Donald Trump tries to walk back claim Obama founded ISIS: 'Sarcasm'

well the perception politically is clearly that ISIS is a result of Obama foreign policy.......thats not in dispute.:bye1:

So this is just another thread manufactured in Candyland by progressives.:coffee:

Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link

Donald Trump claims that President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “founded ISIS.” But the origin of the Islamic State terrorist group dates back to the Bush administration.
Trump points to the withdrawal of troops from Iraq in 2011, under Obama, as “the founding of ISIS,” but experts say the expansion of the Islamic State after that point can’t be pinned on the troop withdrawal alone — if at all. And there’s the fact that President George W. Bush had signed the agreement and set the date for that withdrawal.
“It’s a massively complex problem,” Clint Watts, the Robert A. Fox fellow in the Foreign Policy Research Institute’s Program on the Middle East, told us. It “goes beyond one single policy decision about keeping or moving troops.”
Furthermore, Trump himself supported withdrawing troops from Iraq as early as 2007, telling CNN in a March 16, 2007, interview that the U.S. should “declare victory and leave, because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. … [T]his is a total catastrophe and you might as well get out now, because you just are wasting time.”
(snip)

RS, “The Islamic State and U.S. Policy,” June 27: The Islamic State’s direct ideological and organizational roots lie in the forces built and led by the late Abu Musab al Zarqawi in Iraq from 2002 through 2006. … Zarqawi took advantage of Sunni animosity toward U.S. forces and feelings of disenfranchisement at the hands of Iraq’s Shia and Kurds to advance a uniquely sectarian agenda that differed from Al Qaeda’s in important ways. … Following Zarqawi’s death at the hands of U.S. forces in June 2006, AQ-I leaders repackaged the group as a coalition called the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI). ISI lost its two top leaders in 2010 and was weakened, but not eliminated, by the time of the U.S. withdrawal in 2011. The precise nature of ISI’s relationship to Al Qaeda leaders from 2006 onward is unclear.
Watts, with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said that 2006 was when the “big governance model” of what we now see as the Islamic State was formed. There was “some divergence from the al Qaeda brand name” and disagreements between the two groups at this point. When the U.S. troops withdrew, the terrorist group had gone underground, with members in prisons or detention camps, Watts said. In 2011 and 2012, the group was “lightly functioning,” but still in existence.
By 2013, the terrorist group was again launching attacks in Iraq and had spread to Syria, taking advantage of that country’s internal strike. Syria’s civil war started in March 2011.
Critics and experts have pointed to several actions during the Bush and Obama administrations that could have contributed to the rise of ISIS:The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
  • The decisions by the U.S.-led provisional coalition government in 2003 to disband the Iraqi army and dissolve and ban the Baath Party, which drove Sunnis into militant groups.
  • The rule of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, whose Shia government further ostracized Sunnis. “By disbanding the army and making the Baath party illegal and putting in power a Shiite like Maliki, you alienated and radicalized the Sunnis, and gave rise to ISIS in the process,” Haykel told us.
  • The withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011 — a date set by an agreement with the Iraqi government that was signed by President Bush in 2008, and left unchanged by the Obama administration.
Much more at:
Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link

Talking points versus facts and consensus, which one do you believe?
Total hogwash.

The reason we remained in Iraq after we deposed Saddam was to prevent a vacuum from forming with which an Islamic State could fill. The problem is always Democrats and their corrupt media blaming Republicans for their intentional screw ups. Obama was warned what would happen if he pulled everyone out and he did it anyway. He's so irresponsible because he figures that something terrible he caused to happen would never be blamed on him. Who cares that he took credit for the pull-out, then turned around and blamed Bush when everything went to shit because of it. This is why it's dangerous to let a Democrat occupy the White House. The media lets them get away with everything.
 
Obama did his part to create ISIS, and is doing his part to keep them armed and rolling in cash.

/sarcasm

Obama agreed with Trump. Trump didn't say Obama "founded" ISIS, he said he "created" ISIS. That means making it is what it is. Obama said they were the "JV team" when he took over. Nice job there Obama, turning ISIS into a real organization

Your feelings are hurt

Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.

Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."

Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally - CNNPolitics.com
 
T -rump will do anything to be in the headlines


Donald Trump on Friday attempted to walk back the widely criticized false claim he repeatedly made over the last two days that President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were "co-founders" of ISIS -- saying he was being sarcastic.

