Does Scripture Support Liberalism?

[Avatar4321]

What did "liberal" mean 2-3000 years ago. Jesus taught to give to the poor, (a lesson that definitely needs some caveats), but he didn't advocate taking wealth from the rich by force. It's supposed to be voluntary--something modern liberals have no ability to comprehend, except when they excuse their leaders from the rules they make for the rest of us.

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

yeah, sure... Jesus instructed us to be charitable to those less fortunate...

and I'm cool with that...

but he didn't call upon government agencies to force us to do it...

And he didnt do that for a very good reason. You can't force charity. He wants to produce charity and that cannot be done with force.

 

[PainefulTruth]

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

If that's a yes or no dictum, the answer is certainly no.

Does Scripture Support Liberalism?

Compassion for the elderly, the poor, the sick, and women and children. Those are liberal ideals. Greed, hate, war and prejudice are the ideals of the GOP and fake christians.

Compassion, prejudice and greed as the far left defines it.

What did "liberal" mean 2-3000 years ago. Jesus taught to give to the poor, (a lesson that definitely needs some caveats), but he didn't advocate taking wealth from the rich by force. It's supposed to be voluntary--something modern liberals have no ability to comprehend, except when they excuse their leaders from the rules they make for the rest of us.

Using lies destroys your credibility and integrity. There is no force, it's taxes, which Jesus said to pay. You try to deceive by telling lies about what Jesus taught.

Like I said, liberals will be unable to comprehend. How many citizens would pay taxes if the tax law was not enforced--besides you of course.

Jesus said to pay your taxes, yet you call it robbery. Your attempt to justify greed exposes what you really love. Robbing the rich to feed the poor, or robbing the poor to give to the rich, which will God have mercy on?

The ones that aren't thieves. And the most culpable are the leaders of governments who use such welfare to line their own pockets, increase their power, and corrupt the able-bodied populace as well as themselves.

 

[koshergrl]

Jesus didn't recognize taxes as "giving". He quite definitely stated, in fact, that money that went to the gov't was "Caesar's" and that our godly donations were separate from that.

Liberals of course think they can avoid their duty to God by forcing others to pay for them, under the heavy hand of the government.

You can't. Jesus wasn't a liberal, he certainly wasn't a progressive. He had no use for government (other than as it played to facilitate his DEATH). As Christians, we are to abide by the laws of the land, as long as those laws do not circumvent the law of God.

So if it's the law that we give all our income to an oppressive system, then we do that.

But don't make the mistake of thinking that means that God approves the government, or any of the policies.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

If asking if Yeshua was liberal, using the NT is a bad way of doing it since the NT didn't exist during his lifetime. All he had to teach from was Torah. The first NT Gospel wouldn't exist until several decades after his death (or what have you.)

What he would in fact have taught includes:

To love all human beings who are of the covenant (Lev. 19:18)
Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to cherish hatred in one's heart (Lev. 19:17)
To relieve a neighbor of his burden and help to unload his beast (Ex. 23:5)

Not to afflict an orphan or a widow (Ex. 22:21)
To leave the unreaped corner of the field or orchard for the poor (Lev. 19:9)
To leave the gleanings for the poor (Lev. 19:9)
To leave ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10; Deut. 24:21)
To leave peret (the single grapes) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10)
To leave the forgotten sheaves for the poor (Deut. 24:19-20)
Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man and giving him what he needs (Deut. 15:7)
To give charity according to one's means (Deut. 15:11)


And those are just some of th ehighlights. Anyone who claims Yeshua was anything but a liberal has never read a Bible in their life. Or if they have, has the memory retention of a moth.

 

[koshergrl]

Except none of that is liberal.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Except none of that is liberal.

Then your definition of liberal is different from mine as a liberal. (With a few conservative positions.)

 

[Chuckt]

If asking if Yeshua was liberal, using the NT is a bad way of doing it since the NT didn't exist during his lifetime. All he had to teach from was Torah. The first NT Gospel wouldn't exist until several decades after his death (or what have you.)

