Education a right ?

[The Rabbi]

Yes no?

I can't believe that there are people in America that believe education is a right.

I can't believe there are people that don't. What's wrong with you people?

Just smart and educated, I guess.

 

[G.T.]

EDUCATION isn't a right...its a responsibility though.

Each generation is RESPONSIBLE for teaching the next.

This debate couldn't exist if we could agree on the meaning of the world "Right".

Sadly we cannot.

Some of you think rights are something that comes from GOD.

Some of us think that rights are something that exist only as a manifestation of society.

Do any of us have the right to exist?

Perhaps...but is that right unalienable?

Of course not.

Anyone of us can deny anyone every RIGHT most of us think we have.

Dead people have no rights.

Basically what I meant by my post. Rights (per our Documents) given by a creator? Because "Men" said so?.....doesn't fly with me.

And I take that you are a ............dog?

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You missed the point. My point is, our Rights, which I agree are necessary to enhance a Civilized way of life for all, show no signs of being endowed by a creator. I see no evidence of this, except Men saying so. Since Human Beings have demonstrated a precedent of lying, then taking them at face value without some sort of proof or substanciation, to me, is not logical. But that's just me.

People find this opinion to mean that I think we don't deserve said rights. I couldn't disagree more. I'm just disagreeing on their origin.

 

[xsited1]

Yes no?

I can't believe that there are people in America that believe education is a right.

I can't believe there are people that don't. What's wrong with you people?

I realize it's difficult for foreigners to believe that, but America is a bit different. There is no enumerated constitutional right to an education. True Americans believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Forcing someone to pay for another's education is anti-American.

 

[G.T.]

I can't believe that there are people in America that believe education is a right.

I can't believe there are people that don't. What's wrong with you people?

I realize it's difficult for foreigners to believe that, but America is a bit different. There is no enumerated constitutional right to an education. True Americans believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Forcing someone to pay for another's education is anti-American.

Stoppit with your "true" Americans rhetoric. Anyone with 3 brain cells can correlate all three of those man-granted-rights of life, liberty and pursuit.......... with Education. Education is required to make all three possible.

Life: Edumucate yourself how to X a damn street. Or not. Die. Edumucate yourself that certain toxins underneath the kitchen sink, when mixed, can and will kill you. Or not. Die.
Liberty: Edumucate yourself on current law, or just, ya know, guess what you're at "liberty" to do.
Pursuit of happiness: debatable. But I could do it if you press me.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I can't believe that there are people in America that believe education is a right.

I can't believe there are people that don't. What's wrong with you people?

Just smart and educated, I guess.

Wow.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I realize it's difficult for foreigners to believe that, but America is a bit different.

Human rights are absolute, they do not depend on where you live.

There is no enumerated constitutional right to an education. .

Doesn't mean the right doesn't exist.

9th Amendment - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Forcing someone to pay for another's education is anti-American.

Ok. So just about every local government in the entire nation is anti-American. You really are fucked in the head.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I can't believe there are people that don't. What's wrong with you people?

I realize it's difficult for foreigners to believe that, but America is a bit different. There is no enumerated constitutional right to an education. True Americans believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Forcing someone to pay for another's education is anti-American.

Stoppit with your "true" Americans rhetoric. Anyone with 3 brain cells can correlate all three of those man-granted-rights of life, liberty and pursuit.......... with Education. Education is required to make all three possible.

Life: Edumucate yourself how to X a damn street. Or not. Die. Edumucate yourself that certain toxins underneath the kitchen sink, when mixed, can and will kill you. Or not. Die.
Liberty: Edumucate yourself on current law, or just, ya know, guess what you're at "liberty" to do.
Pursuit of happiness: debatable. But I could do it if you press me.

I don't recall anything about the "right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...with education" being in the Declaration of Independence....or the Constitution. The reason was that back then many people didn't even go to school...they were taught to read and write by their parents, homeschooled if you will. The current laws regarding education of our children weren't designed to make them a right...they were designed to educate the populace so they could perform in society well enough to generate some sort of income for the government through taxes and not be a total freeloader. Compulsory education is only required until the 10th grade...at which time the student can quit school if they CHOOSE. They have the right to freedom of choice...not the right to an education.

 

[G.T.]

I realize it's difficult for foreigners to believe that, but America is a bit different. There is no enumerated constitutional right to an education. True Americans believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Forcing someone to pay for another's education is anti-American.

Stoppit with your "true" Americans rhetoric. Anyone with 3 brain cells can correlate all three of those man-granted-rights of life, liberty and pursuit.......... with Education. Education is required to make all three possible.

Life: Edumucate yourself how to X a damn street. Or not. Die. Edumucate yourself that certain toxins underneath the kitchen sink, when mixed, can and will kill you. Or not. Die.
Liberty: Edumucate yourself on current law, or just, ya know, guess what you're at "liberty" to do.
Pursuit of happiness: debatable. But I could do it if you press me.