Trump tweeted Friday morning that the media was missing his sarcasm.


Donald Trump tries to walk back Obama founding ISIS comments: 'Sarcasm' - CNNPolitics.com


Fred Trump Taught His Son the Essentials of Showboating Self-Promotion

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/us/politics/fred-donald-trump-father.html

Since as Obama said when he took over ISIS was the "JV team," what Trump meant was Obama took them to the varsity level

Except when someone asked him if thats what he meant he said "No, I mean Obama is the founder" :badgrin:

OK on the word, but when he clarifies he considers the founding of ISIS to be when it took off when we left Iraq. I don't agree with is use of the word.

Still way less stupid than Obama calling them the "JV Team"
 
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.

Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."


Hewitt pushed back again, saying that Obama is "not sympathetic" to ISIS and "hates" and is "trying to kill them."
"I don't care," Trump said, according to a showtranscript. "He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?"
 
well the perception politically is clearly that ISIS is a result of Obama foreign policy.......thats not in dispute.:bye1:

So this is just another thread manufactured in Candyland by progressives.:coffee:

Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link

Donald Trump claims that President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “founded ISIS.” But the origin of the Islamic State terrorist group dates back to the Bush administration.
Trump points to the withdrawal of troops from Iraq in 2011, under Obama, as “the founding of ISIS,” but experts say the expansion of the Islamic State after that point can’t be pinned on the troop withdrawal alone — if at all. And there’s the fact that President George W. Bush had signed the agreement and set the date for that withdrawal.
“It’s a massively complex problem,” Clint Watts, the Robert A. Fox fellow in the Foreign Policy Research Institute’s Program on the Middle East, told us. It “goes beyond one single policy decision about keeping or moving troops.”
Furthermore, Trump himself supported withdrawing troops from Iraq as early as 2007, telling CNN in a March 16, 2007, interview that the U.S. should “declare victory and leave, because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. … [T]his is a total catastrophe and you might as well get out now, because you just are wasting time.”
(snip)

RS, “The Islamic State and U.S. Policy,” June 27: The Islamic State’s direct ideological and organizational roots lie in the forces built and led by the late Abu Musab al Zarqawi in Iraq from 2002 through 2006. … Zarqawi took advantage of Sunni animosity toward U.S. forces and feelings of disenfranchisement at the hands of Iraq’s Shia and Kurds to advance a uniquely sectarian agenda that differed from Al Qaeda’s in important ways. … Following Zarqawi’s death at the hands of U.S. forces in June 2006, AQ-I leaders repackaged the group as a coalition called the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI). ISI lost its two top leaders in 2010 and was weakened, but not eliminated, by the time of the U.S. withdrawal in 2011. The precise nature of ISI’s relationship to Al Qaeda leaders from 2006 onward is unclear.
Watts, with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said that 2006 was when the “big governance model” of what we now see as the Islamic State was formed. There was “some divergence from the al Qaeda brand name” and disagreements between the two groups at this point. When the U.S. troops withdrew, the terrorist group had gone underground, with members in prisons or detention camps, Watts said. In 2011 and 2012, the group was “lightly functioning,” but still in existence.
By 2013, the terrorist group was again launching attacks in Iraq and had spread to Syria, taking advantage of that country’s internal strike. Syria’s civil war started in March 2011.
Critics and experts have pointed to several actions during the Bush and Obama administrations that could have contributed to the rise of ISIS:The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
  • The decisions by the U.S.-led provisional coalition government in 2003 to disband the Iraqi army and dissolve and ban the Baath Party, which drove Sunnis into militant groups.
  • The rule of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, whose Shia government further ostracized Sunnis. “By disbanding the army and making the Baath party illegal and putting in power a Shiite like Maliki, you alienated and radicalized the Sunnis, and gave rise to ISIS in the process,” Haykel told us.
  • The withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011 — a date set by an agreement with the Iraqi government that was signed by President Bush in 2008, and left unchanged by the Obama administration.
Much more at:
Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link

Talking points versus facts and consensus, which one do you believe?
Total hogwash.

