.

Military 556mm and civilian .223 are different rounds, ignoramus.
The 5.56×45mm NATO (official NATO nomenclature 5.56 NATO) is a rifle cartridge developed in the United States and originally chambered in the M16 rifle. Under STANAG 4172, it is a standard cartridge for NATO forces as well as many non-NATO countries.[2] It is derived from, but not identical to, the .223 Remington cartridge. When the bullet impacts at high velocity and yaws[3] in tissue, fragmentation creates a rapid transfer of energy which can result in dramatic wounding effects

5.56×45mm NATO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're dumber than dirt on the subject of firearms...You really should go post about something you know about...Like masturbation. :lol:

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No shit, but what does that have to do with the rounds cops use?
 
The Constitution doesn't give you the right to vote and only prohibits denying people's rights as citizens. How can you claim the person voting has to register, but a gun owner can't be required to register? The fact is the state requires a person to register to vote and the state can require a registration to own a firearm. The Constitution only prohibits disarming the populace and that is a right involvng the general public and not an individual's right in the sense of applying it to themselves. A person can be disarmed without it violating the Constitution. A person has the right to not have the populace disarmed.

That is the biggest pile of circular drivel you have posted so far. Voting requires registration simply because they have to know how many people are voting, and who votes where. Owning a gun you keep in your home requires none of that. States may require a CCW that shows you are capable of concealed carry, and that is mostly for your own protection so a police officer knows you are allowed to carry.

IF you didnt have voter rolls, you couldnt know who could vote, where the vote came from, and how many representatives a given area gets. Guns require no such information to own.

The Constitution didn't give you the right to vote. It prohibited denying the rights of a citizen, because of race and later gender. The right to vote comes from the states giving those voting rights to it's citizens. The right to vote had conditions which infringed the right of certain citizens until the Constitution changed that.

Voter registration rolls have nothing to do with how many representatives a given area gets and that is done by the census.

The Constitution only prohibits the disarming of the populace and the states and federal government do have a right to deny certain types of weapons, as long as it isn't the whole category, such as pistols. That decision is only based on case law. An assault weapons ban is constitutional and so are bans on magazine sizes.
FOR THE 100,000 TIME
In order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, and the kind in common use at the time.
Miller vs. U.S.
 
The Constitution didn't give you the right to vote. It prohibited denying the rights of a citizen, because of race and later gender. The right to vote comes from the states giving those voting rights to it's citizens. The right to vote had conditions which infringed the right of certain citizens until the Constitution changed that.

Voter registration rolls have nothing to do with how many representatives a given area gets and that is done by the census.

The Constitution only prohibits the disarming of the populace and the states and federal government do have a right to deny certain types of weapons, as long as it isn't the whole category, such as pistols. That decision is only based on case law. An assault weapons ban is constitutional and so are bans on magazine sizes.

Nope, they are not. or at least they should not be except for courts that make law instead of interpret it.

Congratulations, you actually made your first point about the census.

Yes, but the state consitutions gave voting rights, and the consitution said that if you could vote for the states lower house, you could vote for the house. senators were by state legislature, and president was by electors, and you could vote for electors if you could vote for the lower house.


And if you want to INFRINGE on gun owner rights, amend the consitution. If it SOOOO popular, you should have no problem getting the required votes in the chambers, and the 3/4 states.

The only way you can infringe the 2nd Amendment is to disarm the populace. As far as the other things go, you aren't going to get a court decision in your favor, so get used to it. Places like New York will get laws requiring registration of firearms. It's just a matter of time.

Then its time to remove or replace the government, via elections, or if they really force it, something else.

You can be a sheep your whole life. I will not be.
 
Then you are not looking very hard. Does the Government require the private seller of an automobile to copy the drivers license and proof of insurance when selling a car as Dealers are required to do?

Does the Government require private dealers to offer a limited warranty on a car as they do Dealers?

Dealers are not required to copy licence & insurance info to sell a car.

Actually in most states they are, because they are needed to process the registration.

If you think REALLY HARD, you will realize why what you posted does not contradict what I posted in any way.
 
You just can't stop talking about me, can you?

I simply said firearms weren't the only type of arm in those days. Swords were also arms of that day and so were knives. Even a cannon was an type of arm of that day.

A cannon was not a tyoe of arm.
Another blooper by the Blooper in Chief of USMB.

Nuclear arms aren't arms, right?

Arms just means weapon, so try a dictionary!

Nope artillery.
 
Nope, they are not. or at least they should not be except for courts that make law instead of interpret it.

Congratulations, you actually made your first point about the census.

Yes, but the state consitutions gave voting rights, and the consitution said that if you could vote for the states lower house, you could vote for the house. senators were by state legislature, and president was by electors, and you could vote for electors if you could vote for the lower house.


