Domestic Violence Shooting in California

[emilynghiem]

I got an alert at work in Houston about a shooting at one of the stores in California.
Apparently the store employees were trained to follow an emergency protocol on how to evacuate customers out of the store. One customer got shot in the hand, and the target of the gunman was shot later in a standoff outside. The employee was reported in critical condition, and only the gunman died after being shot by police.

I hate to hear of this, especially right after reading about the doctor in Louisiana shot dead by a mentally ill man.

But the good news here, at least the gunman didn't get anyone killed but himself.
The employees were prepared, followed protocol and reduced the risks of worse damage or death.
The police acted effectively, where there were no additional losses. (I'm still sorry this man couldn't be saved from himself; I wish we could have earlier intervention and learn to diffuse these situations before the point of no return.)

Also, when the information came to me directly from the top, to make sure the correct information was disseminated, the media reports appear to be consistent with what was confirmed by people at the site.
I took that as a good sign, and hope of transparency that we can get our media to match what really happens.

I've lived through crises where the reality on the ground is nothing like what is reported in the news. Overall I was impressed that the police and employees were able to manage this and cap the damages and losses. I am sorry for the people who got shot, including the gunman and really hope to see prevention in the future.

If more people respond this effectively to deadly shootings, terror attacks, etc.
we can survive and prevent more fatalities in the future.

My thanks go to the police and the professional management training that worked as well as could be asked.
My heart goes out to the shooting victims, staff and customers affected by this incident,
and the families and community that have to deal with the aftermath.

May it lead to healing and greater understanding, appreciation of what went right here,
and outreach to prevent such abuse and violence by earlier intervention before it's too late to save someone.

May all the people who need help, find help without having to cry out in this way.
So sad, at the same time I am glad, grateful for how professionally all the people responded.
Reminds me of the Arizona shooting, and how the focus on positive response by the community
did more to inspire me with hope that outweighed the negative feelings surrounding that tragedy.

For all the humble unsung heroes out there who make all the difference in life,
Thank you!

====================================
Here is the story online:
Gunman Critically Wounds Ex-Girlfriend During Hourslong Hostage Standoff, Is Fatally Shot by Officers

A woman was critically injured during an apparent "domestic violence shooting" after being held hostage, and her ex-boyfriend was killed by police after a nearly three-hour long standoff on Thursday, according to authorities.

Authorities initially received a call around 2:20 p.m. regarding a man firing a gun in the parking lot of an Office Depot on Orange Street, according to a news release from the Redlands Police Department.


Redlands police officers were at the scene of a hostage standoff on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

The alleged gunman, later identified by police as 29-year-old Andrew Mike, then entered the store in search of his recently estranged girlfriend, the release stated.

A confrontation allegedly occurred inside the store and Mike again fired his weapon, this time striking a bystander who was hit in the hand.

Redlands police Chief Mark Garcia tweeted that one person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening.


One person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening, police said. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Police said Mike then forced the woman, identified by her father as Kristin Bauer, 28, to leave the store through a back exit and walk eastbound into a residential area on High Street.

The two could be seen sitting in a grassy area next to the street surrounded by a SWAT team and sharp-shooters, aerials from Sky5 showed.

"Crisis negotiators spent over two hours trying to secure the release of the hostage and a safe conclusion to the event," according to the release.


Authorities tried to negotiate with a gunman in Redlands who was holding his ex-girlfriend hostage on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Greg Bauer told the San Bernardino Sun that he spoke with his daughter by cellphone during the terrifying ordeal.

"She kept telling him, 'You gotta let me go. You gotta let me go.' And, he said, 'I'm not afraid to die,'" Bauer told the newspaper.

Just after 4:30 p.m., Mike shot Kristin Bauer and an officer-involved shooting occurred.

Mike was pronounced dead at the scene, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said at a news conference following the shooting.

Kristin Bauer was transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center by helicopter.

She was listed in critical condition.

The Redlands Police Department was investigating the crimes that occurred in the Office Depot parking lot and store. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department was conducting the investigation into the shooting that occurred on High Avenue.