The reason we remained in Iraq after we deposed Saddam was to prevent a vacuum from forming with which an Islamic State could fill. The problem is always Democrats and their corrupt media blaming Republicans for their intentional screw ups. Obama was warned what would happen if he pulled everyone out and he did it anyway. He's so irresponsible because he figures that something terrible he caused to happen would never be blamed on him. Who cares that he took credit for the pull-out, then turned around and blamed Bush when everything went to shit because of it. This is why it's dangerous to let a Democrat occupy the White House. The media lets them get away with everything.

What year did your country pull out?

You people and your mythology are saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
 
Obama did his part to create ISIS, and is doing his part to keep them armed and rolling in cash.

/sarcasm

Obama agreed with Trump. Trump didn't say Obama "founded" ISIS, he said he "created" ISIS. That means making it is what it is. Obama said they were the "JV team" when he took over. Nice job there Obama, turning ISIS into a real organization

Your feelings are hurt

Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.

Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."

Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally - CNNPolitics.com

Whoa there cowgirl, here's a tissue. Damn you cry easy. go play with your dolls for a while
 
well the perception politically is clearly that ISIS is a result of Obama foreign policy.......thats not in dispute.:bye1:

So this is just another thread manufactured in Candyland by progressives.:coffee:

Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link

Donald Trump claims that President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “founded ISIS.” But the origin of the Islamic State terrorist group dates back to the Bush administration.
Trump points to the withdrawal of troops from Iraq in 2011, under Obama, as “the founding of ISIS,” but experts say the expansion of the Islamic State after that point can’t be pinned on the troop withdrawal alone — if at all. And there’s the fact that President George W. Bush had signed the agreement and set the date for that withdrawal.
“It’s a massively complex problem,” Clint Watts, the Robert A. Fox fellow in the Foreign Policy Research Institute’s Program on the Middle East, told us. It “goes beyond one single policy decision about keeping or moving troops.”
Furthermore, Trump himself supported withdrawing troops from Iraq as early as 2007, telling CNN in a March 16, 2007, interview that the U.S. should “declare victory and leave, because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. … [T]his is a total catastrophe and you might as well get out now, because you just are wasting time.”
(snip)

RS, “The Islamic State and U.S. Policy,” June 27: The Islamic State’s direct ideological and organizational roots lie in the forces built and led by the late Abu Musab al Zarqawi in Iraq from 2002 through 2006. … Zarqawi took advantage of Sunni animosity toward U.S. forces and feelings of disenfranchisement at the hands of Iraq’s Shia and Kurds to advance a uniquely sectarian agenda that differed from Al Qaeda’s in important ways. … Following Zarqawi’s death at the hands of U.S. forces in June 2006, AQ-I leaders repackaged the group as a coalition called the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI). ISI lost its two top leaders in 2010 and was weakened, but not eliminated, by the time of the U.S. withdrawal in 2011. The precise nature of ISI’s relationship to Al Qaeda leaders from 2006 onward is unclear.
Watts, with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said that 2006 was when the “big governance model” of what we now see as the Islamic State was formed. There was “some divergence from the al Qaeda brand name” and disagreements between the two groups at this point. When the U.S. troops withdrew, the terrorist group had gone underground, with members in prisons or detention camps, Watts said. In 2011 and 2012, the group was “lightly functioning,” but still in existence.
By 2013, the terrorist group was again launching attacks in Iraq and had spread to Syria, taking advantage of that country’s internal strike. Syria’s civil war started in March 2011.
Critics and experts have pointed to several actions during the Bush and Obama administrations that could have contributed to the rise of ISIS:The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
  • The decisions by the U.S.-led provisional coalition government in 2003 to disband the Iraqi army and dissolve and ban the Baath Party, which drove Sunnis into militant groups.
  • The rule of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, whose Shia government further ostracized Sunnis. “By disbanding the army and making the Baath party illegal and putting in power a Shiite like Maliki, you alienated and radicalized the Sunnis, and gave rise to ISIS in the process,” Haykel told us.
  • The withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011 — a date set by an agreement with the Iraqi government that was signed by President Bush in 2008, and left unchanged by the Obama administration.
Much more at:
Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link

Talking points versus facts and consensus, which one do you believe?



lol.....s0n......you're not getting it. This is a POLITICS forum. Obama has owned the ISIS moniker long before Trump won the nomination. Thats been the perception for at least the past 18 months so the spin attempt is ghey.:gay: Trump hammers on this because it is a political winner.......cant be effectively combated at this point by the other side.
 
