Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton

[P@triot]

P@triot, post: 14712861

In all of the blue letters - where he says exactly what you keep denying he said.

According to Director James Comey, Hillary Clinton checked every box required for a felony violation of Section 793(f) of the federal penal code (Title 18).

Show us exactly where Comey says that HRC violated the law. He says she checked boxes. If he wanted to say she actually violated the law, those words were available to him. He did not use them because she did not violate the law. You are making it all up in your hate filled head

You conveniently left off "required for a felony violation". She violated the law. She violated multiple laws. You are one desperate little monkey to deny what is written in black and white and what you know to be true.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

P@triot, post: 14714265

She violated the law. She violated multiple laws.

Who can you cite that confirms that Clinton violated any law including committed a felony. Comey does not say she did. Why do you keep posting something from Comey that does not say she violated any laws. Is your habit of lying that much out of control.

Even if Comey said she committed a felony (which he did not say she did) there would have to be a prosecutor recommending charges be filed, a trial and a conviction to say she violated the law.

You have such disrespect for law and order you have HRC committing a crime when there is no indication that a crime committed. You don't allow her to defend herself in court had charges been filed. But you hatefully call her a criminal anyway without due process under the law.

Look at yourself in the mirror. You have no respect for the rule of law at all.

None of the sixty thousand emails on HRC server were properly or fully marked classified. Not a single one. Only three had some partial or incomplete classified barking.

You are insane with hatred to call HRC a criminal. That is why Comey never said she violated any law or committed a felony.

You are putting words in Comey's mouth that factually have never been uttered.

That is pretty crappy lying on your part when you claim Comey says something and then you quote him saying nothing even close to your lie about Clinton committing a felony violation.

 

[Redfish]

She violated the law. She violated multiple laws.

Who can you cite that confirms that Clinton violated any law including committed a felony. Comey does not say she did. Why do you keep posting something from Comey that does not say she violated any laws. Is your habit of lying that much out of control.

Even if Comey said she committed a felony (which he did not say she did) there would have to be a prosecutor recommending charges be filed, trial and a conviction to say she violated the law.

You have such disrespect for law and order you have HRC committing a crime when there is no indication that a crime committed.

None of the sixty thousand emails on HRC server were properly or fully marked classified. Not a single one. Only three had some partial or incomplete classified barking.

You are insane with hatred to call HRC a criminal. That is why Comey never said she violated any law or committed a felony.

You are putting words in Comey's mouth that factually have never been uttered.

That is pretty crappy lying on your part when you claim Comey says something and then you quote him saying nothing even close to your lie about Clinton.

Is lying under oath a crime in the USA? yes or no.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Redfish, post: 14716352

.Is lying under oath a crime in the USA? yes or no.

Of course it is if convicted.

 

[P@triot]

None of the sixty thousand emails on HRC server were properly or fully marked classified. Not a single one. Only three had some partial or incomplete classified barking.

They don't have to be. If you could read (and you clearly are illiterate) you would see that just utilizing a private server is a violation of the Federal Records Act. It circumvents oversight.

Let me see if I can dumb this down to your level (which I'm not sure is possible but I will certainly try) - why did Hitlery pay someone to set up a private e-mail server in her home and then use that for government business? The government provided her with an e-mail address, an e-mail server (properly housed in a government data center of course), and a blackberry with the necessary client software to utilize the government e-mail. So why the need to do everything through a personal e-mail account? And don't say "convenience" because it is no more convenient to send and receive through a personal account on a Blackberry (or pc, laptop, etc.) than it is to use a business account. If you and Hitlery are going to lie - you have to do much better than that!

(Hint: she did it to hide what she was doing from Congress and the American people. And why would anyone want to hide what they are doing? Certainly people doing good, honest work don't want to hide what they are doing).

 

[Faun]

It's not about "butt hurt" at all. My #1 guy was Rand Paul my friend. I also loved Ben Carson. Would have gladly accepted Marco Rubio and some others. The only unacceptable guy up there was Donald Trump. He's a life long, die-hard, dedicated liberal. The fact that you are so worried about Hitlery is blinding you to the fact that Donald is just a male Hitlery. The GOP completely and totally deserves to lose on this one. Who knows - maybe an ass-kicking here will be just the catalyst America needs to get rid of this party forever and turn things over to the Tea Party.

If your kind of thinking prevails, there will be no USA to be corrected. This is our last chance, If we put crooked Hillary in charge, this country as a free democratic republic of laws is over. There will be no second chance.

