CDZ Do you think that a revolution or uprising in America is inevitable in the future? Or incredibly unl

[there4eyeM]

People won't even go vote to throw out the House at the two year occasion to do so. How can it be imagined that they would take up arms in a revolution? The scenario where that would happen is nearly impossible to envision.

 

[Political Junky]

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DAVID GREENE, HOST:

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[dcraelin]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

That is a bunch of malarkey. Any amendment of the Constitution would have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. Most of the people opposed to this process would like to abolish individual State sovereignty and replace it with a dictatorial national government.

Article V is being pushed by ALEC. A group of corporations that write legislation that benefits themselves. This is no malarkey. This is fact.

Well then I say call their bluff......have a convention and make sure that all points of view are heard and debated....if so I have confidence the nefarious purposes of ALEC will be crushed, they will be
hoisted with their own petard as the saying goes.

 

[dcraelin]

People won't even go vote to throw out the House at the two year occasion to do so. How can it be imagined that they would take up arms in a revolution? The scenario where that would happen is nearly impossible to envision.

They have been fooled by a corrupt "two-party" system...thats part of what needs to change

 

[Disir]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

That is a bunch of malarkey. Any amendment of the Constitution would have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. Most of the people opposed to this process would like to abolish individual State sovereignty and replace it with a dictatorial national government.

Article V is being pushed by ALEC. A group of corporations that write legislation that benefits themselves. This is no malarkey. This is fact.

Well then I say call their bluff......have a convention and make sure that all points of view are heard and debated....if so I have confidence the nefarious purposes of ALEC will be crushed, they will be
hoisted with their own petard as the saying goes.

Call their bluff? Seriously? What kind of a group do you think you are dealing with?

 

[Rambunctious]

An uprising? Obama would love that to happen but most people live in today's world he lives in 1950 and breaths hate with every breath like many libs here.

 

[Darkwind]

It has a decidedly American bent. There is a reason the Founding Fathers provided Article V of the Constitution. We have come to the point where government is out of control and needs to be reigned in.

Clearly, our elected representatives have neither the vision or desire to do what is right by the country and our liberty. Their sole focus in on the acquisition of power, or retaining their existing power.

This is why US representation and the White House are not as important as control of the State Legislatures. With the majority of the States, the US Congress is powerless to stop the States from regaining their place in our government and they can return the Federal Government back to what it was intended to be. Our united front to the world, but leaving domestic policy to the States.

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

Not really. An organization that wishes to restrict federal power while promoting States rights is exactly what we need.

Besides, it will be the State Legislatures that will be calling for the State Convention. It will be those legislatures that will set the agenda and priorities, along with the subject matter of the convention.

Returning power to the States and limiting the Federal government to working on our behalf in world affairs is the correct thing to do.

This is from ALEC
Article V Handbook - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

They are most active in the states. These folks write state legislation.

National Chair
Mr. Bill CarmichaelAmerican Bail Coalition




Private Enterprise Council Members
Ms. Cynthia Bergman
Exxon Mobil Corporation

Ms. Sano BlockerEnergy Future Holdings


Mr. Jeff BondPhRMA


Mr. Josh BrownPfizer Inc.


Mr. Steve DelBianco
NetChoice

Ms. Marianna Eterno
Guarantee Trust Life Insurance Company

Mr. Kenneth LaneDiageo North America, Inc.


Mr. Bill LeahyAT&T


Mr. Don LeeK-12, Inc.


Mr. Kelly Mader

Mr. Stephen Moore

Mr. Michael MorganKoch Companies Public Sector, LLC


Mr. Daniel Smith
Altria Client Services

Mr. Roland Spies
State Farm Insurance Companies

Mr. Pat Thomas
United Parcel Service

Mr. Bob Williams
State Budget Solutions

Mr. Steve Woods
National Federation of Independent Business
Private Enterprise Advisory Council - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

Yes, and what they do is:

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a nonprofit organization of conservative state legislators and private sector representatives that drafts and shares model state-level legislation for distribution among state governments in the United States.[4][5][6] According to its website, ALEC "works to advance the fundamental principles of free-market enterprise, limited government, and federalism at the state level through a nonpartisan public-private partnership of America's state legislators, members of the private sector and the general public".[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

Doesn't sound like some evil empire thing to Me.