And if you want to INFRINGE on gun owner rights, amend the consitution. If it SOOOO popular, you should have no problem getting the required votes in the chambers, and the 3/4 states.

The only way you can infringe the 2nd Amendment is to disarm the populace. As far as the other things go, you aren't going to get a court decision in your favor, so get used to it. Places like New York will get laws requiring registration of firearms. It's just a matter of time.

Then its time to remove or replace the government, via elections, or if they really force it, something else.

You can be a sheep your whole life. I will not be.

Anytime you gun nutters feel froggy, jump! We would be glad to get rid of you.
 
Then you are not looking very hard. Does the Government require the private seller of an automobile to copy the drivers license and proof of insurance when selling a car as Dealers are required to do?

Does the Government require private dealers to offer a limited warranty on a car as they do Dealers?


Dealers are not required to copy licence & insurance info to sell a car.
No, but they are required to collect a lot of other personal info, per USAPATRIOT Act, that is just plain creepy.

Explain, in detail, EXACTLY what information a dealer is required to collect before selling a car. Be specific.
 
A cannon was not a tyoe of arm.
Another blooper by the Blooper in Chief of USMB.

Nuclear arms aren't arms, right?

Arms just means weapon, so try a dictionary!

Nope artillery.

Let me know when you write the dictionary or determine the meaning of anything!

A weapon, especially a firearm:

Source: arms - definition of arms by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
 
Dealers are not required to copy licence & insurance info to sell a car.
No, but they are required to collect a lot of other personal info, per USAPATRIOT Act, that is just plain creepy.

Explain, in detail, EXACTLY what information a dealer is required to collect before selling a car. Be specific.
Your Slave Surveillance Number, for one...Which is none of their goddamn business.
 
A spin off of the other thread where I have asked numerous times and not a single right winger has answered, is if you support the gun show loophole.

For those that may not know, under current federal law if you wish to purchases a firearm, you have to be run in a background check to make sure you are not a felon, been convicted of a violent crime, been in a mental institution, etc,..before they give the go ahead to sell that person a weapon. However under the "gun show loophole", there are not background checks at all.

That's right, absoutly nothing. A violent thug fresh out of the penitentiary, a terrorist, or a nutcases ready to commit the next sandy hook could go down to their local gun show, or find a classified ad selling a firearm and they could purchase deadly weapons, with no questions asked.

Selling a firearm to a felon is already illegal, even if you are NOT a federal firearms dealer.

and what is the difference between a craiglist ad and some guy arranging a street buy for you?

More restrictions on legal gunowners, and no effect on the illegal gun trade.

That's how the loophole works. While the felon will be committing another felony by owning the gun, the seller is good to go as they do not have to ask any questions or ask the buyer to undergo a background check.
The only answer, which would never make it through the courts, is a federal law requiring the registration and tracking of all firearms, similar to what's done with motor vehicles. Guns would be registered when they are initially sold. Like a car, when the gun is sold, the buyer and the seller must report the sale. If a gun is stolen and not reported, the owner faces a penalty if the gun is used in the commission of a crime. In effect, we would be saying that tracking the ownership of guns is as important as tracking the ownership of cars.
 
It has nothing to do with how they 'look'. It has to do with the vast amount of human carnage they inflict in a very, very short time span.

Here is how a Police Chief explains the true purpose of a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle before Congress:

"We use that weapon in police because of its technical capability, it's ability to cool down and handle round after round after round ... It's rugged...it's meant for a combat or environment that one would be placed in facing adversaries, human beings, people. That weapon can be retrofitted with other devices to enhance your offensive capability. The weapon itself has features to adjust it -- optics sights, for example -- that can cost hundreds of dollars, and I've shot this weapon many times -- that would enhance our capability in various tactical maneuvers, whether [you're firing] from the shoulder or the hip or whether you choose to spray fire that weapon or individually shoot from the shoulder. The optic sights are amazing, the technology advances that weapon has.

That weapon is the weapon of our time. It’s the place that we find ourselves in today. And, certainly, I believe it’s meant for the battlefield and in a public safety environment only."

You know why it cools down so fast? Because it is a fucking weak ass gun that barely penetrates human skin, which also explains why the US military now uses a higher caliber weapon despite the advantages of not loading down the troops with the heavier ammo.

As for all the sights, you can do that with any rifle made.

You are full of shit, Windbag, and the fact that the military uses it shows how full of shit you are. It'll penetrate more than skin and is liable to go right through you if it misses bone. The M-16 was considered an inhumane weapon in Vietnam, because of the way the bullet would start to tumble and travel to places all over the body. That happens with a very high speed bullet.

