Dr Collins, top geneticist, and CHRISTIAN....

[Youwerecreated]

There you go again. Talking shit about scientists that spend their whole lives studying things you cant grasp.

If you want to teach your kids this crap you spout go for it. As for mine, no way.

As for a debate, if you ignore scientific fact, its not much of a debate is it? When you answer a post with you are admitting defeat. You bore me anymore. Not because of the bible or Jesus but because you are deaf, dumb and blind to the world around you.

If you really cant understand then Im sorry. The world is moving forward without you even though you will take advantage of everything science provides you.

All this time J ,and you have not figured out what i do for a living or did, since the stroke i am retired.

J have a good night.

What applications have you delivered to the world?

You have not been paying attention ? Well mutation research was done in my younger years. I can't tell you what have been doing the last ten years. So j what have you accomplished ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

I find it vastly entertaining that the ones ignoring the science are the ones who claim they're the scientific ones, lol.

And who have proven, all through this thread, that not only are they irrational, they don't have a grasp of what the science is AT ALL except to affirm (incorrectly) that the science puts the lie to the existence of God and the creation...

Keep on dreamin little man.

J how many times has she said she is a woman ? What your science book didn't teach you the difference between a man and a woman ? I wonder who came first the man or the woman , the bible gives us an answer, how would science answer that ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Heres a real scientist and a creationist preacher debating.

‪Kent Hovind vs Molecular Geneticist‬‏ - YouTube

Oh j you still hurt over our debate. That same guy taking on three of yours.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKyyaURZW-o]‪Creation / Evolution Debate 19 - Three on One! - Dr. Hovind vs 3 Embry-Riddle University Professors‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

Already watched it. Not very entertaining, bad recording.

Oh and there never was a debate with you and I.

Really because I remember it was mostly you and I sparring and when I posted my reasons why neo darwinism is a fraud you disappeared.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Heres a real scientist and a creationist preacher debating.

‪Kent Hovind vs Molecular Geneticist‬‏ - YouTube

Oh j you still hurt over our debate. That same guy taking on three of yours.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKyyaURZW-o]‪Creation / Evolution Debate 19 - Three on One! - Dr. Hovind vs 3 Embry-Riddle University Professors‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

Already watched it. Not very entertaining, bad recording.

Oh and there never was a debate with you and I.

Really,i thought it was very funny ,the best part was getting the professor to admit the computer was the product of intelligence,priceless. But the human brain is not a product of intelligence Oh the logic.

 

[Youwerecreated]

A Pensacola evangelist who owns the defunct Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola was arrested Thursday on 58 federal charges, including failing to pay $473,818 in employee-related taxes and making threats against investigators.

Of the 58 charges, 44 were filed against Kent Hovind and his wife, Jo, for evading bank reporting requirements as they withdrew $430,500 from AmSouth Bank between July 20, 2001, and Aug. 9, 2002.

Kent Hovind, who often calls himself “Dr. Dino,” has been sparring with the IRS for at least 17 years on his claims that he is employed by God, receives no income, has no expenses and owns no property.

“The debtor apparently maintains that as a minister of God, everything he owns belongs to God and he is not subject to paying taxes to the United States on money he receives for doing God’s work,” U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Lewis Killian Jr. wrote when he dismissed a claim from Hovind in 1996.
Kent Hovind: Evangelist arrested on federal charges

Real creationism at work.

Well i don't like that even if he is a creationist and he can best three professors at the same time.

 

[JScott]

All this time J ,and you have not figured out what i do for a living or did, since the stroke i am retired.

J have a good night.

What applications have you delivered to the world?

You have not been paying attention ? Well mutation research was done in my younger years. I can't tell you what have been doing the last ten years. So j what have you accomplished ?

Im still accomplishing.

 

[JScott]

Oh j you still hurt over our debate. That same guy taking on three of yours.

‪Creation / Evolution Debate 19 - Three on One! - Dr. Hovind vs 3 Embry-Riddle University Professors‬‏ - YouTube

Already watched it. Not very entertaining, bad recording.

Oh and there never was a debate with you and I.

Really because I remember it was mostly you and I sparring and when I posted my reasons why neo darwinism is a fraud you disappeared.

I havent disappeared. I told you you bored me. It gets old trying to show you facts and all you do is ignore them. What you post is gibberish compared to what real scientists say. Hell, you think the scientists on this site are borderline retarded. They might be considering you are an expert in all science fields.

