End Affirmative Action Now

[Sawbriars]

"What is called “affirmative action” is one of the greatest of contemporary hoaxes. First passed off as compensation for discrimination, then as a means to achieve “diversity,” it is nothing less than official, government-mandated discrimination against whites."

The Republican Party should make the ending of affirmative action a key provision of it's platform if it wants to win next time.

Affirmative Action Hoax - Welcome

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Probably helped out some people you like, like Condi Rice, President of Stanford. She admits to it.

Anyway, it's done a good job considering.

 

[Sawbriars]

I am no fan of condi rice....she was Bush's National Security Advisor when 9/11 occurred on her watch....she should have resigned....even bill clinton knew that Osama was American Enemy#1 and even so advised condolezza...yet she was focusing on Russia....incompetent politically correct appointee which demonstrated bush was no conservative...a moderate at best.

 

[KevinWestern]

"What is called “affirmative action” is one of the greatest of contemporary hoaxes. First passed off as compensation for discrimination, then as a means to achieve “diversity,” it is nothing less than official, government-mandated discrimination against whites."

The Republican Party should make the ending of affirmative action a key provision of it's platform if it wants to win next time.

Affirmative Action Hoax - Welcome

A key provision of its platform? Really?

I think there are infinitely more important things to focus on, like not supporting the NDAA 2012 and indefinite detention (which most key GOP members supported, surprisingly), not bailing out banks, fixing the national debt, not starting wars on a whim for absolutely no reason, etc. Those things will drastically affect ALL of our lives if left unattended to.

Affirmative action is but a blip in my sphere of concerns.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Make everyone equal.

No quotas!

 

[Truthmatters]

why so you racists can burn down and bomb from the air black people again?

 

[ClosedCaption]

"What is called “affirmative action” is one of the greatest of contemporary hoaxes. First passed off as compensation for discrimination, then as a means to achieve “diversity,” it is nothing less than official, government-mandated discrimination against whites."

The Republican Party should make the ending of affirmative action a key provision of it's platform if it wants to win next time.

Affirmative Action Hoax - Welcome

Yeah except naw..

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/books/review/28KOTZL.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

When Affirmative Action Was White': Uncivil Rights

After years of battling racial discrimination and braving state-sanctioned violence -- with hundreds of Southern black churches set fire to and scores of citizens beaten or murdered for daring to challenge American apartheid -- the civil rights movement achieved a climactic victory when President Lyndon Baines Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act on Aug. 6, 1965. It was the outcome of ''a shining moment in the conscience of man,'' declared the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. In less than two years, the nation did more to advance equal rights for minorities than at any time since Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation.

The 1964 Civil Rights Act struck down the South's segregation laws, outlawed employment discrimination and forbade discrimination in federal programs. For black Americans living in the South, the voting rights law finally secured the right to the ballot. And President Johnson initiated a sweeping new government policy called affirmative action. Its purpose was to overcome at least some of the accumulated human damage caused by 350 years of slavery and Jim Crow, and to ensure further progress toward equality.

Benefiting from that ''shining moment'' in the 1960's, a black middle class has prospered and grown rapidly. Yet millions of African-Americans remain mired in poverty in a nation bitterly divided over whether special help to minorities should continue. Affirmative action programs have long been under siege, vigorously attacked in Congress and the federal courts and criticized for ''discriminating'' against the white majority. With conservatives dominating the federal government, civil rights groups and other liberal organizations have waged a mostly defensive battle to protect the gains of the 1960's. Fresh ideas and effective leadership to advance the American ideals of equality and social justice have been in short supply.

Ira Katznelson, the Ruggles professor of political science and history at Columbia University, enters this fray with a provocative new book, ''When Affirmative Action Was White,'' which seeks to provide a broader historical justification for continuing affirmative action programs. Katznelson's principal focus is on the monumental social programs of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal and Harry Truman's Fair Deal in the 1930's and 1940's. He contends that those programs not only discriminated against blacks, but actually contributed to widening the gap between white and black Americans -- judged in terms of educational achievement, quality of jobs and housing, and attainment of higher income. Arguing for the necessity of affirmative action today, Katznelson contends that policy makers and the judiciary previously failed to consider just how unfairly blacks had been treated by the federal government in the 30 years before the civil rights revolution of the 1960's.