What he would in fact have taught includes:

To love all human beings who are of the covenant (Lev. 19:18)
Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to cherish hatred in one's heart (Lev. 19:17)
To relieve a neighbor of his burden and help to unload his beast (Ex. 23:5)

Not to afflict an orphan or a widow (Ex. 22:21)
To leave the unreaped corner of the field or orchard for the poor (Lev. 19:9)
To leave the gleanings for the poor (Lev. 19:9)
To leave ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10; Deut. 24:21)
To leave peret (the single grapes) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10)
To leave the forgotten sheaves for the poor (Deut. 24:19-20)
Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man and giving him what he needs (Deut. 15:7)
To give charity according to one's means (Deut. 15:11)


And those are just some of th ehighlights. Anyone who claims Yeshua was anything but a liberal has never read a Bible in their life. Or if they have, has the memory retention of a moth.

The NT did exist during His lifetime.
Some of the fragments we have may have come from the Apostle John.
Your definition of liberal is not my definition.

 

[koshergrl]

Except none of that is liberal.

Then your definition of liberal is different from mine as a liberal. (With a few conservative positions.)

Sadly, your definition, if it is that liberalism is akin to Christianity as practiced by Christ, is incorrect.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Taxes hurt the poor as much as they hurt the rich. Not sure why you seem to think it matters how much money a man makes. I don't think the Lord would justify me in hating any of my brethren.

Nor do I see how it's greedy to want people to minister to the needs of others on their own rather than having the government steal their money to pretend to help the poor.

Your arguement is based on the belief that the government is stealing from you and robbing you when you pay taxes. If one rejects that concept, your ideas have no weight and seem false.

Let's see, taking money by force. The very definition of Robbery.

You can reject the truth, but it doesn't make it less true.

Of course avatar cannot demonstrate that the government is taking money by force which is why he is not "speaking the truth".

 

[Derideo_Te]

Jesus didn't recognize taxes as "giving". He quite definitely stated, in fact, that money that went to the gov't was "Caesar's" and that our godly donations were separate from that.

Liberals of course think they can avoid their duty to God by forcing others to pay for them, under the heavy hand of the government.

You can't. Jesus wasn't a liberal, he certainly wasn't a progressive. He had no use for government (other than as it played to facilitate his DEATH). As Christians, we are to abide by the laws of the land, as long as those laws do not circumvent the law of God.

So if it's the law that we give all our income to an oppressive system, then we do that.

But don't make the mistake of thinking that means that God approves the government, or any of the policies.

We the People are the government so are you saying that God does not approve of the government that We the People have founded, KG?

 

[koshergrl]

Hm, rather that I don't believe God is actively ENDORSING liberal policies.

Christ made it pretty clear that he wasn't into politics.

 

[AVG-JOE]

What did "liberal" mean 2-3000 years ago. Jesus taught to give to the poor, (a lesson that definitely needs some caveats), but he didn't advocate taking wealth from the rich by force. It's supposed to be voluntary--something modern liberals have no ability to comprehend, except when they excuse their leaders from the rules they make for the rest of us.

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

The teachings were to give of your possessions to the poor not to steal from your neighbor and give it to the poor.

If it's a matter of attitude.....

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[AVG-JOE]

Hm, rather that I don't believe God is actively ENDORSING liberal policies.

Christ made it pretty clear that he wasn't into politics.

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'Cause everyone knows He upset the moneychangers and the clergy of the day for personal reasons...

 

[Derideo_Te]

Hm, rather that I don't believe God is actively ENDORSING liberal policies.

Christ made it pretty clear that he wasn't into politics.

Equally so God won't be actively endorsing conservative policies for much the same reason.

Nosmo was correct when he said that we need to keep religion out of partisan politics. There is nothing to be gained from trying to claim that political positions are "blessed" from above. Instead it has the opposite effect of just needlessly annoying people in my opinion.

Peace
DT

 

[koshergrl]

I've certainly never started threads or made the claim that God is a conservative American, lol.

The entire premise is idiotic.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I've certainly never started threads or made the claim that God is a conservative American, lol.

The entire premise is idiotic.

I hope you don't believe that I was saying that you were!

 

[Sunshine]

The verse quoted was:

Proverbs 11:25

King James Version (KJV)


25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

And there are LOTS of other verses that reiterate that:

Luke 6:38 ESV / 76 helpful votes

Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”




2 Corinthians 9:6 ESV / 18 helpful votes

The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.




Acts 20:35 ESV / 17 helpful votes

In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”




Mark 11:24 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.




James 4:3 ESV / 13 helpful votes

You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.




John 15:7 ESV / 12 helpful votes

If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.




Mark 11:25 ESV / 10 helpful votes

And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”




John 16:24 ESV / 8 helpful votes

Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.




Luke 11:13 ESV / 8 helpful votes

If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”




Ephesians 1:1-23 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,




Galatians 2:10 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.




