Don't fight for a share of the pie, make the pie bigger!

[The Derp]

Democrats' electoral strategy post-Trump is a loser; fighting for the brain-dead, uneducated, dogmatic Trump white voter is a lost cause. Instead of fighting for people you know you won't get, how about increasing voter turnout instead? Conservatives aren't fighting for new voters, they're fighting for the aggrieved, white, Christian voter of elections past. Democrats are wasting their effort appealing to people who don't want to be appealed to anyway. Increase voter turnout and Conservatives are less likely to win elections.

That means dumping rural America and going after the biggest block of voters: non-voters. It's going to be easier to convince people to go to the polls than it is to convince a bunch of racist nobodies to vote for you.

 

[Correll]

Democrats' electoral strategy post-Trump is a loser; fighting for the brain-dead, uneducated, dogmatic Trump white voter is a lost cause. Instead of fighting for people you know you won't get, how about increasing voter turnout instead? Conservatives aren't fighting for new voters, they're fighting for the aggrieved, white, Christian voter of elections past. Democrats are wasting their effort appealing to people who don't want to be appealed to anyway. Increase voter turnout and Conservatives are less likely to win elections.

That means dumping rural America and going after the biggest block of voters: non-voters. It's going to be easier to convince people to go to the polls than it is to convince a bunch of racist nobodies to vote for you.

I really hope your party agrees with you. All evidence is that they do.


But, as some one living in the Rust Belt, I can tell you that the working class white voters that Trump flipped are not committed to the GOP at all.


A democratic candidate that could credibly claim to be focused on making the pie bigger for them, would have an easy time flipping them back, especially if the GOP runs a Jeb.


BUT, any policy that this hypothetical dem would advance to help working class whites, would offend or undermine either an important dem core voter or principle.


Better trade policy to help the working class white voters? That will upset too many superrich donors that profit enormously off of trade deals.


Better immigration polices to shift power from employer to employee? That's racist.


I guess they could promise to spend more money on them, but that undermines their commitment to focus on the "traditionally disadvantaged groups" not white men.


ect.

 

[The Derp]

I really hope your party agrees with you. All evidence is that they do. But, as some one living in the Rust Belt, I can tell you that the working class white voters that Trump flipped are not committed to the GOP at all.

It's that ever-changing-principles paradigm as to why going after those voters is a lost cause; they're not loyal. They're reactionaries. We don't need them. We need to increase voter turnout; the higher the turnout, the less likely Conservatives are to win.

A democratic candidate that could credibly claim to be focused on making the pie bigger for them, would have an easy time flipping them back, especially if the GOP runs a Jeb.BUT, any policy that this hypothetical dem would advance to help working class whites, would offend or undermine either an important dem core voter or principle.

Fuck working class white people. They are largely a myth to begin with, and their share of the overall pie is so low that even if you're able to sway half of them, it's not enough to win. Make the pie larger. Get more people to vote.

Better trade policy to help the working class white voters? That will upset too many superrich donors that profit enormously off of trade deals. Better immigration polices to shift power from employer to employee? That's racist.

Conservatives don't support any of those things. Conservatives have no trade policy other than contrarianism, and their immigration policy is based in race-baiting xenophobia. When the xenophobes die off, which they will, who will replace them and vote alongside Conservatives? It's not a long-term strategy.

 

[Lastamender]

Democrats' electoral strategy post-Trump is a loser; fighting for the brain-dead, uneducated, dogmatic Trump white voter is a lost cause. Instead of fighting for people you know you won't get, how about increasing voter turnout instead? Conservatives aren't fighting for new voters, they're fighting for the aggrieved, white, Christian voter of elections past. Democrats are wasting their effort appealing to people who don't want to be appealed to anyway. Increase voter turnout and Conservatives are less likely to win elections.

That means dumping rural America and going after the biggest block of voters: non-voters. It's going to be easier to convince people to go to the polls than it is to convince a bunch of racist nobodies to vote for you.

Your screen name is perfect, don't change a thing.

 

[Correll]

I really hope your party agrees with you. All evidence is that they do. But, as some one living in the Rust Belt, I can tell you that the working class white voters that Trump flipped are not committed to the GOP at all.