I wont ever disappear because theres no way Ill allow your religious mumbo jumbo "science" to flourish. No right minded person should. If allowed to infiltrate our schools it would cause another dark ages.

 

[Youwerecreated]

What applications have you delivered to the world?

You have not been paying attention ? Well mutation research was done in my younger years. I can't tell you what have been doing the last ten years. So j what have you accomplished ?

Im still accomplishing.

Good answer, still in school ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Already watched it. Not very entertaining, bad recording.

Oh and there never was a debate with you and I.

Really because I remember it was mostly you and I sparring and when I posted my reasons why neo darwinism is a fraud you disappeared.

I havent disappeared. I told you you bored me. It gets old trying to show you facts and all you do is ignore them. What you post is gibberish compared to what real scientists say. Hell, you think the scientists on this site are borderline retarded. They might be considering you are an expert in all science fields.

I wont ever disappear because theres no way Ill allow your religious mumbo jumbo "science" to flourish. No right minded person should. If allowed to infiltrate our schools it would cause another dark ages.

So the truth comes out j,you have an agenda against religious people. You don't care what the real truth is.

 

[Youwerecreated]

I havent disappeared. I told you you bored me. It gets old trying to show you facts and all you do is ignore them. What you post is gibberish compared to what real scientists say. Hell, you think the scientists on this site are borderline retarded. They might be considering you are an expert in all science fields.

I wont ever disappear because theres no way Ill allow your religious mumbo jumbo "science" to flourish. No right minded person should. If allowed to infiltrate our schools it would cause another dark ages.

I think I sort of get the drift here. The person you are responding to has never bothered to finish high school in the USA. They do NOT know how to ask nor answer questions. They are illiterate, as far as scientific literature and nomenclature goes. I gave up on two or three of these intellectual feather weights a few days back, I realized that they had no idea what they were talking about.

It's like talking about the history of the unification of Italy with someone who claims to know what they are talking about because they once ate a pizza.

Mr.Irrelevant is still around ,come to take his shot,and run like a coward, Poor losers suck.

 

[Youwerecreated]

I havent disappeared. I told you you bored me. It gets old trying to show you facts and all you do is ignore them. What you post is gibberish compared to what real scientists say. Hell, you think the scientists on this site are borderline retarded. They might be considering you are an expert in all science fields.

I wont ever disappear because theres no way Ill allow your religious mumbo jumbo "science" to flourish. No right minded person should. If allowed to infiltrate our schools it would cause another dark ages.

I think I sort of get the drift here. The person you are responding to has never bothered to finish high school in the USA. They do NOT know how to ask nor answer questions. They are illiterate, as far as scientific literature and nomenclature goes. I gave up on two or three of these intellectual feather weights a few days back, I realized that they had no idea what they were talking about.

It's like talking about the history of the unification of Italy with someone who claims to know what they are talking about because they once ate a pizza.

I was looking at your posts wow you're one miserable human being. You have an agenda like J. You try to paint yourself as someone that you're not. You're a bigot towards religous people. Everyone of faith should avoid this bigot. Read this post he has a bunch just like this one.

"There was PLENTY of need for this response!!!

There is only self-delusion, not tangible proof.

If you want to censor the free thinking and free expression of people on this planet, perhaps this planet is not the right planet for you. If you want to stifle free speech and free expression, and suggest that ideas that do NOT agree with yours should NOT be expressed, perhaps the USA is NOT the nation you should be living in. May I suggest Communist Cuba: a place where you might feel better, knowing free speech is NOT permitted, and EVERY ONE must follow the Catholic faith, without question.

You seem to like every one to agree with you. Sorry, but this is the USA, and people have freedoms here, you seem to have missed that day in school.

Please take your brain back to first grade, it seemed to have missed out on all the lessons between there and adulthood, and seems incapable of absorbing science and the phenomenon of hallucinations in the human mind, taught about quite in detail for people capable of going to college and absorbing the scientific view of human fallacies in brain power.

If you don't like people posting here, if you don't like reading about the perceptual fallacies that are somehow classified by people like you as "God" experiences, perhaps you need to start over in getting an education, and throwing out your " God" hallucination fantasies. With 7 billion people on this planet, and over 100 billion living organisms on this planet today, and over 300 quadrillion organisms since the beginning of time, and about 100 billion other stars, and all the planets each of THOSE stars have, I doubt God is listening to and validating YOUR hallucinations."



He can't help it ,as he goes on his rants,he can't resist throwing in a few insults. Good thing he is not what he pretended to be.

