End Green Energy Subsidies Now!

[The Rabbi]

Under a true free market there are no subsidies or market barriers. Green energy subsidies are what help the US become more energy independent, and fund renewable energy sources. They are more beneficial than subsides to fossil fuels, which will run out by the end of the century. If America gets rid of any subsidies however, agriculture subsidies and oil subsidies cost America the most.

THe fracking revolution has done far more than decades of green energy subsidies to make America energy indepedent.

 

[hipeter924]

Under a true free market there are no subsidies or market barriers. Green energy subsidies are what help the US become more energy independent, and fund renewable energy sources. They are more beneficial than subsides to fossil fuels, which will run out by the end of the century. If America gets rid of any subsidies however, agriculture subsidies and oil subsidies cost America the most.

THe fracking revolution has done far more than decades of green energy subsidies to make America energy indepedent.

Hardly. Oil is set to run out by the end of the century, even by the most generous forecasts. Removing green energy subsidies wouldn't help America adapt to the eventual fossil fuels crash. Sunlight should last several billion years, and hydrogen fuel cells aren't that far off from replacing oil in cars either.

 

[The Rabbi]

Under a true free market there are no subsidies or market barriers. Green energy subsidies are what help the US become more energy independent, and fund renewable energy sources. They are more beneficial than subsides to fossil fuels, which will run out by the end of the century. If America gets rid of any subsidies however, agriculture subsidies and oil subsidies cost America the most.

THe fracking revolution has done far more than decades of green energy subsidies to make America energy indepedent.

Hardly. Oil is set to run out by the end of the century, even by the most generous forecasts. Removing green energy subsidies wouldn't help America adapt to the eventual fossil fuels crash. Sunlight should last several billion years, and hydrogen fuel cells aren't that far off from replacing oil in cars either.

There is no evidence that oil will run out. People were saying that in 1976.
Having green energy subsidies will not help America become energy independent either.

 

[boedicca]

Green energy has always been more expensive than traditional fuels. Which is why the industry wouldn't exist without extensive gov't subsidies. Those subsidies cost taxpayers real money and distort the market for energy. Wind power has been subsidized since the 1980s (maybe more)..
Especially now with oil prices plunging due to increased production (take that, you "we're running out of oil" milquetoasts) the difference between green and traditional energy is even more.
Time to pull the plug on this expensive waste of taxpayer resource.

I'll go you two further. Let's end all corporate and personal welfare now.

 

[The Rabbi]

Green energy has always been more expensive than traditional fuels. Which is why the industry wouldn't exist without extensive gov't subsidies. Those subsidies cost taxpayers real money and distort the market for energy. Wind power has been subsidized since the 1980s (maybe more)..
Especially now with oil prices plunging due to increased production (take that, you "we're running out of oil" milquetoasts) the difference between green and traditional energy is even more.
Time to pull the plug on this expensive waste of taxpayer resource.

I'll go you two further. Let's end all corporate and personal welfare now.

It depends on what you want to call "welfare." Some lunkheads here think a depletion allowance is corporate welfare. Or depreciation on equipment.

 

[boedicca]

Green energy has always been more expensive than traditional fuels. Which is why the industry wouldn't exist without extensive gov't subsidies. Those subsidies cost taxpayers real money and distort the market for energy. Wind power has been subsidized since the 1980s (maybe more)..
Especially now with oil prices plunging due to increased production (take that, you "we're running out of oil" milquetoasts) the difference between green and traditional energy is even more.
Time to pull the plug on this expensive waste of taxpayer resource.

I'll go you two further. Let's end all corporate and personal welfare now.

It depends on what you want to call "welfare." Some lunkheads here think a depletion allowance is corporate welfare. Or depreciation on equipment.

A low flat tax would get rid of the nonsense that "letting" people and corporations keep their own money is welfare.

 

[boilermaker55]

We all enjoy it.

I love this Ignore feature on the new software.

 

[Mustang]

Let's turn every road into a toll road. I mean, why are our taxes going to pay for the paving and upkeep of roads we never drive on. Let's see what happens when people have to pay directly to get their streets paved.

How is that even relevant to the OP?
Do you support subsidies for green power or not?

I absolutely and enthusiastically and wholeheartedly support subsidies for green power. Perhaps you want to see the Chinese and the Germans beat the US to the punch when it comes to developing the cutting edge technology that will allow them to capture the emerging market in renewable energy. I don't.