Trump is not anywhere close to chitlery. He understands how our economy works, how trade works, and how to negotiate good deals for THIS country.

If you can't bring yourself to vote for him, stay home, but don't waste your vote on some third party clown who has zero chance.

Oh, you poor drama quuen. If the country can survive the malfeasance of a loser like Bush, we can survive anyone. Even Trump.

no drama here, just reality. obozo has doubled our debt and weakened our country in every way possible. 4 years of the hildebeast would complete the destruction.

Bush doubled the debt and left us in one of the worst recessions in US history. How did we survive that?

The debt did not double under Bush and a market correction is not "the worst recession in history". There was no recession in 2008. Your bullshit rhetoric is really getting tiresome.

Thanks for the rightarded view.

To give you an idea of just how rightarded you are... doubling the debt would be a 100% increase. You claim that Obama doubled the debt; meaning he would have had to have increased the debt by 100% or thereabouts. The debt under Obama, so far, is up 83%. It will likely end up a few points highr than that by the time he leaves office. At the sane time, you deny that bush doubled the debt. But the debt went up 86%. And that's not even considering the reality that bush inherited a 17 billion dollar deficit where is Obama inherited a trillion dollar deficit.

On top of that tidbit of rightardism you offer, you compound it with your idiocy the the Great Recession was nothing but a market correction. Quite absurd if you understood we suffered a record number of foreclosures in the housing markets and a stock market which lost more than 50% of its valuation as a result of that and credit markets locking up. Only a brain-dead sycophantic rightwing nut job could possibly deny we were in a recession in 2008.

But fortunately for you -- you fit that Bill perfectly.

 

[P@triot]

Even if Comey said she committed a felony (which he did not say she did) there would have to be a prosecutor recommending charges be filed, a trial and a conviction to say she violated the law.

You're pretty ignorant of U.S. law. You do not have to be convicted to violate a law. At all. If I drive 45mph in a 25mph and there is no officer there to see me and pull me over - I have still violated the law. Just because I didn't get caught doesn't mean I didn't do it.

Additionally, Hitlery did get caught. But because Obama is Loretta Lynch's boss (and Hitlery could be her next boss) and Loretta Lynch is James Comey's boss, she gets to walk. Doesn't change the fact that the Director of the FBI himself is on record stating she met every single criteria necessary for violation of Section 793(f) of the federal penal code (Title 18) and the Federal Records Act.

Seriously dude - stop giving legal advice. You're far too ignorant of the law to be talking about what does and what does not constitute a violation of the law.

 

[P@triot]

Who can you cite that confirms that Clinton violated any law including committed a felony. Comey does not say she did. Why do you keep posting something from Comey that does not say she violated any laws. Is your habit of lying that much out of control.

Even if Comey said she committed a felony (which he did not say she did)

That is why Comey never said she violated any law or committed a felony. You are putting words in Comey's mouth that factually have never been uttered. That is pretty crappy lying on your part when you claim Comey says something and then you quote him saying nothing even close to your lie about Clinton committing a felony violation.

Comey held a press conference and said it. I've added links to news stories that have covered it. You're such a blind partisan hack that you refuse to believe that Hitlery broke the law. Just like all of you tools did back when 'ole Slick Willy Clinton was being accused by dozens of women and all of you kept crying "vast right-wing conspiracy". Then 'ole Slick Willy himself went before the nation and said "Yeah....I did have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky and yeah - I did lie about it". I bet you still deny that - you're such a blind partisan hack.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

P@triot, post: 14714265

You conveniently left off "required for a felony violation". She violated the law. She violated multiple laws. You are one desperate little monkey to deny what is written in black and white and what you know to be true.

I didn't leave anything off. I posted the entire statement that you have cited over and over again. Here I will do it again:

According to Director James Comey, Hillary Clinton checked every box required for a felony violation of Section 793(f) of the federal penal code (Title 18).

Comey did not say she violated the law. Those are your words not his.

Here are his exact words later in his initial statement:

"As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case."


Accept it - HRC committed no felony according to the FBI investigation into whether a crime was committed.

 

[Redfish]

Redfish, post: 14716352

.Is lying under oath a crime in the USA? yes or no.

Of course it is if convicted.

Comey's testimony verified that Hillary lied about sending and receiving classified data on her server, the number or devices she used, and about having permission to use a private unsecure server. She lied about these things while under oath before congress.

Next question: Is lying under oath a crime if you didn't intend to lie? or if you didn't know that it was a crime?