 

[AllieBaba]

I havent disappeared. I told you you bored me. It gets old trying to show you facts and all you do is ignore them. What you post is gibberish compared to what real scientists say. Hell, you think the scientists on this site are borderline retarded. They might be considering you are an expert in all science fields.

I wont ever disappear because theres no way Ill allow your religious mumbo jumbo "science" to flourish. No right minded person should. If allowed to infiltrate our schools it would cause another dark ages.

I think I sort of get the drift here. The person you are responding to has never bothered to finish high school in the USA. They do NOT know how to ask nor answer questions. They are illiterate, as far as scientific literature and nomenclature goes. I gave up on two or three of these intellectual feather weights a few days back, I realized that they had no idea what they were talking about.

It's like talking about the history of the unification of Italy with someone who claims to know what they are talking about because they once ate a pizza.

Look, you arrogant ignoramus, you do not win an argument by claiming that somebody isn't educated. You can point out their lack of education, but you do that by pointing out how they are incorrect, and by proving your own point.

You're an insecure little dweeb who doesn't know what he's talking about. You probably have a small dick as well. You have proven you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and we have all shared our concern that you might actually be subjecting children to your wrong headed ideas and dysfunctional communication style. Now is the time you need to shut your stupid mouth, hit the books, and hopefully improve your understanding of genetics and evolution.

I know you won't, though. Instead you will continue to piss and moan, and instead of making a real argument, you will pretend that anyone who knows anything just KNOWS that what you say is fact. Sorry. Your superior attitude is proof of nothing except your own lack of confidence. You probably have issues with your own education...if I were to hazard a guess, I would say you are insecure specifically about your own education, which is incomplete most likely because you aren't smart enough to master the material you now pretend to understand.

I'm sure we'll see you next on the religion threads, spreading hatred and bigotry. I can't wait.

 

[JScott]

Really because I remember it was mostly you and I sparring and when I posted my reasons why neo darwinism is a fraud you disappeared.

I havent disappeared. I told you you bored me. It gets old trying to show you facts and all you do is ignore them. What you post is gibberish compared to what real scientists say. Hell, you think the scientists on this site are borderline retarded. They might be considering you are an expert in all science fields.

I wont ever disappear because theres no way Ill allow your religious mumbo jumbo "science" to flourish. No right minded person should. If allowed to infiltrate our schools it would cause another dark ages.

So the truth comes out j,you have an agenda against religious people. You don't care what the real truth is.

I have nothing against religious people at all. I have a problem with people that try to convince others of misinformation. You just happen to be pushing a fundamentalist "science" thats not science.

 

[JScott]

I havent disappeared. I told you you bored me. It gets old trying to show you facts and all you do is ignore them. What you post is gibberish compared to what real scientists say. Hell, you think the scientists on this site are borderline retarded. They might be considering you are an expert in all science fields.

I wont ever disappear because theres no way Ill allow your religious mumbo jumbo "science" to flourish. No right minded person should. If allowed to infiltrate our schools it would cause another dark ages.

I think I sort of get the drift here. The person you are responding to has never bothered to finish high school in the USA. They do NOT know how to ask nor answer questions. They are illiterate, as far as scientific literature and nomenclature goes. I gave up on two or three of these intellectual feather weights a few days back, I realized that they had no idea what they were talking about.

It's like talking about the history of the unification of Italy with someone who claims to know what they are talking about because they once ate a pizza.

I was looking at your posts wow you're one miserable human being. You have an agenda like J. You try to paint yourself as someone that you're not. You're a bigot towards religous people. Everyone of faith should avoid this bigot. Read this post he has a bunch just like this one.

"There was PLENTY of need for this response!!!

There is only self-delusion, not tangible proof.

If you want to censor the free thinking and free expression of people on this planet, perhaps this planet is not the right planet for you. If you want to stifle free speech and free expression, and suggest that ideas that do NOT agree with yours should NOT be expressed, perhaps the USA is NOT the nation you should be living in. May I suggest Communist Cuba: a place where you might feel better, knowing free speech is NOT permitted, and EVERY ONE must follow the Catholic faith, without question.

You seem to like every one to agree with you. Sorry, but this is the USA, and people have freedoms here, you seem to have missed that day in school.

Please take your brain back to first grade, it seemed to have missed out on all the lessons between there and adulthood, and seems incapable of absorbing science and the phenomenon of hallucinations in the human mind, taught about quite in detail for people capable of going to college and absorbing the scientific view of human fallacies in brain power.

