Does your God have limitations?

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I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

First, definitions shift. Omnipotent, All Powerful originally had limits. Omnipotent, all the power it is possible to have; All Powerful, the one who held power over things that were possible to hold power over.

If we keep to original definitions, then God falls nicely into the category without having to defy logic.

The same is true of Omniscience: Having all knowledge it is possible to have.

Who created the nature of possibility and impossibility, then? That statement youve made led to that new conundrum.

In our universe... the laws of nature which existed before space and time.

Assertion.

Not at all. It is better than anything you got. It threatens you.

 

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My God has no limitations, but I don't know about yours. And just who is to say He is not logical, just because it's beyond our own understanding? The faults & failings aren't with God, but we as humans.

In a rough comparison.......parents know more than their children and their own understanding is far greater than a childs. The child doesn't understand the rules or reasons for those rules set by the parent and therefore considers the parent to be illogical......because of the child's limited understanding. And this is similar to humans childlike understanding vs God's all knowing.
Yet as the child grows in age & size, they also grow in understanding as do believers in our Christian walk with Him.

You could have short formed this since its the "humans cant understand" premise that I prefaced for ya.

Theres no discussion to be had down that road, obviously we couldnt understand!

I thought I was polite. : /

I thought she articulated her position quite nicely.

She was verbose, but not inarticulate. Id agree.

Negative. She was concise.

 

[G.T.]

Also in Christian Apologetics, "knowledge" is necessarily derivative of God; however, with an all powerful God.....knowledge (defined by apologetics as "justified, true belief") is impossible by virtue of an all power God's ability to negate any experiences you might have. If he even has the POWER to make you incorrect, about ANYTHING, none of your beliefs can be logically justified.

You'll have to talk to a Christian Apologetics about that.

All I can tell you is that a personal relationship with God is the best thing that has ever happened for me.

Can I use that to logically justify my beliefs? Would that be OK with you?

No. Personal experience doesnt pass as a logical syllogism, so Id be content to tell you that its not possible for you to prove your God exists, to me...and save your time.

Logical syllogism? Who the fuck talks like that?

I wasn't asking if it could be used to justify your beliefs. I was asking if it could be used to justify MY beliefs.

Well? Can it?

Justify to whom? If the question is....to me? No.

If the question is to yourself, I couldnt give less fucks. This prissy stuff is retarded.

 

[G.T.]

My God has no limitations, but I don't know about yours. And just who is to say He is not logical, just because it's beyond our own understanding? The faults & failings aren't with God, but we as humans.

In a rough comparison.......parents know more than their children and their own understanding is far greater than a childs. The child doesn't understand the rules or reasons for those rules set by the parent and therefore considers the parent to be illogical......because of the child's limited understanding. And this is similar to humans childlike understanding vs God's all knowing.
Yet as the child grows in age & size, they also grow in understanding as do believers in our Christian walk with Him.

You could have short formed this since its the "humans cant understand" premise that I prefaced for ya.

Theres no discussion to be had down that road, obviously we couldnt understand!

I thought I was polite. : /

I thought she articulated her position quite nicely.

She was verbose, but not inarticulate. Id agree.

Negative. She was concise.

I summed up her position in 5 words....sorry you werent able to do so.

She said nothing more than "humans arent capable of understanding."

More than the minimal to convey the point is defined as verbose....youre just trolling and nit picking because you are prissy, by nature.

 

[harmonica]

if god created everything--why did he create humans that are not ''god-like''?
after we die--what happens?? will we ''fly around''/be able to see/feel/hear?
or when we die--is that it?
--now to put all of that regarding the OP--if there is a god--''he'' must have limitations
he has no control over humans/the universe/etc
..also if there is a god---''he''/it is not a single being--it is everything put together-stars/humans/animals/plants/etc

The question you have to ask yourself is...

if, as claimed by humanism, man were born only to be happy, why would he be born to die?

aren't we just born/created as is---and our lives are like a feather in the wind? like in Forrest Gump?
we are not meant to be happy or sad

 

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Yes...but you have to understand the underlying concepts of words and the letters they are compromised of.
YouTube has many videos on Kabalah that introduce these concepts step by step.

Maybe you could do your best to explain in plain English how the logical paradoxes don't pertain?

Can God make A not A, at the same time and in the same sense?

If not, thats a limitation.
If so, the laws of logic are not absolute.


Can God make himself not know something?

If not, thats a limitation.
If so, he could make himself not even know...if he doesn't know something....an all powerful being thats logically consistent couldnt even know if its not all knowing.....which makes it not all knowing as a default.


These logical paradoxes can be explained by "logic doesnt pertain," but be careful granting this because this causes a theist world view many, many problems.

The Ain Sofe (Without End) is beyond our comprehension and presents paradoxes that cannot ever be resolved because the capabitis not built into the essence of the creation, as opposed to the essence of The Creator.
The issue is whether or not humans can accept that humans have limitations.
Rabbi Akiva accepted this limitation because he trained his ego to focus on what’s important to mankind and the world, not engaging in mental gymnastics.
One of his colleagues went insane, one became terminally depressed and one became an idol worshipper because their egos could not accept the fact that the human being cannot understand everything.

