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manu1959 said:spoken like a true non-believer :wank: :wank: :wank:
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manu1959 said:spoken like a true non-believer :wank: :wank: :wank:
LuvRPgrl said:I see it in my kids. SOme say kids are so innocent, yet my kids, like any kids, when they want something, they are not so innocent. In fact, the ONLY thing that stops them from commiting atrocious acts to get what they want is, well, that they are kids.
listopencil said:That is hilarious, and so true!
I'm an agnostic. Not because I don't want to live according to a strict set of God's rules. My rules are more strict than God's and I have only myself to blame when I break them.for their beliefs. I know that's not always correct, and I know that's not entirely true, but it shows you that there is prejudice on both sides of the issue.Many people like me think that religious people use God's will as a crutch to relieve themselves of the burden of responsibility
dilloduck said:Really? I thought believers were protecting their immortal soul from eternal damnation.
Maybe its both-or neither. It's one of them things that you have to ask the individual I guess.listopencil said:As you wish, the choice is yours to make.
dmp said:I saw this on another forum - I think the guy nailed it:
Powerman said:I might agree with him if I didn't hold myself to a higher moral standard than 95% of the Christians I know. In fact based on actions I'm probably more of a Christian than most Christians are.
Sorry I don't buy the idea that people choose not to believe in God so they can do a bunch of bad stuff and not feel guilty. I can see how a religious person might come to that conclusion but it's certainly false.
Since it said that choosing to not believe in God is often a way to placate personal guilt, I think he's only saying that's one reason, but not the only one. I agree, that probably is one reason.The ClayTaurus said:Is that saying that all who choose not to believe in God are placating themselves, or that some are?
Nightwish said:Here's an interesting question, though -- can somebody choose to believe or not to believe in God? We can certainly go through the motions, repeat all the affirmations, but when you get right down to it, is our belief (belief in, or belief in not), that private experience where the belief in something or the belief in not something truly resonates in the heart and soul, actually a choice?
I also believe that everything in life is the result of our choices, sometimes in the form of reward, sometimes in the form of detriment. I'm just not quite decided whether belief is the choice, or the reward for choosing to open ourselves to the experiences that lead to it.manu1959 said:in my opinion.....what a brilliant question.....as one that believes that all things are chosen by those that participate in life.....i can only give you a resounding yes....for i belive that everything in life that you experience are direct results of your choices.
Nightwish said:I also believe that everything in life is the result of our choices, sometimes in the form of reward, sometimes in the form of detriment. I'm just not quite decided whether belief is the choice, or the reward for choosing to open ourselves to the experiences that lead to it.
Nightwish said:Here's an interesting question, though -- can somebody choose to believe or not to believe in God? We can certainly go through the motions, repeat all the affirmations, but when you get right down to it, is our belief (belief in, or belief in not), that private experience where the belief in something or the belief in not something truly resonates in the heart and soul, actually a choice?
listopencil said:Wow. Great question. I can only say that I thought about my decision for years as I approached adulthood and found that I don't really believe in it. I lack faith. Never had it, never will.
manu1959 said:get married...have them both die in childbirth...you may change your opinion....when the live
listopencil said:I am married. I have four children, 21/19/10/8 years old. Near death experiences don't prove the existence of a Supreme Being.
manu1959 said:did i say it did?
listopencil said:Bitter much? Do you think that you are the only person who has lost several loved ones under some really screwed up circumstances? I don't want to list all of the really messed up stuff I've been through in my life when it comes to this...I'll just say that I'm happy I have a son so that my family name will carry on without me and leave it at that.
If you have found religion and you have gained peace and strength from your faith, great. I'm honestly glad it worked for you. No sarcasm intended. It doesn't work for me. I have no faith and I refuse to live a lie. I can't live as if their is a God when I don't believe that there is one. I have too much self respect, and too much respect for the Christians that raised me, to fake it. Like I said-if it works for you, great. It doesn't work for me.
manu1959 said:damn dude....you don't get it....my life has been interesting but no more than most.....i belive what i belive as do you.... but, if you read what you posted... you are preaching to me....you assume since i have had loss i belive...but all i said was i was dealt a bad hand....
listopencil said:If so, I apologise-then what did you mean by this:
"get married...have them both die in childbirth...you may change your opinion....when they live"