This history has been told before, but Katznelson offers a penetrating new analysis, supported by vivid examples and statistics. He examines closely how the federal government discriminated against black citizens as it created and administered the sweeping social programs that provided the vital framework for a vibrant and secure American middle class. Considered revolutionary at the time, the new legislation included the Social Security system, unemployment compensation, the minimum wage, protection of the right of workers to join labor unions and the G.I. Bill of Rights.

Even though blacks benefited to a degree from many of these programs, Katznelson shows how and why they received far less assistance than whites did. He documents the political process by which powerful Southern Congressional barons shaped the programs in discriminatory ways -- as their price for supporting them. (A black newspaper editorial criticized Roosevelt for excluding from the minimum wage law the black women who worked long hours for $4.50 a week at the resort the president frequented in Warm Springs, Ga.)

At the time, most blacks in the labor force were employed in agriculture or as domestic household workers. Members of Congress from the Deep South demanded that those occupations be excluded from the minimum wage, Social Security, unemployment insurance and workmen's compensation. When labor unions scored initial victories in organizing poor factory workers in the South after World War II, the Southern Congressional leaders spearheaded legislation to cripple those efforts. The Southerners' principal objective, Katznelson contends, was to safeguard the racist economic and social order known as the Southern ''way of life.''

Katznelson reserves his harshest criticism for the unfair application of the Servicemen's Readjustment Act, known as the G.I. Bill of Rights, a series of programs that poured $95 billion into expanding opportunity for soldiers returning from World War II. Over all, the G.I. Bill was a dramatic success, helping 16 million veterans attend college, receive job training, start businesses and purchase their first homes. Half a century later, President Clinton praised the G.I. Bill as ''the best deal ever made by Uncle Sam,'' and said it ''helped to unleash a prosperity never before known.''

But Katznelson demonstrates that African-American veterans received significantly less help from the G.I. Bill than their white counterparts. ''Written under Southern auspices,'' he reports, ''the law was deliberately designed to accommodate Jim Crow.'' He cites one 1940's study that concluded it was ''as though the G.I. Bill had been earmarked 'For White Veterans Only.' '' Southern Congressional leaders made certain that the programs were directed not by Washington but by local white officials, businessmen, bankers and college administrators who would honor past practices. As a result, thousands of black veterans in the South -- and the North as well -- were denied housing and business loans, as well as admission to whites-only colleges and universities. They were also excluded from job-training programs for careers in promising new fields like radio and electrical work, commercial photography and mechanics. Instead, most African-Americans were channeled toward traditional, low-paying ''black jobs'' and small black colleges, which were pitifully underfinanced and ill equipped to meet the needs of a surging enrollment of returning soldiers.

The statistics on disparate treatment are staggering. By October 1946, 6,500 former soldiers had been placed in nonfarm jobs by the employment service in Mississippi; 86 percent of the skilled and semiskilled jobs were filled by whites, 92 percent of the unskilled ones by blacks. In New York and northern New Jersey, ''fewer than 100 of the 67,000 mortgages insured by the G.I. Bill supported home purchases by nonwhites.'' Discrimination continued as well in elite Northern colleges. The University of Pennsylvania, along with Columbia the least discriminatory of the Ivy League colleges, enrolled only 46 black students in its student body of 9,000 in 1946. The traditional black colleges did not have places for an estimated 70,000 black veterans in 1947. At the same time, white universities were doubling their enrollments and prospering with the infusion of public and private funds, and of students with their G.I. benefits.

Katznelson argues that the case for affirmative action today is made more effectively by citing concrete history rather than through general exhortations. Studying the New Deal, the Fair Deal, the Great Society and the civil rights movements of the 1960's could not be more relevant at a time when the administration seems determined to weaken many of the federal programs that for decades have not just sustained the nation's minorities but built its solid middle class. Whether or not Katznelson's study directly influences the affirmative action debate, it serves an important purpose. With key parts of the Voting Rights Act set to expire in 2007 and other civil rights protections subject to change, we must understand a continuing reality: the insidious and recurrent racial bias in the history of American public life.

 

[Sawbriars]

"What is called “affirmative action” is one of the greatest of contemporary hoaxes. First passed off as compensation for discrimination, then as a means to achieve “diversity,” it is nothing less than official, government-mandated discrimination against whites."

The Republican Party should make the ending of affirmative action a key provision of it's platform if it wants to win next time.

Affirmative Action Hoax - Welcome

A key provision of its platform? Really?