If you don't like people posting here, if you don't like reading about the perceptual fallacies that are somehow classified by people like you as "God" experiences, perhaps you need to start over in getting an education, and throwing out your " God" hallucination fantasies. With 7 billion people on this planet, and over 100 billion living organisms on this planet today, and over 300 quadrillion organisms since the beginning of time, and about 100 billion other stars, and all the planets each of THOSE stars have, I doubt God is listening to and validating YOUR hallucinations."



He can't help it ,as he goes on his rants,he can't resist throwing in a few insults. Good thing he is not what he pretended to be.

Find one post of mine where I put down religious people. I dont. I have a respect for religion, just not in my classroom.

Heres an idea. Youre the one with crazy ideas, maybe you should leave the country.

 

[JScott]

I havent disappeared. I told you you bored me. It gets old trying to show you facts and all you do is ignore them. What you post is gibberish compared to what real scientists say. Hell, you think the scientists on this site are borderline retarded. They might be considering you are an expert in all science fields.

I wont ever disappear because theres no way Ill allow your religious mumbo jumbo "science" to flourish. No right minded person should. If allowed to infiltrate our schools it would cause another dark ages.

I think I sort of get the drift here. The person you are responding to has never bothered to finish high school in the USA. They do NOT know how to ask nor answer questions. They are illiterate, as far as scientific literature and nomenclature goes. I gave up on two or three of these intellectual feather weights a few days back, I realized that they had no idea what they were talking about.

It's like talking about the history of the unification of Italy with someone who claims to know what they are talking about because they once ate a pizza.

Look, you arrogant ignoramus, you do not win an argument by claiming that somebody isn't educated. You can point out their lack of education, but you do that by pointing out how they are incorrect, and by proving your own point.

You're an insecure little dweeb who doesn't know what he's talking about. You probably have a small dick as well. You have proven you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and we have all shared our concern that you might actually be subjecting children to your wrong headed ideas and dysfunctional communication style. Now is the time you need to shut your stupid mouth, hit the books, and hopefully improve your understanding of genetics and evolution.

I know you won't, though. Instead you will continue to piss and moan, and instead of making a real argument, you will pretend that anyone who knows anything just KNOWS that what you say is fact. Sorry. Your superior attitude is proof of nothing except your own lack of confidence. You probably have issues with your own education...if I were to hazard a guess, I would say you are insecure specifically about your own education, which is incomplete most likely because you aren't smart enough to master the material you now pretend to understand.

I'm sure we'll see you next on the religion threads, spreading hatred and bigotry. I can't wait.

 

[AllieBaba]

Yeah, so I sashayed over to the religious forum, and sure enough, he's there in the most schizophrenic thread currently going.

I can smell this sort of nut a mile away.

 

[Youwerecreated]

I havent disappeared. I told you you bored me. It gets old trying to show you facts and all you do is ignore them. What you post is gibberish compared to what real scientists say. Hell, you think the scientists on this site are borderline retarded. They might be considering you are an expert in all science fields.

I wont ever disappear because theres no way Ill allow your religious mumbo jumbo "science" to flourish. No right minded person should. If allowed to infiltrate our schools it would cause another dark ages.

So the truth comes out j,you have an agenda against religious people. You don't care what the real truth is.

I have nothing against religious people at all. I have a problem with people that try to convince others of misinformation. You just happen to be pushing a fundamentalist "science" thats not science.

Ok j, i stand corrected, and i am glad to hear it.

But how it works j, if it's misinformation then clearly the evidence will show that it is misinformation. What do you think i am just a Jesus freak that is gonna make up things by lying and mislead ? Come on j, i don't understand your thinking.

Dr. Spetner is a well educated geneticist that was doing the same thing about your theory. Many preople are drifting towards other theories because of the problems with Neo Darwinism. J that is a fact.

Creations of man took intelligence, how is it rational to think life being much more complex could happen on it's own ? all the creations of man came from a brain that is much more complex and it was a product of a natural process. That don't make any sense at all.

 

[Youwerecreated]

I think I sort of get the drift here. The person you are responding to has never bothered to finish high school in the USA. They do NOT know how to ask nor answer questions. They are illiterate, as far as scientific literature and nomenclature goes. I gave up on two or three of these intellectual feather weights a few days back, I realized that they had no idea what they were talking about.

It's like talking about the history of the unification of Italy with someone who claims to know what they are talking about because they once ate a pizza.