 

[Redfish]

If your kind of thinking prevails, there will be no USA to be corrected. This is our last chance, If we put crooked Hillary in charge, this country as a free democratic republic of laws is over. There will be no second chance.

Trump is not anywhere close to chitlery. He understands how our economy works, how trade works, and how to negotiate good deals for THIS country.

If you can't bring yourself to vote for him, stay home, but don't waste your vote on some third party clown who has zero chance.

Oh, you poor drama quuen. If the country can survive the malfeasance of a loser like Bush, we can survive anyone. Even Trump.

no drama here, just reality. obozo has doubled our debt and weakened our country in every way possible. 4 years of the hildebeast would complete the destruction.

Bush doubled the debt and left us in one of the worst recessions in US history. How did we survive that?

The debt did not double under Bush and a market correction is not "the worst recession in history". There was no recession in 2008. Your bullshit rhetoric is really getting tiresome.

Thanks for the rightarded view.

To give you an idea of just how rightarded you are... doubling the debt would be a 100% increase. You claim that Obama doubled the debt; meaning he would have had to have increased the debt by 100% or thereabouts. The debt under Obama, so far, is up 83%. It will likely end up a few points highr than that by the time he leaves office. At the sane time, you deny that bush doubled the debt. But the debt went up 86%. And that's not even considering the reality that bush inherited a 17 billion dollar deficit where is Obama inherited a trillion dollar deficit.

On top of that tidbit of rightardism you offer, you compound it with your idiocy the the Great Recession was nothing but a market correction. Quite absurd if you understood we suffered a record number of foreclosures in the housing markets and a stock market which lost more than 50% of its valuation as a result of that and credit markets locking up. Only a brain-dead sycophantic rightwing nut job could possibly deny we were in a recession in 2008.

But fortunately for you -- you fit that Bill perfectly.

the debt was around 10.6 T when Obama took office, it will be over 20 T when he leaves. 21.2 would be doubled, so technically you are correct. What is also correct is that Obama will have added almost as much as all previous presidents combined.

"the great recession" LOL, what a crock of shit.

 

[bendog]

Oh, you poor drama quuen. If the country can survive the malfeasance of a loser like Bush, we can survive anyone. Even Trump.

no drama here, just reality. obozo has doubled our debt and weakened our country in every way possible. 4 years of the hildebeast would complete the destruction.

Bush doubled the debt and left us in one of the worst recessions in US history. How did we survive that?

The debt did not double under Bush and a market correction is not "the worst recession in history". There was no recession in 2008. Your bullshit rhetoric is really getting tiresome.

Thanks for the rightarded view.

To give you an idea of just how rightarded you are... doubling the debt would be a 100% increase. You claim that Obama doubled the debt; meaning he would have had to have increased the debt by 100% or thereabouts. The debt under Obama, so far, is up 83%. It will likely end up a few points highr than that by the time he leaves office. At the sane time, you deny that bush doubled the debt. But the debt went up 86%. And that's not even considering the reality that bush inherited a 17 billion dollar deficit where is Obama inherited a trillion dollar deficit.

On top of that tidbit of rightardism you offer, you compound it with your idiocy the the Great Recession was nothing but a market correction. Quite absurd if you understood we suffered a record number of foreclosures in the housing markets and a stock market which lost more than 50% of its valuation as a result of that and credit markets locking up. Only a brain-dead sycophantic rightwing nut job could possibly deny we were in a recession in 2008.

But fortunately for you -- you fit that Bill perfectly.

the debt was around 10.6 T when Obama took office, it will be over 20 T when he leaves. 21.2 would be doubled, so technically you are correct. What is also correct is that Obama will have added almost as much as all previous presidents combined.

"the great recession" LOL, what a crock of shit.

No budget deal with the Freedom Caucus, i.e. Jesus could be potus and we'd still be focked.

 

[Redfish]

no drama here, just reality. obozo has doubled our debt and weakened our country in every way possible. 4 years of the hildebeast would complete the destruction.

Bush doubled the debt and left us in one of the worst recessions in US history. How did we survive that?

The debt did not double under Bush and a market correction is not "the worst recession in history". There was no recession in 2008. Your bullshit rhetoric is really getting tiresome.

Thanks for the rightarded view.

To give you an idea of just how rightarded you are... doubling the debt would be a 100% increase. You claim that Obama doubled the debt; meaning he would have had to have increased the debt by 100% or thereabouts. The debt under Obama, so far, is up 83%. It will likely end up a few points highr than that by the time he leaves office. At the sane time, you deny that bush doubled the debt. But the debt went up 86%. And that's not even considering the reality that bush inherited a 17 billion dollar deficit where is Obama inherited a trillion dollar deficit.