 

[Dhara]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

 

[emilynghiem]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

 

[Dhara]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

Counseling is all well and good, but some abusers can't stop their abuse. They should NOT be gun owners.

 

[1stRambo]

I got an alert at work in Houston about a shooting at one of the stores in California.
Apparently the store employees were trained to follow an emergency protocol on how to evacuate customers out of the store. One customer got shot in the hand, and the target of the gunman was shot later in a standoff outside. The employee was reported in critical condition, and only the gunman died after being shot by police.

I hate to hear of this, especially right after reading about the doctor in Louisiana shot dead by a mentally ill man.

But the good news here, at least the gunman didn't get anyone killed but himself.
The employees were prepared, followed protocol and reduced the risks of worse damage or death.
The police acted effectively, where there were no additional losses. (I'm still sorry this man couldn't be saved from himself; I wish we could have earlier intervention and learn to diffuse these situations before the point of no return.)

Also, when the information came to me directly from the top, to make sure the correct information was disseminated, the media reports appear to be consistent with what was confirmed by people at the site.
I took that as a good sign, and hope of transparency that we can get our media to match what really happens.

I've lived through crises where the reality on the ground is nothing like what is reported in the news. Overall I was impressed that the police and employees were able to manage this and cap the damages and losses. I am sorry for the people who got shot, including the gunman and really hope to see prevention in the future.

If more people respond this effectively to deadly shootings, terror attacks, etc.
we can survive and prevent more fatalities in the future.

My thanks go to the police and the professional management training that worked as well as could be asked.
My heart goes out to the shooting victims, staff and customers affected by this incident,
and the families and community that have to deal with the aftermath.

May it lead to healing and greater understanding, appreciation of what went right here,
and outreach to prevent such abuse and violence by earlier intervention before it's too late to save someone.

May all the people who need help, find help without having to cry out in this way.
So sad, at the same time I am glad, grateful for how professionally all the people responded.
Reminds me of the Arizona shooting, and how the focus on positive response by the community
did more to inspire me with hope that outweighed the negative feelings surrounding that tragedy.

For all the humble unsung heroes out there who make all the difference in life,
Thank you!

====================================
Here is the story online:
Gunman Critically Wounds Ex-Girlfriend During Hourslong Hostage Standoff, Is Fatally Shot by Officers

A woman was critically injured during an apparent "domestic violence shooting" after being held hostage, and her ex-boyfriend was killed by police after a nearly three-hour long standoff on Thursday, according to authorities.

Authorities initially received a call around 2:20 p.m. regarding a man firing a gun in the parking lot of an Office Depot on Orange Street, according to a news release from the Redlands Police Department.


Redlands police officers were at the scene of a hostage standoff on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

The alleged gunman, later identified by police as 29-year-old Andrew Mike, then entered the store in search of his recently estranged girlfriend, the release stated.

A confrontation allegedly occurred inside the store and Mike again fired his weapon, this time striking a bystander who was hit in the hand.

Redlands police Chief Mark Garcia tweeted that one person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening.


One person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening, police said. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Police said Mike then forced the woman, identified by her father as Kristin Bauer, 28, to leave the store through a back exit and walk eastbound into a residential area on High Street.

The two could be seen sitting in a grassy area next to the street surrounded by a SWAT team and sharp-shooters, aerials from Sky5 showed.

"Crisis negotiators spent over two hours trying to secure the release of the hostage and a safe conclusion to the event," according to the release.


Authorities tried to negotiate with a gunman in Redlands who was holding his ex-girlfriend hostage on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Greg Bauer told the San Bernardino Sun that he spoke with his daughter by cellphone during the terrifying ordeal.

"She kept telling him, 'You gotta let me go. You gotta let me go.' And, he said, 'I'm not afraid to die,'" Bauer told the newspaper.

Just after 4:30 p.m., Mike shot Kristin Bauer and an officer-involved shooting occurred.

Mike was pronounced dead at the scene, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said at a news conference following the shooting.

Kristin Bauer was transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center by helicopter.

She was listed in critical condition.

