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well the perception politically is clearly that ISIS is a result of Obama foreign policy.......thats not in dispute.
So this is just another thread manufactured in Candyland by progressives.
The U.S./West and Saudi Arabia have been the chief financiers of ISIS in Syria. It's all about their illegal 'Regime Change' policy. They unleashed pure hell over there. But it's not the first time they've funded and trained radical Islamists. And it won't be the last.
The U.S./West really has done a number on the Middle East. All their meddling has created so much bloody carnage. It's time to disengage from the Middle East. We've done enough damage over there.
The US is funding ISIS? What are you talking about? BTW, did you run out of tinfoil? You know I can read your thoughts right now. And no that shirt doesn't look good on you
Total hogwash.well the perception politically is clearly that ISIS is a result of Obama foreign policy.......thats not in dispute.
So this is just another thread manufactured in Candyland by progressives.
Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link
Donald Trump claims that President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “founded ISIS.” But the origin of the Islamic State terrorist group dates back to the Bush administration.
Trump points to the withdrawal of troops from Iraq in 2011, under Obama, as “the founding of ISIS,” but experts say the expansion of the Islamic State after that point can’t be pinned on the troop withdrawal alone — if at all. And there’s the fact that President George W. Bush had signed the agreement and set the date for that withdrawal.
“It’s a massively complex problem,” Clint Watts, the Robert A. Fox fellow in the Foreign Policy Research Institute’s Program on the Middle East, told us. It “goes beyond one single policy decision about keeping or moving troops.”
Furthermore, Trump himself supported withdrawing troops from Iraq as early as 2007, telling CNN in a March 16, 2007, interview that the U.S. should “declare victory and leave, because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. … [T]his is a total catastrophe and you might as well get out now, because you just are wasting time.”
(snip)
RS, “The Islamic State and U.S. Policy,” June 27: The Islamic State’s direct ideological and organizational roots lie in the forces built and led by the late Abu Musab al Zarqawi in Iraq from 2002 through 2006. … Zarqawi took advantage of Sunni animosity toward U.S. forces and feelings of disenfranchisement at the hands of Iraq’s Shia and Kurds to advance a uniquely sectarian agenda that differed from Al Qaeda’s in important ways. … Following Zarqawi’s death at the hands of U.S. forces in June 2006, AQ-I leaders repackaged the group as a coalition called the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI). ISI lost its two top leaders in 2010 and was weakened, but not eliminated, by the time of the U.S. withdrawal in 2011. The precise nature of ISI’s relationship to Al Qaeda leaders from 2006 onward is unclear.
Watts, with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said that 2006 was when the “big governance model” of what we now see as the Islamic State was formed. There was “some divergence from the al Qaeda brand name” and disagreements between the two groups at this point. When the U.S. troops withdrew, the terrorist group had gone underground, with members in prisons or detention camps, Watts said. In 2011 and 2012, the group was “lightly functioning,” but still in existence.
By 2013, the terrorist group was again launching attacks in Iraq and had spread to Syria, taking advantage of that country’s internal strike. Syria’s civil war started in March 2011.
Critics and experts have pointed to several actions during the Bush and Obama administrations that could have contributed to the rise of ISIS:The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Much more at:
- The decisions by the U.S.-led provisional coalition government in 2003 to disband the Iraqi army and dissolve and ban the Baath Party, which drove Sunnis into militant groups.
- The rule of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, whose Shia government further ostracized Sunnis. “By disbanding the army and making the Baath party illegal and putting in power a Shiite like Maliki, you alienated and radicalized the Sunnis, and gave rise to ISIS in the process,” Haykel told us.
- The withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011 — a date set by an agreement with the Iraqi government that was signed by President Bush in 2008, and left unchanged by the Obama administration.
Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link
Talking points versus facts and consensus, which one do you believe?
The reason we remained in Iraq after we deposed Saddam was to prevent a vacuum from forming with which an Islamic State could fill. The problem is always Democrats and their corrupt media blaming Republicans for their intentional screw ups. Obama was warned what would happen if he pulled everyone out and he did it anyway. He's so irresponsible because he figures that something terrible he caused to happen would never be blamed on him. Who cares that he took credit for the pull-out, then turned around and blamed Bush when everything went to shit because of it. This is why it's dangerous to let a Democrat occupy the White House. The media lets them get away with everything.
Irrelevant to thread topic.
Everything that happens during his term of office are on his watch. Obama literally created a conflict in Libya and Syria when there was none before he took office. He also took down the Egyptian government and caused instability which the Egyptian military eliminated.Obama did his part to create ISIS, and is doing his part to keep them armed and rolling in cash.
And see, even as Trump throws them under the bus, the Trumptards blithely keep on defending him.
ISIS came to power under Obama and Hillary's watch, FACT! Go suck on that.
No, it didn't. Iraq and Syria were not part of Obama's 'watch', to start with.
Yea, his repeating it ten times in a day, was sarcasm.T -rump will do anything to be in the headlines
Donald Trump on Friday attempted to walk back the widely criticized false claim he repeatedly made over the last two days that President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were "co-founders" of ISIS -- saying he was being sarcastic.
Trump tweeted Friday morning that the media was missing his sarcasm.