I think there are infinitely more important things to focus on, like not supporting the NDAA 2012 and indefinite detention (which most key GOP members supported, surprisingly), not bailing out banks, fixing the national debt, not starting wars on a whim for absolutely no reason, etc. Those things will drastically affect ALL of our lives if left unattended to.

Affirmative action is but a blip in my sphere of concerns.

bwaaaaaaaaa what nonsense....cutting back our military when we are at the most dangerous point in our history...yeh that makes a lot of sense.....leave it to a liberal to believe that idiocy. They also believe we really have no enemies....that all foreign disputes can be handled by obamanation's skilled diplomacy.

We will never be able to pay back the staggering national debt...better just default...and if we tell china to stick it...we better be prepared militarily.

 

[Sawbriars]

Make everyone equal.

No quotas!

We cannot make everyone equal though the Feds have been following that delusion for a long time now....but we can make everyone equal before the law....and stop the Federal racist policies of favoring one group over another....aka affirmative action.

 

[Truthmatters]

tell me what you people know about black walstreet?

 

[KevinWestern]

bwaaaaaaaaa what nonsense....cutting back our military when we are at the most dangerous point in our history...yeh that makes a lot of sense.....leave it to a liberal to believe that idiocy. They also believe we really have no enemies....that all foreign disputes can be handled by obamanation's skilled diplomacy.

We will never be able to pay back the staggering national debt...better just default...and if we tell china to stick it...we better be prepared militarily.

How about we read more carefully. Did I say we cut our military or that we shouldn't start wars on a whim? Which one was it?

We invaded Iraq despite the fact we didn't have great intel on WMDs, despite the fact Saddam posed no real threat to us, and despite the fact he had nothing (absolutely nothing) to do with 9/11. That resulted in 6 thousand US soldiers dead, and trillions of dollars wasted. Just sickening.

Afghanistan? That's fine. It at least had a connection to 9/11. I was 100% in favor of hunting down Bin Laden. Again, you need to read more carefully.

Republicans say they want small government, but tend to run up the budgets just as much as the Democrats. Republicans say they want freedom, but instead support the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial (even Romney was in support of this!). Republicans say they want washington out of their personal lives but support the NSA and departments of homeland security spying indiscriminately on US citizens. They say they want less laws and regulations but give crony subsidies to friends. The GOP needs to get its fucking head out of its ass.

Note, the Dems do all these things too and are arguably much worse but just pointing out that the GOP has a lot more problems to worry about than "affirmative action", which was my point.

 

[Sawbriars]

"What is called “affirmative action” is one of the greatest of contemporary hoaxes. First passed off as compensation for discrimination, then as a means to achieve “diversity,” it is nothing less than official, government-mandated discrimination against whites."

The Republican Party should make the ending of affirmative action a key provision of it's platform if it wants to win next time.

Affirmative Action Hoax - Welcome

Yeah except naw..

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/books/review/28KOTZL.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

When Affirmative Action Was White': Uncivil Rights

After years of battling racial discrimination and braving state-sanctioned violence -- with hundreds of Southern black churches set fire to and scores of citizens beaten or murdered for daring to challenge American apartheid -- the civil rights movement achieved a climactic victory when President Lyndon Baines Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act on Aug. 6, 1965. It was the outcome of ''a shining moment in the conscience of man,'' declared the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. In less than two years, the nation did more to advance equal rights for minorities than at any time since Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation.

The 1964 Civil Rights Act struck down the South's segregation laws, outlawed employment discrimination and forbade discrimination in federal programs. For black Americans living in the South, the voting rights law finally secured the right to the ballot. And President Johnson initiated a sweeping new government policy called affirmative action. Its purpose was to overcome at least some of the accumulated human damage caused by 350 years of slavery and Jim Crow, and to ensure further progress toward equality.

Benefiting from that ''shining moment'' in the 1960's, a black middle class has prospered and grown rapidly. Yet millions of African-Americans remain mired in poverty in a nation bitterly divided over whether special help to minorities should continue. Affirmative action programs have long been under siege, vigorously attacked in Congress and the federal courts and criticized for ''discriminating'' against the white majority. With conservatives dominating the federal government, civil rights groups and other liberal organizations have waged a mostly defensive battle to protect the gains of the 1960's. Fresh ideas and effective leadership to advance the American ideals of equality and social justice have been in short supply.