I prefaced all questions by asking if its explicable...or.....is it "humans cant understand."


I did that to save YOU the time man.

Then you had the answer all along.

I understood that was many folks' opinions, yes. I also understand by virtue of listening to structured debates at christian universities....that certain folks DO believe they can explain the full nature of God.

So, youre not really saying anything. This isnt really your thread.

No need to get huffy, GT. I'll decide for myself which threads are for me and which are not, just as you will do for yourself.

No one knows the full nature of God. But that doesn't mean we have to fail miserably at trying.

 

[G.T.]

Maybe you could do your best to explain in plain English how the logical paradoxes don't pertain?

Can God make A not A, at the same time and in the same sense?

If not, thats a limitation.
If so, the laws of logic are not absolute.


Can God make himself not know something?

If not, thats a limitation.
If so, he could make himself not even know...if he doesn't know something....an all powerful being thats logically consistent couldnt even know if its not all knowing.....which makes it not all knowing as a default.


These logical paradoxes can be explained by "logic doesnt pertain," but be careful granting this because this causes a theist world view many, many problems.

The Ain Sofe (Without End) is beyond our comprehension and presents paradoxes that cannot ever be resolved because the capabitis not built into the essence of the creation, as opposed to the essence of The Creator.
The issue is whether or not humans can accept that humans have limitations.
Rabbi Akiva accepted this limitation because he trained his ego to focus on what’s important to mankind and the world, not engaging in mental gymnastics.
One of his colleagues went insane, one became terminally depressed and one became an idol worshipper because their egos could not accept the fact that the human being cannot understand everything.

I prefaced all questions by asking if its explicable...or.....is it "humans cant understand."


I did that to save YOU the time man.

Then you had the answer all along.

I understood that was many folks' opinions, yes. I also understand by virtue of listening to structured debates at christian universities....that certain folks DO believe they can explain the full nature of God.

So, youre not really saying anything. This isnt really your thread.

No need to get huffy, GT. I'll decide for myself which threads are for me and which are not, just as you will do for yourself.

No one knows the full nature of God. But that doesn't mean we have to fail miserably at trying.

Those who claim its not understandable, I addressed in the OP.

Others do, and have...attempted to answer...apparently to your chagrin.

You dont have conversations in earnst, or honestly. You nit pick, you dont understand how to properly reason, you lecture and you troll.

 

[ding]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

He can't oppose himself.

But why is it "your" God? Why isn't it just God?

Because different folks describe a different god by sheer definition.

Then your question must have been addressed to a specific religion. Or were you assuming that your assumptions applied to all?

No, incorrect.

Those were mutually exclusive. The answer had to be one of them.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

God's are for lemmings & children.

 

[ding]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

I question the question. Your progression doesn't make sense and you have no basis for it.

This wasnt a response, it was like saying nothing whatsoever. Other folks didnt seem to have such issue.

It was like justanothernut said, you made no sense.

I know why you think that.

I said that because your ability to explain things in a logical manner is poor. It made no sense.

 

[G.T.]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

He can't oppose himself.

But why is it "your" God? Why isn't it just God?

Because different folks describe a different god by sheer definition.

Then your question must have been addressed to a specific religion. Or were you assuming that your assumptions applied to all?

No, incorrect.

Those were mutually exclusive. The answer had to be one of them.

Different people have different definitions of God......and by virtue of that, NO, the OP WASNT addressed to a specific religion.

The exact OPPOSITE of your nit pick, dipshit.

 

[ding]

My God has no limitations, but I don't know about yours. And just who is to say He is not logical, just because it's beyond our own understanding? The faults & failings aren't with God, but we as humans.

In a rough comparison.......parents know more than their children and their own understanding is far greater than a childs. The child doesn't understand the rules or reasons for those rules set by the parent and therefore considers the parent to be illogical......because of the child's limited understanding. And this is similar to humans childlike understanding vs God's all knowing.
Yet as the child grows in age & size, they also grow in understanding as do believers in our Christian walk with Him.

You could have short formed this since its the "humans cant understand" premise that I prefaced for ya.

Theres no discussion to be had down that road, obviously we couldnt understand!

I thought I was polite. : /

I thought she articulated her position quite nicely.

She was verbose, but not inarticulate. Id agree.

Negative. She was concise.

I summed up her position in 5 words....sorry you werent able to do so.

She said nothing more than "humans arent capable of understanding."

More than the minimal to convey the point is defined as verbose....youre just trolling and nit picking because you are prissy, by nature.

You don't get to tell people how to post, GT.

She put you in your place. Deal with it.

 

[ding]

if god created everything--why did he create humans that are not ''god-like''?
after we die--what happens?? will we ''fly around''/be able to see/feel/hear?
or when we die--is that it?
--now to put all of that regarding the OP--if there is a god--''he'' must have limitations
he has no control over humans/the universe/etc
..also if there is a god---''he''/it is not a single being--it is everything put together-stars/humans/animals/plants/etc

The question you have to ask yourself is...

if, as claimed by humanism, man were born only to be happy, why would he be born to die?

aren't we just born/created as is---and our lives are like a feather in the wind? like in Forrest Gump?
we are not meant to be happy or sad

Not according to humanists.