 

[BluesLegend]

Green energy has always been more expensive than traditional fuels. Which is why the industry wouldn't exist without extensive gov't subsidies. Those subsidies cost taxpayers real money and distort the market for energy. Wind power has been subsidized since the 1980s (maybe more)..
Especially now with oil prices plunging due to increased production (take that, you "we're running out of oil" milquetoasts) the difference between green and traditional energy is even more.
Time to pull the plug on this expensive waste of taxpayer resource.

Question: Are green energy subsidies funded by taxes on oil, gas, and coal? Irony, Government encourages increase in oil, gas, and coal production to fund green energy. lol

 

[kiwiman127]

Yeah, what a great idea Rabbi!
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Yup, I think this country should go backwards and go with ancient technology. Let's not move forward to make a better life of us, our children and our future generations!
This is what it means to "take our country back"?

So are you in favor of wasteful corporate welfare to green energy producers or not? I can't tell from your garble.

That "garble" was simplistic enough that a grade schooler could figure it out.
And yeah, we should invest in energy technology research for the long-term welfare of our country's citizens.

Well that wasnt really my question. So I guess you need to find a grade schooler to help you with my posts.

The US subsidizes wind power for example in the billions every year. They siubsidize ethanol as well btw in a variety fo ways.
With cheaper traditional fuel the gap in cost will get bigger and bigger. Should we continue to subsidize green energy when the money could be better spent on other things. Like making sure we have a military capable of fighting wars.

Considering the military (Pentagon) is a cesspool of waste, why not monitor the spending? That would conserve spending that's wasted.
Military Waste and Fraud Are the Main Cause of Our Problems
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15 Facts About Military Spending That Will Blow Your Mind
Read more: 15 Facts About Military Spending That Will Blow Your Mind - Business Insider
Special Report: The Pentagon's doctored ledgers conceal epic waste
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Have any ideas that make any sense at all?

 

[The Rabbi]

Let's turn every road into a toll road. I mean, why are our taxes going to pay for the paving and upkeep of roads we never drive on. Let's see what happens when people have to pay directly to get their streets paved.

How is that even relevant to the OP?
Do you support subsidies for green power or not?

I absolutely and enthusiastically and wholeheartedly support subsidies for green power. Perhaps you want to see the Chinese and the Germans beat the US to the punch when it comes to developing the cutting edge technology that will allow them to capture the emerging market in renewable energy. I don't.

OK, that's one vote for corporate welfare.
Thank you for your honesty, sir.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yeah, what a great idea Rabbi!
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Yup, I think this country should go backwards and go with ancient technology. Let's not move forward to make a better life of us, our children and our future generations!
This is what it means to "take our country back"?

So are you in favor of wasteful corporate welfare to green energy producers or not? I can't tell from your garble.

That "garble" was simplistic enough that a grade schooler could figure it out.
And yeah, we should invest in energy technology research for the long-term welfare of our country's citizens.

Well that wasnt really my question. So I guess you need to find a grade schooler to help you with my posts.

The US subsidizes wind power for example in the billions every year. They siubsidize ethanol as well btw in a variety fo ways.
With cheaper traditional fuel the gap in cost will get bigger and bigger. Should we continue to subsidize green energy when the money could be better spent on other things. Like making sure we have a military capable of fighting wars.

Considering the military (Pentagon) is a cesspool of waste, why not monitor the spending? That would conserve spending that's wasted.
Military Waste and Fraud Are the Main Cause of Our Problems
Military Waste and Fraud Are the Main Cause of Our Problems The Big Picture
15 Facts About Military Spending That Will Blow Your Mind
Read more: 15 Facts About Military Spending That Will Blow Your Mind - Business Insider
Special Report: The Pentagon's doctored ledgers conceal epic waste
Special Report The Pentagon s doctored ledgers conceal epic waste Reuters
Have any ideas that make any sense at all?

MIlitary spending is the lowest as a percent of GDP in decades.
BUt even so. Is there something that makes you incapable of replying to a topic with opinions and material actually germane to it?

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Fine, lets end them for oil companies too.

I notice that you failed to provide actual figures.

What subsdies do oil companies get? Yeah, none. They are big contributors to federal and state treasuries.

Both Democrats and Republicans have widely applied the term "subsidy" to tax breaks. We think it’s semantic hair-splitting to argue the term is being improperly applied. While it may not involve the sending of a U.S. Treasury check to a company, a tax break has the same practical impact, allowing a company to hold onto money it might otherwise pay in taxes.