It's that ever-changing-principles paradigm as to why going after those voters is a lost cause; they're not loyal. They're reactionaries. We don't need them. We need to increase voter turnout; the higher the turnout, the less likely Conservatives are to win.

Voters shouldn't "be loyal" to a party, the party should be loyal to THEM.

If the party doesn't represent their interests, it is right the voters should vote for someone else.


"Reactionary" is a meaningless buzzword. They wanted better jobs and wages. That's reasonable, and your anger of that is not.

A democratic candidate that could credibly claim to be focused on making the pie bigger for them, would have an easy time flipping them back, especially if the GOP runs a Jeb.BUT, any policy that this hypothetical dem would advance to help working class whites, would offend or undermine either an important dem core voter or principle.

Fuck working class white people. They are largely a myth to begin with, and their share of the overall pie is so low that even if you're able to sway half of them, it's not enough to win. Make the pie larger. Get more people to vote.[/QUOTE]


That was the conventional wisdom before Trump, which is why election after election, both parties ignored them.

Trump was right, everyone else was wrong.


Oh, you're talking about "pie" as number of voters. And here I assumed you wanted a bigger and wealthier economy. How silly of me.

Better trade policy to help the working class white voters? That will upset too many superrich donors that profit enormously off of trade deals. Better immigration polices to shift power from employer to employee? That's racist.

Conservatives don't support any of those things. Conservatives have no trade policy other than contrarianism, and their immigration policy is based in race-baiting xenophobia. When the xenophobes die off, which they will, who will replace them and vote alongside Conservatives? It's not a long-term strategy.[/QUOTE]



Mainstream conservatives do not, correct. That's why they lost the primaries to Trump, who does.


YOur race baiting is noted as proof of what I said.


THE Democratic Party and "liberalism" today is inherently hostile to working class whites.


You CAN'T make a real play for them based on issues. You hate them and the America they represent, and so do your base(s).

You could try lying even more.


But you've lied a lot and the voters are suspicious finally.

 

[Tank]

You have already made the "pie" bigger with all the illegals votes

 

[Correll]

You have already made the "pie" bigger with all the illegals votes

And massive chain immigration from the Third World.

 

[The Derp]

Voters shouldn't "be loyal" to a party, the party should be loyal to THEM.If the party doesn't represent their interests, it is right the voters should vote for someone else."Reactionary" is a meaningless buzzword. They wanted better jobs and wages. That's reasonable, and your anger of that is not.

Why should anyone be loyal to the Trump voter? These are people who are willing to look past Russian influence just so they can "win" vicariously. Think about it; the typical Trump voter is a loser. Their lives are meaningless. They haven't "won" mostly because they get in their own way and act against their interests. Those people should be written off. They're a lost cause. Don't pander to them, pander to the people who don't vote. Those are the people the Democrats should be going after...not the lost, dwindling rural white aggrieved voter who thinks they're owed something for doing nothing. Those people aren't owed shit.

That was the conventional wisdom before Trump, which is why election after election, both parties ignored them.Trump was right, everyone else was wrong.Oh, you're talking about "pie" as number of voters. And here I assumed you wanted a bigger and wealthier economy. How silly of me.

Yeah, it's a post about voting, not about the economy. Trump wasn't "right" about anything, he just knew how to speak to dumb people. He spent the last 10 years perfecting that with his dumb show. Shocking that a reality TV show host would attract the dregs of society....

Mainstream conservatives do not, correct. That's why they lost the primaries to Trump, who does.YOur race baiting is noted as proof of what I said.THE Democratic Party and "liberalism" today is inherently hostile to working class whites.You CAN'T make a real play for them based on issues. You hate them and the America they represent, and so do your base(s).You could try lying even more.But you've lied a lot and the voters are suspicious finally.

The Trump voters know so little about issues, they're not worth reaching out to. People so susceptible to Russian propaganda should be written off. They bring nothing but their unearned entitlement and grievance to the table. They offer nothing because they are nothing.

 

[The Derp]

And massive chain immigration from the Third World.

So your fear is, what? That immigrants will eventually outnumber whiny self-entitled white crybabies and do what? What is it you think these immigrants are going to do to you?

