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It would be hard for you to know that considering there have been no answers.Yep, it's exactly the same kind of juke and jive that he used to spin. You should look him up. You'd be impressed. They didn't call him 'turd blossom' for nothing.
Really? So questioning why someone thinks the Constitution as been violated is a "juke and jive" ? When someone claims its violated, they are right - no questions asked - correct?
Heh... well, the main thing is to feign ignorance and pretend to be asking an 'honest questoin' (you know, like you're doing now). When in reality, you have no intention of listening to any of the answers to the question.
The idea is to just repeat the question over and over, ad nauseum, to create the illusion that there's a real debate to be had. It's slimy as hell, but tends to be effective with less critical minds. Good luck!
Illegal and unconstitutional according to whom?
Clear violation of MANY laws and orders. Acknowledged now to be contrary to the Patriotic Act, in clear violation of the 4th amendment since that why the Patriotic gave sanctuary to "US Citizens, Legal US residents and OTHERS residing within the borders of the US".
Not to mention a MONUMENTAL departure from the acts and edicts RESTRICTING the NSA from spying domestically in any shape or form prior to 9/11..
The leak also confirms the LYING and MISREPRESENTATION that we've been subjected to and CONTINUE to be subjected to by MOST politicians right up to the Oval Office..
The leak also has shed light on some of our fellow citizens who would be prime candidates for following their party or cause into a dictatorship.. Much like I suspect you are one of those from my previous "data-mining" of your posts..
So, unconstitutional, according to whom?
Clear violation of MANY laws and orders. Acknowledged now to be contrary to the Patriotic Act, in clear violation of the 4th amendment since that why the Patriotic gave sanctuary to "US Citizens, Legal US residents and OTHERS residing within the borders of the US".
Not to mention a MONUMENTAL departure from the acts and edicts RESTRICTING the NSA from spying domestically in any shape or form prior to 9/11..
The leak also confirms the LYING and MISREPRESENTATION that we've been subjected to and CONTINUE to be subjected to by MOST politicians right up to the Oval Office..
The leak also has shed light on some of our fellow citizens who would be prime candidates for following their party or cause into a dictatorship.. Much like I suspect you are one of those from my previous "data-mining" of your posts..
So, unconstitutional, according to whom?
NO ONE has to wait for an Supreme Court case on this. Congress makes laws in ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTION.. Youre only point is that it hasn't been RULED unconstitutional in a public court.. By logic and reason, without this LEAK (disclosure), we would have never KNOWN about the lawlessness that exists. In fact, when the phone companies went to PUBLIC COURT to initially BLOCK this grab -- they were sent National Security Letters telling them to immediately DROP the court cases.
The NSA should clearly always tell the truth. We wouldn't want the terrorists to be misinformed about our intelligence activities.Not to mention that last time I checked, there was the gigantic lie on the NSA website that says they "are not involved in domestic surveillance".. You OK with that kind of lie and misrepresentation? That's the country you want to live in?
WTFuck are you trying to prove here? Trying to out Neo-Con the Neo-Cons?
OOpyDoo is too dense to know when his door has busted, his dog shot, and he's cuffed with his stuff going out the door without a warrant that his rights have been violated..
OOpyDoo is too dense to know when his door has busted, his dog shot, and he's cuffed with his stuff going out the door without a warrant that his rights have been violated..
I throw my phone bill in the trash every month, un-shredded. The NSA didn't gather any more information than they could have by sorting through my trash.
So, unconstitutional, according to whom?
NO ONE has to wait for an Supreme Court case on this. Congress makes laws in ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTION.. Youre only point is that it hasn't been RULED unconstitutional in a public court.. By logic and reason, without this LEAK (disclosure), we would have never KNOWN about the lawlessness that exists. In fact, when the phone companies went to PUBLIC COURT to initially BLOCK this grab -- they were sent National Security Letters telling them to immediately DROP the court cases.
Lawlessness according to whom?
Not to mention that last time I checked, there was the gigantic lie on the NSA website that says they "are not involved in domestic surveillance".. You OK with that kind of lie and misrepresentation? That's the country you want to live in?
The NSA should clearly always tell the truth. We wouldn't want the terrorists to be misinformed about our intelligence activities.
WTFuck are you trying to prove here? Trying to out Neo-Con the Neo-Cons?
I just want to know under what authority Snowden determine the government was violating the Constitution - hence granting him authority to violate his oath to not release secret information. Is this just something he thought up himself? Is that how it works? Anyone who has taken an oath to keep government secrets can just - on their own - say "hey, the government's violating the Constitution, so its OK and legal for me to release these secrets" Is that how its supposed to work?