I was looking at your posts wow you're one miserable human being. You have an agenda like J. You try to paint yourself as someone that you're not. You're a bigot towards religous people. Everyone of faith should avoid this bigot. Read this post he has a bunch just like this one.

"There was PLENTY of need for this response!!!

There is only self-delusion, not tangible proof.

If you want to censor the free thinking and free expression of people on this planet, perhaps this planet is not the right planet for you. If you want to stifle free speech and free expression, and suggest that ideas that do NOT agree with yours should NOT be expressed, perhaps the USA is NOT the nation you should be living in. May I suggest Communist Cuba: a place where you might feel better, knowing free speech is NOT permitted, and EVERY ONE must follow the Catholic faith, without question.

You seem to like every one to agree with you. Sorry, but this is the USA, and people have freedoms here, you seem to have missed that day in school.

Please take your brain back to first grade, it seemed to have missed out on all the lessons between there and adulthood, and seems incapable of absorbing science and the phenomenon of hallucinations in the human mind, taught about quite in detail for people capable of going to college and absorbing the scientific view of human fallacies in brain power.

If you don't like people posting here, if you don't like reading about the perceptual fallacies that are somehow classified by people like you as "God" experiences, perhaps you need to start over in getting an education, and throwing out your " God" hallucination fantasies. With 7 billion people on this planet, and over 100 billion living organisms on this planet today, and over 300 quadrillion organisms since the beginning of time, and about 100 billion other stars, and all the planets each of THOSE stars have, I doubt God is listening to and validating YOUR hallucinations."



He can't help it ,as he goes on his rants,he can't resist throwing in a few insults. Good thing he is not what he pretended to be.

Find one post of mine where I put down religious people. I dont. I have a respect for religion, just not in my classroom.

Heres an idea. Youre the one with crazy ideas, maybe you should leave the country.

Sorry for including you j.

 

[Youwerecreated]

I think I sort of get the drift here. The person you are responding to has never bothered to finish high school in the USA. They do NOT know how to ask nor answer questions. They are illiterate, as far as scientific literature and nomenclature goes. I gave up on two or three of these intellectual feather weights a few days back, I realized that they had no idea what they were talking about.

It's like talking about the history of the unification of Italy with someone who claims to know what they are talking about because they once ate a pizza.

Look, you arrogant ignoramus, you do not win an argument by claiming that somebody isn't educated. You can point out their lack of education, but you do that by pointing out how they are incorrect, and by proving your own point.

You're an insecure little dweeb who doesn't know what he's talking about. You probably have a small dick as well. You have proven you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and we have all shared our concern that you might actually be subjecting children to your wrong headed ideas and dysfunctional communication style. Now is the time you need to shut your stupid mouth, hit the books, and hopefully improve your understanding of genetics and evolution.

I know you won't, though. Instead you will continue to piss and moan, and instead of making a real argument, you will pretend that anyone who knows anything just KNOWS that what you say is fact. Sorry. Your superior attitude is proof of nothing except your own lack of confidence. You probably have issues with your own education...if I were to hazard a guess, I would say you are insecure specifically about your own education, which is incomplete most likely because you aren't smart enough to master the material you now pretend to understand.

I'm sure we'll see you next on the religion threads, spreading hatred and bigotry. I can't wait.

Well it's about time he got what he has been handing out. There was something about that guy i didn't like soon after his first post.

 

[Youwerecreated]

I think I sort of get the drift here. The person you are responding to has never bothered to finish high school in the USA. They do NOT know how to ask nor answer questions. They are illiterate, as far as scientific literature and nomenclature goes. I gave up on two or three of these intellectual feather weights a few days back, I realized that they had no idea what they were talking about.

It's like talking about the history of the unification of Italy with someone who claims to know what they are talking about because they once ate a pizza.

I was looking at your posts wow you're one miserable human being. You have an agenda like J. You try to paint yourself as someone that you're not. You're a bigot towards religous people. Everyone of faith should avoid this bigot. Read this post he has a bunch just like this one.

"There was PLENTY of need for this response!!!

There is only self-delusion, not tangible proof.

If you want to censor the free thinking and free expression of people on this planet, perhaps this planet is not the right planet for you. If you want to stifle free speech and free expression, and suggest that ideas that do NOT agree with yours should NOT be expressed, perhaps the USA is NOT the nation you should be living in. May I suggest Communist Cuba: a place where you might feel better, knowing free speech is NOT permitted, and EVERY ONE must follow the Catholic faith, without question.