 

[Tank]

Ya, and all that Uranium Trump gave Russia

 

[The Derp]

Ya, and all that Uranium Trump gave Russia

If Trump thought it would buy him votes, he'd sell uranium to Russia in a New York minute.

 

[Tank]

And massive chain immigration from the Third World.

So your fear is, what? That immigrants will eventually outnumber whiny self-entitled white crybabies and do what? What is it you think these immigrants are going to do to you?

America is becoming a third world shithole like mexico

 

[Tank]

Ya, and all that Uranium Trump gave Russia

If Trump thought it would buy him votes, he'd sell uranium to Russia in a New York minute.

Is that what Hlllary was thinking?

 

[The Derp]

America is becoming a third world shithole like mexico

Not where I live. Maybe where you live because you live in a shitty part of America.

 

[The Derp]

Is that what Hlllary was thinking?

Hillary had nothing to do with it, but you already know that. You're just trying to spread propaganda to cloud the corruption of Trump. And you're not doing that good a job, either. Like most Conservative efforts, it's sloppy, half-assed, and makes no sense.

 

[Tank]

Los Angeles

 

[The Derp]

Los Angeles

LA is great. Except for the hot shitty weather they've had the last few months. Where in LA are you? Of course Chino is going to be shittier than Manhattan Beach.

 

[Correll]

Voters shouldn't "be loyal" to a party, the party should be loyal to THEM.If the party doesn't represent their interests, it is right the voters should vote for someone else."Reactionary" is a meaningless buzzword. They wanted better jobs and wages. That's reasonable, and your anger of that is not.

Why should anyone be loyal to the Trump voter? These are people who are willing to look past Russian influence just so they can "win" vicariously. Think about it; the typical Trump voter is a loser. Their lives are meaningless. They haven't "won" mostly because they get in their own way and act against their interests. Those people should be written off. They're a lost cause. Don't pander to them, pander to the people who don't vote. Those are the people the Democrats should be going after...not the lost, dwindling rural white aggrieved voter who thinks they're owed something for doing nothing. Those people aren't owed shit.

They wanted better jobs and wages. THat's not winning "vicariously", silly hateful lefty.

That was the conventional wisdom before Trump, which is why election after election, both parties ignored them.Trump was right, everyone else was wrong.Oh, you're talking about "pie" as number of voters. And here I assumed you wanted a bigger and wealthier economy. How silly of me.

Yeah, it's a post about voting, not about the economy. Trump wasn't "right" about anything, he just knew how to speak to dumb people. He spent the last 10 years perfecting that with his dumb show. Shocking that a reality TV show host would attract the dregs of society....[/QUOTE]


And voters vote by the economy. It's interesting that you somehow didn't know that.

There is nothing dumb about wanting national policy to represent your interests.


Lefties like you, have been ridiculing and demonizing and marginalizing work class whites, as you are doing right here for decades.

The question is not why they voted against, you, but why they haven't been voting against you for decades.

Mainstream conservatives do not, correct. That's why they lost the primaries to Trump, who does.YOur race baiting is noted as proof of what I said.THE Democratic Party and "liberalism" today is inherently hostile to working class whites.You CAN'T make a real play for them based on issues. You hate them and the America they represent, and so do your base(s).You could try lying even more.But you've lied a lot and the voters are suspicious finally.

The Trump voters know so little about issues, they're not worth reaching out to. People so susceptible to Russian propaganda should be written off. They bring nothing but their unearned entitlement and grievance to the table. They offer nothing because they are nothing.[/QUOTE]


Well, that's a lot of crazy hate you have there, and I've seen it's like from liberals for a long time, directed at working class whites.


And that's why working class whites, who have been union voters for generations, were ready to listen to a republican who came along and actually offered them something.

 

[Correll]

And massive chain immigration from the Third World.

So your fear is, what? That immigrants will eventually outnumber whiny self-entitled white crybabies and do what? What is it you think these immigrants are going to do to you?

Turn this nation into an ONe Party Third World State, like Chicago or Venezuela.


Just like you. THat's what you think too, isn't it?


That is exactly what you want. Do you have the balls to admit it?

 

[Tank]

LA is great. Except for the hot shitty weather they've had the last few months. Where in LA are you? Of course Chino is going to be shittier than Manhattan Beach.

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