The Redlands Police Department was investigating the crimes that occurred in the Office Depot parking lot and store. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department was conducting the investigation into the shooting that occurred on High Avenue.

Yo, another words? Be armed and ready to blow away an un-American Dumb-Ass!!!

"GTP"

 

[jillian]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

 

[charwin95]

I got an alert at work in Houston about a shooting at one of the stores in California.
Apparently the store employees were trained to follow an emergency protocol on how to evacuate customers out of the store. One customer got shot in the hand, and the target of the gunman was shot later in a standoff outside. The employee was reported in critical condition, and only the gunman died after being shot by police.

I hate to hear of this, especially right after reading about the doctor in Louisiana shot dead by a mentally ill man.

But the good news here, at least the gunman didn't get anyone killed but himself.
The employees were prepared, followed protocol and reduced the risks of worse damage or death.
The police acted effectively, where there were no additional losses. (I'm still sorry this man couldn't be saved from himself; I wish we could have earlier intervention and learn to diffuse these situations before the point of no return.)

Also, when the information came to me directly from the top, to make sure the correct information was disseminated, the media reports appear to be consistent with what was confirmed by people at the site.
I took that as a good sign, and hope of transparency that we can get our media to match what really happens.

I've lived through crises where the reality on the ground is nothing like what is reported in the news. Overall I was impressed that the police and employees were able to manage this and cap the damages and losses. I am sorry for the people who got shot, including the gunman and really hope to see prevention in the future.

If more people respond this effectively to deadly shootings, terror attacks, etc.
we can survive and prevent more fatalities in the future.

My thanks go to the police and the professional management training that worked as well as could be asked.
My heart goes out to the shooting victims, staff and customers affected by this incident,
and the families and community that have to deal with the aftermath.

May it lead to healing and greater understanding, appreciation of what went right here,
and outreach to prevent such abuse and violence by earlier intervention before it's too late to save someone.

May all the people who need help, find help without having to cry out in this way.
So sad, at the same time I am glad, grateful for how professionally all the people responded.
Reminds me of the Arizona shooting, and how the focus on positive response by the community
did more to inspire me with hope that outweighed the negative feelings surrounding that tragedy.

For all the humble unsung heroes out there who make all the difference in life,
Thank you!

====================================
Here is the story online:
Gunman Critically Wounds Ex-Girlfriend During Hourslong Hostage Standoff, Is Fatally Shot by Officers

A woman was critically injured during an apparent "domestic violence shooting" after being held hostage, and her ex-boyfriend was killed by police after a nearly three-hour long standoff on Thursday, according to authorities.

Authorities initially received a call around 2:20 p.m. regarding a man firing a gun in the parking lot of an Office Depot on Orange Street, according to a news release from the Redlands Police Department.


Redlands police officers were at the scene of a hostage standoff on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

The alleged gunman, later identified by police as 29-year-old Andrew Mike, then entered the store in search of his recently estranged girlfriend, the release stated.

A confrontation allegedly occurred inside the store and Mike again fired his weapon, this time striking a bystander who was hit in the hand.

Redlands police Chief Mark Garcia tweeted that one person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening.


One person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening, police said. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Police said Mike then forced the woman, identified by her father as Kristin Bauer, 28, to leave the store through a back exit and walk eastbound into a residential area on High Street.

The two could be seen sitting in a grassy area next to the street surrounded by a SWAT team and sharp-shooters, aerials from Sky5 showed.

"Crisis negotiators spent over two hours trying to secure the release of the hostage and a safe conclusion to the event," according to the release.


Authorities tried to negotiate with a gunman in Redlands who was holding his ex-girlfriend hostage on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Greg Bauer told the San Bernardino Sun that he spoke with his daughter by cellphone during the terrifying ordeal.

"She kept telling him, 'You gotta let me go. You gotta let me go.' And, he said, 'I'm not afraid to die,'" Bauer told the newspaper.

Just after 4:30 p.m., Mike shot Kristin Bauer and an officer-involved shooting occurred.

Mike was pronounced dead at the scene, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said at a news conference following the shooting.