You seem to like every one to agree with you. Sorry, but this is the USA, and people have freedoms here, you seem to have missed that day in school.

Please take your brain back to first grade, it seemed to have missed out on all the lessons between there and adulthood, and seems incapable of absorbing science and the phenomenon of hallucinations in the human mind, taught about quite in detail for people capable of going to college and absorbing the scientific view of human fallacies in brain power.

If you don't like people posting here, if you don't like reading about the perceptual fallacies that are somehow classified by people like you as "God" experiences, perhaps you need to start over in getting an education, and throwing out your " God" hallucination fantasies. With 7 billion people on this planet, and over 100 billion living organisms on this planet today, and over 300 quadrillion organisms since the beginning of time, and about 100 billion other stars, and all the planets each of THOSE stars have, I doubt God is listening to and validating YOUR hallucinations."



He can't help it ,as he goes on his rants,he can't resist throwing in a few insults. Good thing he is not what he pretended to be.

Find one post of mine where I put down religious people. I dont. I have a respect for religion, just not in my classroom.

Heres an idea. Youre the one with crazy ideas, maybe you should leave the country.

J creationist have worked out a model and it is pretty similar to the evolutionist model,and it won't have any scripture nor any doctrine. I can't remember what thread i posted it in. I will try and find it.

Summary of Scientific Evidence for Creation (Part I & II)

by Duane Gish, Ph.D.


This impact pamphlet was written by a scientist, and a science educator, and reviewed by an attorney, to provide a brief summary of the scientific evidence supporting creation. The text materials and references listed at the end together give a more thorough discussion of this scientific evidence.

Introduction

Public schools in many localities are teaching two scientific models - the creation model and the evolution model of the origin of the universe, of life, and of man. There is apparent scientific evidence for creation, which is summarized in this pamphlet, just as there is apparent scientific evidence for evolution. The purpose of this pamphlet is to summarize the evidence that shows that:





"The creation model is at least as scientific as the evolution model, and is at least as nonreligious as the evolution model."



This scientific evidence for both models can be taught in public schools without any mention of religious doctrine, whether the Bible or the Humanist Manifesto. There are text materials and teacher handbooks that have been prepared for a fair presentation of both models, creation and evolution. There are also seminars and audiovisuals for training teachers to offer both models of origins.





"This scientific evidence both for creation and for evolution can and must be taught without any religious doctrine, whether the Bible or the Humanist Manifesto."
"Creation-science proponents want public schools to teach all the scientific data, censoring none, but do not want any religious doctrine to be brought into science classrooms."



Definitions of the Creation Model and the Evolution Model

The scientific model of creation, in summary, includes the scientific evidence for a sudden creation of complex and diversified kinds of life, with systematic gaps persisting between different kinds and with genetic variation occurring within each kind since that time. The scientific model of evolution, in summary, includes the scientific evidence for a gradual emergence of present life kinds over aeons of time, with emergence of complex and diversified kinds of life from simpler kinds and ultimately from nonliving matter. The creation model questions vertical evolution, which is the emergence of complex from simple and change between kinds, but it does not challenge what is often called horizontal evolution or microevolution, which creationists call genetic variation or species or subspecies formation within created kinds. The following chart lists seven aspects of the scientific model of creation and of the scientific model of evolution:





The creation model includes the scientific evidence and the related inferences suggesting that:

The evolution model includes the scientific evidence and the related inferences suggesting that:



I. The universe and the Solar system were suddenly created.

I. The universe and the solar system emerged by naturalistic processes.



II. Life was suddenly created.

II. Life emerged from nonlife by naturalistic processes.



III. All present living kinds of animals and plants have remained fixed since creation, other than extinctions, and genetic variation in originally created kinds has only occurred within narrow limits.

III. All present kinds emerged from simpler earlier kinds, so that single-celled organisms evolved into invertebrates, then vertebrates, then amphibians, then reptiles, then mammals, then primates, including man.



IV. Mutation and natural selection are insufficient to have brought about any emergence of present living kinds from a simple primordial organism.

IV. Mutation and natural selection have brought about the emergence of present complex kinds from a simple primordial organism.



V. Man and apes have a separate ancestry.

V. Man and apes emerged from a common ancestor.



VI. The earth's geologic features appear to have been fashioned largely by rapid, catastrophic processes that affected the earth on a global and regional scale (catastrophism).