NO ONE has to wait for an Supreme Court case on this. Congress makes laws in ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTION.. Youre only point is that it hasn't been RULED unconstitutional in a public court.. By logic and reason, without this LEAK (disclosure), we would have never KNOWN about the lawlessness that exists. In fact, when the phone companies went to PUBLIC COURT to initially BLOCK this grab -- they were sent National Security Letters telling them to immediately DROP the court cases.
Lawlessness according to whom?
The NSA should clearly always tell the truth. We wouldn't want the terrorists to be misinformed about our intelligence activities.
WTFuck are you trying to prove here? Trying to out Neo-Con the Neo-Cons?
I just want to know under what authority Snowden determine the government was violating the Constitution - hence granting him authority to violate his oath to not release secret information. Is this just something he thought up himself? Is that how it works? Anyone who has taken an oath to keep government secrets can just - on their own - say "hey, the government's violating the Constitution, so its OK and legal for me to release these secrets" Is that how its supposed to work?
Your response to my observation that NSA is clearly CHARTERED thru legislation historically to AVOID domestic spying and yet even until recently DENIED it -- shows how uncritical your thinking is. They and CONGRESS are propagating that lie to you.. I am a BIG FAN of NSA, but would NEVER have considered that their capabilities would be used against the Homeland. The fact that you believe they can AUTONOMOUSLY lie and be PROTECTED by those exercising oversight means I don't have to take you seriously. You're a danger to yourself and the govt YOU are responsible for..
Perhaps Snowden is smarter than you and recognizes he had ZERO recourse as a whistleblower thru the chain of command. Since CONGRESS is impotent to punish the guilty in ANY of these occurrences and is largely complicit in the crime.. And the claim of "ample oversight" is clearly another lie if whistleblowers have no recourse but to become political prisoners or political refugees..
This NEEDED to be exposed. It is a threat to our system of government and freedom.. When the govt doesn't HAVE to sift thru Millions of garbage cans to get this data, but only needs to lie and intimidate a couple companies and THREATEN them with extra-legal actions -- we've got a problem..
Lawlessness according to whom?
The NSA should clearly always tell the truth. We wouldn't want the terrorists to be misinformed about our intelligence activities.
I just want to know under what authority Snowden determine the government was violating the Constitution - hence granting him authority to violate his oath to not release secret information. Is this just something he thought up himself? Is that how it works? Anyone who has taken an oath to keep government secrets can just - on their own - say "hey, the government's violating the Constitution, so its OK and legal for me to release these secrets" Is that how its supposed to work?
Your response to my observation that NSA is clearly CHARTERED thru legislation historically to AVOID domestic spying and yet even until recently DENIED it -- shows how uncritical your thinking is. They and CONGRESS are propagating that lie to you.. I am a BIG FAN of NSA, but would NEVER have considered that their capabilities would be used against the Homeland. The fact that you believe they can AUTONOMOUSLY lie and be PROTECTED by those exercising oversight means I don't have to take you seriously. You're a danger to yourself and the govt YOU are responsible for..
Perhaps Snowden is smarter than you and recognizes he had ZERO recourse as a whistleblower thru the chain of command. Since CONGRESS is impotent to punish the guilty in ANY of these occurrences and is largely complicit in the crime.. And the claim of "ample oversight" is clearly another lie if whistleblowers have no recourse but to become political prisoners or political refugees..
This NEEDED to be exposed. It is a threat to our system of government and freedom.. When the govt doesn't HAVE to sift thru Millions of garbage cans to get this data, but only needs to lie and intimidate a couple companies and THREATEN them with extra-legal actions -- we've got a problem..
Under what authority did Snowden determine the government was violating the Constitution - hence granting him authority to violate his oath to not release secret information?
Under what "authority" do you take the 5th Amendment? Under what "authority" do you deny a search of your vehicle? OoopyDoo -- get out of my face with your smokescreened defense of this outrage...
I've never taken the 5th amendment.Under what "authority" do you take the 5th Amendment?
Is the government never allowed to search a vehicle?Under what "authority" do you deny a search of your vehicle?
That's a cop out Kevin. He could have at least leaked it to the American media, as did the one in the Rosen Case. Just because we didn't see them do it, doesn't mean they didn't do it. The evidence is already there! There is NO NEED for this type of renegade/vigilante behavior. Heck this crap has been going on since 2006, as if we didn't already know, Mr. Kennedy. His heart was in the right place, but his intentions were not. If you are willing to break the law, how can I trust you to uphold it?
Glenn Greenwald is an American, and that's who he leaked it to. Talk about a cop out. Who cares if he leaked it to the Guardian or the NY Times?