So, you wished to be ruled by corporations?

No, and your assertion is incorrect.

 

[Darkwind]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

That is a bunch of malarkey. Any amendment of the Constitution would have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. Most of the people opposed to this process would like to abolish individual State sovereignty and replace it with a dictatorial national government.

Article V is being pushed by ALEC. A group of corporations that write legislation that benefits themselves. This is no malarkey. This is fact.

Well then I say call their bluff......have a convention and make sure that all points of view are heard and debated....if so I have confidence the nefarious purposes of ALEC will be crushed, they will be
hoisted with their own petard as the saying goes.

They disagree with the political ideology, so they assign some kind of nefarious, evil intent to the organization. People have been so conditioned to do that, they don't even realize they are doing it.

 

[Darkwind]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

That is a bunch of malarkey. Any amendment of the Constitution would have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. Most of the people opposed to this process would like to abolish individual State sovereignty and replace it with a dictatorial national government.

Article V is being pushed by ALEC. A group of corporations that write legislation that benefits themselves. This is no malarkey. This is fact.

They do push legislation. They do not push legislation that benefits ONLY themselves.

Who else pushes legislation? The DNC. Unions. There are literally hundreds of left wing organizations that push legislation, for nothing more than their own causes. It is how the system works. Article V is also how the system works.

 

[dcraelin]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

That is a bunch of malarkey. Any amendment of the Constitution would have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. Most of the people opposed to this process would like to abolish individual State sovereignty and replace it with a dictatorial national government.

Article V is being pushed by ALEC. A group of corporations that write legislation that benefits themselves. This is no malarkey. This is fact.

Well then I say call their bluff......have a convention and make sure that all points of view are heard and debated....if so I have confidence the nefarious purposes of ALEC will be crushed, they will be
hoisted with their own petard as the saying goes.

Call their bluff? Seriously? What kind of a group do you think you are dealing with?

A group that doesnt really want a constitutional convention is my guess. ...A group that does pretty well under the system as it is.

 

[dcraelin]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

That is a bunch of malarkey. Any amendment of the Constitution would have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. Most of the people opposed to this process would like to abolish individual State sovereignty and replace it with a dictatorial national government.

Article V is being pushed by ALEC. A group of corporations that write legislation that benefits themselves. This is no malarkey. This is fact.

Well then I say call their bluff......have a convention and make sure that all points of view are heard and debated....if so I have confidence the nefarious purposes of ALEC will be crushed, they will be
hoisted with their own petard as the saying goes.

They disagree with the political ideology, so they assign some kind of nefarious, evil intent to the organization. People have been so conditioned to do that, they don't even realize they are doing it.

their political ideology is self serving. "Evil" is over-the-top....but it isnt a organization concerned with the well being of average americans.

 

[dcraelin]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

That is a bunch of malarkey. Any amendment of the Constitution would have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. Most of the people opposed to this process would like to abolish individual State sovereignty and replace it with a dictatorial national government.

Article V is being pushed by ALEC. A group of corporations that write legislation that benefits themselves. This is no malarkey. This is fact.

They do push legislation. They do not push legislation that benefits ONLY themselves.

Who else pushes legislation? The DNC. Unions. There are literally hundreds of left wing organizations that push legislation, for nothing more than their own causes. It is how the system works. Article V is also how the system works.

union causes are for large groups of workers.....they represent, if not directly, the interests of the vast majority of the nation, or at least think they do. as I would argue do most left win organizations, environmental causes etc.

 

[westwall]

My thoughts are so clear and simple:
Given the state of the economy, the growing disparity of wealth, joblessness, and increasing negative views of the government, do you think it will hit a breaking point where Americans decide to revolt and overthrow the government/wealthy elite?
Or is that more likely an extreme scenario that will never happen?
Your opinion of the future of America's state of affairs?

It is inevitable. That is the natural life cycle of countries. The only question is how severe it is and what sort of government results. The majority change to dictatorships and the cycle of oppression starts over.