VI. The earth's geologic features were fashioned largely by slow, gradual processes, with infrequent catastrophic events restricted to a local scale (uniformitarianism).



VII. The inception of the earth and of living kinds may have been relatively recent.

VII. The inception of the earth and then of life must have occurred several billion years ago.



I. The Universe and the Solar System Were Suddenly Created.

The First Law of Thermodynamics states that the total quantity of matter and energy in the universe is constant. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that matter and energy always tend to change from complex and ordered states to disordered states. Therefore the universe could not have created itself, but could not have existed forever, or it would have run down long ago. Thus the universe, including matter and energy, apparently must have been created. The "big-bang" theory of the origin of the universe contradicts much physical evidence and seemingly can only be accepted by faith.1 This was also the case with the past cosmogonies theories of evolutionists that have been discarded, such as Hoyle’s steady-state theory. The universe has "obvious manifestations of an ordered, structured plan or design." Similarly, the electron is materially inconceivable and yet it is so perfectly known through its effects," yet a "strange rationale makes some physicists accept the inconceivable electrons as real while refusing to accept the reality of a Designer." "The inconceivability of some ultimate issue (which will always lie outside scientific resolution) should not be allowed to rule out any theory that explains the interrelationship of observed data and is useful for prediction," in the words of Dr. Wernher von Braun, the renowned late physicist in the NASA space program.

II. Life Was Suddenly Created.

Life appears abruptly and in complex forms in the fossil record,2 and gaps appear systematically in the fossil record between various living kinds.3 These facts indicate that basic kinds of plants and animals were created. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that things tend to go from order to disorder (entropy tends to increase) unless added energy is directed by a conversion mechanism (such as photosynthesis), whether a system is open or closed. Thus simple molecules and complex protein, DNA, and RNA molecules seemingly could not have evolved spontaneously and naturalistically into a living cell;4 such cells apparently were created. The laboratory experiments related to theories on the origin of life have not even remotely approached the synthesis of life from nonlife, and the extremely limited results have depended on laboratory conditions that are artificially imposed and extremely improbable.5 The extreme improbability of these conditions and the relatively insignificant results apparently show that life did not emerge by the process that evolutionists postulate.





"One example of the scientific evidence for creation is the sudden appearance of complex fossilized life in the fossil record, and the systematic gaps between fossilized kinds in that record. The most rational inference from this evidence seemingly is that life was created and did not evolve."



III. All Present Living Kinds of Animals and Plants Have Remained Fixed Since Creation, Other than Extinctions, and Genetic Variation in Originally Created Kinds Has Only Occurred within Narrow Limits.

Systematic gaps occur between kinds in the fossil record.6 None of the intermediate fossils that would be expected on the basis of the evolution model have been found between single celled organisms and invertebrates, between invertebrates and vertebrates, between fish and amphibians, between amphibians and reptiles, between reptiles and birds or mammals, or between "lower" mammals and primates.7 While evolutionists might assume that these intermediate forms existed at one time, none of the hundreds of millions of fossils found so far provide the missing links. The few suggested links such as Archoeopteryx and the horse series have been rendered questionable by more detailed data. Fossils and living organisms are readily subjected to the same criteria of classification. Thus present kinds of animals and plants apparently were created, as shown by the systematic fossil gaps and by the similarity of fossil forms to living forms. A kind may be defined as a generally interfertile group of organisms that possesses variant genes for a common set of traits but that does not interbreed with other groups of organisms under normal circumstances. Any evolutionary change between kinds (necessary for the emergence of complex from simple organisms) would require addition of entirely new traits to the common set and enormous expansion of the gene pool over time, and could not occur from mere ecologically adaptive variations of a given trait set (which the creation model recognizes).

IV. Mutation and Natural Selection Are Insufficient To Have Brought About Any Emergence of Present Living Kinds from a Simple Primordial Organism.