Defenders of the oil industry tax breaks, like Hufbauer, may argue that "Uncle Sam shouldn’t be picking winners and losers through the tax code," but that practice is undeniably widespread. A federal tax deduction for mortgage interest subsidizes homeownership. A recently expired ethanol tax credit subsidized corn growers. And the tax breaks that Obama targeted for things like "drilling costs" and "tertiary injectants" specifically subsidize the oil industry. If they did not, why would the industry’s trade association vigorously protest their proposed elimination?

Bill Johnson says subsidies for the oil companies that Barack Obama has attacked don t exist PolitiFact Ohio

 

[Mustang]

Let's turn every road into a toll road. I mean, why are our taxes going to pay for the paving and upkeep of roads we never drive on. Let's see what happens when people have to pay directly to get their streets paved.

How is that even relevant to the OP?
Do you support subsidies for green power or not?

I absolutely and enthusiastically and wholeheartedly support subsidies for green power. Perhaps you want to see the Chinese and the Germans beat the US to the punch when it comes to developing the cutting edge technology that will allow them to capture the emerging market in renewable energy. I don't.

OK, that's one vote for corporate welfare.
Thank you for your honesty, sir.

What conservatives know about economics wouldn't fill a thimble since the gov't has a LONG history of subsidizing emerging technologies. Acquaint yourself with the railroads, the Interstate transit system, and the running of power lines and telephone poles.

 

[The Rabbi]

Let's turn every road into a toll road. I mean, why are our taxes going to pay for the paving and upkeep of roads we never drive on. Let's see what happens when people have to pay directly to get their streets paved.

How is that even relevant to the OP?
Do you support subsidies for green power or not?

I absolutely and enthusiastically and wholeheartedly support subsidies for green power. Perhaps you want to see the Chinese and the Germans beat the US to the punch when it comes to developing the cutting edge technology that will allow them to capture the emerging market in renewable energy. I don't.

OK, that's one vote for corporate welfare.
Thank you for your honesty, sir.

What conservatives know about economics wouldn't fill a thimble since the gov't has a LONG history of subsidizing emerging technologies. Acquaint yourself with the railroads, the Interstate transit system, and the running of power lines and telephone poles.

You telling anyone they lack knowledge of economics is hystrical. Especially given the content of your post.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Under a true free market there are no subsidies or market barriers. Green energy subsidies are what help the US become more energy independent, and fund renewable energy sources. They are more beneficial than subsides to fossil fuels, which will run out by the end of the century. If America gets rid of any subsidies however, agriculture subsidies and oil subsidies cost America the most.

THe fracking revolution has done far more than decades of green energy subsidies to make America energy indepedent.

You base of your facts about ANYTHING on talking head poppycock.

You still fail to produce any facts.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

You telling anyone they lack knowledge of economics is hystrical. Especially given the content of your post.

^^^ Yet again - no refutation of the facts, just endless insults and taunts.

 

[The Rabbi]

You telling anyone they lack knowledge of economics is hystrical. Especially given the content of your post.

^^^ Yet again - no refutation of the facts, just endless insults and taunts.

You probably need to STFU and go away.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fine, lets end them for oil companies too.

I notice that you failed to provide actual figures.

What subsdies do oil companies get? Yeah, none. They are big contributors to federal and state treasuries.

Both Democrats and Republicans have widely applied the term "subsidy" to tax breaks. We think it’s semantic hair-splitting to argue the term is being improperly applied. While it may not involve the sending of a U.S. Treasury check to a company, a tax break has the same practical impact, allowing a company to hold onto money it might otherwise pay in taxes.

Defenders of the oil industry tax breaks, like Hufbauer, may argue that "Uncle Sam shouldn’t be picking winners and losers through the tax code," but that practice is undeniably widespread. A federal tax deduction for mortgage interest subsidizes homeownership. A recently expired ethanol tax credit subsidized corn growers. And the tax breaks that Obama targeted for things like "drilling costs" and "tertiary injectants" specifically subsidize the oil industry. If they did not, why would the industry’s trade association vigorously protest their proposed elimination?

Bill Johnson says subsidies for the oil companies that Barack Obama has attacked don t exist PolitiFact Ohio

And the tax breaks that Obama targeted for things like "drilling costs" and "tertiary injectants" specifically subsidize the oil industry.

All businesses get to write off business expenses. That's not a subsidy.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

You telling anyone they lack knowledge of economics is hystrical. Especially given the content of your post.

^^^ Yet again - no refutation of the facts, just endless insults and taunts.

You probably need to STFU and go away.

No, sorry, I feel the need to refute your nonsense and set the record straight.

What are these "subsidies" that you speak so emphatically about with regards to green energy?

Let's hear it.