Kristin Bauer was transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center by helicopter.

She was listed in critical condition.

The Redlands Police Department was investigating the crimes that occurred in the Office Depot parking lot and store. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department was conducting the investigation into the shooting that occurred on High Avenue.

Yo, another words? Be armed and ready to blow away an un-American Dumb-Ass!!!

"GTP"
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Oh oh....... Here comes Rambo.

 

[1stRambo]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Yo, if it`s your time to see GOD? Nothing you can do about it! Gun, Knife, Car, Brick, Frying Pan, or just a rope or wire, you cannot stop a killing!!! If someone wants to kill someone? It`s going to happen! Don`t be naive!!!

"GTP"

 

[emilynghiem]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

 

[jillian]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Yo, if it`s your time to see GOD? Nothing you can do about it! Gun, Knife, Car, Brick, Frying Pan, or just a rope or wire, you cannot stop a killing!!! If someone wants to kill someone? It`s going to happen! Don`t be naive!!!

"GTP"
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so you don't believe there should be laws against, murder, because, hey, if it's your time, you gotta go?

that may be one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.

 

[jillian]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

i know what you're talking about.

and i'm talking about reality.

 

[1stRambo]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

Hi Emily, Yo, nobody is going to see a nut in public, unless he acts like one? So, there is no solution, period!

"GTP"

 

[jillian]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

i know what you're talking about.

and i'm talking about reality.

it's not about "mental illness", most abusers wouldn't come up mentally ill.

it's about keeping guns away from violent people.

 

[jillian]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

Hi Emily, Yo, nobody is going to see a nut in public, unless he acts like one? So, there is no solution, period!

"GTP"
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yes, there is. if someone ends up with an order of protection against him due to domestic violence, he loses his right to have guns.

end of story.

 

[1stRambo]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Yo, if it`s your time to see GOD? Nothing you can do about it! Gun, Knife, Car, Brick, Frying Pan, or just a rope or wire, you cannot stop a killing!!! If someone wants to kill someone? It`s going to happen! Don`t be naive!!!

"GTP"
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so you don't believe there should be laws against, murder, because, hey, if it's your time, you gotta go?

that may be one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.

Yo, yes, FRY the Bastard, but nothing can be done until after the fact!

 

[1stRambo]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

i know what you're talking about.

and i'm talking about reality.

it's not about "mental illness", most abusers wouldn't come up mentally ill.

it's about keeping guns away from violent people.

Yo, who is violent? Can you explain? They need to have a record first? But if they don`t? You`re dead!

"GTP"

 

[1stRambo]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

Hi Emily, Yo, nobody is going to see a nut in public, unless he acts like one? So, there is no solution, period!

"GTP"
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yes, there is. if someone ends up with an order of protection against him due to domestic violence, he loses his right to have guns.

end of story.

Yo, sweet girl? But you are wrong! Google how many women died because their boyfriend or husband wanted to kill them after a Protection Order was placed against them? Reality!

"GTP"

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I got an alert at work in Houston about a shooting at one of the stores in California.
Apparently the store employees were trained to follow an emergency protocol on how to evacuate customers out of the store. One customer got shot in the hand, and the target of the gunman was shot later in a standoff outside. The employee was reported in critical condition, and only the gunman died after being shot by police.

I hate to hear of this, especially right after reading about the doctor in Louisiana shot dead by a mentally ill man.

But the good news here, at least the gunman didn't get anyone killed but himself.
The employees were prepared, followed protocol and reduced the risks of worse damage or death.
The police acted effectively, where there were no additional losses. (I'm still sorry this man couldn't be saved from himself; I wish we could have earlier intervention and learn to diffuse these situations before the point of no return.)

Also, when the information came to me directly from the top, to make sure the correct information was disseminated, the media reports appear to be consistent with what was confirmed by people at the site.
I took that as a good sign, and hope of transparency that we can get our media to match what really happens.

I've lived through crises where the reality on the ground is nothing like what is reported in the news. Overall I was impressed that the police and employees were able to manage this and cap the damages and losses. I am sorry for the people who got shot, including the gunman and really hope to see prevention in the future.