 

[Darkwind]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

That is a bunch of malarkey. Any amendment of the Constitution would have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. Most of the people opposed to this process would like to abolish individual State sovereignty and replace it with a dictatorial national government.

Article V is being pushed by ALEC. A group of corporations that write legislation that benefits themselves. This is no malarkey. This is fact.

They do push legislation. They do not push legislation that benefits ONLY themselves.

Who else pushes legislation? The DNC. Unions. There are literally hundreds of left wing organizations that push legislation, for nothing more than their own causes. It is how the system works. Article V is also how the system works.

union causes are for large groups of workers.....they represent, if not directly, the interests of the vast majority of the nation, or at least think they do. as I would argue do most left win organizations, environmental causes etc.

I disagree. Union causes are for the leadership of the unions. They are in it for themselves.

Everyone has an agenda. ALEC is no different.

However, it does not matter one whit if ALEC or any other group is backing the movement. If the people, through their state legislatures, get a article 5 convention going, then the sponsors won't matter that much during the open debates.

Either way, its time to take some of the power away from the US government. If nothing else, a solid wake up call to those who have been in the Congress for 15, 20, 25+ years.

 

[Disir]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

Not really. An organization that wishes to restrict federal power while promoting States rights is exactly what we need.

Besides, it will be the State Legislatures that will be calling for the State Convention. It will be those legislatures that will set the agenda and priorities, along with the subject matter of the convention.

Returning power to the States and limiting the Federal government to working on our behalf in world affairs is the correct thing to do.

This is from ALEC
Article V Handbook - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

They are most active in the states. These folks write state legislation.

National Chair
Mr. Bill CarmichaelAmerican Bail Coalition




Private Enterprise Council Members
Ms. Cynthia Bergman
Exxon Mobil Corporation

Ms. Sano BlockerEnergy Future Holdings


Mr. Jeff BondPhRMA


Mr. Josh BrownPfizer Inc.


Mr. Steve DelBianco
NetChoice

Ms. Marianna Eterno
Guarantee Trust Life Insurance Company

Mr. Kenneth LaneDiageo North America, Inc.


Mr. Bill LeahyAT&T


Mr. Don LeeK-12, Inc.


Mr. Kelly Mader

Mr. Stephen Moore

Mr. Michael MorganKoch Companies Public Sector, LLC


Mr. Daniel Smith
Altria Client Services

Mr. Roland Spies
State Farm Insurance Companies

Mr. Pat Thomas
United Parcel Service

Mr. Bob Williams
State Budget Solutions

Mr. Steve Woods
National Federation of Independent Business
Private Enterprise Advisory Council - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

Yes, and what they do is:

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a nonprofit organization of conservative state legislators and private sector representatives that drafts and shares model state-level legislation for distribution among state governments in the United States.[4][5][6] According to its website, ALEC "works to advance the fundamental principles of free-market enterprise, limited government, and federalism at the state level through a nonpartisan public-private partnership of America's state legislators, members of the private sector and the general public".[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

Doesn't sound like some evil empire thing to Me.

So, you wished to be ruled by corporations?

No, and your assertion is incorrect.

Saying that doesn't make it correct. The corporations are writing legislation. It is either bad for all or just good for your team.

 

[Darkwind]

Not really. An organization that wishes to restrict federal power while promoting States rights is exactly what we need.

Besides, it will be the State Legislatures that will be calling for the State Convention. It will be those legislatures that will set the agenda and priorities, along with the subject matter of the convention.

Returning power to the States and limiting the Federal government to working on our behalf in world affairs is the correct thing to do.

This is from ALEC
Article V Handbook - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

They are most active in the states. These folks write state legislation.

National Chair
Mr. Bill CarmichaelAmerican Bail Coalition




Private Enterprise Council Members
Ms. Cynthia Bergman
Exxon Mobil Corporation

Ms. Sano BlockerEnergy Future Holdings


Mr. Jeff BondPhRMA


Mr. Josh BrownPfizer Inc.


Mr. Steve DelBianco
NetChoice

Ms. Marianna Eterno
Guarantee Trust Life Insurance Company

Mr. Kenneth LaneDiageo North America, Inc.


Mr. Bill LeahyAT&T


Mr. Don LeeK-12, Inc.


