Does your God have limitations?

[G.T.]

My God has no limitations, but I don't know about yours. And just who is to say He is not logical, just because it's beyond our own understanding? The faults & failings aren't with God, but we as humans.

In a rough comparison.......parents know more than their children and their own understanding is far greater than a childs. The child doesn't understand the rules or reasons for those rules set by the parent and therefore considers the parent to be illogical......because of the child's limited understanding. And this is similar to humans childlike understanding vs God's all knowing.
Yet as the child grows in age & size, they also grow in understanding as do believers in our Christian walk with Him.

You could have short formed this since its the "humans cant understand" premise that I prefaced for ya.

Theres no discussion to be had down that road, obviously we couldnt understand!

I thought I was polite. : /

Then why ask if my God has limitations, and breaks your laws of logic.....if you're not willing to discuss it? Yet many of your comments and questions are addressing the Christian God.

There are other gods that many people follow, that maybe do have limitations, IDK . Yet to be a God of any religion, you have to be greater than your subjects or followers, or you're not really a God at all except in your own eyes


Yes you were polite, as I am as well, but you don't really make sense

You misread my OP, is the polite answer to these questions.

 

[Taz]

Apparently, nobody here thinks that god got kangaroos from Australia and then back again after his flood. So it can’t do that.

 

[ding]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

He can't oppose himself.

But why is it "your" God? Why isn't it just God?

 

[ding]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

I question the question. Your progression doesn't make sense and you have no basis for it.

 

[ding]

Also in Christian Apologetics, "knowledge" is necessarily derivative of God; however, with an all powerful God.....knowledge (defined by apologetics as "justified, true belief") is impossible by virtue of an all power God's ability to negate any experiences you might have. If he even has the POWER to make you incorrect, about ANYTHING, none of your beliefs can be logically justified.

You'll have to talk to a Christian Apologetics about that.

All I can tell you is that a personal relationship with God is the best thing that has ever happened for me.

Can I use that to logically justify my beliefs? Would that be OK with you?

 

[G.T.]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

He can't oppose himself.

But why is it "your" God? Why isn't it just God?

Because different folks describe a different god by sheer definition.

 

[G.T.]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

I question the question. Your progression doesn't make sense and you have no basis for it.

This wasnt a response, it was like saying nothing whatsoever. Other folks didnt seem to have such issue.

 

[G.T.]

Also in Christian Apologetics, "knowledge" is necessarily derivative of God; however, with an all powerful God.....knowledge (defined by apologetics as "justified, true belief") is impossible by virtue of an all power God's ability to negate any experiences you might have. If he even has the POWER to make you incorrect, about ANYTHING, none of your beliefs can be logically justified.

You'll have to talk to a Christian Apologetics about that.

All I can tell you is that a personal relationship with God is the best thing that has ever happened for me.

Can I use that to logically justify my beliefs? Would that be OK with you?

No. Personal experience doesnt pass as a logical syllogism, so Id be content to tell you that its not possible for you to prove your God exists, to me...and save your time.

 

[ding]

if god created everything--why did he create humans that are not ''god-like''?
after we die--what happens?? will we ''fly around''/be able to see/feel/hear?
or when we die--is that it?
--now to put all of that regarding the OP--if there is a god--''he'' must have limitations
he has no control over humans/the universe/etc
..also if there is a god---''he''/it is not a single being--it is everything put together-stars/humans/animals/plants/etc

The question you have to ask yourself is...

if, as claimed by humanism, man were born only to be happy, why would he be born to die?

 

[ding]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

First, definitions shift. Omnipotent, All Powerful originally had limits. Omnipotent, all the power it is possible to have; All Powerful, the one who held power over things that were possible to hold power over.

If we keep to original definitions, then God falls nicely into the category without having to defy logic.

The same is true of Omniscience: Having all knowledge it is possible to have.

Who created the nature of possibility and impossibility, then? That statement youve made led to that new conundrum.

In our universe... the laws of nature which existed before space and time.

 

[G.T.]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

First, definitions shift. Omnipotent, All Powerful originally had limits. Omnipotent, all the power it is possible to have; All Powerful, the one who held power over things that were possible to hold power over.

If we keep to original definitions, then God falls nicely into the category without having to defy logic.

The same is true of Omniscience: Having all knowledge it is possible to have.

Who created the nature of possibility and impossibility, then? That statement youve made led to that new conundrum.

In our universe... the laws of nature which existed before space and time.

Assertion.

 

[ding]

Purposeful.
The physical and metaphysical meet after 80 or so years of dispelling one’s ego.

Are they able to be explained or arent they ~ to clarify?

Yes...but you have to understand the underlying concepts of words and the letters they are compromised of.
YouTube has many videos on Kabalah that introduce these concepts step by step.

Maybe you could do your best to explain in plain English how the logical paradoxes don't pertain?

Can God make A not A, at the same time and in the same sense?

If not, thats a limitation.
If so, the laws of logic are not absolute.


Can God make himself not know something?

If not, thats a limitation.
If so, he could make himself not even know...if he doesn't know something....an all powerful being thats logically consistent couldnt even know if its not all knowing.....which makes it not all knowing as a default.


These logical paradoxes can be explained by "logic doesnt pertain," but be careful granting this because this causes a theist world view many, many problems.