Ira Katznelson, the Ruggles professor of political science and history at Columbia University, enters this fray with a provocative new book, ''When Affirmative Action Was White,'' which seeks to provide a broader historical justification for continuing affirmative action programs. Katznelson's principal focus is on the monumental social programs of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal and Harry Truman's Fair Deal in the 1930's and 1940's. He contends that those programs not only discriminated against blacks, but actually contributed to widening the gap between white and black Americans -- judged in terms of educational achievement, quality of jobs and housing, and attainment of higher income. Arguing for the necessity of affirmative action today, Katznelson contends that policy makers and the judiciary previously failed to consider just how unfairly blacks had been treated by the federal government in the 30 years before the civil rights revolution of the 1960's.

This history has been told before, but Katznelson offers a penetrating new analysis, supported by vivid examples and statistics. He examines closely how the federal government discriminated against black citizens as it created and administered the sweeping social programs that provided the vital framework for a vibrant and secure American middle class. Considered revolutionary at the time, the new legislation included the Social Security system, unemployment compensation, the minimum wage, protection of the right of workers to join labor unions and the G.I. Bill of Rights.

Even though blacks benefited to a degree from many of these programs, Katznelson shows how and why they received far less assistance than whites did. He documents the political process by which powerful Southern Congressional barons shaped the programs in discriminatory ways -- as their price for supporting them. (A black newspaper editorial criticized Roosevelt for excluding from the minimum wage law the black women who worked long hours for $4.50 a week at the resort the president frequented in Warm Springs, Ga.)

At the time, most blacks in the labor force were employed in agriculture or as domestic household workers. Members of Congress from the Deep South demanded that those occupations be excluded from the minimum wage, Social Security, unemployment insurance and workmen's compensation. When labor unions scored initial victories in organizing poor factory workers in the South after World War II, the Southern Congressional leaders spearheaded legislation to cripple those efforts. The Southerners' principal objective, Katznelson contends, was to safeguard the racist economic and social order known as the Southern ''way of life.''

Katznelson reserves his harshest criticism for the unfair application of the Servicemen's Readjustment Act, known as the G.I. Bill of Rights, a series of programs that poured $95 billion into expanding opportunity for soldiers returning from World War II. Over all, the G.I. Bill was a dramatic success, helping 16 million veterans attend college, receive job training, start businesses and purchase their first homes. Half a century later, President Clinton praised the G.I. Bill as ''the best deal ever made by Uncle Sam,'' and said it ''helped to unleash a prosperity never before known.''

But Katznelson demonstrates that African-American veterans received significantly less help from the G.I. Bill than their white counterparts. ''Written under Southern auspices,'' he reports, ''the law was deliberately designed to accommodate Jim Crow.'' He cites one 1940's study that concluded it was ''as though the G.I. Bill had been earmarked 'For White Veterans Only.' '' Southern Congressional leaders made certain that the programs were directed not by Washington but by local white officials, businessmen, bankers and college administrators who would honor past practices. As a result, thousands of black veterans in the South -- and the North as well -- were denied housing and business loans, as well as admission to whites-only colleges and universities. They were also excluded from job-training programs for careers in promising new fields like radio and electrical work, commercial photography and mechanics. Instead, most African-Americans were channeled toward traditional, low-paying ''black jobs'' and small black colleges, which were pitifully underfinanced and ill equipped to meet the needs of a surging enrollment of returning soldiers.

The statistics on disparate treatment are staggering. By October 1946, 6,500 former soldiers had been placed in nonfarm jobs by the employment service in Mississippi; 86 percent of the skilled and semiskilled jobs were filled by whites, 92 percent of the unskilled ones by blacks. In New York and northern New Jersey, ''fewer than 100 of the 67,000 mortgages insured by the G.I. Bill supported home purchases by nonwhites.'' Discrimination continued as well in elite Northern colleges. The University of Pennsylvania, along with Columbia the least discriminatory of the Ivy League colleges, enrolled only 46 black students in its student body of 9,000 in 1946. The traditional black colleges did not have places for an estimated 70,000 black veterans in 1947. At the same time, white universities were doubling their enrollments and prospering with the infusion of public and private funds, and of students with their G.I. benefits.