The mathematical probability that random mutation and natural selection ultimately produced complex living kinds from a simpler kind is infinitesimally small even after many billions of years.8 Thus mutation and natural selection apparently could not have brought about evolution of present living kinds from a simple first organism. Mutations are always harmful or at least nearly always harmful in an organism's natural environment.9 Thus the mutation process apparently could not have provided the postulated millions of beneficial mutations required for progressive evolution in the supposed five billion years from the origin of the earth until now, and in fact would have produced an overwhelming genetic load over hundreds of millions of years that would have caused degeneration and extinction. Natural selection is a tautologous concept (circular reasoning), because it simply requires the fittest organisms to leave the most offspring and at the same time it identifies the fittest organisms as those that leave the most offspring. Thus natural selection seemingly does not provide a testable explanation of how mutations would produce more fit organisms.10

V. Man and Apes Have a Separate Ancestry.

Although highly imaginative "transitional forms" between man and ape-like creatures have been constructed by evolutionists based on very fragmentary evidence, the fossil record actually documents the separate origin of primates in general,11 monkeys,12 apes,13 and men. In fact, Lord Zuckerman (not a creationist) states that there are no "fossil traces" of a transformation from an ape-like creature to man.14 The fossils of Neanderthal Man were once considered to represent a primitive sub-human (Homo neanderthalensis), but these "primitive" features are now known to have resulted from nutritional deficiencies and pathological conditions; he is now classified as fully human.15 Ramapithecus was once considered to be partially man-like, but is now known to be fully ape-like.16 Australopithecus, in the view of some leading evolutionists, was not intermediate between ape and man and did not walk upright.17 The strong bias of many evolutionists in seeking a link between apes and man is shown by the near-universal acceptance of two "missing links" that were later proved to be a fraud in the case of Piltdown Man (Eoanthropus) and a pig's tooth in the case of Nebraska Man (Hesperopithecus).18

VI. The Earth's Geologic Features Were Fashioned Largely by Rapid, Catastrophic Processes that Affected the Earth on a Global and Regional Scale (Catastrophism).

Catastrophic events have characterized the earth's history. Huge floods, massive asteroid collisions, large volcanic eruptions, devastating landslides, and intense earthquakes have left their marks on the earth. Catastrophic events appear to explain the formation of mountain ranges, deposition of thick sequences of sedimentary rocks with fossils, initiation of the glacial age, and extinction of dinosaurs and other animals. Catastrophism (catastrophic changes), rather than uniformitarianism (gradual changes), appears to be the best interpretation of a major portion of the earth's geology. Geologic data reflect catastrophic flooding. Evidences of rapid catastrophic water deposition include fossilized tree trunks that penetrate numerous sedimentary layers (such as at Joggins, Nova Scotia), widespread pebble and boulder layers (such as the Shinarump Conglomerate of the southwestern United States), fossilized logs in a single layer covering extensive areas (such as Petrified Forest National Park), and whole closed clams that were buried alive in mass graveyards in extensive sedimentary layers (such as at Glen Rose, Texas). Uniform processes such as normal river sedimentation, small volcanoes, slow erosion, and small earthquakes appear insufficient to explain large portions of the geologic record. Even the conventional uniformitarian geologists are beginning to yield to evidences of rapid and catastrophic processes.19

VII. The Inception of the Earth and of Living Kinds May Have Been Relatively Recent.

Radiometric dating methods (such as the uranium-lead and potassium-argon methods) depend on three assumptions: (a) that no decay product (lead or argon) was present initially or that the initial quantities can be accurately estimated, (b) that the decay system was closed through the years (so that radioactive material or product did not move in or out of the rock), and (c) that the decay rate was constant over time.20 Each of these assumptions may be questionable: (a) some nonradiogenic lead or argon was perhaps present initially;21 (b) the radioactive isotope (uranium or potassium isotopes) can perhaps migrate out of, and the decay product (lead or argon) can migrate into, many rocks over the years;22 and (c) the decay rate can perhaps change by neutrino bombardment and other causes.23 Numerous radiometric estimates have been hundreds of millions of years in excess of the true age. Thus ages estimated by the radiometric dating methods may very well be grossly in error. Alternate dating methods suggest much younger ages for the earth and life. Estimating by the rate of addition of helium to the atmosphere from radioactive decay, the age of the earth appears to be about 10,000 years, even allowing for moderate helium escape. Based on the present rate of the earth's cooling, the time required for the earth to have reached its present thermal structure seems to be only several tens of millions of years, even assuming that the earth was initially molten.24 Extrapolating the observed rate of apparently exponential decay of the earth's magnetic field, the age of the earth or life seemingly could not exceed 20,000 years.25 Thus the inception of the earth and the inception of life may have been relatively recent when all the evidence is considered.26



"There is scientific evidence for creation from cosmology, thermodynamics, paleontology, biology, mathematical probability, geology, and other sciences."
"There are many scientists in each field who conclude that the scientific data best support the creation model, not the evolution model."


Summary of Scientific Evidence for Creation (Part I & II)