Luke 6:1-49 ESV / 6 helpful votes

On a Sabbath, while he was going through the grainfields, his disciples plucked and ate some heads of grain, rubbing them in their hands. But some of the Pharisees said, “Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath?” And Jesus answered them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and took and ate the bread of the Presence, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those with him?” And he said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”




Matthew 6:19-21 ESV / 5 helpful votes

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.




Leviticus 19:9-10 ESV / 5 helpful votes

“When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.




James 1:27 ESV / 4 helpful votes

Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.




James 1:5-7 ESV / 4 helpful votes

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;




Acts 1:14 ESV / 4 helpful votes

All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.




John 6:33 ESV / 4 helpful votes

For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”




Luke 21:34-36 ESV / 4 helpful votes

“But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap. For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”




Luke 18:1-8 ESV / 4 helpful votes

And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man. And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Give me justice against my adversary.’ For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor respect man, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming.’”




Isaiah 58:10-11 ESV / 4 helpful votes

If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday. And the Lord will guide you continually and satisfy your desire in scorched places and make your bones strong; and you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail.




Proverbs 19:17 ESV / 4 helpful votes

Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.




Jude 1:20 ESV / 3 helpful votes

But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,




1 John 1:9 ESV / 3 helpful votes

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.




1 John 1:8 ESV / 3 helpful votes

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.




2 Corinthians 9:7 ESV / 3 helpful votes

Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.




John 3:17 ESV / 3 helpful votes

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.




Luke 22:44 ESV / 3 helpful votes

And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground.




Luke 22:39-46 ESV / 3 helpful votes

And he came out and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples followed him. And when he came to the place, he said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.” And he withdrew from them about a stone's throw, and knelt down and prayed, saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him.




Luke 11:8 ESV / 3 helpful votes

I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs.




Luke 11:5-8 ESV / 3 helpful votes

And he said to them, “Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; and he will answer from within, ‘Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything’? I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs.




Luke 9:18 ESV / 3 helpful votes

Now it happened that as he was praying alone, the disciples were with him. And he asked them, “Who do the crowds say that I am?”




Luke 6:36-38 ESV / 3 helpful votes

Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful. “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”




Luke 6:12 ESV / 3 helpful votes

In these days he went out to the mountain to pray, and all night he continued in prayer to God.




Luke 5:16 ESV / 3 helpful votes

But he would withdraw to desolate places and pray.




Luke 5:1-39 ESV / 3 helpful votes

On one occasion, while the crowd was pressing in on him to hear the word of God, he was standing by the lake of Gennesaret, and he saw two boats by the lake, but the fishermen had gone out of them and were washing their nets. Getting into one of the boats, which was Simon's, he asked him to put out a little from the land. And he sat down and taught the people from the boat. And when he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into the deep and let down your nets for a catch.” And Simon answered, “Master, we toiled all night and took nothing! But at your word I will let down the nets.”




Mark 9:3 ESV / 3 helpful votes

And his clothes became radiant, intensely white, as no one on earth could bleach them.




Mark 6:46 ESV / 3 helpful votes

And after he had taken leave of them, he went up on the mountain to pray.




Mark 6:33 ESV / 3 helpful votes

Now many saw them going and recognized them, and they ran there on foot from all the towns and got there ahead of them.




Mark 6:31 ESV / 3 helpful votes

And he said to them, “Come away by yourselves to a desolate place and rest a while.” For many were coming and going, and they had no leisure even to eat.




Mark 3:20 ESV / 3 helpful votes

Then he went home, and the crowd gathered again, so that they could not even eat.




Mark 1:35 ESV / 3 helpful votes

And rising very early in the morning, while it was still dark, he departed and went out to a desolate place, and there he prayed.




Mark 1:35-38 ESV / 3 helpful votes

And rising very early in the morning, while it was still dark, he departed and went out to a desolate place, and there he prayed. And Simon and those who were with him searched for him, and they found him and said to him, “Everyone is looking for you.” And he said to them, “Let us go on to the next towns, that I may preach there also, for that is why I came out.”




Matthew 6:1-4 ESV / 3 helpful votes

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.




Malachi 3:1-18 ESV / 3 helpful votes

“Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts. But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord. Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the Lord as in the days of old and as in former years. “Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.




Proverbs 28:27 ESV / 3 helpful votes

Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.




Psalm 145:18 ESV / 3 helpful votes

The Lord is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth.