Katznelson argues that the case for affirmative action today is made more effectively by citing concrete history rather than through general exhortations. Studying the New Deal, the Fair Deal, the Great Society and the civil rights movements of the 1960's could not be more relevant at a time when the administration seems determined to weaken many of the federal programs that for decades have not just sustained the nation's minorities but built its solid middle class. Whether or not Katznelson's study directly influences the affirmative action debate, it serves an important purpose. With key parts of the Voting Rights Act set to expire in 2007 and other civil rights protections subject to change, we must understand a continuing reality: the insidious and recurrent racial bias in the history of American public life.

First of all in regards to black churches being burned>>>>>>Black church-burning hoax - Conservapedia

Secondly....apartheid is not a American Woid....if you want to talk about apartheid go to S.Africa and learn what horrors have been visited on that nation since they ended apartheid.

LBJ the man responsible for the assasination of JFK was a outright criminal and did more damage to America than Mr. Lincoln's War.

Enabling the voiting of ignorant and illiterate people with a vendetta helped America how? Only ignorant people think that was a good move.

You keep mentioning losers and traitors aka MLK..........the real truth about MLK........Martin Luther King Jr. - A Historical Examination: The REAL truth about Martin Luther King Jr.

Not suprisingly you want to claim that Blacks should be given equality....newsflash for the deluded.....that is not something that can be granted to anyone.....cuz it is a myth got dat? There is no such thing as equality amongst peoples...of any race. Got dat?

The American Working class was charged 15 trillion dollars to try and make Negroes equal.....anyone ever notice that it did not work?...Negroes are worse off today than ever....holed up in their hown neighborhoods fearing getting shot if they dare walk down one of their streets....

Now I will provide a solution that will work.....how dat you ax? By putting the Negroes to woik. Ever notice that even with one of their own as POTUS they unemployment has increased...why dat you ax? cuz bro--dis head Nigga in da white house do not believe in putting people to woik...he jus wanna send em a check, send em some food stamps and print up some money or borrow some moe money from da chinese to pay for all dat.

Now some might ax me...how I gonna put da Niggas to woik? Well...actually I would put everyone to woik....and I have already presented by plan to do that to all the local politicians and even the POTUS hissself....suprise...suprise I aint hear nuttin from dem. heh heh

I even presented the plan on this boid. It is called The NSP.

Study up and then git back wid me bro. heh heh

 

[Truthmatters]

right wing fucking lies

 

[ClosedCaption]

This dude quoted me then proceeded to dodge an entire dissertation.

Affirmative action was white. No one wanted to end it until the blacks started to get it. build a bridge and get over it

 

[nodoginnafight]

There are a lot of people who really don't understand affirmative action.

It's like a game of monopoly - for almost 200 years black people could roll the dice, but they weren't allowed to buy property. So in the 60s we said we'll let black people roll the dice AND buy property three or four times in a row to help them catch up.

When a white person got skipped in that process - some started screaming "reverse discrimination"
B.S.

But the real problem I have is that the program needs to have some quantifiable goals that will trigger the end of the program. There's no reason it should go on forever.

 

[KevinWestern]

There are a lot of people who really don't understand affirmative action.

It's like a game of monopoly - for almost 200 years black people could roll the dice, but they weren't allowed to buy property. So in the 60s we said we'll let black people roll the dice AND buy property three or four times in a row to help them catch up.

When a white person got skipped in that process - some started screaming "reverse discrimination"
B.S.

But the real problem I have is that the program needs to have some quantifiable goals that will trigger the end of the program. There's no reason it should go on forever.

As I mentioned I can see how affirmative action can be perceived to be unfair at times. Yes, occasionally a white kid will lose to a black kid of equal stature (applying to a college, etc) directly due to affirmative action policies. But who cares? If you're a smart white kid I see no barriers for you getting into college, landing a job, etc in the United States.

Therefore I have no problem with a little bit of affirmative action existing here or there. I think black folks are still discriminated against on many different levels and this little attempt to help is not something we should set up as a "key platform issue".

That's ridiculous.

 

[Sawbriars]

If the majority population understood the truth about Affirmative Action it would have been abolished long ago.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmA6Kdy12jU]The Affirmative Action Hoax | Steve Farron - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ClosedCaption]

Oh..If only we "understood" it we'd be against it. Got it.

 

[Sawbriars]

tell me what you people know about black walstreet?

You are off topic and attempting to disrupt or hijack this thread....all against the rules.

 

[Sawbriars]

This dude quoted me then proceeded to dodge an entire dissertation.

Affirmative action was white. No one wanted to end it until the blacks started to get it. build a bridge and get over it

Ridiculous statement....makes no sense whatsoever.