Donald Trump tries to walk back Obama founding ISIS comments: 'Sarcasm' - CNNPolitics.com
Fred Trump Taught His Son the Essentials of Showboating Self-Promotion
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/us/politics/fred-donald-trump-father.html
well the perception politically is clearly that ISIS is a result of Obama foreign policy.......thats not in dispute.
So this is just another thread manufactured in Candyland by progressives.
Everything that happens during his term of office are on his watch. Obama literally created a conflict in Libya and Syria when there was none before he took office. He also took down the Egyptian government and caused instability which the Egyptian military eliminated.Obama did his part to create ISIS, and is doing his part to keep them armed and rolling in cash.
And see, even as Trump throws them under the bus, the Trumptards blithely keep on defending him.
ISIS came to power under Obama and Hillary's watch, FACT! Go suck on that.
No, it didn't. Iraq and Syria were not part of Obama's 'watch', to start with.
well the perception politically is clearly that ISIS is a result of Obama foreign policy.......thats not in dispute.
So this is just another thread manufactured in Candyland by progressives.
Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link
Donald Trump claims that President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “founded ISIS.” But the origin of the Islamic State terrorist group dates back to the Bush administration.
Trump points to the withdrawal of troops from Iraq in 2011, under Obama, as “the founding of ISIS,” but experts say the expansion of the Islamic State after that point can’t be pinned on the troop withdrawal alone — if at all. And there’s the fact that President George W. Bush had signed the agreement and set the date for that withdrawal.
“It’s a massively complex problem,” Clint Watts, the Robert A. Fox fellow in the Foreign Policy Research Institute’s Program on the Middle East, told us. It “goes beyond one single policy decision about keeping or moving troops.”
Furthermore, Trump himself supported withdrawing troops from Iraq as early as 2007, telling CNN in a March 16, 2007, interview that the U.S. should “declare victory and leave, because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. … [T]his is a total catastrophe and you might as well get out now, because you just are wasting time.”
(snip)
RS, “The Islamic State and U.S. Policy,” June 27: The Islamic State’s direct ideological and organizational roots lie in the forces built and led by the late Abu Musab al Zarqawi in Iraq from 2002 through 2006. … Zarqawi took advantage of Sunni animosity toward U.S. forces and feelings of disenfranchisement at the hands of Iraq’s Shia and Kurds to advance a uniquely sectarian agenda that differed from Al Qaeda’s in important ways. … Following Zarqawi’s death at the hands of U.S. forces in June 2006, AQ-I leaders repackaged the group as a coalition called the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI). ISI lost its two top leaders in 2010 and was weakened, but not eliminated, by the time of the U.S. withdrawal in 2011. The precise nature of ISI’s relationship to Al Qaeda leaders from 2006 onward is unclear.
Watts, with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said that 2006 was when the “big governance model” of what we now see as the Islamic State was formed. There was “some divergence from the al Qaeda brand name” and disagreements between the two groups at this point. When the U.S. troops withdrew, the terrorist group had gone underground, with members in prisons or detention camps, Watts said. In 2011 and 2012, the group was “lightly functioning,” but still in existence.
By 2013, the terrorist group was again launching attacks in Iraq and had spread to Syria, taking advantage of that country’s internal strike. Syria’s civil war started in March 2011.
Critics and experts have pointed to several actions during the Bush and Obama administrations that could have contributed to the rise of ISIS:The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Much more at:
- The decisions by the U.S.-led provisional coalition government in 2003 to disband the Iraqi army and dissolve and ban the Baath Party, which drove Sunnis into militant groups.
- The rule of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, whose Shia government further ostracized Sunnis. “By disbanding the army and making the Baath party illegal and putting in power a Shiite like Maliki, you alienated and radicalized the Sunnis, and gave rise to ISIS in the process,” Haykel told us.
- The withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011 — a date set by an agreement with the Iraqi government that was signed by President Bush in 2008, and left unchanged by the Obama administration.
Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link
Talking points versus facts and consensus, which one do you believe?
lol.....s0n......you're not getting it. This is a POLITICS forum. Obama has owned the ISIS moniker long before Trump won the nomination. Thats been the perception for at least the past 18 months so the spin attempt is ghey.Trump hammers on this because it is a political winner.......cant be effectively combated at this point by the other side.
well the perception politically is clearly that ISIS is a result of Obama foreign policy.......thats not in dispute.
So this is just another thread manufactured in Candyland by progressives.
Look at Kaz lol
. Trump didn't say Obama "founded" ISIS, he said he "created" ISIS.
Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally - CNNPolitics.com
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
So you have to ask. WTF is Kaz talking about? LOL
Yes, he used the word "founded" wrong.
Did Obama use the term ISIS is the "JV team" wrong?
Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally
But Trump wanted to be the founder of ISIS in 2007 when he advised Bush to just "declare victory and leave" and now Trump is pissed that he is not known as the founder of ISIS!The reason we remained in Iraq after we deposed Saddam was to prevent a vacuum from forming with which an Islamic State could fill.
well the perception politically is clearly that ISIS is a result of Obama foreign policy.......thats not in dispute.
So this is just another thread manufactured in Candyland by progressives.
Well kook, did you enjoy the foreign policy which preceded Obama's?