On top of that tidbit of rightardism you offer, you compound it with your idiocy the the Great Recession was nothing but a market correction. Quite absurd if you understood we suffered a record number of foreclosures in the housing markets and a stock market which lost more than 50% of its valuation as a result of that and credit markets locking up. Only a brain-dead sycophantic rightwing nut job could possibly deny we were in a recession in 2008.

But fortunately for you -- you fit that Bill perfectly.

the debt was around 10.6 T when Obama took office, it will be over 20 T when he leaves. 21.2 would be doubled, so technically you are correct. What is also correct is that Obama will have added almost as much as all previous presidents combined.

"the great recession" LOL, what a crock of shit.

No budget deal with the Freedom Caucus, i.e. Jesus could be potus and we'd still be focked.

well, your hero Obama seemed to be able to spend whatever he wanted without a budget. The house passed budget bills every year. How many did Obama sign? How many times did he try to work with congress to find a compromise budget?

 

[Faun]

Bush doubled the debt and left us in one of the worst recessions in US history. How did we survive that?

The debt did not double under Bush and a market correction is not "the worst recession in history". There was no recession in 2008. Your bullshit rhetoric is really getting tiresome.

Thanks for the rightarded view.

To give you an idea of just how rightarded you are... doubling the debt would be a 100% increase. You claim that Obama doubled the debt; meaning he would have had to have increased the debt by 100% or thereabouts. The debt under Obama, so far, is up 83%. It will likely end up a few points highr than that by the time he leaves office. At the sane time, you deny that bush doubled the debt. But the debt went up 86%. And that's not even considering the reality that bush inherited a 17 billion dollar deficit where is Obama inherited a trillion dollar deficit.

On top of that tidbit of rightardism you offer, you compound it with your idiocy the the Great Recession was nothing but a market correction. Quite absurd if you understood we suffered a record number of foreclosures in the housing markets and a stock market which lost more than 50% of its valuation as a result of that and credit markets locking up. Only a brain-dead sycophantic rightwing nut job could possibly deny we were in a recession in 2008.

But fortunately for you -- you fit that Bill perfectly.

the debt was around 10.6 T when Obama took office, it will be over 20 T when he leaves. 21.2 would be doubled, so technically you are correct. What is also correct is that Obama will have added almost as much as all previous presidents combined.

"the great recession" LOL, what a crock of shit.

No budget deal with the Freedom Caucus, i.e. Jesus could be potus and we'd still be focked.

well, your hero Obama seemed to be able to spend whatever he wanted without a budget. The house passed budget bills every year. How many did Obama sign? How many times did he try to work with congress to find a compromise budget?

Now what does any of that have to do with you being an abject imbecile who actually said Obama doubled the debt but Bush didn't; when the reality is that the debt increased 83% under Obama but 86% under Budh?

And believe me, I fully appreciate the value of your answer given you idiotically think there was no recession in 2008.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

P@triot, post: 14716522

They don't have to be. If you could read (and you clearly are illiterate) you would see that just utilizing a private server is a violation of the Federal Records Act. It circumvents oversight.

You are really an idiot. It is not illegal. It is not a crime. If it were the FBI did not need to spend a year investigating to find if any crimes were committed. There were no crimes committed by use of a private server.

But to humor you, where was the law written that Secretary of State's cannot use a private server for non-classified business at the time HRC set hers up. We are talking criminal acts, right?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Comey's testimony verified that Hillary lied about sending and receiving classified data on her server, the number or devices she used, and about having permission to use a private unsecure server. She lied about these things while under oath before congress.

Where is this Comey testimony? You need to provide his exact words since you cons are all alike. You misinterpret, mangle and exaggerate what people say all the time. Who knows what you are talking about.

 

[Ame®icano]

Redfish, post: 14650349

Now, Hillary Clinton is a proven liar, cheat, and criminal who has violated national security laws, taken bribes, and lied about all of it.

You have a right to be absolutely ignorant of the facts.

Liar? Trump outdoes HRC on that score by hundreds. And Trump's lies have significant involve dog whistles against certain religious and non-white groups to incite resentment and hatred for Trumps's quest for power.

Cheat? You don't even know what you mean by that.

Criminal? Only in RWer Nut Job courts of Ignorant Public Opinion,

Violated national security laws? When? where? How? Republican FBI Director James Comey says nothing to prosecute.