If more people respond this effectively to deadly shootings, terror attacks, etc.
we can survive and prevent more fatalities in the future.

My thanks go to the police and the professional management training that worked as well as could be asked.
My heart goes out to the shooting victims, staff and customers affected by this incident,
and the families and community that have to deal with the aftermath.

May it lead to healing and greater understanding, appreciation of what went right here,
and outreach to prevent such abuse and violence by earlier intervention before it's too late to save someone.

May all the people who need help, find help without having to cry out in this way.
So sad, at the same time I am glad, grateful for how professionally all the people responded.
Reminds me of the Arizona shooting, and how the focus on positive response by the community
did more to inspire me with hope that outweighed the negative feelings surrounding that tragedy.

For all the humble unsung heroes out there who make all the difference in life,
Thank you!

====================================
Here is the story online:
Gunman Critically Wounds Ex-Girlfriend During Hourslong Hostage Standoff, Is Fatally Shot by Officers

A woman was critically injured during an apparent "domestic violence shooting" after being held hostage, and her ex-boyfriend was killed by police after a nearly three-hour long standoff on Thursday, according to authorities.

Authorities initially received a call around 2:20 p.m. regarding a man firing a gun in the parking lot of an Office Depot on Orange Street, according to a news release from the Redlands Police Department.


Redlands police officers were at the scene of a hostage standoff on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

The alleged gunman, later identified by police as 29-year-old Andrew Mike, then entered the store in search of his recently estranged girlfriend, the release stated.

A confrontation allegedly occurred inside the store and Mike again fired his weapon, this time striking a bystander who was hit in the hand.

Redlands police Chief Mark Garcia tweeted that one person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening.


One person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening, police said. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Police said Mike then forced the woman, identified by her father as Kristin Bauer, 28, to leave the store through a back exit and walk eastbound into a residential area on High Street.

The two could be seen sitting in a grassy area next to the street surrounded by a SWAT team and sharp-shooters, aerials from Sky5 showed.

"Crisis negotiators spent over two hours trying to secure the release of the hostage and a safe conclusion to the event," according to the release.


Authorities tried to negotiate with a gunman in Redlands who was holding his ex-girlfriend hostage on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Greg Bauer told the San Bernardino Sun that he spoke with his daughter by cellphone during the terrifying ordeal.

"She kept telling him, 'You gotta let me go. You gotta let me go.' And, he said, 'I'm not afraid to die,'" Bauer told the newspaper.

Just after 4:30 p.m., Mike shot Kristin Bauer and an officer-involved shooting occurred.

Mike was pronounced dead at the scene, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said at a news conference following the shooting.

Kristin Bauer was transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center by helicopter.

She was listed in critical condition.

The Redlands Police Department was investigating the crimes that occurred in the Office Depot parking lot and store. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department was conducting the investigation into the shooting that occurred on High Avenue.

Yo, another words? Be armed and ready to blow away an un-American Dumb-Ass!!!

"GTP"
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Oh oh....... Here comes Rambo.

YoYo is a silly twerp and the opposite of the fictional character he pretends to be but

This story illustrates the belief of some nutters that those who beat up on women should be armed.

Just FYI for y'all - Men who murder their wives get an average of 7 years in prison. Women who kill abusive husbands in self defense get life in prison or death.

 

[1stRambo]

I got an alert at work in Houston about a shooting at one of the stores in California.
Apparently the store employees were trained to follow an emergency protocol on how to evacuate customers out of the store. One customer got shot in the hand, and the target of the gunman was shot later in a standoff outside. The employee was reported in critical condition, and only the gunman died after being shot by police.

I hate to hear of this, especially right after reading about the doctor in Louisiana shot dead by a mentally ill man.

But the good news here, at least the gunman didn't get anyone killed but himself.
The employees were prepared, followed protocol and reduced the risks of worse damage or death.
The police acted effectively, where there were no additional losses. (I'm still sorry this man couldn't be saved from himself; I wish we could have earlier intervention and learn to diffuse these situations before the point of no return.)