God and goddess, this is like debating a mental patient. The .223 round will not exit a person...a lead-core round tends to fragment upon impact (as do many rifle rounds). It is a high-velocity round, but a small one...it gets its kinetic energy from velocity, not mass.
 
No, but they are required to collect a lot of other personal info, per USAPATRIOT Act, that is just plain creepy.

Explain, in detail, EXACTLY what information a dealer is required to collect before selling a car. Be specific.
Your Slave Surveillance Number, for one...Which is none of their goddamn business.

False. Bought two cars at dealers. Neither one got my SSN. Try again!
 
You just can't stop talking about me, can you?

I simply said firearms weren't the only type of arm in those days. Swords were also arms of that day and so were knives. Even a cannon was an type of arm of that day.

A cannon was not a tyoe of arm.
Another blooper by the Blooper in Chief of USMB.

Nuclear arms aren't arms, right?

Arms just means weapon, so try a dictionary!

Lesson II.-Manual of Arms.
PART SECOND SECOND.
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[ame=http://youtu.be/ROvF53D24p8]stack arms 2 - YouTube[/ame]
 
The only way you can infringe the 2nd Amendment is to disarm the populace. As far as the other things go, you aren't going to get a court decision in your favor, so get used to it. Places like New York will get laws requiring registration of firearms. It's just a matter of time.

Then its time to remove or replace the government, via elections, or if they really force it, something else.

You can be a sheep your whole life. I will not be.

Anytime you gun nutters feel froggy, jump! We would be glad to get rid of you.

Never happen. Go back to your Government 101 class and have the progressive de jour professor fill your head with more junk.
 
Dealers are not required to copy licence & insurance info to sell a car.

Actually in most states they are, because they are needed to process the registration.

If you think REALLY HARD, you will realize why what you posted does not contradict what I posted in any way.

Well let me think, you said dealers are not required to copy license and insurance info to sell a car. I said they are required to do so, last I looked they would be contradictory statements. A dealer can't allow you to drive away in a car without making sure you have a license and insurance, and he can't process the registration without those included in most states. Every car I've bought from a dealer, they took copies of both. There, does that help?
 
so what does this background check get me? again, the majority of the gun violence occurs with the criminal element. how many of them get a gun through the system? they don't. it's black market

Again - no law is perfect or catches 100% of the offenders. Criminals always find a way around it if they want to badly enough. You're position is basically stating there is no need for any criminal laws because they'll find a way around it.

So let me ask this question again.

Ok, I missed the first time you asked it.

No one supporting background checks seem to want to answer it. We do this background check and we some how determine this person is not fit to own a gun becasue we feel they are at risk of killing someone with it. So do we just not allow them to have a gun and move on? or do we take it a step further and intrude in their lives additionally and make sure they don't commit murder by some other method?

No.

They have broken no laws.

And, the purpose of a background check is not simply because they might commit murder - one of largest (and often ignored) categories of gun violence - especially with impulse busy - is suicide. In addition, convicted felons are barred from having guns and that would be picked up on a background check.

because you know once you start labeling someone as a potential risk, you know they are. So when they do snap in some other form you are going to have a lawsuit, because you had prior knowledge they were a risk.

Potential is only that - potential.

A background check is NOT an in depth psychiatric evaluation and no court would presume it was - it is simply stating that for some reason - that person should not have a gun. In terms of mental fitness the only thing, at this point, that a background check will show is whether or not that person was ever admitted into an institution or has a court record of mental illness problems. It's limited in that way, but it's better than nothing.
 
The only way you can infringe the 2nd Amendment is to disarm the populace. As far as the other things go, you aren't going to get a court decision in your favor, so get used to it. Places like New York will get laws requiring registration of firearms. It's just a matter of time.

Then its time to remove or replace the government, via elections, or if they really force it, something else.

You can be a sheep your whole life. I will not be.

Anytime you gun nutters feel froggy, jump! We would be glad to get rid of you.

Funny, that's what Stalin and Mao said, good job baby boy, you're right up there with your heroes.
 
What was there like 35 to 50 homicides by gun that year in the UK and 11,000 here?

Homicides by gun are increasing. Uou claim they will end if we ban guns and track all weapons.

You are wrong, end of discussion.

Post where I said anything about banning guns! You make up shit, Windbag, so you can't even deal with the simple reality of what someone has said. When you aren't correct about what someone has said, you can't be correct evaluating what was said. That was just another insane impulse where mind keeps telling you they will ban guns, whether they said it or not.

Either post a quote of what wasn't said or just admit you're a lying ass loser! We know which choice that will be.


Guns are not banned in the UK. It is perfectly legal to won them, as long as you accept the government registration program. That is exactly what you want to do here, and you are trying to deflect this into a debate about something else rather than admit you are wrong.

If only I was stupid enough to cooperate.
 

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