Psalm 50:12 ESV / 3 helpful votes

“If I were hungry, I would not tell you, for the world and its fullness are mine.




Psalm 50:10 ESV / 3 helpful votes

For every beast of the forest is mine, the cattle on a thousand hills.




James 1:5 ESV / 2 helpful votes

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.




1 Timothy 6:10 ESV / 2 helpful votes

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.




1 Timothy 6:9 ESV / 2 helpful votes

But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.




2 Corinthians 11:7-9 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Or did I commit a sin in humbling myself so that you might be exalted, because I preached God's gospel to you free of charge? I robbed other churches by accepting support from them in order to serve you. And when I was with you and was in need, I did not burden anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied my need. So I refrained and will refrain from burdening you in any way.




2 Corinthians 8:12 ESV / 2 helpful votes

For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what he does not have.




1 Corinthians 9:14 ESV / 2 helpful votes

In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.




Romans 10:17 ESV / 2 helpful votes

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.




Acts 14:23 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And when they had appointed elders for them in every church, with prayer and fasting they committed them to the Lord in whom they had believed.




Acts 13:22 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And when he had removed him, he raised up David to be their king, of whom he testified and said, ‘I have found in David the son of Jesse a man after my heart, who will do all my will.’




Acts 13:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Then after fasting and praying they laid their hands on them and sent them off.




Acts 13:2 ESV / 2 helpful votes

While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”




Acts 12:5 ESV / 2 helpful votes

So Peter was kept in prison, but earnest prayer for him was made to God by the church.




Acts 8:15 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,




John 14:17 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.




John 14:16 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,




Luke 21:1-4 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Jesus looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, and he saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. And he said, “Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”




Luke 17:17 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Then Jesus answered, “Were not ten cleansed? Where are the nine?




Luke 9:22 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.”




Luke 9:21 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And he strictly charged and commanded them to tell this to no one,




Luke 7:1-50 ESV / 2 helpful votes

After he had finished all his sayings in the hearing of the people, he entered Capernaum. Now a centurion had a servant who was sick and at the point of death, who was highly valued by him. When the centurion heard about Jesus, he sent to him elders of the Jews, asking him to come and heal his servant. And when they came to Jesus, they pleaded with him earnestly, saying, “He is worthy to have you do this for him, for he loves our nation, and he is the one who built us our synagogue.”




Luke 6:13 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And when day came, he called his disciples and chose from them twelve, whom he named apostles:




Luke 5:15 ESV / 2 helpful votes

But now even more the report about him went abroad, and great crowds gathered to hear him and to be healed of their infirmities.




Luke 3:22 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”




Matthew 25:31-46 ESV / 2 helpful votes

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,




Matthew 23:23 ESV / 2 helpful votes

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.




Matthew 22:21 ESV / 2 helpful votes

They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”




Matthew 6:1-2 ESV / 2 helpful votes

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.




Proverbs 14:21 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor.




Proverbs 11:25 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Whoever brings blessing will be enriched, and one who waters will himself be watered.




Proverbs 3:9-10 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce; then your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will be bursting with wine.




Psalm 25:16 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.




2 Chronicles 19:7 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Now then, let the fear of the Lord be upon you. Be careful what you do, for there is no injustice with the Lord our God, or partiality or taking bribes.”




Deuteronomy 14:28-29 ESV / 2 helpful votes

“At the end of every three years you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in the same year and lay it up within your towns. And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do.




Genesis 28:22 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God's house. And of all that you give me I will give a full tenth to you.”

The rub comes because liberals don't have anything to give. They are generous with someone else's wealth. They have nothing, they give nothing, and they get nothing back.

But they are plenty covetous and the Bible has LOT to say about that as well:

Exodus 20:17 ESV / 56 helpful votes

“You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”




James 4:3 ESV / 37 helpful votes

You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.




James 1:14-15 ESV / 33 helpful votes

But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.




1 Timothy 6:10 ESV / 31 helpful votes

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.




Mark 7:20-23 ESV / 20 helpful votes

And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”




Romans 7:7 ESV / 14 helpful votes

What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”




2 Corinthians 9:8 ESV / 11 helpful votes

And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.




Deuteronomy 5:21 ESV / 10 helpful votes

“‘And you shall not covet your neighbor's wife. And you shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his male servant, or his female servant, his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.’




Ephesians 5:3 ESV / 9 helpful votes

But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints.