Mr. Kelly Mader

Mr. Stephen Moore

Mr. Michael MorganKoch Companies Public Sector, LLC


Mr. Daniel Smith
Altria Client Services

Mr. Roland Spies
State Farm Insurance Companies

Mr. Pat Thomas
United Parcel Service

Mr. Bob Williams
State Budget Solutions

Mr. Steve Woods
National Federation of Independent Business
Private Enterprise Advisory Council - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

Yes, and what they do is:

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a nonprofit organization of conservative state legislators and private sector representatives that drafts and shares model state-level legislation for distribution among state governments in the United States.[4][5][6] According to its website, ALEC "works to advance the fundamental principles of free-market enterprise, limited government, and federalism at the state level through a nonpartisan public-private partnership of America's state legislators, members of the private sector and the general public".[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

Doesn't sound like some evil empire thing to Me.

So, you wished to be ruled by corporations?

No, and your assertion is incorrect.

Saying that doesn't make it correct. The corporations are writing legislation. It is either bad for all or just good for your team.

All bad or just good for Me?

What happen to all good?

Everyone is writing legislation it seems. Go find a dozen left wing special interests and you can make an easy 10 bucks at any bookie that they're writing legislation.

You can make a quick 100 bucks that they are writing the same legislation (progressive) that has gotten us into the mess we are in now, and the reason we need to consider an Article V convention call.

You can try till the cows come home, but I'm backing an Article V call so that we can begin to reign in the Congress.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Our government is definitely corrupt but a revolution is farrrr away

This is from ALEC
Article V Handbook - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

They are most active in the states. These folks write state legislation.

National Chair
Mr. Bill CarmichaelAmerican Bail Coalition




Private Enterprise Council Members
Ms. Cynthia Bergman
Exxon Mobil Corporation

Ms. Sano BlockerEnergy Future Holdings


Mr. Jeff BondPhRMA


Mr. Josh BrownPfizer Inc.


Mr. Steve DelBianco
NetChoice

Ms. Marianna Eterno
Guarantee Trust Life Insurance Company

Mr. Kenneth LaneDiageo North America, Inc.


Mr. Bill LeahyAT&T


Mr. Don LeeK-12, Inc.


Mr. Kelly Mader

Mr. Stephen Moore

Mr. Michael MorganKoch Companies Public Sector, LLC


Mr. Daniel Smith
Altria Client Services

Mr. Roland Spies
State Farm Insurance Companies

Mr. Pat Thomas
United Parcel Service

Mr. Bob Williams
State Budget Solutions

Mr. Steve Woods
National Federation of Independent Business
Private Enterprise Advisory Council - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

Yes, and what they do is:

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a nonprofit organization of conservative state legislators and private sector representatives that drafts and shares model state-level legislation for distribution among state governments in the United States.[4][5][6] According to its website, ALEC "works to advance the fundamental principles of free-market enterprise, limited government, and federalism at the state level through a nonpartisan public-private partnership of America's state legislators, members of the private sector and the general public".[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

Doesn't sound like some evil empire thing to Me.

So, you wished to be ruled by corporations?

No, and your assertion is incorrect.

Saying that doesn't make it correct. The corporations are writing legislation. It is either bad for all or just good for your team.

All bad or just good for Me?

What happen to all good?

Everyone is writing legislation it seems. Go find a dozen left wing special interests and you can make an easy 10 bucks at any bookie that they're writing legislation.

You can make a quick 100 bucks that they are writing the same legislation (progressive) that has gotten us into the mess we are in now, and the reason we need to consider an Article V convention call.

You can try till the cows come home, but I'm backing an Article V call so that we can begin to reign in the Congress.

There's no such thing as all good.

 

[Disir]

This is from ALEC
Article V Handbook - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

They are most active in the states. These folks write state legislation.

National Chair
Mr. Bill CarmichaelAmerican Bail Coalition




Private Enterprise Council Members
Ms. Cynthia Bergman
Exxon Mobil Corporation

Ms. Sano BlockerEnergy Future Holdings


Mr. Jeff BondPhRMA


Mr. Josh BrownPfizer Inc.