Also, when the information came to me directly from the top, to make sure the correct information was disseminated, the media reports appear to be consistent with what was confirmed by people at the site.
I took that as a good sign, and hope of transparency that we can get our media to match what really happens.

I've lived through crises where the reality on the ground is nothing like what is reported in the news. Overall I was impressed that the police and employees were able to manage this and cap the damages and losses. I am sorry for the people who got shot, including the gunman and really hope to see prevention in the future.

If more people respond this effectively to deadly shootings, terror attacks, etc.
we can survive and prevent more fatalities in the future.

My thanks go to the police and the professional management training that worked as well as could be asked.
My heart goes out to the shooting victims, staff and customers affected by this incident,
and the families and community that have to deal with the aftermath.

May it lead to healing and greater understanding, appreciation of what went right here,
and outreach to prevent such abuse and violence by earlier intervention before it's too late to save someone.

May all the people who need help, find help without having to cry out in this way.
So sad, at the same time I am glad, grateful for how professionally all the people responded.
Reminds me of the Arizona shooting, and how the focus on positive response by the community
did more to inspire me with hope that outweighed the negative feelings surrounding that tragedy.

For all the humble unsung heroes out there who make all the difference in life,
Thank you!

====================================
Here is the story online:
Gunman Critically Wounds Ex-Girlfriend During Hourslong Hostage Standoff, Is Fatally Shot by Officers

A woman was critically injured during an apparent "domestic violence shooting" after being held hostage, and her ex-boyfriend was killed by police after a nearly three-hour long standoff on Thursday, according to authorities.

Authorities initially received a call around 2:20 p.m. regarding a man firing a gun in the parking lot of an Office Depot on Orange Street, according to a news release from the Redlands Police Department.


Redlands police officers were at the scene of a hostage standoff on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

The alleged gunman, later identified by police as 29-year-old Andrew Mike, then entered the store in search of his recently estranged girlfriend, the release stated.

A confrontation allegedly occurred inside the store and Mike again fired his weapon, this time striking a bystander who was hit in the hand.

Redlands police Chief Mark Garcia tweeted that one person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening.


One person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening, police said. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Police said Mike then forced the woman, identified by her father as Kristin Bauer, 28, to leave the store through a back exit and walk eastbound into a residential area on High Street.

The two could be seen sitting in a grassy area next to the street surrounded by a SWAT team and sharp-shooters, aerials from Sky5 showed.

"Crisis negotiators spent over two hours trying to secure the release of the hostage and a safe conclusion to the event," according to the release.


Authorities tried to negotiate with a gunman in Redlands who was holding his ex-girlfriend hostage on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Greg Bauer told the San Bernardino Sun that he spoke with his daughter by cellphone during the terrifying ordeal.

"She kept telling him, 'You gotta let me go. You gotta let me go.' And, he said, 'I'm not afraid to die,'" Bauer told the newspaper.

Just after 4:30 p.m., Mike shot Kristin Bauer and an officer-involved shooting occurred.

Mike was pronounced dead at the scene, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said at a news conference following the shooting.

Kristin Bauer was transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center by helicopter.

She was listed in critical condition.

The Redlands Police Department was investigating the crimes that occurred in the Office Depot parking lot and store. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department was conducting the investigation into the shooting that occurred on High Avenue.

Yo, another words? Be armed and ready to blow away an un-American Dumb-Ass!!!

"GTP"
View attachment 68932

Oh oh....... Here comes Rambo.

YoYo is a silly twerp and the opposite of the fictional character he pretends to be but

This story illustrates the belief of some nutters that those who beat up on women should be armed.

Just FYI for y'all - Men who murder their wives get an average of 7 years in prison. Women who kill abusive husbands in self defense get life in prison or death.

Yo, Dunce? Stop lying like your Socialist President? We know he teaches all of his Puppets to lie, but we know his Agenda!

"GTP"

 

[The Great Goose]

The OP was too long.

I recently was in an abusive relationship. It's the testosterone. He went to hit me but I stood him down with words.