Matthew 6:33 ESV / 7 helpful votes

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.




Joshua 7:21 ESV / 7 helpful votes

When I saw among the spoil a beautiful cloak from Shinar, and 200 shekels of silver, and a bar of gold weighing 50 shekels, then I coveted them and took them. And see, they are hidden in the earth inside my tent, with the silver underneath.”




Acts 20:33-35 ESV / 6 helpful votes

I coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel. You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my necessities and to those who were with me. In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”




Micah 2:1-13 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Woe to those who devise wickedness and work evil on their beds! When the morning dawns, they perform it, because it is in the power of their hand. They covet fields and seize them, and houses, and take them away; they oppress a man and his house, a man and his inheritance. Therefore thus says the Lord: behold, against this family I am devising disaster, from which you cannot remove your necks, and you shall not walk haughtily, for it will be a time of disaster. In that day they shall take up a taunt song against you and moan bitterly, and say, “We are utterly ruined; he changes the portion of my people; how he removes it from me! To an apostate he allots our fields.” Therefore you will have none to cast the line by lot in the assembly of the Lord.




2 Samuel 11:1-17 ESV / 5 helpful votes

In the spring of the year, the time when kings go out to battle, David sent Joab, and his servants with him, and all Israel. And they ravaged the Ammonites and besieged Rabbah. But David remained at Jerusalem. It happened, late one afternoon, when David arose from his couch and was walking on the roof of the king's house, that he saw from the roof a woman bathing; and the woman was very beautiful. And David sent and inquired about the woman. And one said, “Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?” So David sent messengers and took her, and she came to him, and he lay with her. (Now she had been purifying herself from her uncleanness.) Then she returned to her house. And the woman conceived, and she sent and told David, “I am pregnant.”




Ephesians 4:28 ESV / 4 helpful votes

Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.




Proverbs 28:22 ESV / 4 helpful votes

A stingy man hastens after wealth and does not know that poverty will come upon him.




Romans 7:18 ESV / 3 helpful votes

For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.




Romans 7:1-25 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress. Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.




Romans 14:23 ESV / 1 helpful vote

But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.




Romans 7:5 ESV / 1 helpful vote

For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.

There are plenty of studies out there that show conservatives are far more charitable than liberals.

 

[Sunshine]

If asking if Yeshua was liberal, using the NT is a bad way of doing it since the NT didn't exist during his lifetime. All he had to teach from was Torah. The first NT Gospel wouldn't exist until several decades after his death (or what have you.)

What he would in fact have taught includes:

To love all human beings who are of the covenant (Lev. 19:18)
Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to cherish hatred in one's heart (Lev. 19:17)
To relieve a neighbor of his burden and help to unload his beast (Ex. 23:5)

Not to afflict an orphan or a widow (Ex. 22:21)
To leave the unreaped corner of the field or orchard for the poor (Lev. 19:9)
To leave the gleanings for the poor (Lev. 19:9)
To leave ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10; Deut. 24:21)
To leave peret (the single grapes) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10)
To leave the forgotten sheaves for the poor (Deut. 24:19-20)
Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man and giving him what he needs (Deut. 15:7)
To give charity according to one's means (Deut. 15:11)


And those are just some of th ehighlights. Anyone who claims Yeshua was anything but a liberal has never read a Bible in their life. Or if they have, has the memory retention of a moth.

And anyone who thinks God is a liberal has not read the Bible enough to know about all the people He killed and ordered killed! LOL. You people are a joke.

There are numerous examples of God personally killing people:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Your arguement is based on the belief that the government is stealing from you and robbing you when you pay taxes. If one rejects that concept, your ideas have no weight and seem false.

Let's see, taking money by force. The very definition of Robbery.

You can reject the truth, but it doesn't make it less true.

Of course avatar cannot demonstrate that the government is taking money by force which is why he is not "speaking the truth".

You are so right, no force being used here.

Move along now, nothing to see.

 

[Avatar4321]

Your arguement is based on the belief that the government is stealing from you and robbing you when you pay taxes. If one rejects that concept, your ideas have no weight and seem false.

Let's see, taking money by force. The very definition of Robbery.

You can reject the truth, but it doesn't make it less true.

Of course avatar cannot demonstrate that the government is taking money by force which is why he is not "speaking the truth".

I was unaware that you had no clue of all those people who have been thrown in jail for failure to pay taxes or their putting liens on property or garnishing wages.

I foolishly thought you were informed. So sue me.