Mr. Steve DelBianco
NetChoice

Ms. Marianna Eterno
Guarantee Trust Life Insurance Company

Mr. Kenneth LaneDiageo North America, Inc.


Mr. Bill LeahyAT&T


Mr. Don LeeK-12, Inc.


Mr. Kelly Mader

Mr. Stephen Moore

Mr. Michael MorganKoch Companies Public Sector, LLC


Mr. Daniel Smith
Altria Client Services

Mr. Roland Spies
State Farm Insurance Companies

Mr. Pat Thomas
United Parcel Service

Mr. Bob Williams
State Budget Solutions

Mr. Steve Woods
National Federation of Independent Business
Private Enterprise Advisory Council - ALEC - American Legislative Exchange Council

Yes, and what they do is:

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a nonprofit organization of conservative state legislators and private sector representatives that drafts and shares model state-level legislation for distribution among state governments in the United States.[4][5][6] According to its website, ALEC "works to advance the fundamental principles of free-market enterprise, limited government, and federalism at the state level through a nonpartisan public-private partnership of America's state legislators, members of the private sector and the general public".[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

Doesn't sound like some evil empire thing to Me.

So, you wished to be ruled by corporations?

No, and your assertion is incorrect.

Saying that doesn't make it correct. The corporations are writing legislation. It is either bad for all or just good for your team.

All bad or just good for Me?

What happen to all good?

Everyone is writing legislation it seems. Go find a dozen left wing special interests and you can make an easy 10 bucks at any bookie that they're writing legislation.

You can make a quick 100 bucks that they are writing the same legislation (progressive) that has gotten us into the mess we are in now, and the reason we need to consider an Article V convention call.

You can try till the cows come home, but I'm backing an Article V call so that we can begin to reign in the Congress.

What does that mean? "Till the cows come home". Where have the cows been, Darkwind? (Open Season)

Look, Darkwind- I know that there just as many "liberal" groups that are out there doing their damnedest. I have no problem pointing them out. I am over listening to the elite squad come down from their mansions and dictate what the hell we need-couched in language that appeals but clearly does not benefit anyone but themselves. Frankly, I'm over the spin. The hell do these people know about how the rest of us live?

I have no intention of trying to dissuade you from Article V. I just don't see any "revolution" and definitely not one where the instigators are a bunch of corporate hacks that somehow benefits the people. Not from Soros and not from the Kochs and not from whatever hedge fund of the day. I just don't buy it.

You will have bread riots.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

My thoughts are so clear and simple:
Given the state of the economy, the growing disparity of wealth, joblessness, and increasing negative views of the government, do you think it will hit a breaking point where Americans decide to revolt and overthrow the government/wealthy elite?
Or is that more likely an extreme scenario that will never happen?
Your opinion of the future of America's state of affairs?

I fear the opposite. People finding themselves in bondage and it being too late....

 

[dcraelin]

You do realize that Article V is being pushed by ALEC. It is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

That is a bunch of malarkey. Any amendment of the Constitution would have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. Most of the people opposed to this process would like to abolish individual State sovereignty and replace it with a dictatorial national government.

Article V is being pushed by ALEC. A group of corporations that write legislation that benefits themselves. This is no malarkey. This is fact.

They do push legislation. They do not push legislation that benefits ONLY themselves.

Who else pushes legislation? The DNC. Unions. There are literally hundreds of left wing organizations that push legislation, for nothing more than their own causes. It is how the system works. Article V is also how the system works.

union causes are for large groups of workers.....they represent, if not directly, the interests of the vast majority of the nation, or at least think they do. as I would argue do most left win organizations, environmental causes etc.

I disagree. Union causes are for the leadership of the unions. They are in it for themselves.

Everyone has an agenda. ALEC is no different.

However, it does not matter one whit if ALEC or any other group is backing the movement. If the people, through their state legislatures, get a article 5 convention going, then the sponsors won't matter that much during the open debates.

Either way, its time to take some of the power away from the US government. If nothing else, a solid wake up call to those who have been in the Congress for 15, 20, 25+ years.

part of getting Union leadership is effectiveness at pushing for your members.....

I agree largely with your second point.

I dont think power of the federal government is really the problem, its who that power is used for.....but I do think the federal government overall is too large