I don't recall anything about the "right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...with education" being in the Declaration of Independence....or the Constitution. The reason was that back then many people didn't even go to school...they were taught to read and write by their parents, homeschooled if you will. The current laws regarding education of our children weren't designed to make them a right...they were designed to educate the populace so they could perform in society well enough to generate some sort of income for the government through taxes and not be a total freeloader. Compulsory education is only required until the 10th grade...at which time the student can quit school if they CHOOSE. They have the right to freedom of choice...not the right to an education.

Your whole premise is that America grants all Rights that should exist. I disagree.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Stoppit with your "true" Americans rhetoric. Anyone with 3 brain cells can correlate all three of those man-granted-rights of life, liberty and pursuit.......... with Education. Education is required to make all three possible.

Life: Edumucate yourself how to X a damn street. Or not. Die. Edumucate yourself that certain toxins underneath the kitchen sink, when mixed, can and will kill you. Or not. Die.
Liberty: Edumucate yourself on current law, or just, ya know, guess what you're at "liberty" to do.
Pursuit of happiness: debatable. But I could do it if you press me.

I don't recall anything about the "right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...with education" being in the Declaration of Independence....or the Constitution. The reason was that back then many people didn't even go to school...they were taught to read and write by their parents, homeschooled if you will. The current laws regarding education of our children weren't designed to make them a right...they were designed to educate the populace so they could perform in society well enough to generate some sort of income for the government through taxes and not be a total freeloader. Compulsory education is only required until the 10th grade...at which time the student can quit school if they CHOOSE. They have the right to freedom of choice...not the right to an education.

Your whole premise is that America grants all Rights that should exist. I disagree.

Incorrect...my premise is that we have the freedom to learn or not to learn....making it a right only forces me to pay for some douchebag to get a Liberal Arts degreee and then tell me I need to pay more taxes because his tuition went up.

 

[rikules]

Education is not a right. Access to an education is a privalage that one should take advantage of, and most don't.

seems to me......

in order for America to maintain (or reachieve) a standard of greatness as a nation we must excell at many things;

we must be productive
we must have initiative
we must be creative
we must be stay apace in the sciences

education is the key

in order for America to be great a highly educated citizenry is paramount

therefore,
education should be cheap and easy to get

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I don't recall anything about the "right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...with education" being in the Declaration of Independence....or the Constitution.

I guess you don't remember the 9th amendment then.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Incorrect...my premise is that we have the freedom to learn or not to learn....making it a right only forces me to pay for some douchebag to get a Liberal Arts degreee and then tell me I need to pay more taxes because his tuition went up.

I don't think you understand what the argument is over.

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't recall anything about the "right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...with education" being in the Declaration of Independence....or the Constitution.

I guess you don't remember the 9th amendment then.

Where is education mentioned in the 9th amendment?

 

[editec]

Most of us have the LEGAL RIGHT to an education as outlined by our STATE CONSTITUTIONS, or by laws written by our states for compulsory education.

Per usual, I'll note that until we agee on what the meaning of the word RIGHTS really is, we cannot truly have a rational discussion about them.

 

[sparky]

we have the right to remain stupid?

just as an aside, would anyone care to opine on a populace that endures a marked decline in it's acedemics comprable to the rest of the world it trades with?

(gee, i hope i spelt all that rigth!)

 

[The Rabbi]

we have the right to remain stupid?

just as an aside, would anyone care to opine on a populace that endures a marked decline in it's acedemics comprable to the rest of the world it trades with?

(gee, i hope i spelt all that rigth!)

Gee that has zero to do with making education a "right." You understand that, right?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I can't believe there are people that don't. What's wrong with you people?

Just smart and educated, I guess.

Wow.

Say.....you progressive liberal socialists just might have something going on there.....

If edsmuckation is a "right"....meaning the govt. must provide me with one.....then I'm sure other basic "human rights" in that UN bleeding heart document must ALSO be in existence....

like a "right" to free food, a "right" to free housing, a "right" to free healthcare, a "right" to free utilities, a "right" to free trans, a "right" to free clothes, etc, etc....


....I think I'll just take all those "rights" I'm entitled to and just kick back and go fishing...

 

[xsited1]

I realize it's difficult for foreigners to believe that, but America is a bit different.

Human rights are absolute, they do not depend on where you live.

There is no enumerated constitutional right to an education. .

Doesn't mean the right doesn't exist.

9th Amendment - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Forcing someone to pay for another's education is anti-American.

Ok. So just about every local government in the entire nation is anti-American. You really are fucked in the head.

Major stretch there little tuba-man. You're comparing apples to oranges by talking about the Constitution of the United States and local government. Seriously, are people in America really this stupid? Yes. Yes, they are. I blame Public Education.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I don't recall anything about the "right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...with education" being in the Declaration of Independence....or the Constitution.

I guess you don't remember the 9th amendment then.

Apparently your having trouble reading it...or are you just interpreting what you think you see based on your views....

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Incorrect...my premise is that we have the freedom to learn or not to learn....making it a right only forces me to pay for some douchebag to get a Liberal Arts degreee and then tell me I need to pay more taxes because his tuition went up.

I don't think you understand what the argument is over.

I don't think you understand what an opposing view is.