Bribes? RWer BS.

Lies about bribes? RWer BS.

Just a couple points to refute some of your braindead talking points.

1. Comey laid out a very good case for prosecution, then for obvious political reasons said that he would not recommend an indictment, He also verified that she lied under oath, again no recommendation for indictment. Bill Clinton "just happened" to meet with Lynch at a remote airport before the Comey "decision". Comey works for Lynch. Hillary said she would consider keeping Lynch on if she wins. Come on, don't by so fricken stupid.

2. The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scheme to funnel foreign bribes into the Clinton bank accounts. "speaking fees" is code for legal bribes. Do you really think anyone would pay $250K to hear Hillary screech for 20 minutes?

I could understand someone is paying to hear Bill speech, at least he was the POTUS, and so far her only accomplishment is that "she's a woman".

It's interesting that Clinton Foundation records shows money from speeches coming in, some speeches were paid multiple times, of fees paid by the companies that have no record of existence.

There is an active thread about Clinton Foundation, I'll post more about this there.

When the house is crooked - check the foundation

 

[Redfish]

The debt did not double under Bush and a market correction is not "the worst recession in history". There was no recession in 2008. Your bullshit rhetoric is really getting tiresome.

Thanks for the rightarded view.

To give you an idea of just how rightarded you are... doubling the debt would be a 100% increase. You claim that Obama doubled the debt; meaning he would have had to have increased the debt by 100% or thereabouts. The debt under Obama, so far, is up 83%. It will likely end up a few points highr than that by the time he leaves office. At the sane time, you deny that bush doubled the debt. But the debt went up 86%. And that's not even considering the reality that bush inherited a 17 billion dollar deficit where is Obama inherited a trillion dollar deficit.

On top of that tidbit of rightardism you offer, you compound it with your idiocy the the Great Recession was nothing but a market correction. Quite absurd if you understood we suffered a record number of foreclosures in the housing markets and a stock market which lost more than 50% of its valuation as a result of that and credit markets locking up. Only a brain-dead sycophantic rightwing nut job could possibly deny we were in a recession in 2008.

But fortunately for you -- you fit that Bill perfectly.

the debt was around 10.6 T when Obama took office, it will be over 20 T when he leaves. 21.2 would be doubled, so technically you are correct. What is also correct is that Obama will have added almost as much as all previous presidents combined.

"the great recession" LOL, what a crock of shit.

No budget deal with the Freedom Caucus, i.e. Jesus could be potus and we'd still be focked.

well, your hero Obama seemed to be able to spend whatever he wanted without a budget. The house passed budget bills every year. How many did Obama sign? How many times did he try to work with congress to find a compromise budget?

Now what does any of that have to do with you being an abject imbecile who actually said Obama doubled the debt but Bush didn't; when the reality is that the debt increased 83% under Obama but 86% under Budh?

And believe me, I fully appreciate the value of your answer given you idiotically think there was no recession in 2008.

Lets look at the absolute dollars added to the debt shall we? Bush added around 5T, Obama added around 10T. So please tell me, who added the most to the national debt?

As to the so-called 2008 recession. The market took a dive. Smart people bought when it was low and made a bundle, I am one of those. The housing and mortgage markets also crashed--------why? Because of a stupid liberal policy that forced banks to give mortgages to people who could never make the payments. The result was a wave of foreclosures and abandoned properties. Another liberal failure, but no where near a recession.

 

[Redfish]

Comey's testimony verified that Hillary lied about sending and receiving classified data on her server, the number or devices she used, and about having permission to use a private unsecure server. She lied about these things while under oath before congress.

Where is this Comey testimony? You need to provide his exact words since you cons are all alike. You misinterpret, mangle and exaggerate what people say all the time. Who knows what you are talking about.

I watched all 4 hours of it. Go look it up if you are really interested. If you want a quick summary, just look up the 5 minutes of questions from Gowdy.

 

[Redfish]

P@triot, post: 14716522

They don't have to be. If you could read (and you clearly are illiterate) you would see that just utilizing a private server is a violation of the Federal Records Act. It circumvents oversight.

You are really an idiot. It is not illegal. It is not a crime. If it were the FBI did not need to spend a year investigating to find if any crimes were committed. There were no crimes committed by use of a private server.

But to humor you, where was the law written that Secretary of State's cannot use a private server for non-classified business at the time HRC set hers up. We are talking criminal acts, right?

Transmitting and receiving classified data on a private unsecure server is illegal. The FBI investigation proved that HRC did exactly that.