So you knew about PRISM and Verizon turning over everybody's data the U.S. government before Snowden leaked this story? Why didn't you say anything? Of course you didn't. Nobody knew the scope of the spying.
This argument is so disingenuous, that he "broke the law." It's only illegal because the government made it illegal to protect itself from being held accountable for what it knew was its own illegal behavior. Laws like that should be broken.
No, it is illegal because he signed a non disclosure agreement with the government (You). He broke faith with you (The Government). he has released classified information to the public which includes our enemies.
On the other hand, the government has taken the Pat Act and stretched it way beyond what was meant. Our beloved congress needs to meet and put in some overtime reeling this back and placing definitions where needed. And if not that repealing it completely which would be detrimental to the security of the USA. I have little doubt that the way this has been used is unconstitutional.
Yet the man is still guilty and should be brought back to face trial.
I agree with your opinion of his action. However I haven't seen anything that remotely sounds like he leaked National Security information. He merely "leaked" information that was already common knowledge: the authorities look for patterns in phone activity, the horror. The authorities monitor emails of foreigners in an effort to catch terrorists, oh my!
Ravi, it's not foreigners. It is you and I. Makes a bit of a difference. Yes I knew that they were monitoring international calls, When i talked to my sons in Germany we would talk about terrorists on purpose just to give NSA some extra work. But I do not expect the Government to have any reason to follow what I do in my private e-mails to my Daughter 200 miles away from me.
I have not seen anything that leads me to believe that the government is monitoring Americans. If you have, please post it.
Edward Snowden: saving us from the United Stasi of America | Daniel Ellsberg | Comment is free | guardian.co.ukIn my estimation, there has not been in American history a more important leak than Edward Snowden's release of NSA material and that definitely includes the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago. Snowden's whistleblowing gives us the possibility to roll back a key part of what has amounted to an "executive coup" against the US constitution.
Since 9/11, there has been, at first secretly but increasingly openly, a revocation of the bill of rights for which this country fought over 200 years ago. In particular, the fourth and fifth amendments of the US constitution, which safeguard citizens from unwarranted intrusion by the government into their private lives, have been virtually suspended.
The government claims it has a court warrant under Fisa but that unconstitutionally sweeping warrant is from a secret court, shielded from effective oversight, almost totally deferential to executive requests. As Russell Tice, a former National Security Agency analyst, put it: "It is a kangaroo court with a rubber stamp."
Interesting that Daniel Ellsberg sees this as the most important leak in American history.
Is the government never allowed to search a vehicle?Under what "authority" do you deny a search of your vehicle?
Edward Snowden: saving us from the United Stasi of America | Daniel Ellsberg | Comment is free | guardian.co.ukIn my estimation, there has not been in American history a more important leak than Edward Snowden's release of NSA material and that definitely includes the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago. Snowden's whistleblowing gives us the possibility to roll back a key part of what has amounted to an "executive coup" against the US constitution.
Since 9/11, there has been, at first secretly but increasingly openly, a revocation of the bill of rights for which this country fought over 200 years ago. In particular, the fourth and fifth amendments of the US constitution, which safeguard citizens from unwarranted intrusion by the government into their private lives, have been virtually suspended.
The government claims it has a court warrant under Fisa but that unconstitutionally sweeping warrant is from a secret court, shielded from effective oversight, almost totally deferential to executive requests. As Russell Tice, a former National Security Agency analyst, put it: "It is a kangaroo court with a rubber stamp."
Interesting that Daniel Ellsberg sees this as the most important leak in American history.
The guy that leaked the Pentagon Papers thinks this is a bigger story? And Obamazombies are still defending him?
Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations | World news | guardian.co.ukThe individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.
The Guardian, after several days of interviews, is revealing his identity at his request. From the moment he decided to disclose numerous top-secret documents to the public, he was determined not to opt for the protection of anonymity. "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong," he said.
Snowden will go down in history as one of America's most consequential whistleblowers, alongside Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning. He is responsible for handing over material from one of the world's most secretive organisations the NSA.
It's probable that the government is going to go after this hero, harshly, when, in fact, they should be the ones arrested.
If Snowden had clearance and leaked the information, he broke the law. I'm sorry your hero is a criminal.
Someone please refresh my memory. What's the big leak---people have known about this since Bush. Aren't we just revisiting an old issue ?
There isn't a big leak. The NSA is authorized by Congress and the courts to do exactly what it was 'leaked' they were doing. The only difference is now we - and our enemies - know a few more details.
If Snowden had been caught doing what he did in 1943 he would have been hung and no one would have given a damn except his mother.