 

[ding]

The Ain Sofe (Without End) is beyond our comprehension and presents paradoxes that cannot ever be resolved because the capabitis not built into the essence of the creation, as opposed to the essence of The Creator.
The issue is whether or not humans can accept that humans have limitations.
Rabbi Akiva accepted this limitation because he trained his ego to focus on what’s important to mankind and the world, not engaging in mental gymnastics.
One of his colleagues went insane, one became terminally depressed and one became an idol worshipper because their egos could not accept the fact that the human being cannot understand everything.

I prefaced all questions by asking if its explicable...or.....is it "humans cant understand."


I did that to save YOU the time man.

Then you had the answer all along.

I understood that was many folks' opinions, yes. I also understand by virtue of listening to structured debates at christian universities....that certain folks DO believe they can explain the full nature of God.

So, youre not really saying anything. This isnt really your thread.

No need to get huffy, GT. I'll decide for myself which threads are for me and which are not, just as you will do for yourself.

No one knows the full nature of God. But that doesn't mean we have to fail miserably at trying.

Those who claim its not understandable, I addressed in the OP.

Others do, and have...attempted to answer...apparently to your chagrin.

You dont have conversations in earnst, or honestly. You nit pick, you dont understand how to properly reason, you lecture and you troll.

There was a third option which was your premise was false.

 

[G.T.]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

The all knowing AND all powerful God description seems to defy logic, but if your God can be illogical..... then I suppose that's fine;....however, if it's fine ........you're admitting that the Laws of Logic are not absolute as they can be broken by your God.

Many explain away paradoxes as "we're too small and ignorant to understand."

I accept that answer, but Im not interested in it if it's yours, as the conversation ends there. Im interested in folks who believe their God has limitations or not, and if not ~ if they can logically explain away all of the paradoxes this causes without invoking ignorance.

I question the question. Your progression doesn't make sense and you have no basis for it.

This wasnt a response, it was like saying nothing whatsoever. Other folks didnt seem to have such issue.

It was like justanothernut said, you made no sense.

I know why you think that.

I said that because your ability to explain things in a logical manner is poor. It made no sense.

Incorrect, quite the opposite. Youre unable to have a reasonable conversation without being wrong 75x each post. Its nauseating.

 

[G.T.]

I prefaced all questions by asking if its explicable...or.....is it "humans cant understand."


I did that to save YOU the time man.

Then you had the answer all along.

I understood that was many folks' opinions, yes. I also understand by virtue of listening to structured debates at christian universities....that certain folks DO believe they can explain the full nature of God.

So, youre not really saying anything. This isnt really your thread.

No need to get huffy, GT. I'll decide for myself which threads are for me and which are not, just as you will do for yourself.

No one knows the full nature of God. But that doesn't mean we have to fail miserably at trying.

Those who claim its not understandable, I addressed in the OP.

Others do, and have...attempted to answer...apparently to your chagrin.

You dont have conversations in earnst, or honestly. You nit pick, you dont understand how to properly reason, you lecture and you troll.

There was a third option which was your premise was false.

By virtue of what...declaration? Cool. byebye

 

[ding]

He can't oppose himself.

But why is it "your" God? Why isn't it just God?

Because different folks describe a different god by sheer definition.

Then your question must have been addressed to a specific religion. Or were you assuming that your assumptions applied to all?

No, incorrect.

Those were mutually exclusive. The answer had to be one of them.

Different people have different definitions of God......and by virtue of that, NO, the OP WASNT addressed to a specific religion.

The exact OPPOSITE of your nit pick, dipshit.

And they all have the same belief with regard to God's attributes detailed in the OP? I don't think Spinozism does? And maybe pantheism too. There's probably hundreds more too.

 

[RWNJ]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

God can't laugh. You can't tell him a joke he's never heard or surprise him in any way. I feel bad for him since that is such an important aspect of being human.

But He DOES have a sense of humor. He laughs at the wicked. For He knows their ultimate fate. It's just like someone who finds something so ridiculous the only thing you can do is laugh at it. It's like, SERIOUSLY? LOL!

 

[G.T.]

Because different folks describe a different god by sheer definition.

Then your question must have been addressed to a specific religion. Or were you assuming that your assumptions applied to all?

No, incorrect.

Those were mutually exclusive. The answer had to be one of them.

Different people have different definitions of God......and by virtue of that, NO, the OP WASNT addressed to a specific religion.

The exact OPPOSITE of your nit pick, dipshit.

And they all have the same belief with regard to God's attributes detailed in the OP? I don't think Spinozism does? And maybe pantheism too. There's probably hundreds more too.

Uh no, they dont. Thats the point of it being a QUESTION, nitwit.


wow

 

[RWNJ]

I'm interested to know about what you perceive your God's limitations to be (if any).

God can't laugh. You can't tell him a joke he's never heard or surprise him in any way. I feel bad for him since that is such an important aspect of being human.

BTW, God does have a sense of humor. He created it, after all. And don't feel sorry for Him. Feel sorry for everyone who rejects Him.