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.

Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."


Hewitt pushed back again, saying that Obama is "not sympathetic" to ISIS and "hates" and is "trying to kill them."
"I don't care," Trump said, according to a showtranscript. "He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?"

Damn, you have some butt hurt on this one. Still deflecting from Obama calling ISIS the "JV Team?"
 
Obama did his part to create ISIS, and is doing his part to keep them armed and rolling in cash.

/sarcasm

Obama agreed with Trump. Trump didn't say Obama "founded" ISIS, he said he "created" ISIS. That means making it is what it is. Obama said they were the "JV team" when he took over. Nice job there Obama, turning ISIS into a real organization

Your feelings are hurt

Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.

Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."

Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally - CNNPolitics.com

Whoa there cowgirl, here's a tissue. Damn you cry easy. go play with your dolls for a while


Thats a clever way to cover up you were defending something different than what Trump actually said. Can you make up some more defenses?
 
How could it be that ISIS only began in 2012 when the Islamophobes have been telling us that radical Muslims have had plans to form the 'caliphate' for decades?
 
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.

Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."


Hewitt pushed back again, saying that Obama is "not sympathetic" to ISIS and "hates" and is "trying to kill them."
"I don't care," Trump said, according to a showtranscript. "He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?"

Damn, you have some butt hurt on this one. Still deflecting from Obama calling ISIS the "JV Team?"

Compared to what Al Qaeda did to us, and compared to how badly ISIS is currently being defeated,

they were and are the JV team.
 
Look at Kaz lol

. Trump didn't say Obama "founded" ISIS, he said he "created" ISIS.

Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally - CNNPolitics.com
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."



So you have to ask. WTF is Kaz talking about? LOL
 
The U.S./West and Saudi Arabia have been the chief financiers of ISIS in Syria. It's all about their illegal 'Regime Change' policy. They wanted Assad dead. As a result, they unleashed pure hell over there. But it's not the first time they've funded and trained radical Islamists. And it won't be the last.

The U.S./West really has done a number on the Middle East. All their meddling has created so much bloody carnage. It's time to disengage from the Middle East. We've done enough damage over there.
 
Look at Kaz lol

. Trump didn't say Obama "founded" ISIS, he said he "created" ISIS.

Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally - CNNPolitics.com
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."



So you have to ask. WTF is Kaz talking about? LOL

Yes, he used the word "founded" wrong.

Did Obama use the term ISIS is the "JV team" wrong?
 
Obama did his part to create ISIS, and is doing his part to keep them armed and rolling in cash.

And see, even as Trump throws them under the bus, the Trumptards blithely keep on defending him.


They were all like: Trump is right!

Then Trump said he was just joking and its not true and they say

Trump is right!

This happens all the time. Some idiot on the Right says something idiotic, all the usual suspects on the Right rush to defend it,

and then before you know it the original idiot is running away from it, and the idiot defenders are left holding the bag,

which of course they won't let go of because they are all programmed to never admit they were wrong.
 
Look at Kaz lol

. Trump didn't say Obama "founded" ISIS, he said he "created" ISIS.

Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally - CNNPolitics.com
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."



So you have to ask. WTF is Kaz talking about? LOL

Yes, he used the word "founded" wrong.

Did Obama use the term ISIS is the "JV team" wrong?

No.
 
The U.S./West and Saudi Arabia have been the chief financiers of ISIS in Syria. It's all about their illegal 'Regime Change' policy. They unleashed pure hell over there. But it's not the first time they've funded and trained radical Islamists. And it won't be the last.

The U.S./West really has done a number on the Middle East. All their meddling has created so much bloody carnage. It's time to disengage from the Middle East. We've done enough damage over there.

The US is funding ISIS? What are you talking about? BTW, did you run out of tinfoil? You know I can read your thoughts right now. And no that shirt doesn't look good on you
 
Look at Kaz lol

. Trump didn't say Obama "founded" ISIS, he said he "created" ISIS.

Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally - CNNPolitics.com
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."



So you have to ask. WTF is Kaz talking about? LOL

Yes, he used the word "founded" wrong.

Did Obama use the term ISIS is the "JV team" wrong?


Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally

:badgrin::badgrin::badgrin::badgrin::badgrin:
 

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