The Ain Sofe (Without End) is beyond our comprehension and presents paradoxes that cannot ever be resolved because the capabitis not built into the essence of the creation, as opposed to the essence of The Creator.
The issue is whether or not humans can accept that humans have limitations.
Rabbi Akiva accepted this limitation because he trained his ego to focus on what’s important to mankind and the world, not engaging in mental gymnastics.
One of his colleagues went insane, one became terminally depressed and one became an idol worshipper because their egos could not accept the fact that the human being cannot understand everything.

I prefaced all questions by asking if its explicable...or.....is it "humans cant understand."


I did that to save YOU the time man.

Then you had the answer all along.

 

[G.T.]

Are they able to be explained or arent they ~ to clarify?

Yes...but you have to understand the underlying concepts of words and the letters they are compromised of.
YouTube has many videos on Kabalah that introduce these concepts step by step.

Maybe you could do your best to explain in plain English how the logical paradoxes don't pertain?

Can God make A not A, at the same time and in the same sense?

If not, thats a limitation.
If so, the laws of logic are not absolute.


Can God make himself not know something?

If not, thats a limitation.
If so, he could make himself not even know...if he doesn't know something....an all powerful being thats logically consistent couldnt even know if its not all knowing.....which makes it not all knowing as a default.


These logical paradoxes can be explained by "logic doesnt pertain," but be careful granting this because this causes a theist world view many, many problems.

The Ain Sofe (Without End) is beyond our comprehension and presents paradoxes that cannot ever be resolved because the capabitis not built into the essence of the creation, as opposed to the essence of The Creator.
The issue is whether or not humans can accept that humans have limitations.
Rabbi Akiva accepted this limitation because he trained his ego to focus on what’s important to mankind and the world, not engaging in mental gymnastics.
One of his colleagues went insane, one became terminally depressed and one became an idol worshipper because their egos could not accept the fact that the human being cannot understand everything.

I prefaced all questions by asking if its explicable...or.....is it "humans cant understand."


I did that to save YOU the time man.

Then you had the answer all along.

I understood that was many folks' opinions, yes. I also understand by virtue of listening to structured debates at christian universities....that certain folks DO believe they can explain the full nature of God.

So, youre not really saying anything. This isnt really your thread.

 

[ding]

My God has no limitations, but I don't know about yours. And just who is to say He is not logical, just because it's beyond our own understanding? The faults & failings aren't with God, but we as humans.

In a rough comparison.......parents know more than their children and their own understanding is far greater than a childs. The child doesn't understand the rules or reasons for those rules set by the parent and therefore considers the parent to be illogical......because of the child's limited understanding. And this is similar to humans childlike understanding vs God's all knowing.
Yet as the child grows in age & size, they also grow in understanding as do believers in our Christian walk with Him.

You could have short formed this since its the "humans cant understand" premise that I prefaced for ya.

Theres no discussion to be had down that road, obviously we couldnt understand!

I thought I was polite. : /

I thought she articulated her position quite nicely.

 

[G.T.]

My God has no limitations, but I don't know about yours. And just who is to say He is not logical, just because it's beyond our own understanding? The faults & failings aren't with God, but we as humans.

In a rough comparison.......parents know more than their children and their own understanding is far greater than a childs. The child doesn't understand the rules or reasons for those rules set by the parent and therefore considers the parent to be illogical......because of the child's limited understanding. And this is similar to humans childlike understanding vs God's all knowing.
Yet as the child grows in age & size, they also grow in understanding as do believers in our Christian walk with Him.

You could have short formed this since its the "humans cant understand" premise that I prefaced for ya.

Theres no discussion to be had down that road, obviously we couldnt understand!

I thought I was polite. : /

I thought she articulated her position quite nicely.

She was verbose, but not inarticulate. Id agree.

 

[ding]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

He can't oppose himself.

But why is it "your" God? Why isn't it just God?

Because different folks describe a different god by sheer definition.

Then your question must have been addressed to a specific religion. Or were you assuming that your assumptions applied to all?

 

[G.T.]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

He can't oppose himself.

But why is it "your" God? Why isn't it just God?

Because different folks describe a different god by sheer definition.

Then your question must have been addressed to a specific religion. Or were you assuming that your assumptions applied to all?

No, incorrect.

 

[ding]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

I question the question. Your progression doesn't make sense and you have no basis for it.

This wasnt a response, it was like saying nothing whatsoever. Other folks didnt seem to have such issue.

It was like justanothernut said, you made no sense.

 

[G.T.]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

I question the question. Your progression doesn't make sense and you have no basis for it.

This wasnt a response, it was like saying nothing whatsoever. Other folks didnt seem to have such issue.

It was like justanothernut said, you made no sense.

I know why you think that.

 

[ding]

Also in Christian Apologetics, "knowledge" is necessarily derivative of God; however, with an all powerful God.....knowledge (defined by apologetics as "justified, true belief") is impossible by virtue of an all power God's ability to negate any experiences you might have. If he even has the POWER to make you incorrect, about ANYTHING, none of your beliefs can be logically justified.

You'll have to talk to a Christian Apologetics about that.

All I can tell you is that a personal relationship with God is the best thing that has ever happened for me.

Can I use that to logically justify my beliefs? Would that be OK with you?

No. Personal experience doesnt pass as a logical syllogism, so Id be content to tell you that its not possible for you to prove your God exists, to me...and save your time.

Logical syllogism? Who the fuck talks like that?

I wasn't asking if it could be used to justify your beliefs. I was asking if it could be used to justify MY beliefs.

Well? Can it?